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"Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j1CY4.9959$[email hidden]... > > > > > But out of curiosity, how is the track distance measured, i.e, is the > > circumference measured from say the centre of the track or the inneredge

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> > of the track (the white line)? > > > > Cheers, > > Rod. > > > > Track distance on an oval is always measured at the shortest possible > distance around the track, i.e. the inside line. > > You'll find this true not just of oval car racing but any event which runs > on an oval, like, say, the mile run.

From the Indy 500 web site: http://www.indy500.com/track/ Length of Track 2� miles (13,200 feet) - Measured three feet above white line/inside edge 2 Long Straightaways 5/8-mile each (3,300 feet) 2 Short Straightaways 1/8-mile each (660 feet) 4 Corners 1/4-mile each (1,320 feet) Banking in Corners 9 degrees, 12 minutes Width of Straightaways 50 feet Width in Corners 60 feet Pit Area 2,175 feet Infield Acreage 224 acres Speedway Acreage 559 acres -- don New GPL Program Covers for Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.clara.co.uk/clara.net/i/a/n/ianparker1/webspace/gpl/

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> > > > I think you nailed it, Greg. Not that Montoya needed any help. > > > > Jerry Morelock > > I disagree and apparently so does Jimmy Vasser -- he stated that since his > car was such a handful to drive all day, the only hope they had was to

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> the pit stop and pray for another yellow flag. If another long yellow had > indeed come out, he might have won. Apparently, there weren't any team > orders at work. > > Jim Getzen > >

Could be. OTOH, even though team orders are an accepted part of F1, they're looked upon somewhat unfavorably in US racing series IMO. I doubt that Vasser would publicly admit he was taking one for the team even if that's what he was doing. Somehow I don't see a Ganassi team relying on a yellow for a win, and I'm damned sure a team of that caliber knew Vasser didn't have enough fuel to see the end of the race. At any rate, it's talk like this that means there was good, exciting racing--too bad it hasn't been there much the last few years. I hope some folks swallow some pride and ego and fix what's wrong with American open wheel racing. Jerry Morelock

Sorry you are incorrect. Benny Parsons answered this question once on RPM2Night. The race surface is measured 15 feet off the outside retaining wall. The reason I remember is that I asked the question to him. Kevin Gavitt wrote in message ...

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> >> >> But out of curiosity, how is the track distance measured, i.e, is the >> circumference measured from say the centre of the track or the inner edge >> of the track (the white line)? >> >> Cheers, >> Rod. >> > >Track distance on an oval is always measured at the shortest possible >distance around the track, i.e. the inside line. > >You'll find this true not just of oval car racing but any event which runs >on an oval, like, say, the mile run. > >

The problem is the @ss that is Tony George will probably make a rules change so it doesn't happen again. Something to prevent the "REAL" driver from CART to come over and spank the IRL regulars again. -- Scott B. Husted ICQ #4395450 Editor in Chief PowerSims.com don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gtem6$6cv$[email hidden]... > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John? > > "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without any > > effort at all"? :-) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:NbnY4.746$[email hidden]... > > > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that > winning > > > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make Ganassi > and > > > Montoya a bad joke as well? > > > > > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, owners, > > and > > > drivers do. > > > > > > -- JB > > Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of that > other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American > motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal > practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and then > spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were > spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL regulars had > better raise their game by next year, or more of them will find themselves > standing by the sidelines, as more CART teams "cherrypick" the 500. > > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give it a > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much. > -- > don > > >

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> On 29 May 2000 01:37:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Tomlani) wrote: > > Indy 500! The > >greatest race in the world! > > **Used to be** the greatest. Tony George with his monumental ego has > destroyed it. And I say that as someone who has lived his whole life > within fifty miles of the track. I can quote all sorts of statistics > of the race from memory but since '95, it's become a joke -- a BAD > joke. > > I only hope that the two sides of this ignorant dispute can settle > their issues and re-unite open wheel racing before both series die. >

Exactly. I never used to miss a CART (Indycar) race. Now, I don't feel any need to watch either CART or the IRL, and I doubt that I'm the only former fan to feel this way. The 500 was the first US-based open wheel race I've taken more than a brief look at this year. Haven't missed an F1 race, though. I agree with the sentiment that CART and IRL need to settle up and get back together before they kill them both off. It's getting harder and harder to avoid showing all those empty seats. Jerry Morelock

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> He was in the top 5 before those pitstops. When everyone went into the > pits he took the lead. And that was the problem. Everyone knew that > Montoya would pass him and he would have to pit anyway. I think he > was doing F1 type team orders and making it difficult for people to > pass to give Montoya a bigger advantage. > > -- > > [email hidden] >

I think you nailed it, Greg. Not that Montoya needed any help. Jerry Morelock

"Jim Getzen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MlxY4.19717$[email hidden]...

