Re: Gordon on Schumacher

On Sat, 27 May 2000 21:26:32 GMT, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Not an another one?? -That was in an open wheeler, NOT a tin-top. > >Jan. They race open wheelers on oval tracks, Jan. hth

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>rrevved wrote... >> <snip> how F1 drivers would have >> >been on an oval track...... >> >> Nigel Mansell did pretty well.. ;) >> >

On Sat, 27 May 2000 11:22:47 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > if you want to stir >things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have >been on an oval track...... Nigel Mansell did pretty well.. ;)

Nigel Mansell. Nuff said. Chris -- -------------------------------------------------- http://www.the.saints.btinternet.co.uk Goy Larsen wrote in message <[email hidden]>... | | |David G Fisher wrote: |> |> This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again. :-) | |Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that, |especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC |at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or |3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir |things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have |been on an oval track...... | | |Beers and cheers |(uncle) Goy | |"Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ |"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ | |* Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * |"Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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> > Well put, Scott, F1 drivers are fantastic at what they do, but take away the > wings, the wide tires, and strap on another 1500 lbs. of ballast, and let's > see how well they get around.....Gordon, Wallace, Rudd, or any of the other > WC roadracers would be fun to watch in an F1 car, as well. > My $.02 >

Probably just as fun to watch would be seeing some of these WC drivers trying to get in an F1 car, let alone drive it :-)

LOL No kidding! There are some 'petite' NASCAR drivers though. Mark Martin is a very small guy, although in extremely good physical condition. I don't think Jeff Gordon is a big guy either. (Hell, his voice hasn't even begun to change yet! <G>). Guys like Spencer, M. Waltrip, etc would not be good candidates. Like myself, who couldn't get into an open wheel car if they had a giant shoe horn and 100lbs of Crisco <VBG> -- Scott B. Husted ICQ #4395450 Editor in Chief PowerSims.com Pat R. Empleo <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Edward White wrote: > > > > Well put, Scott, F1 drivers are fantastic at what they do, but take away the > > wings, the wide tires, and strap on another 1500 lbs. of ballast, and let's > > see how well they get around.....Gordon, Wallace, Rudd, or any of the other > > WC roadracers would be fun to watch in an F1 car, as well. > > My $.02 > > > > Probably just as fun to watch would be seeing some of these WC drivers > trying to get in an F1 car, let alone drive it :-)

This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again. :-) Fom USA Today: Gordon, incidentally, has become NASCAR's dominant road racer, winning the last five in a row. ''But,'' he says with a chuckle, ''that doesn't mean if you bring (Formula One star) Michael Schumacher over here and put him in a stock car, I could keep up with him.'' David G Fisher

I should of linked to the entire article which is entitled, "Jeff Gordon blames CART's woes on closed-door society". http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20000526/2303778s.htm David G Fisher

David G Fisher wrote: > > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again. :-) Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that, especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have been on an oval track...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Goy Larsen wrote: (snipped) >if you want to stir things up, you need to start talking about how F1drivers would have been on an oval track...... I for one wish that modern F1 drivers would try some oval racing. I love watching old clips of Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Surtees and many others at Indy. These guys were responsible for significant advances in US open wheel racing and were very successful. If these legends didn't turn up their noses at oval tracks, why do modern F1 drivers do so?

Goy, Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston Cup road course drivers. Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car. That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers. I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses. <G> Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again. :-) > > Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that, > especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC > at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or > 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir > things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have > been on an oval track...... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Scott B. Husted" wrote:

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> > Goy, > > Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled > road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston > Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston > Cup road course drivers. Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE > difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car. > > That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers. > I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses. > <G>

Quitters are not allowed to voice their opinions, WIMP !!! :-))) The reason why F1 drivers are so good is because they can adapt to almost any car or track, that's why they are where they are today, that's not to say the MS (hate his guts) would beat *any* WC driver without any prior testing at any given track, but I bet it wouldn't take MS (hate his guts) too many laps to be right on pace, and probably well above it too.... But then again, even MS (hate his guts) is susceptible to driver preferences, and he could find it hard to get the car set up they way he wanted it, but having seen MS (hate his guts) at the Paris-Bercy (sp) kart races, I would be very surprised if that was the case Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

"Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8goe23$i7h$[email hidden]... > > I for one wish that modern F1 drivers would try some oval racing. I love > watching old clips of Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Surtees and many others at > Indy. These guys were responsible for significant advances in US openwheel > racing and were very successful. If these legends didn't turn up their > noses at oval tracks, why do modern F1 drivers do so? > Modern F1 drivers are major corporate entities in their own right. Their time is very much taken up with developement, practise, public appearances, promotional outings, business meeting ,etc. They really don't have the extra time the heroes of old did to try other stuff. Also they generally have clauses in their driving contracts that prohibit them from taking part in other series. David

Goy Larsen wrote:

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> > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again. :-) > > Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that, > especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC > at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or > 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir > things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have > been on an oval track...... > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy

This is what the original IROC series was about. Mixed drivers on mixed courses, road and ovals. It is a REAL REAL REAL shame that IROC now is nothing more than a Nascar support class. dave henrie

I think I'm going form a union to get that damn server setup right! <VBG> Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Quitters are not allowed to voice their opinions, WIMP !!! :-)))

Dave Henrie wrote: > > This is what the original IROC series was about. Mixed drivers on > mixed courses, road and ovals. It is a REAL REAL REAL shame that > IROC now is nothing more than a Nascar support class. I don't know the IROC series, but isn't that much the same as Fixed setups in Nx, you're not allowed to change *anything* ? And by doing it like that, some guys will actually like the setup, and some will loathe it, in the Paris-Bercy (sp) kart races, everyone uses identical karts, but they are allowed some small mods to the karts to fine tune the handling a bit, tire pressures and such, but you're not allowed to change the chassis or engine, so if anyone could come up with something similar, and the IROC series might be the best starting point for something like this, I think it could be really great Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Well put, Scott, F1 drivers are fantastic at what they do, but take away the wings, the wide tires, and strap on another 1500 lbs. of ballast, and let's see how well they get around.....Gordon, Wallace, Rudd, or any of the other WC roadracers would be fun to watch in an F1 car, as well. My $.02 -- Ed White Go Rusty and Dale! [email hidden] Scott B. Husted <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xLPX4.986$[email hidden]... > Goy, > > Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled > road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston > Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston > Cup road course drivers. Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE > difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car. > > That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers. > I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses. > <G> > > Scott > PA-Scott > PowerSims.com > > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > > > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again. :-) > > > > Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that, > > especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC > > at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or > > 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir > > things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have > > been on an oval track...... > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com > >

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > I think I'm going form a union to get that damn server setup right! <VBG> Uh oh, hell just froze !!! What is your problem btw, I use Netscape and there's a setting to remove messages older than xx number of days, I use 5, and it's not unmanageable, I'm sure there's something similar in Outlook ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

A few modern F1 drivers have (some before they reached F1, most after they left F1) such as J. Villeneuve, A. Zanardi, Mark Blundel, Christian Fittipaldi, Jan Magnusson, Nigel Mansell, ... I expect Juan Pablo Montoya to be in F1 by 2001/2. It would be interesting if a few tried it while they were in F1. It's just that most F1 drivers only drive one series at a time (hardly see any current drivers trying touring cars or Lemans). Probably a result of their contracts, amount of testing, setup work, and practice that goes on in any of these series. Brian "Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8goe23$i7h$[email hidden]...

