Re: (OT) Is that sign at the Indy 500 fake?

faaaaaaaake lol

I've never heard anyone mention anything about this, but at lots of races now there are computer-generated sponor ads they put on the grass, and i think today, on what looks like a sign. It's in turn 4 that you can only see from the frontstretch camera. It's on a pole that comes out of its side and bends down to the ground. It has a really fake-looking shadow and at first it said "Northern Lights" and right now it says "Indy 500." Has anyone noticed this? Is it real or fake? Where can i get more info on this?

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> I've never heard anyone mention anything about this, but at lots of races > now there are computer-generated sponor ads they put on the grass, and i > think today, on what looks like a sign. It's in turn 4 that you can only see > from the frontstretch camera. It's on a pole that comes out of its side and > bends down to the ground. It has a really fake-looking shadow and at first > it said "Northern Lights" and right now it says "Indy 500." Has anyone > noticed this? Is it real or fake? Where can i get more info on this? >

I thought I noticed that, too. If it's not fake (the shadow makes it a virtual certainty), then it's an engineering marvel. It didn't appear to have enough structural balance to stay upright. It starts at the ground and curves immediately away, with all the weight hung over to one side - no way it'd stay up. -- s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m

Although it's not my habit, I noticed in some football games this past season that they were "painting" the first down line on the screen. Neat trick. I presume it operates very much like the blue-screen backgrounds the weather man uses. Football fields, being relatively flat, would be easy to paint on. I suppose the only limitation is they have a good digital model of the surface they wrap the "textures" on. That plus knowing where the camera is located relative to the surface. What a wonderfully simple idea; I'll bet someone got very rich dreaming that one up. Michael. "BriGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8gs2dv$g3u$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > I've never heard anyone mention anything about this, but at lots ofraces > > now there are computer-generated sponor ads they put on the grass, and i > > think today, on what looks like a sign. It's in turn 4 that you can onlysee > > from the frontstretch camera. It's on a pole that comes out of its sideand > > bends down to the ground. It has a really fake-looking shadow and atfirst

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> > it said "Northern Lights" and right now it says "Indy 500." Has anyone > > noticed this? Is it real or fake? Where can i get more info on this? > > > I thought I noticed that, too. If it's not fake (the shadow makes it a > virtual certainty), then it's an engineering marvel. It didn't appear to > have enough structural balance to stay upright. It starts at the ground > and curves immediately away, with all the weight hung over to one side - > no way it'd stay up. > > -- > > s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m

Michael Young <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Although it's not my habit, I noticed in some football games this past > season that they were "painting" the first down line on the screen. Neat > trick. I presume it operates very much like the blue-screen backgroundsthe > weather man uses. Football fields, being relatively flat, would be easy to > paint on. I suppose the only limitation is they have a good digital modelof > the surface they wrap the "textures" on. That plus knowing where thecamera > is located relative to the surface. What a wonderfully simple idea; I'llbet > someone got very rich dreaming that one up. Here is a link to the company that created this. http://www.sportvision.com/ There is a pretty good technical explanation if you click the "1st & Ten Yellow Line" link to the right of the opening page. ~daxe

faaaaaaaake lol

>They've started using it here in the UK too for football (ie soccer). On the FA >Cup Final programme (20th May) a "virtual circle" white line was used to mark >ten yards from the ball (the distance defenders must retreat) for a free kick. Not just that, look out for the huge Virtual Screens that appear to rise out of the top of the stand at each ground, to give information on the players etc. Sky Sports to cover F1? *Shudder* -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

On Mon, 29 May 2000 01:45:07 GMT, Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote: > This is an idea Uncle Bernie has been looking at for F1. All the cars >would be painted GREEN and any sort of liveries could be pasted on them >real time during a race. Scrolling ads. Like the Goodyear blimp!