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> > > He was in the top 5 before those pitstops. When everyone went into the > > > pits he took the lead. And that was the problem. Everyone knew that > > > Montoya would pass him and he would have to pit anyway. I think he > > > was doing F1 type team orders and making it difficult for people to > > > pass to give Montoya a bigger advantage. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > I think you nailed it, Greg. Not that Montoya needed any help. > > > > Jerry Morelock > > I disagree and apparently so does Jimmy Vasser -- he stated that since his > car was such a handful to drive all day, the only hope they had was to

skip > the pit stop and pray for another yellow flag. If another long yellow had > indeed come out, he might have won. Apparently, there weren't any team > orders at work. > > Jim Getzen I think Chip's reasoning was that, with the chance of weather putting an end to the race, leaving Jimmy out while bringing Juan in would leave a Target cat in the lead if the rain did come. Jimmy then stays out until passed by Juan or a yellow comes out. Either way, Team Ganassi is covered, unfortunately for Jimmy, things just didn't fall his way this year. -- don New GPL Program Covers for Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.clara.co.uk/clara.net/i/a/n/ianparker1/webspace/gpl/

"Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John? > "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without any > effort at all"? :-) > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NbnY4.746$[email hidden]... > > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that

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> > Montoya a bad joke as well? > > > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, owners, > and > > drivers do. > > > > -- JB

Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of that other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and then spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL regulars had better raise their game by next year, or more of them will find themselves standing by the sidelines, as more CART teams "cherrypick" the 500. Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give it a go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much. -- don

It is such a shame that there are no true RACE FANS left! All of this name calling and mudslinging is nothing but a bunch of BS! The race was great as always, not because of who was in it, but because it was the Indy 500! The greatest race in the world!

>It is such a shame that there are no true RACE FANS left! All of this name >calling and mudslinging is nothing but a bunch of BS! The race was great as >always, not because of who was in it, but because it was the Indy 500! The >greatest race in the world! Note quite. It's not the tracks that makes the race, it's the drivers who make the race. The race is only as good as the drivers are. The Indy 500 is nothing without the drivers. Imagine holding the Monaco GP with only F3000 cars and drivers. For some reason that even has now lost the flaire it once had. That is exactly what happened at Indy.

Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SAiY4.72478$[email hidden]... > And I thought it was a blow to IRL when last seasons winner "graduated"into > CART. ;-) > > Last I heard it was a CART driver 1-2... did Vasser drop back? He dropped out of the top 5 I believe. This was due to some unique fuel strategy by Target. I think basicly Jimmy took one for the team and CART to help Montoya win. -- [email hidden] > BTW: what did Gordon do re: his Coca Cola 600 commitment? > > Jan. > =--- > TRUSRS85 wrote... > > JUAN MONTOYA! > > CART!!!!!! > > HAHAAHAHAHAHA > > Eat that IRL, TG, ABC, Lil Al > > HAHAHAHAHA > > CART CART CART > >

Gordon finished the race at Indy, and PJ Jones started for him at the 600. He's just about to take over for PJ, during the red flag.... Dave "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SAiY4.72478$[email hidden]... > And I thought it was a blow to IRL when last seasons winner "graduated"into

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> CART. ;-) > > Last I heard it was a CART driver 1-2... did Vasser drop back? > > BTW: what did Gordon do re: his Coca Cola 600 commitment? > > Jan. > =--- > TRUSRS85 wrote... > > JUAN MONTOYA! > > CART!!!!!! > > HAHAAHAHAHAHA > > Eat that IRL, TG, ABC, Lil Al > > HAHAHAHAHA > > CART CART CART > >

And I thought it was a blow to IRL when last seasons winner "graduated" into CART. ;-) Last I heard it was a CART driver 1-2... did Vasser drop back? BTW: what did Gordon do re: his Coca Cola 600 commitment? Jan. =--- TRUSRS85 wrote... > JUAN MONTOYA! > CART!!!!!! > HAHAAHAHAHAHA > Eat that IRL, TG, ABC, Lil Al > HAHAHAHAHA > CART CART CART

Tomlani <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It is such a shame that there are no true RACE FANS left! All of thisname What are you talking about? > calling and mudslinging is nothing but a bunch of BS! The race was greatas > always, not because of who was in it, but because it was the Indy 500! The > greatest race in the world! Yeah, using underpowered cars. BTW, the IRL is in reality the NASCAR openwheel league. -- [email hidden]

On 29 May 2000 01:37:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Tomlani) wrote: > Indy 500! The >greatest race in the world! **Used to be** the greatest. Tony George with his monumental ego has destroyed it. And I say that as someone who has lived his whole life within fifty miles of the track. I can quote all sorts of statistics of the race from memory but since '95, it's become a joke -- a BAD joke. I only hope that the two sides of this ignorant dispute can settle their issues and re-unite open wheel racing before both series die.

Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that winning Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make Ganassi and Montoya a bad joke as well? Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, owners, and drivers do. -- JB The Black Cat =^..^= wrote in message ...

