Re: Lap at Spa - my comments (long)

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EXXY4.7687$[email hidden]... > Would be interesting to know what the other group members think of my > appreciation of the lap (now that I've broken the ice, as it were), feel > free to comment (it can only help Eldred). That's about it. Overall, and in a nutshell, Eldred needs to use more of the track. That, and slow down the entrance on some of those curves -- Les Combes, Malmedy, and Stavelot especially -- to get a better line. Not bad, but could be improved. Entrance to Eau Rouge is way wide. You need to enter from the far left at the bridge, apex the right hander, and aim through the embankment for the apex for the left hander. It should definitely feel like you're aiming to drive *through* the embankment to hit that apex. (I've actually plowed into that when I got in too slow to drift wide, probably by not being far enough left at the first entrance.) Les Combes is a question mark. This is one of my favorite passing spots; you need to be able to drive both the normal and inside lines. As it were, this one was a little too far inside, and a little late on the brakes, forcing a tighter turn at the midpoint. I was, and still am, amazed at what you can get away with in this corner. I wouldn't drive it as a double apex hairpin, though, as he did in this lap. Still, not bad. Burnenville has a small straight, or at least relaxes radius, connecting the second, tighter segment. You should be able to run flat out in the first part, relax steering, and catch your balance before turning in again. A moderate lift plants the nose for the turn-in and gets the speed where it needs to be. You need to stay on the inside half of the track to take advantage of the road crown. Also, even the Weslake doesn't have much acceleration potential with the wheel cranked. It's important to get the entry speed right. Not so high that you drift over the crown, and not so low because you haven't got the power to gain it back before Malmedy. At Malmedy, a little slow coming over the peak, but too fast turning in for the first right hander, causing him to drift off line for the first left hand entrance. Scrubbed too much speed waiting for the tires to bite again. Turn in for the left hander was a little early, again bringing him off line for the right hand exit. The final right hander didn't apex. Use more of the road, and get the speed down in the entrance. Try lining up for a straight shot at the first entrance while you're still coming up the hill on brakes. Masta turn-in was too early and gentle, followed by tightening the turn turn twice before setting up for the right hand. Not bad, but need to turn once and balance the car. Again, use more of the road, and hit a definite apex. This is especially difficult on blind apex turns, such as here and at Eau Rouge. You have to mentally see the apex and exit when you're turning in. Stavelot also could have started farther to the outside on turn-in. There are three definite segments in this turn. The lift here should be progressive, and it should feel like a balancing act with the throttle. I end up squeezing in a little more than neutral throttle shortly after dropping to fourth, to get the weight back on the rears through the middle segment, before dropping down to third and sweeping in for the (again blind) very late apex. Entry for the third segment was a little fast, causing him to drift wide onto the bad side of the crown before recovering for apex. Cottage was OK, although the preceding kink could have been tighter to the left-side embankment. This would give more road to use through the right hand kink. Quarry is a tough corner to coach. I still don't have landmarks here, gauging turn-in from a spot near apex instead. The road crown just before and after apex is steep enough to help, and I like to use it to tighten this corner. The exit is somewhat tricky; it sometimes doesn't "feel" like it will take it, causing you to lift unnecessarily. Other times, it feels like you nailed it, but you end up drifting to the embankment. At any rate, time spent on exiting this correctly helps tons in the long straight leading to Blanchimont. Braking for Blanchimont can be deeper. This is one of the few places where threshold braking really helps. Again, you need to use more of the road, and hit a definite apex. Of all the corners at Spa, this first left hander feels most like a classic textbook corner. Exiting Blanchimont for La Source, I find myself on the right side of the track, almost hugging the rail until flicking past the sign post on the right. The lift on entrance is very shallow, before getting back on the gas to settle the rear. You need a definite braking marker for La Source. I gauge this from the said sign post on the right side of the track. About half a heartbeat past it is about right. There's little need to point out that threshold and trail braking are key elements here. You need to watch out for the slope change at the top, and moderate your braking accordingly. Also, the transition to neutral throttle has to be quick but not abrupt. I hope this helps. You're really close to making a breakthrough. Michael.