On Mon 29 May 2000 01:13:21am, Michael Young wrote: >Although it's not my habit, I noticed in some football games this >past season that they were "painting" the first down line on the >screen. Neat trick. They've started using it here in the UK too for football (ie soccer). On the FA Cup Final programme (20th May) a "virtual circle" white line was used to mark ten yards from the ball (the distance defenders must retreat) for a free kick. >I presume it operates very much like the >blue-screen backgrounds the weather man uses. Same in the UK. More weather here, though less severe on the whole... -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

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> I thought I noticed that, too. If it's not fake (the shadow makes it a > virtual certainty), then it's an engineering marvel. It didn't appear to > have enough structural balance to stay upright. It starts at the ground > and curves immediately away, with all the weight hung over to one side - > no way it'd stay up. > > -- > > s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m >

You dig a really deep hole. Dave

This is an idea Uncle Bernie has been looking at for F1. All the cars would be painted GREEN and any sort of liveries could be pasted on them real time during a race. The benefits are for the countries that don't allow Ciggarrette adds. Teams or probably Unckle Bernie himself would sell the cars on a race by race basis. I had heard the technical challenges at this time were too difficult, but it probably will be the wave of the future some day. dave henrie tampa wrote:

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> > I've never heard anyone mention anything about this, but at lots of races > now there are computer-generated sponor ads they put on the grass, and i > think today, on what looks like a sign. It's in turn 4 that you can only see > from the frontstretch camera. It's on a pole that comes out of its side and > bends down to the ground. It has a really fake-looking shadow and at first > it said "Northern Lights" and right now it says "Indy 500." Has anyone > noticed this? Is it real or fake? Where can i get more info on this?

On Sun, 28 May 2000 18:37:51 -0500, BriGuy <[email hidden]> wrote: > It starts at the ground >and curves immediately away, with all the weight hung over to one side - >no way it'd stay up. Yeah, it's fake. At the earlier IRL race at Phoenix, they had another of those computer generated things on a hillside. The past couple years they've had a phoney sponsor message on the grass in one of the turns. The series already has no credibility and now they damage themselves further with garbage like that...

Why do you say it is garbage? They have the technology to do it, and it is a lot cheaper than a real billboard, so what is the harm? I personally don't see anything wrong with it.... TW On Sun, 28 May 2000 23:03:31 -0500, The Black Cat =^..^= <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sun, 28 May 2000 18:37:51 -0500, BriGuy <[email hidden]> >wrote: >> It starts at the ground >>and curves immediately away, with all the weight hung over to one side - >>no way it'd stay up. > >Yeah, it's fake. At the earlier IRL race at Phoenix, they had another >of those computer generated things on a hillside. The past couple >years they've had a phoney sponsor message on the grass in one of the >turns. > >The series already has no credibility and now they damage themselves >further with garbage like that...

Todd Walker twalker294 at earthlink.net

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> > This is an idea Uncle Bernie has been looking at for F1. All the cars > would be painted GREEN and any sort of liveries could be pasted on them > real time during a race. The benefits are for the countries that don't > allow Ciggarrette adds. Teams or probably Unckle Bernie himself would > sell the cars on a race by race basis. I had heard the technical > challenges at this time were too difficult, but it probably will be the > wave of the future some day. > dave henrie >

And yes, it's Schumacher in a green car followed by Hakkinen, also in a green car. In the meanwhile, three green cars are battling for the 5th place 30 seconds behind. What about the race spectators? -Gregor

There was talk about the tobacco companies using these fake signs in F1 to resolve the conflict. By doing this, countries where cigarette advertising was banned would see an alternative advert whilst the rest of the world would get the word..... MS "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon 29 May 2000 01:13:21am, Michael Young wrote: > > >Although it's not my habit, I noticed in some football games this > >past season that they were "painting" the first down line on the > >screen. Neat trick. > > They've started using it here in the UK too for football (ie soccer). On

the FA > Cup Final programme (20th May) a "virtual circle" white line was used tomark > ten yards from the ball (the distance defenders must retreat) for a freekick.

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> > >I presume it operates very much like the > >blue-screen backgrounds the weather man uses. > > Same in the UK. More weather here, though less severe on the whole... > > -- > David. > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Any less credability than F1 where real signs fell onto the pitstraight on top of cars doing 180 mph. Ask Jean Alesi what he thinks....... MS > The series already has no credibility and now they damage themselves > further with garbage like that...

Has the FIA showed any consideration for them in the past? To loosely quote Max Mosely in a Eurosport interview: "With world wide TV audiences providing the bulk of the following for F1 and the main target of it's advertisers, the actual location of a GP doesn't really matter anymore." He was talking about moving away from European circuits with reference to the tabacco issue, but it also indicates they haven't given a passing thought to the fan that actually go to see the races. Jan. =--- Gregor Veble wrote...