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>On 29 May 2000 01:37:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Tomlani) wrote: >> Indy 500! The >>greatest race in the world! > >**Used to be** the greatest. Tony George with his monumental ego has >destroyed it. And I say that as someone who has lived his whole life >within fifty miles of the track. I can quote all sorts of statistics >of the race from memory but since '95, it's become a joke -- a BAD >joke. > >I only hope that the two sides of this ignorant dispute can settle >their issues and re-unite open wheel racing before both series die. >

On Mon, 29 May 2000 06:17:19 GMT, Rod Prince <[email hidden]> wrote: >Coming from someone in Australia who is not used to watching oval racing >(I do watch the odd NASCAR event we get scheduled on Fox here, and I do >frig with NASCAR 3 and NL), it was an excellent spectacle. What's with >the swig of milk? The swig of milk is a legendary tradition at the Indy 500. The winner of the race has sucked from the milk bottle for a very long time. (except I think it was Emerson who had orange juice one year) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Skotty Flynn "skotty20" Nascar-Racing-Sims.Com: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com The Ultimate Sim Racing Directory: http://www.nascar-racing-sims.com/directory/ Member of The Sports Gaming Network: http://www.sports-gaming.com

don hodgdon wrote: (snipped) > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give ita > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much. Now that's something I'd like to see, and not solely for the competition. The IRL might just need a couple years worth of thrashings by outsiders in order to get their act together. Either that, or the humiliation might force them to cut a deal with CART and end this split. Hey, I can dream can't I? Course, TG might realize this and never allow it. But how many out there are betting that we'll see a few more CART teams at Indy next year?

The man can't help his name Bruce, still, you've just got to laugh. Before '95 they'd show the Indy500 live in cinema's here and you had to be "connected" to get tickets (never got in myself), now, even if they did, they wouldn't get anyone to watch it (I might have, to glee over watching Ganassi walk the field). Jan. =--- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Once was I could name all 33 drivers in an Indy 500.....I haven't had the > slightest interest in doing so ever since somebody called 'Billy Boat'raced > in it! LOL! > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > ---------------------------

Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The milk is a tradition that goes back decades. Yep. The following information is from the Indy museum: Milk jug Another tradition that dates to Louis Meyer and the 1936 Indianapolis 500. "He drank buttermilk because his mother told him that it would refresh him," Davidson says. "He was going to drink that no matter what [after the race], and a [local] milk federation executive saw it and said, 'Hey, we can do something with this.' " The chilled milk, now anonymous Grade A whole, is presented in an old-fashioned glass quart bottle along with a greenery- and flower-studded victor's wreath. "Rick Mears, who won four Indianapolis 500s, has each one of his milk bottles mounted on plaques," Davidson says.

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> > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that winning > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make Ganassi and > Montoya a bad joke as well? > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, owners, and > drivers do. > > -- JB

You're kidding, right? You know they wanna take these guys on again next year. So they gotta pretty it up for TG. You think he'd let them back if they told it how it really was? -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons From the song "War Machine", 1982

In article <eMjY4.2409$[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:SAiY4.72478$[email hidden]... >> And I thought it was a blow to IRL when last seasons winner "graduated" >into >> CART. ;-) >> >> Last I heard it was a CART driver 1-2... did Vasser drop back? > >He dropped out of the top 5 I believe. This was due to some unique >fuel strategy by Target. I think basicly Jimmy took one for the team >and CART to help Montoya win.

Note that before the last set of pitting, Vasser wasn't running number 2 (4, 5, 7?) and was only that high due to his not pitting. Personally, I was hoping for a devastating one-two to put another nail in the IRL coffin. Still, the message was pretty strong.

The problem is, who from the CART series WOULD you like to see at the 500? I can only think of a handful of CART drivers that I root for: Michael Andretti Adrian Fernandez Dario Francatti Paul Tracy Kenny Brack Max Papas And... That's about it... And frankly I would even put Andretti on the list, if he wasn't an American, he's a bigger whiner than Rusty Wallace for God's sakes :-) I for one enjoyed the 500, it had a lot of drama leading in.... The return of Little Al, The two Gal's in the race, Chip's Champion and his other driver ;-) And all the regular American names that the IRL has in it's rouster. "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, I'm sorry.....my written guffaw about Mr. Boat was uncalled for. > > It's just that my Indy memories (from afar, of course......I've never been > there) relate to the period of greatest turmoil...the changing of theguard, > so-to-speak...from the early 1960's. > Brabham with the Cooper (1961), the gradual introduction of rear-engined > cars via the Lotus, Ford and Gurney influence (1963/64), Clark and hisgreat > drive in 1964 and then the big win for Ford and Lotus (1965), ParnelliJones > and the first STP turbine "Silent Sam" (1967), the wedge-shaped Lotii,first

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> with turbines and 4-wheel drive (1968), then the influx of > aerodynamics.......right up to the 1990's it was still an event I looked > forward to watching and reading about each year. > > Then virtually overnight George blew it away. > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rFpY4.80160$[email hidden]... > > The man can't help his name Bruce, still, you've just got to laugh.