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > (snipped) > >if you want to stir things up, you need to start talking about how F1 > drivers would have been on an oval track...... > > I for one wish that modern F1 drivers would try some oval racing. I love > watching old clips of Jim Clark, Graham Hill, Surtees and many others at > Indy. These guys were responsible for significant advances in US open

wheel > racing and were very successful. If these legends didn't turn up their > noses at oval tracks, why do modern F1 drivers do so? > >

Goy, I honestly don't know. I have Outlook setup to delete messages 5 days after they are downloaded. Well, Jacobs never disappear <G> With 45,000 headers, the compacting of the folder sometimes locks up my Outlook. Closing down Outlook sometimes takes 5 minutes when Ive read his newsgroup. It not only happens at my home pc, but it happens on my work PC as well which is a 1 week old PC <VBG> N3.discussion is the only newsgroup I have problems with. Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com

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> > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > > Goy, > > > > Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled > > road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston > > Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston > > Cup road course drivers. Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE > > difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car. > > > > That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers. > > I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses. > > <G> > > Quitters are not allowed to voice their opinions, WIMP !!! :-))) > > The reason why F1 drivers are so good is because they can adapt to > almost any car or track, that's why they are where they are today, > that's not to say the MS (hate his guts) would beat *any* WC driver > without any prior testing at any given track, but I bet it wouldn't take > MS (hate his guts) too many laps to be right on pace, and probably well > above it too.... > > But then again, even MS (hate his guts) is susceptible to driver > preferences, and he could find it hard to get the car set up they way he > wanted it, but having seen MS (hate his guts) at the Paris-Bercy (sp) > kart races, I would be very surprised if that was the case >

BTW Goy, how do you feel about MS? Like, dislike or neutral? ;-)) -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons From the song "War Machine", 1982

Right... and how many Winston Cup races did he win again? Jan. =--- Chris <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gon34$9c4$[email hidden]...

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> Nigel Mansell. > > Nuff said. > > Chris > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > <Snip>

On Sat, 27 May 2000 13:06:37 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Goy, > >Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the most skilled >road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in a Winston >Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCAR Winston >Cup road course drivers. Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE >difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car. > >That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers. >I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on road courses. ><G>

I'd be more interested in seeing NASROC (formerly IROC) race at Brands Hatch or Spa,Belgium in the rain.... with F1 stars and NASCAR stars. Now that would be entertaining! ----------- "My dispute is with the IRL. I will not support the IRL because I think that's what has disrupted open-wheel racing in America for us. I mean, we are pulling in different directions and that doesn't make sense." -- Mario Andretti, May 2000 Juan Montoya tells the truth about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway http://espn.go.com/media/2000/q2/car_000517jm1a.wav Oval racing is 98% engineering and 2% driver talent. Al Unser Jr: The Indy Retirement League Poster-Boy http://www.speedcenter.com/gallery/gallery98/13midohio/need_an_ashtray_here480.jpg

what kind of cars? Sports Cars, all Porsche GT2's? Speedy Fast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 27 May 2000 13:06:37 GMT, "Scott B. Husted" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Goy, > > > >Although I believe F1 drivers are at the top of the list of the mostskilled > >road course racers in the world, Im not so sure they could jump in aWinston > >Cup Stock Car and beat the Gordon or some of the other good NASCARWinston > >Cup road course drivers. Driving a WC Car around a road course is a HUGE > >difference than an F1 or any other type of open wheel car. > > > >That does not mean I am saying the WC guys are better road course racers. > >I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on roadcourses.

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> ><G> > > > I'd be more interested in seeing NASROC (formerly IROC) race at Brands > Hatch or Spa,Belgium in the rain.... with F1 stars and NASCAR stars. > Now that would be entertaining! > > > ----------- > "My dispute is with the IRL. I will not support the IRL because I think

that's > what has disrupted open-wheel racing in America for us. I mean, we arepulling

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> in different directions and that doesn't make sense." > -- Mario Andretti, May 2000 > > Juan Montoya tells the truth about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway > http://espn.go.com/media/2000/q2/car_000517jm1a.wav > Oval racing is 98% engineering and 2% driver talent. > > Al Unser Jr: The Indy Retirement League Poster-Boy >

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Not an another one?? -That was in an open wheeler, NOT a tin-top. Jan. =--- rrevved wrote... > <snip> how F1 drivers would have > >been on an oval track...... > > Nigel Mansell did pretty well.. ;) >

