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Re: Did anyone see Grand Prix?

35 posts by 25 people · 28 May 2000 - 02 Jun 2000

Watching the film Grand Prix on Speedvision

Members discussed John Frankenheimer's 1966 film Grand Prix after a Speedvision showing, debating the ending, which character was based on Jackie Stewart, and the deleted race footage. Many wished for a director's cut on DVD.

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Graeme Nash 28 May 2000#267086
>And why Jean Pierre???? But you knew he was going to get it the second he said he was going to retire :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash
Woodie 83 28 May 2000#267106
In article <Hg8Y4.8843$[email hidden]>, "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> writes: >Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving, a >bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back of the >car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right >into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to the >track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree >branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) What? No "SPOILER" in the subject line? :-) Don McCorkle
TRUSRS85 28 May 2000#267110
Quoted text (8 lines)> >Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving, a >bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back of the >car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right >into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to the >track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree >branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) >
I saw it twice last night. Great movie!! I fell asleep when the actors tried to act, but the sounds of the engine immediately woke me up for the racing scenes lol
don hodgdon 28 May 2000#267111
"Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Hg8Y4.8843$[email hidden]... > Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving,a > bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back ofthe
Quoted text (8 lines)> car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right > into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to the > track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree > branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) > > Thanks, > Alex >
Damn...and I thought the butler did it.<g> -- don New GPL Program Covers for Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.clara.co.uk/clara.net/i/a/n/ianparker1/webspace/gpl/
Alex Kihurani 28 May 2000 12:27 UTC#267103
Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving, a bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back of the car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to the track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) Thanks, Alex
Jan Verschueren 28 May 2000 14:55 UTC#267107
Yeah... just like the time they gave the ending for "Titanic" away on this forum. ;-)) Jan. =--- Woodie 83 wrote...
Quoted text (8 lines)> In article <Hg8Y4.8843$[email hidden]>, > "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> writes: > <snip> > What? No "SPOILER" in the subject line? :-) > > > Don McCorkle >
John Tomlinson 28 May 2000 16:48 UTC#267050
You see Jean Pierre's teammate(Bandolini?) sit up in the seat and turn around to see who it was? And why Jean Pierre???? Shoulda killed Scott damnit. What an ending that woulda been for Jean to make up the 30 seconds and win the the championship. TRUSRS85 <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > >Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving,a > >bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back ofthe > >car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right > >into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls tothe
Quoted text (8 lines)> >track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree > >branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) > > > > I saw it twice last night. Great movie!! > I fell asleep when the actors tried to act, but the sounds of the engine > immediately woke me up for the racing scenes > lol
Dave Henrie 28 May 2000 18:01 UTC#267060
The thing I noticed, this time, was how at Spa the wind was pretty much sounding just like GPL(ha! worked it in!) Pretty good for a movie to know what a sim would sound like 25 years later huh? dave henrie Alex Kihurani wrote:
Quoted text (10 lines)> > Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving, a > bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back of the > car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right > into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to the > track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree > branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) > > Thanks, > Alex
m.seery 28 May 2000 20:32 UTC#267081
GOD DAMMIT I wish people would put spoiler in the heading when these race reports are posted in thes NG ;0 MS "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Hg8Y4.8843$[email hidden]... > Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving,a > bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back ofthe
Quoted text (9 lines)> car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right > into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to the > track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree > branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) > > Thanks, > Alex > >
m.seery 28 May 2000 20:34 UTC#267083
Someone beat me to it <G> I'll have to get into the habit of scrolling down threads before posting MS "Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <Hg8Y4.8843$[email hidden]>, > "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving,a > >bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back ofthe > >car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right > >into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls tothe
Quoted text (8 lines)> >track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree > >branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) > > What? No "SPOILER" in the subject line? :-) > > > Don McCorkle >
ok the reason why they didnt kill scott was cause. Scott was jakie stewart. (i think) i might have to thnk twice but thats my final answer. And im sure jakie stewart Wouldnt allow himself to die in the movie. Here are the clues that scott was acted as jakie stewart. (1) Both drove BRMS (2) Both had same # (3) looked the same (obvioulsly) and final (4) both wore same helmet. NOW i can be way wrong. ;-) so im not saying its the truth. ---------------------------------------------------- http://Swtwok.00game.com
Quoted text (21 lines)>ok the reason why they didnt kill scott was cause. Scott was jakie stewart. >(i >think) i might have to thnk twice but thats my final answer. > >And im sure jakie stewart Wouldnt allow himself to die in the movie. >Here are the clues that scott was acted as jakie stewart. >(1) Both drove BRMS >(2) Both had same # >(3) looked the same (obvioulsly) >and final >(4) both wore same helmet. > > >NOW i can be way wrong. ;-) so im not saying its the truth. > >---------------------------------------------------- > >http://Swtwok.00game.com > > >
opps forgot that jakies stewarts name was Jakie "the flying scott" Stewart And i respect stewart. :-) .