Before > > '95 they'd show the Indy500 live in cinema's here and you had to be > > "connected" to get tickets (never got in myself), now, even if they did, > > they wouldn't get anyone to watch it (I might have, to glee overwatching

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> > Ganassi walk the field). > > > > Jan. > > =--- > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Once was I could name all 33 drivers in an Indy 500.....I haven't had > the > > > slightest interest in doing so ever since somebody called 'Billy Boat' > > raced > > > in it! LOL! > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Bruce Kennewell, > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > --------------------------- > > > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, Chuck Kandler <[email hidden]> wrote: >John Bodin wrote: >> >> Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that winning >> Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make Ganassi and >> Montoya a bad joke as well? When did Montoya say that? He struck me as singularly unmoved by the whole thing. He wasn't exactly like those last-minute qualifiers (and bubble burstees) a week back who were all choked up. >You're kidding, right? You know they wanna take these guys on again >next year. So they gotta pretty it up for TG. You think he'd let them >back if they told it how it really was? I think it is quite possible that both are at play. Sure, they are going to tow the party line. And it is also worth lots of $ to act as if it is the case. But I think it (the memory and tradition of Indy) are still fresh enough that it does mean a heck of a lot to Ganassi and a lot of the team. Certainly it will to Target (having nothing to do with racing and all to sponsorship). Now Montoya, OTOH, probably considers it just another race and (I'm really guessing) is quietly laughing. Then again, he might consider all of our racing here a bit of a joke :-o

John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NbnY4.746$[email hidden]... > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that winning > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make Ganassi and > Montoya a bad joke as well? Considering that they have no experience racing or using that IRL equipment and they simply showed up and kicked everyone's ass.... I would say they are correct. To me it just shows how good that team really is. I expect Neuman Haas and Penske in the race next year. > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, owners,and > drivers do. They had to be political. We do not. Like we can tell you to blow it out of your ass :-) -- [email hidden]

Jay J <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RyuY4.4258$[email hidden]... > The problem is, who from the CART series WOULD you like to see at the 500? > > I can only think of a handful of CART drivers that I root for: > > Michael Andretti Michael's my homie ;) Just kidding, but the Andretti's like 30 minutes from me :)

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> sakes :-) > > I for one enjoyed the 500, it had a lot of drama leading in.... The return > of Little Al, The two Gal's in the race, Chip's Champion and his other > driver ;-) And all the regular American names that the IRL has in it's > rouster. > > > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, I'm sorry.....my written guffaw about Mr. Boat was uncalled for. > > > > It's just that my Indy memories (from afar, of course......I've never

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> > there) relate to the period of greatest turmoil...the changing of the > guard, > > so-to-speak...from the early 1960's. > > Brabham with the Cooper (1961), the gradual introduction of rear-engined > > cars via the Lotus, Ford and Gurney influence (1963/64), Clark and his > great > > drive in 1964 and then the big win for Ford and Lotus (1965), Parnelli > Jones > > and the first STP turbine "Silent Sam" (1967), the wedge-shaped Lotii, > first > > with turbines and 4-wheel drive (1968), then the influx of > > aerodynamics.......right up to the 1990's it was still an event I looked > > forward to watching and reading about each year. > > > > Then virtually overnight George blew it away. > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:rFpY4.80160$[email hidden]... > > > The man can't help his name Bruce, still, you've just got to laugh. > Before > > > '95 they'd show the Indy500 live in cinema's here and you had to be > > > "connected" to get tickets (never got in myself), now, even if they

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> > > they wouldn't get anyone to watch it (I might have, to glee over > watching > > > Ganassi walk the field). > > > > > > Jan. > > > =--- > > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Once was I could name all 33 drivers in an Indy 500.....I haven't

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<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gts74$1ele$[email hidden]... > Note that before the last set of pitting, Vasser wasn't running number 2(4, > 5, 7?) and was only that high due to his not pitting. Personally, I was > hoping for a devastating one-two to put another nail in the IRL coffin. > Still, the message was pretty strong. He was in the top 5 before those pitstops. When everyone went into the pits he took the lead. And that was the problem. Everyone knew that Montoya would pass him and he would have to pit anyway. I think he was doing F1 type team orders and making it difficult for people to pass to give Montoya a bigger advantage. -- [email hidden]

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> > He was in the top 5 before those pitstops. When everyone went into the > > pits he took the lead. And that was the problem. Everyone knew that > > Montoya would pass him and he would have to pit anyway. I think he > > was doing F1 type team orders and making it difficult for people to > > pass to give Montoya a bigger advantage. > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > I think you nailed it, Greg. Not that Montoya needed any help. > > Jerry Morelock

