Re: OT: Indy 500

Yep. I would of rather see Jimmy Vasser win it though. Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

I heard the Indy 500 was running today but I turned on my TV and went to COMEDY CENTRAL and I couldn't find the "race"? <VBG> ;) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ #4395450 Editor in Chief PowerSims.com

It's running now on ABC Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

Well its over and Tony George must be ticked off. Juan and Team Target showed the IRL that they are truely second to CART, CART drivers and CART teams. Wonder what Tony is gonna do next year to make sure another CART team does not come out and beat up on his little league. Loved watching every lap Juan Led, tho ABC did not show much of it, wonder why. Dave Target 12 <[email hidden]> wrote in article <[email hidden]>...

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> It's running now on ABC > Racer X > Veteran Sim Racer > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > Victory Lane- > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ > >

David <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfc8cb$cd153a60$24d3fc3f@packardbell... > > Well its over and Tony George must be ticked off. Juan and Team Target > showed the IRL that they are truely second to CART, CART drivers and CART > teams. Wonder what Tony is gonna do next year to make sure another CART > team does not come out and beat up on his little league. Yeah. It seemed much like the WInston cup drivers competing in the Busch races... > Loved watching every lap Juan Led, tho ABC did not show much of it, wonder > why. I noticed that too. I would not be surprised to find that ABC had strict instructions to just showcase the IRL drivers. They did should enough of Montoya and Vasser though IMHO. -- [email hidden] > Dave > > Target 12 <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <[email hidden]>... > > It's running now on ABC > > Racer X > > Veteran Sim Racer > > #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC > > #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL > > Victory Lane- > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/ > > > >

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>She was doing her lipstick in her mirrors down the back straight. Lynne St >james was powdering her nose and dropped the compact. The resulting dust >cloud blinded Sarah, who was admiring her rouge anyway. To cut a long story >short, the medical centre was informed that two women had collided on track >and both were in need of cosmetic surgery. > >MS

ROTFLMAO!!!! Racer X Veteran Sim Racer #4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC #24 Monte Carlo in the DORL Victory Lane- http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

"Shaun Robinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I guess i was to busy thinking how cool it would be Montoya and Jimmy > would have 1-2'd. So from what i remembered the ladies collected > themselves, Sarah less so the Lynn. Yes I agree, but it was Lynn that took the big crapola into the wall :-) -- [email hidden] > > Greg Cisko wrote: > > > > "Shaun Robinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Sarah met the wall after the other chick pushed her there... no, three > > > > Uh... Sarah pushed Lynn St. James into the wall... How is it > > that you are confused about this? > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > wide in to one of the turns. A mystery person on the inside, Sarah in > > > the middle, and what's her face on the out side. The ladies had a coming > > > together with themselves then the wall. > > > Yaaa Montoya!!! > > > > > > Stephen Ferguson wrote: > > > > > > > > Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah > > Fisher. > > > > There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someone > > tell > > > > me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > > > > > > > > Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at > > > > average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of > > "amateurs". > > > > > > > > Stephen

"Shaun Robinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sarah met the wall after the other chick pushed her there... no, three Uh... Sarah pushed Lynn St. James into the wall... How is it that you are confused about this? -- [email hidden] > wide in to one of the turns. A mystery person on the inside, Sarah in > the middle, and what's her face on the out side. The ladies had a coming > together with themselves then the wall. > Yaaa Montoya!!! > > Stephen Ferguson wrote: > > > > Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah Fisher. > > There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someone tell > > me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > > > > Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at > > average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of "amateurs". > > > > Stephen

Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah Fisher. There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someone tell me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of "amateurs". Stephen

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> Sarah met the wall after the other chick pushed her there... no, three > wide in to one of the turns. A mystery person on the inside, Sarah in > the middle, and what's her face on the out side. The ladies had a coming > together with themselves then the wall. > Yaaa Montoya!!! > > Stephen Ferguson wrote: > > > > Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah

Fisher. > > There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someonetell > > me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > > > > Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at > > average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of"amateurs". > > > > Stephen The "mystery person" on the inside of Sarah was Jacques Lazier. -- don New Programmes for Converted GPL Tracks http://www.ianparker1.clara.co.uk/clara.net/i/a/n/ianparker1/webspace/gpl/

>Well its over and Tony George must be ticked off. Juan and Team Target >showed the IRL that they are truely second to CART, CART drivers and CART >teams. Wonder what Tony is gonna do next year to make sure another CART >team does not come out and beat up on his little league. Bull...the way I see it is Montoya and Ganassi are right now the best combination in Open Wheel racing. The fact he won the Indy500 doesnt mean CART is better than the IRL or that the drivers are more talented. If you think for a while you may remember Gurerro, Bosel, Unser Jr., Lazier, Goodyear, and Luyendyk were all succesful to varying degrees in CART before the IRL was formed. They're not exactly dominating the IRL now are they? Now I realize these guys werent the best in CART (though Unser Jr. was a champion) but that doesnt mean CART a a whole is superior to the IRL. I would have to say theyre about even in the talent pool...they have dominant drivers and not so dominant drivers. So to say CART is better than IRL isnt fair...theyre totally different types of racing. I enjoy both and dont miss CART at Indy one bit...I still see very entertaining races there and this year was really no exception. Just putting my 2 cents in...no offense to anyone cause your certianly entitled to your own opinion. Chris