Alex Kihurani <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Hg8Y4.8843$[email hidden]... > Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving,a > bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back ofthe
Quoted text (7 lines)> car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right > into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to the > track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree > branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) > > Thanks, > Alex
Surely you should have put SPOILER before this post, because now all of us know the result - bummer ;-)
Sorry. :-( I got most of this information off a web site and this webmaster does make mistakes that "Jacki" was it? that was my fault. Plus since i got this froma website they spelt "Scot" as "SCOTT". and if you want to yell at them http://f1movies.cjb.net/ Yell at them. :-) ---------------------------------------------------------- Http:/swtwok.00game.com >eez, if you respect him that much, at least get his name right. It's >JACKIE not jakie. And he's from Scotland, which makes him a "Scot" >not a "scott". >
Richard "ZZ" Busch 29 May 2000 01:09 UTC#267003
Quoted text (7 lines)> Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good driving, a > bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back of the > car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runs right > into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to the > track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree > branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) >
Oh man, now you've ruined it for me. :-) -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Official member: Screamers Racing League Sim Racing Mag Honda Challenge Sim Racing Mag F2 Ferrari ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans?, Oh, you mean that napkin sketch?
Timothy Moran 29 May 2000 02:05 UTC#267009
At Spa, did anyone else notice that Malmedy was less steep/difficult than in GPL? THM m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LweY4.1976$%[email hidden]...
Quoted text (11 lines)> Someone beat me to it <G> > > I'll have to get into the habit of scrolling down threads before posting > > MS > "Woodie 83" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <Hg8Y4.8843$[email hidden]>, > > "Alex Kihurani" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? Pretty good
driving, > a > > >bit nasty at the end, but still, a neat movie. (A part from the back of > the > > >car from I think the BRM or Brabraham, hit John Pierre and he runsright
Quoted text (12 lines)> > >into the wall at the banking at Monza, breaks through it, and falls to > the > > >track below, but he dosn't have a seatbelt, so he gets stabbed by tree > > >branches and he's all bloddy and stuff, his car blows up, and he dies) > > > > What? No "SPOILER" in the subject line? :-) > > > > > > Don McCorkle > > > >
rob 29 May 2000 03:36 UTC#266986
[email hidden] (Tony StewartNo20) wrote:
Quoted text (26 lines)>>ok the reason why they didnt kill scott was cause. Scott was jakie stewart. >>(i >>think) i might have to thnk twice but thats my final answer. >> >>And im sure jakie stewart Wouldnt allow himself to die in the movie. >>Here are the clues that scott was acted as jakie stewart. >>(1) Both drove BRMS >>(2) Both had same # >>(3) looked the same (obvioulsly) >>and final >>(4) both wore same helmet. >> >> >>NOW i can be way wrong. ;-) so im not saying its the truth. >> >>---------------------------------------------------- >> >>http://Swtwok.00game.com >> >> >> > >opps forgot that jakies stewarts name was >Jakie "the flying scott" Stewart > >And i respect stewart. :-) .
Jeez, if you respect him that much, at least get his name right. It's JACKIE not jakie. And he's from Scotland, which makes him a "Scot" not a "scott".
Todd Walker 29 May 2000 06:10 UTC#266891
If you listened to the part at the end when Bruce Dern was interviewing John Frankenheimer (the director,) Frankenheimer said that he didn't realize that the audience would be so sympathetic to Sarti. He also said that in his haste to edit the movie, he removed some of the scenes that would have made the audience more sympathetic toward Pete Aron and make him a more likeable character. He all but said that if he had to do it over again, Sarti would not have died. TW On 29 May 2000 02:19:30 GMT, [email hidden] (Tony StewartNo20) wrote:
Quoted text (17 lines)>ok the reason why they didnt kill scott was cause. Scott was jakie stewart. (i >think) i might have to thnk twice but thats my final answer. > >And im sure jakie stewart Wouldnt allow himself to die in the movie. >Here are the clues that scott was acted as jakie stewart. >(1) Both drove BRMS >(2) Both had same # >(3) looked the same (obvioulsly) >and final >(4) both wore same helmet. > > >NOW i can be way wrong. ;-) so im not saying its the truth. > >---------------------------------------------------- > >http://Swtwok.00game.com
Todd Walker twalker294 at earthlink.net
Gault 29 May 2000 10:28 UTC#266928
Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (7 lines)> If you listened to the part at the end when Bruce Dern was > interviewing John Frankenheimer (the director,) Frankenheimer said > that he didn't realize that the audience would be so sympathetic to > Sarti. He also said that in his haste to edit the movie, he removed > some of the scenes that would have made the audience more sympathetic > toward Pete Aron and make him a more likeable character. He all but > said that if he had to do it over again, Sarti would not have died.