I disagree and apparently so does Jimmy Vasser -- he stated that since his car was such a handful to drive all day, the only hope they had was to skip the pit stop and pray for another yellow flag. If another long yellow had indeed come out, he might have won. Apparently, there weren't any team orders at work. Jim Getzen

Yeah I would really like to see AT LEAST the best open wheel drivers in the world racing the event, and I would also like to see the best from Nascar and Sport. If Robby Gordon can do so well at the current 500, and then be a back marker in NASCAR, I would think some of the more talented nascar people (Including non Winston cup guys that road race at the WC road races) could be much more competitive than many of the IRL guys at the least. So: Michael Schumacher - Juan Montoya - Mika Hakkanin Greg Ray (Got Lucky :)) - Pedro De Le Rosa - Tony Stewert Jacques Villeneuve - Jeff Gordon - Ralph Schumacher making up the first 3 rows... that would be a tad bit more exciting than the top 9 we really had. So If all the leagues could get together in the next 10 years and agree to take a few weeks off and really put together a race that everyone could get excited about, then it would bring new fans and more money for everyone, and I think that's something IRL\CART\FIA\NASCAR can all agree with... money :) Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > (snip) > > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will giveit

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> > and > > > > Montoya a bad joke as well? > > > > > > > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, > owners, > > > and > > > > drivers do. > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of that > > other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American > > motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal > > practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and

then > > spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were > > spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL regulars > had > > better raise their game by next year, or more of them will findthemselves > > standing by the sidelines, as more CART teams "cherrypick" the 500. > > > > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will giveit

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> a > > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a > > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much. > > -- > > don > > > > > > > >

On Mon, 29 May 2000 14:05:10 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: >When did Montoya say that? He struck me as singularly unmoved by the whole >thing. He wasn't exactly like those last-minute qualifiers (and bubble >burstees) a week back who were all choked up. On my TV at the finish I heard Montoya screaming over the radio repeatedly. I think he was very excited. Don't let your slanted political opinions cloud the simple facts. Montoya was having a great time. >sponsorship). Now Montoya, OTOH, probably considers it just another race and >(I'm really guessing) is quietly laughing. Then again, he might consider all >of our racing here a bit of a joke :-o No driver in the race considered the 500 a joke, lets be real. They all wanted to win and they all new what winning the 500 would mean. The 500 is certainly full of political problems, but it somehow seems to rise above the petty bickering on race day. Of course, it would/will even be better if all the politicking would go away. Maybe someday.... -GaryR

> On my TV at the finish I heard Montoya screaming over the radio > repeatedly. I think he was very excited. Don't let your slanted > political opinions cloud the simple facts. Montoya was having a great > time. > Well did you she is girlfriend just about suck his lungs out in Victory lane. I think yes he was happy since the race went just the way he wanted it to. A close race is fun, but for a driver being able to run your pace and win at will is a bunch of fun too. Also his creditiblity goes up since he is in good company as a rookie winner. > > No driver in the race considered the 500 a joke, lets be real. They > all wanted to win and they all new what winning the 500 would mean. > The 500 is certainly full of political problems, but it somehow seems > to rise above the petty bickering on race day. Of course, it > would/will even be better if all the politicking would go away. Its still a neat race and well with Target Ganassi there it was better the it has been in recent years. Juan demostrated he is a very versitle driver, being able to pick up indy in nothing specail for a car since everyone else had similar chassis not like when Hill won it in a Lotus. Being able to come out run hard like he did in a car he probly will only see again next May, hell I would be excited too. It would have been really great if guys like Tracey Fanchitti, Deferren, Andtretti, were there. It would have added to his win. Dave

Course, TG might realize this and never allow it. But how many out there are betting that we'll see a few more CART teams at Indy next year? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either that, or Uncle Tony will institute the 33/0 rule!

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > JUAN MONTOYA! > CART!!!!!! Coming from someone in Australia who is not used to watching oval racing (I do watch the odd NASCAR event we get scheduled on Fox here, and I do frig with NASCAR 3 and NL), it was an excellent spectacle. What's with the swig of milk? I watched the last 100 or so laps, it was on early morning Monday so I was watching while I was getting ready for work, and can say without a doubt, anyone who thinks racing around in cirles is boring should sit down and watch a race or two. There is alot more below the surface of just racing round in circles. But out of curiosity, how is the track distance measured, i.e, is the circumference measured from say the centre of the track or the inner edge of the track (the white line)? Cheers, Rod.

"Greatest race in the world"?!!! Give us a break! It may have been *ONE* of the world's great races, but hasn't been such since Mr. George spat the dummy, grabbed his bat and ball and told the other kids to piss off out've his backyard! Once was I could name all 33 drivers in an Indy 500.....I haven't had the slightest interest in doing so ever since somebody called 'Billy Boat' raced in it! LOL! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Tomlani <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It is such a shame that there are no true RACE FANS left! All of this name > calling and mudslinging is nothing but a bunch of BS! The race was great as > always, not because of who was in it, but because it was the Indy 500! The > greatest race in the world!