> I'd be more interested in seeing NASROC (formerly IROC) race at Brands > Hatch or Spa,Belgium in the rain.... with F1 stars and NASCAR stars. > Now that would be entertaining! > Well in the old days of IROC on F1 driver tried Lauda. Needless to say on raod courses Niki did not do well in the big heavy Banjo Mathews Camaros. Dave

One word....MANSELL. he went oval racing (admitedly in a CART, but it was a very different car to a 92 F1) and kicked everyone's butt. Won his first pole, won his first race, nearly won Indy, won short ovals, won on the big ones! F1 drivers are in F1 because it is the pinnacle of motorsport. If CART was the pinnacle, or WC, then the best would be there. The F1 champion is the only WORLD CHAMPION!!!! Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > This might get the NASCAR vs. F1 debate rolling again. :-) > > Not a chance, even the most hadcore Nascar fans would admit to that, > especially since they'd rather there wasn't any road courses in the WC > at all, I'd expect most current F1 drivers, including those lapped 2 or > 3 times, to do well at Sears or Glen in Nascar, if you want to stir > things up, you need to start talking about how F1 drivers would have > been on an oval track...... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

>The F1 champion is >the only WORLD CHAMPION!!!! I'm sure Earnhardt, Junior, and Gordon would all bump those F1 guys around at Talladega. It'd be interesting to watch F1 guys try to race 3 or 4 wide. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

Chuck Kandler wrote: > > Goy Larsen wrote:snip

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> > that's not to say the MS (hate his guts) would beat *any* WC driver > > without any prior testing at any given track, but I bet it wouldn't take > > MS (hate his guts) too many laps to be right on pace, and probably well > > above it too.... > > > > But then again, even MS (hate his guts) is susceptible to driver > > preferences, and he could find it hard to get the car set up they way he > > wanted it, but having seen MS (hate his guts) at the Paris-Bercy (sp) > > kart races, I would be very surprised if that was the case > > > > BTW Goy, how do you feel about MS? Like, dislike or neutral? ;-))

Same thing as with Jeff Gordon. If you're (one of) the best, there are lots of loonies who will hate your guts... ;) -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

> I'm just saying they are better at driving Winston Cup cars on roadcourses. from www.irocracing.com history section: "IROC began a new era in its history with the introduction of Dodge Daytonas as the vehicles of choice in 1990. The three-event series began with an outstanding race at Talladega Superspeedway, which saw Dale Earnhardt win despite 15 lead changes among five drivers. International road racer Martin Brundle, who impressed everyone with a fifth place at Talladega in his IROC and oval-track debut, came back to win Race 2 on the airport road course in Cleveland. He therefore became the first non-United States driver to lead the point standings going into an IROC finale. Brundle started on the pole at Michigan, but his chance of victory was over after he and Rusty Wallace touched during tight racing. Earnhardt took command on the first lap and fended off all challenges to claim his first IROC crown and $175,000." I watched the Cleveland race on TV and Brundle dominated this road race. The in-car camera showed his feet dancing over the brake pedal tapping as he used the brake to steer the stocker into the turns. I think F1 drivers can adapt to stock cars much easier than stock car drivers could adapt to an F1 car. It's a shame that IROC no longer provides anything close to an even chance for non-NASCAR drivers. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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> > Dave Henrie wrote: > > > > This is what the original IROC series was about. Mixed drivers on > > mixed courses, road and ovals. It is a REAL REAL REAL shame that > > IROC now is nothing more than a Nascar support class. > > I don't know the IROC series, but isn't that much the same as Fixed > setups in Nx, you're not allowed to change *anything* ? >