I wonder if the footage still exists. Although I imagine there would be little financial incentive for the producer, I'd love to see a modern director's cut.
m.seery 29 May 2000#525442
Actually, it's John Young. Not Jackie at all! MS
m.seery 29 May 2000 13:41 UTC#266847
Actually, it's John Young. Not Jackie at all! MS > Jeez, if you respect him that much, at least get his name right. It's > JACKIE not jakie> >
In article <3AtY4.2731$%[email hidden]>, m.seery <[email hidden]> writes >Actually, it's John Young. Not Jackie at all! > Looking through some old South African GP programmes, I notice that they list Stewart's country of origin as "Scotland"; whereas these days I would imagine that Coulthard gets listed as "British". Was this just an anomaly of the South African programme editors? If not, when did this practice end? -- Russell Whitworth (an Englishman living in Scotland) - If you need my email address, you'll have to visit my website (sorry) - - Home ==> http://www.anchorag.demon.co.uk/ - - Work ==> http://www.questus.co.uk/ -
Chris Cavin 30 May 2000#266594
> At Spa, did anyone else notice that Malmedy was less > steep/difficult than in GPL? > > THM Yes, I've noticed that. -Chris- Long, long, LOOOONG ago: 1984 GPz 750 Long, long ago: 1989 ZX-10 Only a little long ago: 1992 ZX-7 Darn near yesterday: 1998 ZX-9 Currently riding: 2000 CBR929RR Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
Chris Cavin 30 May 2000#266595
> Did anyone see Grand Prix on Speedvision last night? I've seen it many times. I own a wide-screen copy. :))) -Chris- Long, long, LOOOONG ago: 1984 GPz 750 Long, long ago: 1989 ZX-10 Only a little long ago: 1992 ZX-7 Darn near yesterday: 1998 ZX-9 Currently riding: 2000 CBR929RR Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
ymenard 30 May 2000 03:22 UTC#266725
"Gault" <[email hidden]> wrote > I wonder if the footage still exists. Although I imagine there would be > little financial incentive for the producer, I'd love to see a modern > director's cut. This movie SCREAMS for a DVD version. Criteron should jump and convince John to release a Director's cut of the movie, with additionnal race footage and deleted scenes (there is many of them). -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
Chris Bloom 30 May 2000 06:47 UTC#266703
I've always wondered where the Stewart came from. Must be a clan name I suppose. Chris In article <3AtY4.2731$%02.58589@news2- win.server.ntlworld.com>, "m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Actually, it's John Young. Not Jackie at all! > >MS >> Jeez, if you respect him that much, at least get his nameright. It's >> JACKIE not jakie> >> > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
David Masten 30 May 2000 10:47 UTC#266653
In article <VtGY4.8417$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >This movie SCREAMS for a DVD version. Criteron should jump and convince >John to release a Director's cut of the movie, with additionnal race footage >and deleted scenes (there is many of them). I'm with you! Also, then you could ffwd through the trivial bits, like the plot. Seriously, I'd buy it.