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> > But out of curiosity, how is the track distance measured, i.e, is the > circumference measured from say the centre of the track or the inner edge > of the track (the white line)? > > Cheers, > Rod. >

Track distance on an oval is always measured at the shortest possible distance around the track, i.e. the inside line. You'll find this true not just of oval car racing but any event which runs on an oval, like, say, the mile run.

What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John? "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without any effort at all"? :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NbnY4.746$[email hidden]... > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that winning > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make Ganassi and > Montoya a bad joke as well? > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, owners, and > drivers do. > > -- JB > > > The Black Cat =^..^= wrote in message ... > >On 29 May 2000 01:37:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Tomlani) wrote: > >> Indy 500! The > >>greatest race in the world! > > > >**Used to be** the greatest. Tony George with his monumental ego has > >destroyed it. And I say that as someone who has lived his whole life > >within fifty miles of the track. I can quote all sorts of statistics > >of the race from memory but since '95, it's become a joke -- a BAD > >joke. > > > >I only hope that the two sides of this ignorant dispute can settle > >their issues and re-unite open wheel racing before both series die. > > > >

The milk is a tradition that goes back decades. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Rod Prince <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.139cb5b298c0e59a9896b4@news-server... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > JUAN MONTOYA! > > CART!!!!!! > > Coming from someone in Australia who is not used to watching oval racing > (I do watch the odd NASCAR event we get scheduled on Fox here, and I do > frig with NASCAR 3 and NL), it was an excellent spectacle. What's with > the swig of milk? > > I watched the last 100 or so laps, it was on early morning Monday so I > was watching while I was getting ready for work, and can say without a > doubt, anyone who thinks racing around in cirles is boring should sit > down and watch a race or two. There is alot more below the surface of > just racing round in circles. > > But out of curiosity, how is the track distance measured, i.e, is the > circumference measured from say the centre of the track or the inner edge > of the track (the white line)? > > Cheers, > Rod. >

>The winner drinks a bottle of milk for $25,000 USD. Except Emerson >Fittipaldi who drank orange juice and missed out on the bonus. > >I think it's a promotional thing. > I hadn't heard that. I can't *stand* milk, but for a $25K bonus, I'd drink the whole damn thing...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sun, 28 May 2000 20:32:05 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:SAiY4.72478$[email hidden]... >> And I thought it was a blow to IRL when last seasons winner "graduated" >into >> CART. ;-) >> >> Last I heard it was a CART driver 1-2... did Vasser drop back? > >He dropped out of the top 5 I believe. This was due to some unique >fuel strategy by Target. I think basicly Jimmy took one for the team >and CART to help Montoya win.

Nope. He had a problem changing his gurney flap. His car was ill-handling. ----------- "My dispute is with the IRL. I will not support the IRL because I think that's what has disrupted open-wheel racing in America for us. I mean, we are pulling in different directions and that doesn't make sense." -- Mario Andretti, May 2000 Juan Montoya tells the truth about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway http://espn.go.com/media/2000/q2/car_000517jm1a.wav Oval racing is 98% engineering and 2% driver talent. Al Unser Jr: The Indy Retirement League Poster-Boy http://www.speedcenter.com/gallery/gallery98/13midohio/need_an_ashtray_here480.jpg

On Sun, 28 May 2000 21:49:23 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Tomlani <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> It is such a shame that there are no true RACE FANS left! All of this >name > >What are you talking about? > >> calling and mudslinging is nothing but a bunch of BS! The race was great >as >> always, not because of who was in it, but because it was the Indy 500! The >> greatest race in the world! > >Yeah, using underpowered cars. BTW, the IRL is in reality the NASCAR >openwheel league.

Yeah did you see Greg Ray hit the wall TWICE under NASCAR rules? ----------- "My dispute is with the IRL. I will not support the IRL because I think that's what has disrupted open-wheel racing in America for us. I mean, we are pulling in different directions and that doesn't make sense." -- Mario Andretti, May 2000 Juan Montoya tells the truth about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway http://espn.go.com/media/2000/q2/car_000517jm1a.wav Oval racing is 98% engineering and 2% driver talent. Al Unser Jr: The Indy Retirement League Poster-Boy http://www.speedcenter.com/gallery/gallery98/13midohio/need_an_ashtray_here480.jpg

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... >> JUAN MONTOYA! >> CART!!!!!! > >Coming from someone in Australia who is not used to watching oval racing >(I do watch the odd NASCAR event we get scheduled on Fox here, and I do >frig with NASCAR 3 and NL), it was an excellent spectacle. What's with >the swig of milk?

The winner drinks a bottle of milk for $25,000 USD. Except Emerson Fittipaldi who drank orange juice and missed out on the bonus. I think it's a promotional thing.