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> Dave Henrie wrote: > <snip> > And yes, it's Schumacher in a green car followed by Hakkinen, also in a > green car. In the meanwhile, three green cars are battling for the 5th > place 30 seconds behind. > > What about the race spectators? > > -Gregor

Well fortunately it won't happen for a while yet. But I'd think it wouldn't be too different than trying to spot Schmacher or Barricello as they flew past. Granted you know it's a Ferrari, but unless you spot the helmet, you don't know which one...so a gaggle of green cars, probably with a name or number painted white and not coverable by the computer adds, would be how they attempt it. dave henrie Gregor Veble wrote:

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> > > And yes, it's Schumacher in a green car followed by Hakkinen, also in a > green car. In the meanwhile, three green cars are battling for the 5th > place 30 seconds behind. > > What about the race spectators? > > -Gregor

I was sitting in the 4th turn. There was no sign there. Its computer generated. I pointed it out to my brother and couldnt believe it. "tampa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gs2dv$g3u$[email hidden]... > I've never heard anyone mention anything about this, but at lots of races > now there are computer-generated sponor ads they put on the grass, and i > think today, on what looks like a sign. It's in turn 4 that you can onlysee > from the frontstretch camera. It's on a pole that comes out of its sideand > bends down to the ground. It has a really fake-looking shadow and at first > it said "Northern Lights" and right now it says "Indy 500." Has anyone > noticed this? Is it real or fake? Where can i get more info on this? > >

I worked for ESPN/ABC doing NASCAR races and a few Indy races while I was in college. This was my specialty.....it simply a computer that we can input graphics into and the computer will place them in a defined area. We can put it wherever...for example....in we have written Ping in the grass on a long fairway shot on a golf broadcast..... We can put advertisements between the goal posts of a football game while the game is going on....and of course the virtual first down marker. During baseball game while in the "center field shot" looking toward the pitcher and batter (the normal view) we can put advertisements on the backstop and "flip" the ad over when he pitches to show the speed of the pitch on the backstop. When it "flips" back over there's a new ad where the old ad was. The possibilities are endless. However, ABC is not really keen on using it to it's full potential. Why? Because they feel it would over-commericalize the games.....and thus turn away viewers. Lee [email hidden] dot com On Sun, 28 May 2000 19:13:21 -0500, "Michael Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Although it's not my habit, I noticed in some football games this past >season that they were "painting" the first down line on the screen. Neat >trick. I presume it operates very much like the blue-screen backgrounds the >weather man uses. Football fields, being relatively flat, would be easy to >paint on. I suppose the only limitation is they have a good digital model of >the surface they wrap the "textures" on. That plus knowing where the camera >is located relative to the surface. What a wonderfully simple idea; I'll bet >someone got very rich dreaming that one up. > >Michael. > > >"BriGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> In article <8gs2dv$g3u$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >> > I've never heard anyone mention anything about this, but at lots of >races >> > now there are computer-generated sponor ads they put on the grass, and i >> > think today, on what looks like a sign. It's in turn 4 that you can only >see >> > from the frontstretch camera. It's on a pole that comes out of its side >and >> > bends down to the ground. It has a really fake-looking shadow and at >first >> > it said "Northern Lights" and right now it says "Indy 500." Has anyone >> > noticed this? Is it real or fake? Where can i get more info on this? >> > >> I thought I noticed that, too. If it's not fake (the shadow makes it a >> virtual certainty), then it's an engineering marvel. It didn't appear to >> have enough structural balance to stay upright. It starts at the ground >> and curves immediately away, with all the weight hung over to one side - >> no way it'd stay up. >> >> -- >> >> s i m a g e r y @ h o t m a i l . c o m >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote > This is an idea Uncle Bernie has been looking at for F1. All the cars > would be painted GREEN and any sort of liveries could be pasted on them > real time during a race. Why do you think Bernie want his car more slow each year? Fast cars make for blurry advertising on the cars. Slow cars have a much more sharp allure on television. It's a fact! It's the only reason why he keeps adding groove on tyres. It's to make more money. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

"tampa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8gs2dv$g3u$[email hidden]... > I've never heard anyone mention anything about this, but at lots of races > now there are computer-generated sponor ads they put on the grass, and i > think today, on what looks like a sign. It's in turn 4 that you can onlysee > from the frontstretch camera. It's on a pole that comes out of its sideand > bends down to the ground. It has a really fake-looking shadow and at first > it said "Northern Lights" and right now it says "Indy 500." Has anyone > noticed this? Is it real or fake? Where can i get more info on this? I saw it too. A few times it even had Montoya's picture on it. A friend just stopped by to tell me he was at the race. He said there was a bunch of Big Screen monitors on the track. I figure these were installed for the F1 race since the Big screen's are kind of standard in F1. -- [email hidden]

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote > > This is an idea Uncle Bernie has been looking at for F1. All the cars > > would be painted GREEN and any sort of liveries could be pasted on them > > real time during a race. > > > Why do you think Bernie want his car more slow each year?