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Schlomo4) wrote: >Bull...the way I see it is Montoya and Ganassi are right now the best >combination in Open Wheel racing. Have we forgotten F1? And anyway, Ganassi isn't dominating CART this year. Nor is Montoya. >The fact he won the Indy500 doesnt mean CART >is better than the IRL or that the drivers are more talented. True ... on its own ... > I would have to say theyre >about even in the talent pool...they have dominant drivers and not so dominant >drivers. Since it is hard for any but an expert (of which I'm not) to look at a car going down the track and say "driver A is better than B", I look at it by: 1) Seeing how a driver fairs in both 2) Does he move from one to the other when succesful (Brack) or when down and out (Little Al). 3) Where the hot up and coming drivers choose to go (errr, F1 :-)) >So to say CART is better than IRL isnt fair...theyre totally >different types of racing. Hmm, open wheel, fairly similar power (okay, CART has some more), lots of ovals (CART adds road and street courses on top of this), taken from the same driver pool with a lot of names common to both in the past, as you mentioned. "Totally different"? It would be hard to find many that are more similar than that! >Just putting my 2 cents in...no offense to anyone cause your certianly entitled >to your own opinion. And you yours... Listen, some may overstate the case, and this often causes others to just respond in the contrary. But do you seriously believe that (1) IRL is as good in the driver pool as CART and (2) either compares to F1? (hint on the latter: who gets whose used up drivers, who gets whose champion who then fails miserably?).

In article <[email hidden]>, Johnrock wrote: > >Or, who gets the '95 CART champion, who then proceeds to win the >Drivers Championship with Frank Williams' squad 2 years >later............ > >There's always another spin to things. :) And no spin goes unspun here! Yep, JV did win in both. But it is hard to do state logically: JV wins in CART, JV wins in F1, therefore CART>F1. And I could point out how many pts he won last year :-) It is harder to figure F1 due to the extreme differences in the competitiveness of the cars. It took a good time for Mario to win his championship, while Michael (at peak form) and Zanardi (ditto) washed out. Admittedly, they might have done a lot better if given more time. Who knows, Zanardi might get another shot? Cheever, while he raced many years in F1, only managed 2 seconds in 132 starts. It seems that most crossovers the other way have done better, quicker. And they seem to pick up the oval-thing quickly too.

Yes I agree, but it was Lynn that took the big crapola into the wall :-) -- > > > Sarah met the wall after the other chick pushed her there... no, three > > Uh... Sarah pushed Lynn St. James into the wall... How is it > > that you are confused about this? > > -- > > > wide in to one of the turns. A mystery person on the inside, Sarah in > > > the middle, and what's her face on the out side. The ladies had a coming > > > together with themselves then the wall. > > > Yaaa Montoya!!! > > > > Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah > > Fisher. > > > > There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someone > > tell > > > > me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > > > > Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at > > > > average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of > > "amateurs". > > > > Stephen

Sarah met the wall after the other chick pushed her there... no, three wide in to one of the turns. A mystery person on the inside, Sarah in the middle, and what's her face on the out side. The ladies had a coming together with themselves then the wall. Yaaa Montoya!!! Stephen Ferguson wrote:

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> > Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah Fisher. > There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someone tell > me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > > Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at > average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of "amateurs". > > Stephen

She was doing her lipstick in her mirrors down the back straight. Lynne St james was powdering her nose and dropped the compact. The resulting dust cloud blinded Sarah, who was admiring her rouge anyway. To cut a long story short, the medical centre was informed that two women had collided on track and both were in need of cosmetic surgery. MS "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3933c3e3$[email hidden]... > Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be SarahFisher. > There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someonetell > me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > > Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at > average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of"amateurs". > > Stephen > > >

I guess i was to busy thinking how cool it would be Montoya and Jimmy would have 1-2'd. So from what i remembered the ladies collected themselves, Sarah less so the Lynn. Greg Cisko wrote:

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> > "Shaun Robinson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Sarah met the wall after the other chick pushed her there... no, three > > Uh... Sarah pushed Lynn St. James into the wall... How is it > that you are confused about this? > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > wide in to one of the turns. A mystery person on the inside, Sarah in > > the middle, and what's her face on the out side. The ladies had a coming > > together with themselves then the wall. > > Yaaa Montoya!!! > > > > Stephen Ferguson wrote: > > > > > > Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah > Fisher. > > > There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someone > tell > > > me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > > > > > > Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at > > > average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of > "amateurs". > > > > > > Stephen