IROC used to stand for International Race of Champions. Now it stands for get out of Dale'Earnhardt's way while he's drafting. The cars are all identically prepared, waaaay back they used Porche 911's but now it is Pontiac Firebirds. (mini winston cup cars) They would run road courses and ovals so that both types of drivers stood a chance. Trouble was...the oval boys were awful on the road courses and the right turn racers could figure out the ovals fairly well. So the "drivers" had a-lot more sucess than the oval guys. Back then, Al Unser Sr. and Jr. did quite well, now it's Mark Martin or Dale E... dave henrie

Yes, of course, but we're talking 'bout how F1 drivers would do on ovals in NASCAR, not CART. Talking 'bout Mansell in CART is relavant as to the adaptability of F1 drivers to other racing series, but it doesn't prove anything here. Futhermore, and in all fairness, it wasn't that big a jump in terms of car, now was it? Jan. =--- rrevved wrote... > <snip> > They race open wheelers on oval tracks, Jan. > > hth > >

In article <8grlbp$rrn$[email hidden]>, "raja" <[email hidden]> writes: >One word....MANSELL. he went oval racing (admitedly in a CART, but it was a >very different car to a 92 F1) and kicked everyone's butt. Won his first >pole, won his first race, nearly won Indy, won short ovals, won on the big >ones! F1 drivers are in F1 because it is the pinnacle of motorsport. If CART >was the pinnacle, or WC, then the best would be there. The F1 champion is >the only WORLD CHAMPION!!!! Considering that there are so many international drivers in CART and IRL, F1 isn't really the only series you could say that about...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Chuck Kandler wrote: > > BTW Goy, how do you feel about MS? Like, dislike or neutral? ;-)) I don't think he's a valid F1 driver :-))) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Ronald Stoehr wrote: > > Same thing as with Jeff Gordon. If you're (one of) the best, there are > lots > of loonies who will hate your guts... ;) Nope, nothing to with that, honest, I used to be a big fan of MS (hate his guts) in his early days in F1, my dislike for him started during the 94 season..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Why do you hate my guts GOY ;-) MS

Probably a result of their > contracts, amount of testing, setup work, and practice that goes on in any > of these series. Add to this the amount of corporate and commercial appearances they have to do these days. I read recently that David Coulthard had to do 147 days of promotional work for manufacturers and sponsors last year MS

Why do you hate my guts GOY ;-) MS

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> that's not to say the MS (hate his guts) would beat *any* WC driver > MS (hate his guts) too many laps to be right on pace, and probably well > above it too.... > > But then again, even MS (hate his guts) is susceptible to driver > wanted it, but having seen MS (hate his guts) at the Paris-Bercy (sp)

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>In article <8grlbp$rrn$[email hidden]>, "raja" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>One word....MANSELL. he went oval racing (admitedly in a CART, but >>it was a very different car to a 92 F1) and kicked everyone's butt. >>Won his first pole, won his first race, nearly won Indy, won short >>ovals, won on the big ones! F1 drivers are in F1 because it is the >>pinnacle of motorsport. If CART was the pinnacle, or WC, then the >>best would be there. The F1 champion is the only WORLD CHAMPION!!!!

I'm jumping in late so excuse me if someones already said it, but, World Rally Championship drivers, are THE BEST drivers in the world. So that would make Tommi Makinen THE MAN. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

"m.seery" wrote: > > Why do you hate my guts GOY ;-) > > MS Talk about unfortunate initials :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Nothing wrong with the initials mate. I had my trainer wheels off my bike when he was still cradle cuddling ;) MS (1964 vintage) "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "m.seery" wrote: > > > > Why do you hate my guts GOY ;-) > > > > MS > > Talk about unfortunate initials :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

They're not the best, but definitely the craziest !!!!!!!!! :) Ian P Don Scurlock wrote

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> I'm jumping in late so excuse me if someones already said it, but, > World Rally Championship drivers, are THE BEST drivers in the world. > So that would make Tommi Makinen THE MAN. > > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C.

"m.seery" wrote: > > Nothing wrong with the initials mate. > > I had my trainer wheels off my bike when he was still cradle cuddling ;) > > MS (1964 vintage) You old fart ! :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy (1965 vintage) "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com