Chris Bloom 30 May 2000 17:17 UTC#266624
I realised that Jack(ie) came from John. I was under the impression that he adopted the "Stewart" from somewhere else. After all "Young" is a pretty unusual middle name. Chris In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No.....you're getting confused, Chris. > >His FULL name is "John Young Stewart". His two given namesare "John" and >"Young" and his family name is "Stewart". >The abbreviation or common contraction for John is "Jack" (thusthe pet-name
Quoted text (8 lines)>"Jackie"). > >-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >--------------------------- >
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Chris Bloom 30 May 2000 18:30 UTC#266545
Yeah now you mention it I have seen JYS mentioned before. Don't know what got that other idea into my head? Chris In article <c4TY4.674$up1.9578@news2- win.server.ntlworld.com>, "m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Chris. > >If you look at some of the articles written about or by the manhimself, you >will see his name abbreviated as JYS. His sir name isdefinately Steward. >Indeed, he had a racing brother (Jimmy) who also shared the name >(Obviously). > >Hope this clears things up. > >MS * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
m.seery 30 May 2000 18:42 UTC#266628
Chris. If you look at some of the articles written about or by the man himself, you will see his name abbreviated as JYS. His sir name is definately Steward. Indeed, he had a racing brother (Jimmy) who also shared the name (Obviously). Hope this clears things up. MS "Chris Bloom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (27 lines)> I realised that Jack(ie) came from John. I was under the > impression that he adopted the "Stewart" from somewhere else. > After all "Young" is a pretty unusual middle name. > > Chris > > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >No.....you're getting confused, Chris. > > > >His FULL name is "John Young Stewart". His two given names > are "John" and > >"Young" and his family name is "Stewart". > >The abbreviation or common contraction for John is "Jack" (thus > the pet-name > >"Jackie"). > > > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce Kennewell, > >Canberra, Australia. > >--------------------------- > > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network
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bernie eccle 30 May 2000 18:45 UTC#266553
Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message > I realised that Jack(ie) came from John. I was under the > impression that he adopted the "Stewart" from somewhere else. > After all "Young" is a pretty unusual middle name. > > Chris It is fairly common here in Scotland (and perhaps elsewhere) to have a middle name which refers to a relative's surname i.e. your own mother's maiden name. This way it allows a longstanding family name to live on when it would otherwise be lost. Cheers Stewart McNaughton
Quoted text (21 lines)> > In article <[email hidden]>, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > >No.....you're getting confused, Chris. > > > >His FULL name is "John Young Stewart". His two given names > are "John" and > >"Young" and his family name is "Stewart". > >The abbreviation or common contraction for John is "Jack" (thus > the pet-name > >"Jackie"). > > > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce Kennewell, > >Canberra, Australia. > >--------------------------- > > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network
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Gault wrote:
Quoted text (14 lines)> > Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > If you listened to the part at the end when Bruce Dern was > > interviewing John Frankenheimer (the director,) Frankenheimer said > > that he didn't realize that the audience would be so sympathetic to > > Sarti. He also said that in his haste to edit the movie, he removed > > some of the scenes that would have made the audience more sympathetic > > toward Pete Aron and make him a more likeable character. He all but > > said that if he had to do it over again, Sarti would not have died. > > I wonder if the footage still exists. Although I imagine there would be > little financial incentive for the producer, I'd love to see a modern > director's cut.
My understanding is that there was a lot of racing footage shot at racetracks that were not featured in the movie (i.e. from the Nurburgring, Watkins Glen...). Its whereabouts (if it still exists at all) are unknown. Michael Lowery
Bruce Kennewell 31 May 2000 02:31 UTC#266657
No.....you're getting confused, Chris. His FULL name is "John Young Stewart". His two given names are "John" and "Young" and his family name is "Stewart". The abbreviation or common contraction for John is "Jack" (thus the pet-name "Jackie"). -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Chris Bloom <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've always wondered where the Stewart came from. Must be a > clan name I suppose. > > Chris > > In article <3AtY4.2731$%02.58589@news2- > win.server.ntlworld.com>, "m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >Actually, it's John Young. Not Jackie at all! > > > >MS > >> Jeez, if you respect him that much, at least get his name > right. It's > >> JACKIE not jakie> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! >
Bruce Kennewell 31 May 2000 02:36 UTC#266660
I think you'll find that "John" doesn't own the rights to it, so it would not do much good anyone trying to convince him to release it on anything. (He was working for the studio at the time the movie was made, not for himself.) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8h0679$122i$[email hidden]... > In article <VtGY4.8417$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >This movie SCREAMS for a DVD version. Criteron should jump and convince > >John to release a Director's cut of the movie, with additionnal race footage > >and deleted scenes (there is many of them). > > I'm with you! Also, then you could ffwd through the trivial bits, like the > plot. Seriously, I'd buy it.
JS 02 Jun 2000#265963
I guess the premiere is at least 2 weeks ago ;-) Jens On 28 May 2000 12:45:37 GMT, [email hidden] (Woodie 83) wrote: > >What? No "SPOILER" in the subject line? :-) > > >Don McCorkle --------------------------------------------- [email hidden] Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ Racing simulation, esp. GPL Logitech Wingman FF optimization Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor Radio controlled airplanes

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