From what I saw on the tv, all of her shopping fell over to one side of the car causing her too lose control of her vehicle. Apparently, the resulting hit with the wall smashed her two dozen eggs as well. It took the marshals at least 10 minutes to clear up the nasty sticky mess on the side of the track. Apart from that she had quite a nice afternoon out :) Ben. http://www.durley.demon.co.uk/gplgp3 Next year she will remember to place the goods in a safer fashion. Stephen Ferguson wrote in message <3933c3e3$[email hidden]>... >Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah Fisher. >There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someonetell

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>me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > >Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at >average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of "amateurs". > >Stephen > > >

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> > it is my opinion esp after hearing Lynn say she wasn't going to go up > into the marbles and put herself out, that from my view Lynn came > down from the outside position and Sarah was there. Sarah had nowhere > to go with J.Lazier on the inside and the ladies touched. first > St.James went into the wall, then after the touch, Sarah may have over > corrected adn she slapped the wall also. not nearly as hard as > StJames... Lazier went on uninvolved. > > setting this all up St.James also addmitted her car was not handling > correctly, and TRIED to stay out of the way. i think Sarah and Jacques > were dicing when they came up on Lynn and timing in the turn turned it > into one of dem racin' deals....

If that's the case, then it's a shame, as are most of "dem racin' deals". I really would like to see some good racing results from Fisher. Anyone who thinks women don't belong in racing cars has never seen Michele Mouton in an Audi Quattro. Stephen

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>From what I saw on the tv, all of her shopping fell over to one side of the >car causing her too lose control of her vehicle. Apparently, the resulting >hit with the wall smashed her two dozen eggs as well. It took the marshals >at least 10 minutes to clear up the nasty sticky mess on the side of the >track. Apart from that she had quite a nice afternoon out :) >Ben. >http://www.durley.demon.co.uk/gplgp3 > >Next year she will remember to place the goods in a safer fashion. >Stephen Ferguson wrote in message <3933c3e3$[email hidden]>... >>Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah Fisher. >>There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someone >tell >>me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). >> >>Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at >>average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of "amateurs". >> >>Stephen >> >> >>

All jokes aside, I would have LOVED to see her actually *win* the thing... <g> At *19*, and a FEMALE?!? Help me out, sports fans - Who's the youngest Indy 500 winner? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 30 May 2000 15:37:10 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Just curious. One of the "stories" for me this year would be Sarah Fisher. >There was no coverage of the race here in Switzerland, so could someone tell >me the details of her accident (cause, consequences?). > >Surprisingly accident free race. For so many cars running 500 miles at >average speeds above 200mph, that doesn't sound like a bunch of "amateurs". > >Stephen > > >

it is my opinion esp after hearing Lynn say she wasn't going to go up into the marbles and put herself out, that from my view Lynn came down from the outside position and Sarah was there. Sarah had nowhere to go with J.Lazier on the inside and the ladies touched. first St.James went into the wall, then after the touch, Sarah may have over corrected adn she slapped the wall also. not nearly as hard as StJames... Lazier went on uninvolved. setting this all up St.James also addmitted her car was not handling correctly, and TRIED to stay out of the way. i think Sarah and Jacques were dicing when they came up on Lynn and timing in the turn turned it into one of dem racin' deals....

On Wed, 31 May 2000 00:59:52 GMT, [email hidden] (bb) wrote: > they came up on Lynn and timing in the turn turned it >into one of dem racin' deals.... St. James was a rolling roadblock all day, going about 15-20 mph slower than the leaders the whole time. She should have been black flagged.

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> > She was doing her lipstick in her mirrors down the back straight. Lynne St > james was powdering her nose and dropped the compact. The resulting dust > cloud blinded Sarah, who was admiring her rouge anyway. To cut a long story > short, the medical centre was informed that two women had collided on track > and both were in need of cosmetic surgery. > > MS

ROTFLMAO!! Stop it, stop it!! You're killin me... -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons From the song "War Machine", 1982

>> Sarah met the wall after the other chick pushed her there... no, three > >Uh... Sarah pushed Lynn St. James into the wall... How is it >that you are confused about this? Well, quite honestly it was a matter of rookie driving mistakes on the part of two drivers, Fisher and Lazier. Three wide in the turns at Indy is a no-no. Add St James' poorly performing car (She was complaining of lacking power and having horrid push) being a virtual obstacle on the track, and it's just a bad situation all around. -Tim

In article <q7mZ4.152474$[email hidden]>, "Gary Wampler" <[email hidden]> writes: >Jacques Villenevue ?? > >> Help me out, sports fans - Who's the youngest Indy 500 winner? >. Thanks. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Jacques Villenevue ?? > Help me out, sports fans - Who's the youngest Indy 500 winner?.

Jacques Villenevue ?? .

You are correct. According to http://www.indy500.com/stats/pdf/race/Combinations.PDF "the youngest Indy500 winner was Troy Ruttman in 1952 at 22 years, 80 days old." I believe Jacques Villeneuve was 24 when he won the Indy 500 in 1995. "Tim 'Sundown' Traylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Was Jacques Villeneuve younger than Troy Ruttman? > >> Help me out, sports fans - Who's the youngest Indy 500 winner?