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>I watched the last 100 or so laps, it was on early morning Monday so I >was watching while I was getting ready for work, and can say without a >doubt, anyone who thinks racing around in cirles is boring should sit >down and watch a race or two. There is alot more below the surface of >just racing round in circles. > >But out of curiosity, how is the track distance measured, i.e, is the >circumference measured from say the centre of the track or the inner edge >of the track (the white line)?

I believe its the inner edge. ----------- "My dispute is with the IRL. I will not support the IRL because I think that's what has disrupted open-wheel racing in America for us. I mean, we are pulling in different directions and that doesn't make sense." -- Mario Andretti, May 2000 Juan Montoya tells the truth about the Indianapolis Motor Speedway http://espn.go.com/media/2000/q2/car_000517jm1a.wav Oval racing is 98% engineering and 2% driver talent. Al Unser Jr: The Indy Retirement League Poster-Boy http://www.speedcenter.com/gallery/gallery98/13midohio/need_an_ashtray_here480.jpg

Is your mind really so narrow that your ears touch, Scott, or is it some sort of powerful intellectual vacuum that supports your apparently crippling narrow-mindedness? -- JB Scott B. Husted wrote in message ... >The problem is the @ss that is Tony George will probably make a ruleschange

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>so it doesn't happen again. Something to prevent the "REAL" driver from >CART to come over and spank the IRL regulars again. > >-- >Scott B. Husted >ICQ #4395450 > >Editor in Chief >PowerSims.com >don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8gtem6$6cv$[email hidden]... >> >> "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John? >> > "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without

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>> > effort at all"? :-) >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > Bruce Kennewell, >> > Canberra, Australia. >> > --------------------------- >> > >> > John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:NbnY4.746$[email hidden]... >> > > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that >> winning >> > > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make Ganassi >> and >> > > Montoya a bad joke as well? >> > > >> > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, >owners, >> > and >> > > drivers do. >> > > >> > > -- JB >> >> Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of that >> other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American >> motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal >> practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and then >> spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were >> spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL regulars >had >> better raise their game by next year, or more of them will find

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> Milk jug > Another tradition that dates to Louis Meyer and the 1936 Indianapolis 500. > "He drank buttermilk because his mother told him that it would refresh him," > Davidson says. "He was going to drink that no matter what [after the race], > and a [local] milk federation executive saw it and said, 'Hey, we can do > something with this.' " The chilled milk, now anonymous Grade A whole, is > presented in an old-fashioned glass quart bottle along with a greenery- and > flower-studded victor's wreath. "Rick Mears, who won four Indianapolis 500s, > has each one of his milk bottles mounted on plaques," Davidson says.

I found it quite amusing that in the space of a number of hours, I watched champagne being fizzed, tossed and drunk after a victory, then a driver and his crew sipping on a glass of milk. ;) Excellent tradition! (and that's not cos I drink gobloads of milk...) Cheers, Rod.

Yes, I'm sorry.....my written guffaw about Mr. Boat was uncalled for. It's just that my Indy memories (from afar, of course......I've never been there) relate to the period of greatest turmoil...the changing of the guard, so-to-speak...from the early 1960's. Brabham with the Cooper (1961), the gradual introduction of rear-engined cars via the Lotus, Ford and Gurney influence (1963/64), Clark and his great drive in 1964 and then the big win for Ford and Lotus (1965), Parnelli Jones and the first STP turbine "Silent Sam" (1967), the wedge-shaped Lotii, first with turbines and 4-wheel drive (1968), then the influx of aerodynamics.......right up to the 1990's it was still an event I looked forward to watching and reading about each year. Then virtually overnight George blew it away. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rFpY4.80160$[email hidden]... > The man can't help his name Bruce, still, you've just got to laugh. Before > '95 they'd show the Indy500 live in cinema's here and you had to be > "connected" to get tickets (never got in myself), now, even if they did, > they wouldn't get anyone to watch it (I might have, to glee over watching > Ganassi walk the field). > > Jan. > =--- > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Once was I could name all 33 drivers in an Indy 500.....I haven't had the > > slightest interest in doing so ever since somebody called 'Billy Boat' > raced > > in it! LOL! > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > >

(snip) > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give ita > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much(unsnip) Now THAT would inject some much-needed interest, Don. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gtem6$6cv$[email hidden]... > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John? > > "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without any > > effort at all"? :-) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:NbnY4.746$[email hidden]... > > > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that > winning > > > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make Ganassi > and > > > Montoya a bad joke as well? > > > > > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, owners, > > and > > > drivers do. > > > > > > -- JB > > Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of that > other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American > motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal > practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and then > spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were > spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL regulars had > better raise their game by next year, or more of them will find themselves > standing by the sidelines, as more CART teams "cherrypick" the 500. > > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give it a > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much. > -- > don > > >