Because he is too old to drive fast anymore. > Fast cars make > for blurry advertising on the cars. Slow cars have a much more sharpallure > on television. It's a fact! It's the only reason why he keeps addinggroove > on tyres. It's to make more money. So a car doing 5 mph less and sliding around in corners, and running 2-5 mph faster on straights owing to less rolling resistance will make for better advertising?....Hmmm MS

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> > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't

realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world. > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Todd Walker) wrote: > Why do you say it is garbage? They have thetechnology to do it, and > it is a lot cheaper than a real billboard, sowhat is the harm? I > personally don't see anything wrong with it.... > > TW Well, it comes down to whether you think live event sports coverage is still journalism or is it hucksterism. Even though everything is sponsored these days, sports event coverage is still, I hope, journalism. I accept the premise that it is, and therefore I am opposed to the billboard, because the fake billboard displays something that appears to be at the event, but is not visible to the fans actually attending the race. It is fake news. And it was poorly done too. If they want to put up a real billboard at the track that changes every five laps then fine, but they should not fake one only for TV. And ABC, as the carrier of the race, should not have allowed themselves to be an accomplice in this fabrication of the scenery of the track. My 2 cents... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

yeah in a news paper you can't even flip the photograph and be ethically respected. Why should television be held to lower standards? What happens when they start fudging more important things? <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8j8pd5$8oq$[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Todd Walker) wrote: > > Why do you say it is garbage? They have the > technology to do it, and > > it is a lot cheaper than a real billboard, so > what is the harm? I > > personally don't see anything wrong with it.... > > > > TW > > Well, it comes down to whether you think live > event sports coverage is still journalism or is > it hucksterism. Even though everything is > sponsored these days, sports event coverage is > still, I hope, journalism. > > I accept the premise that it is, and therefore I > am opposed to the billboard, because the fake > billboard displays something that appears to be > at the event, but is not visible to the fans > actually attending the race. > > It is fake news. And it was poorly done too. If > they want to put up a real billboard at the track > that changes every five laps then fine, but they > should not fake one only for TV. And ABC, as the > carrier of the race, should not have allowed > themselves to be an accomplice in this > fabrication of the scenery of the track. > > My 2 cents... > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

And the track/promoters do not get the money for that sign going up... Meaning the punters have to pay more to get in. Book. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8j8pd5$8oq$[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Todd Walker) wrote: > > Why do you say it is garbage? They have the > technology to do it, and > > it is a lot cheaper than a real billboard, so > what is the harm? I > > personally don't see anything wrong with it.... > > > > TW > > Well, it comes down to whether you think live > event sports coverage is still journalism or is > it hucksterism. Even though everything is > sponsored these days, sports event coverage is > still, I hope, journalism. > > I accept the premise that it is, and therefore I > am opposed to the billboard, because the fake > billboard displays something that appears to be > at the event, but is not visible to the fans > actually attending the race. > > It is fake news. And it was poorly done too. If > they want to put up a real billboard at the track > that changes every five laps then fine, but they > should not fake one only for TV. And ABC, as the > carrier of the race, should not have allowed > themselves to be an accomplice in this > fabrication of the scenery of the track. > > My 2 cents... > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

> Well, it comes down to whether you think live > event sports coverage is still journalism or is > it hucksterism. Even though everything is > sponsored these days, sports event coverage is > still, I hope, journalism. Sports coverage hasn't been journalism for quite some time I'm afraid. You can blame the lawyers of the league owners, sponsors, and the television networks themselves. But it isn't journalism. If it were journalism you could film the sporting event yourself and sell your coverage and commentary. Try it and see what the lawyers say. It it were journalism EVERY news orginization could cover it, instead of it being sold to the single highest bidder. Journalism DEPENDS on multiple coverage. It IS all sales, marketing, hype and hucksterism. Sports themselves are nearly there as well. Give it a couple more years. Bernie's working on it.