>Ok, I posted a lap from Spa in the alt.binaries.simulators.autos group. It's >a >3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. I've got a comment Eldred... You're making me look bad now. LOL I can run 1:04.8 at Watkins Glen and 1:27.9 at Monza, but I can only run 3:20 on a great lap at Spa, usually I run 3:21s and 3:22s though ::sigh:: ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Team Racing Unlimited http://simcrash.00game.com

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>>Ok, I posted a lap from Spa in the alt.binaries.simulators.autos group. >It's >>a >>3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. > > >I've got a comment Eldred... You're making me look bad now. LOL I can run >1:04.8 at Watkins Glen and 1:27.9 at Monza, but I can only run 3:20 on a >great >lap at Spa, usually I run 3:21s and 3:22s though ::sigh:: >

Dan, how does that make you look bad? You're 3 seconds faster at the Glen and Monza, and 4 seconds faster at Spa? In other words, you're still faster... Besides, that 3:24 lap was the only one of about 15 that I completed without stuffing it in a fence somewhere...<sigh> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Ok, I posted a lap from Spa in the alt.binaries.simulators.autos group. >It's a >> 3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. >> >> Eldred >> -- >> Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >> Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc >> >> Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats >you >> with experience... >> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >Sure, you're going seconds a lap faster than me. Can you give me any >pointers? >

Bwahahahahaha! Sorry - I just never expected to hear THAT... :) Man, I just lucked up on THAT lap. Out of about 15 laps, that was the only one under about 3:40. On the other ones, I wore out the Shift-R. As a matter of fact, right after I completed that lap, I got it *all* wrong at Eau Rouge...<ouch> I gave up after that... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ok, I posted a lap from Spa in the alt.binaries.simulators.autos group. It's a 3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ok, I posted a lap from Spa in the alt.binaries.simulators.autos group. It's a 3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, I posted a lap from Spa in the alt.binaries.simulators.autos group.It's a

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> 3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. Sure, you're going seconds a lap faster than me. Can you give me any pointers?

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > > > > Bwahahahahaha! > Sorry - I just never expected to hear THAT... :) > Man, I just lucked up on THAT lap. Out of about 15 laps, that was the

only one > under about 3:40. On the other ones, I wore out the Shift-R. As a matterof

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> fact, right after I completed that lap, I got it *all* wrong at Eau > Rouge...<ouch> I gave up after that... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc

The fact of the matter is that your PB is now about 2.5 seconds faster than mine. Ok, I'll kick your butt in a race, maybe twice in the same race, but you just might outqualify me. That's a start. Personally I believe in the Rudy Ulenhaut school of driving. Ignore speed. Just drive around. LINE is the all improtant issue, pratice keeping it on the road and on the line. Drive as slow as you have to to accomplish this. Do this long enough and speed comes of its own accord in tiny increments over time. This is why I would beat you in a race. I'm no hot lapper, although I adore spending hours of solo practice. I'm a racer. By learning the way I do I can run within tenths of my personal best at most tracks lap, after lap, after lap. I almost never go off the road without help. I get beat by people who shift-r more than one time a race now and again, but the day will come when I'm just as fast as they are, and DON'T go off the road. It will take a lot of laps to reach that point, but that's all. Just practice.

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> > > > > > > > > Bwahahahahaha! > > Sorry - I just never expected to hear THAT... :) > > Man, I just lucked up on THAT lap. Out of about 15 laps, that was the > only one > > under about 3:40. On the other ones, I wore out the Shift-R. As a

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> of > > fact, right after I completed that lap, I got it *all* wrong at Eau > > Rouge...<ouch> I gave up after that... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > The fact of the matter is that your PB is now about 2.5 seconds faster

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> mine. Ok, I'll kick your butt in a race, maybe twice in the same race, but > you just might outqualify me. That's a start. > > Personally I believe in the Rudy Ulenhaut school of driving. Ignore speed. > Just drive around. LINE is the all improtant issue, pratice keeping it on > the road and on the line. Drive as slow as you have to to accomplish this. > Do this long enough and speed comes of its own accord in tiny increments > over time. > > This is why I would beat you in a race. I'm no hot lapper, although I

adore > spending hours of solo practice. I'm a racer. By learning the way I do Ican > run within tenths of my personal best at most tracks lap, after lap, after > lap. I almost never go off the road without help. I get beat by peoplewho > shift-r more than one time a race now and again, but the day will comewhen > I'm just as fast as they are, and DON'T go off the road. > > It will take a lot of laps to reach that point, but that's all. Just > practice. >Like the philosophy Kevin. Further admire your restraint. My problem is that as soon as I get flowing and at peace with the car, someone (she who commands) says "turn that bloody thing down". That's excuse 27B on page 235. It *always* results in a spin. Tony

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> Right Eldred, brace yourself.<g> > > Seriously, it's not that bad. Consistency is something you need to work on > though (ReplayAnalyser shows other laptimes in the session ;-)). I feel > quite pedantic disecting your driving like this, but as I suggested it in > first place, I can't chicken out now. > > On the whole I have my doubts about the gears in that setup, but the car > seems to accellerate well enough and there's more to be gained from