Thanks.... had no idea HOW it started so that little snippet solves that mystery for me. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Gault <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gtgdn$ekp$[email hidden]... > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > The milk is a tradition that goes back decades. > > Yep. The following information is from the Indy museum: > > Milk jug > Another tradition that dates to Louis Meyer and the 1936 Indianapolis 500. > "He drank buttermilk because his mother told him that it would refresh him," > Davidson says. "He was going to drink that no matter what [after the race], > and a [local] milk federation executive saw it and said, 'Hey, we can do > something with this.' " The chilled milk, now anonymous Grade A whole, is > presented in an old-fashioned glass quart bottle along with a greenery- and > flower-studded victor's wreath. "Rick Mears, who won four Indianapolis 500s, > has each one of his milk bottles mounted on plaques," Davidson says. > > > >

rik anthrax wrote: > > Either that, or Uncle Tony will institute the 33/0 rule! You're probably right with that one unfortunately.

Let's not overlook the fact that any current F1 drivers would have a snowball's chance in hell of driving at Indy. That's because of what their contracts have to say about "extra-curricular activities". There are also many F1 drivers who, given the chance, would NOT drive on an oval due to their concern for the safety of such a configuration. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:egyY4.141397$[email hidden]... > Yeah I would really like to see AT LEAST the best open wheel drivers in the > world racing the event, and I would also like to see the best from Nascar > and Sport. If Robby Gordon can do so well at the current 500, and then be a > back marker in NASCAR, I would think some of the more talented nascar people > (Including non Winston cup guys that road race at the WC road races) could > be much more competitive than many of the IRL guys at the least. > > So: > Michael Schumacher - Juan Montoya - Mika Hakkanin > Greg Ray (Got Lucky :)) - Pedro De Le Rosa - Tony Stewert > Jacques Villeneuve - Jeff Gordon - Ralph Schumacher > > making up the first 3 rows... that would be a tad bit more exciting than the > top 9 we really had. So If all the leagues could get together in the next 10 > years and agree to take a few weeks off and really put together a race that > everyone could get excited about, then it would bring new fans and more > money for everyone, and I think that's something IRL\CART\FIA\NASCAR can all > agree with... money :) > > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > (snip) > > > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give > it > > a > > > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a > > > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much > > (unsnip) > > > > Now THAT would inject some much-needed interest, Don. > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > don hodgdon <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8gtem6$6cv$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > What ELSE are they going to say in a public statement, John? > > > > "It was a pathetic event and we peed all over the opposition without > any > > > > effort at all"? :-) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruce Kennewell, > > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > John Bodin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:NbnY4.746$[email hidden]... > > > > > Funny, in separate interviews, BOTH Ganassi and Montoya said that > > > winning > > > > > Indy was the BIGGEST thing they've ever done. Does that make > Ganassi > > > and > > > > > Montoya a bad joke as well? > > > > > > > > > > Too bad CART's fans can't exhibit as much class as CART's teams, > > owners, > > > > and > > > > > drivers do. > > > > > > > > > > -- JB > > > > > > Ezzaktly Bruce, this wasn't about politics, CART vs. IRL or any of that > > > other petty BS. This year's 500 was about the best team in American > > > motorsport purchasing off-the-rack cars and engines, running minimal > > > practice laps, qualifying fast enough to start towards the front and > then > > > spanking the opposition at their own game. The Ganassi pit stops were > > > spectacular, truely a professional outfit. The rest of the IRL regulars > > had > > > better raise their game by next year, or more of them will find > themselves > > > standing by the sidelines, as more CART teams "cherrypick" the 500. > > > > > > Ganassi made it look so easy, maybe a European or Aussie team will give > it > > a > > > go next year. Some of the F1 teams spend bundles on their F3000 teams, a > > > one-off run at Indy wouldn't hurt the budget too much. > > > -- > > > don > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

well like I said, this would be a long time coming and would need full support of everyone involved. And if a few guys are concerned about ovals, then there will be others that are not. I wouldn't expect to show up, but at least some of the drivers that are somewhat good. :) As for the contracts, I would assume the drivers would drive for their teams at Indy. Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Let's not overlook the fact that any current F1 drivers would have a > snowball's chance in hell of driving at Indy. That's because of whattheir > contracts have to say about "extra-curricular activities". > > There are also many F1 drivers who, given the chance, would NOT drive onan

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(snip) As for the contracts, I would assume the drivers would drive for their teams at Indy. (unsnip) Naturally....if it ever came to pass that His Omnipotence Lord Ecclestone agreed to the full Indy oval being used in the Grand Prix of the USA! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Kai Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:csXY4.110719$[email hidden]... > well like I said, this would be a long time coming and would need full > support of everyone involved. And if a few guys are concerned about ovals, > then there will be others that are not. I wouldn't expect to show up, but at > least some of the drivers that are somewhat good. :) > > As for the contracts, I would assume the drivers would drive for their teams > at Indy. >