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> style than setup at this time. > > Let's take it step by step. I made notes (lines starting with dashes) as I > watched the replay and will reproduce them below together with comments. > Keep in mind I made these notes on the fly, so there was no time to dress > them up and make them sound "nice"... hope you understand. > > Eau Rouge: > > -lined it up wrong, causing downshift to 2nd... > > You should have started this section further over to the left (nearly > brushing the wall is optimum). > > Les Combes: > > - allowed car to drift too far left in preceding kink --> too much speed

for > hard turn in (entry too shallow) --> turn not tight enough --> too late on > power down the hill. > > The Weslake V12 saved you there, but you can gain loads from keeping it > tighter through the kink (even if you have to lift) and a classic slowin -

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> fast out line through the turn. > > Burnenville: > > - ok-ish, moved to inside a little early and lost some speed. > > Stavelot: > > - not bad... did not slow enough and therefore 2nd part not tight enough, > costing accelleration down the hill (again). > > I suggest you shift down to 3rd a little earlier and really turn in > agressively for the 2nd part (aim the car at the flags before you can see > the apex). Running your inside wheels off the track is a possibility. > Basically you should be aiming to get the power down as hard as possible,

as > early as possible... there's a long, long fast section following thisbend.

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> Ideally you should be shifting to 5th as you reach the wall to the left on > the exit, but again, I don't know if that's possible using your current > gears. Just try to go up the box as quickly as possible, taking full > advantage of the downhill slope. > > Masta: > > - missed turn-in and therefore apex of 1st part. Amazing recovery and > accelleration though. > > Caroll Smith's Fundamental Truth nr. 2 (about racing lines) states: "The > faster the corner, the earlier the apex". Masta is a _very_ fast corner. > Give yourself room to "make it" and die less often. ;-) > > Malmedy: > > - not bad, could be tighter, could release more on exit, but adequate. > > La Carriere: > > - doesn't use enough track. (you notice I ran out of time because of

longish > notes in Masta / Malmedy ;-)) > > There's some time to be found in this section, even after you start using > the whole track (and then some <g>), but I can't do it consistentlyeither,

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> so I tend to err on the side of safety here. > > > Blanchimont: > > - not good. Wrong approach, uses 1/3rd of track. > > The kink before the braking zone should be approached from the left, > allowing you to stay on the throttle longer. Try to stay/drive out wider

for > your turn-ins and run your inside wheels across the dirt. Reallystraigthen

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> those turns, it pays dividents. > > Left hand kink before La Source: > > - very good, nice use of track, good line. > > La Source: > > -brakes too early yet carries too much speed. > > Eventhough you start braking quite early (about 30m before I normally do), > you carry a lot of speed into the turn, which you then have to scrub

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> you can get on the power again. > > I found out something interesting comparing my lap to yours using GPL > SpyGirl and ReplayAnalyser (must have utilities, see your favourite GPL > site) : You go from being 0.2s behind at the exit of Eau Rouge to 1.4s in > front at the start of the La Carriere section and drop back to 0.3s ahead > after La Source, losing the better part of that time in the Blanchimont > section. If you merge the laps in SpyGirl you can see a very grafic > demonstration of this... I gain like the proverbial cannonball through

that > section. > > Right that's it... IMO a low 3m21s is yours with a little practise andmore > use of the track. I don't know what your mindset is when you're drivingbut

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> you need to be aware of such things. I regularly need to remind myself to > keep focused and "use" the car. > > How's your relation to the car BTW, do you anticipate it's behaviour and > therefore take it where you want to go or are you just reacting to it and > coaxing it where you want to be going? > > Would be interesting to know what the other group members think of my > appreciation of the lap (now that I've broken the ice, as it were), feel > free to comment (it can only help Eldred). > > Cheers, > > Jan.

Would be very intersested in seeing the replay to compare with your notes Jan. Eldred - do you mind reposting? It was not there when i looked. Tony BTW - alt.binaries is a bit scary when you're wondering whether it was sport or sims so you type "s" . I wasn't prepared to look at alt.binaries.spanking...

To over-simplify yet again, drive the entry the same as you do the apex: pick the point, and hit it. :-) Pick a turn-in point outside the pavement, and pick an apex point inside the pavement. Last, and not least, don't forget to pick a track-out point someplace reasonable. Once you hit all three consistently, it's a matter of picking better ones. *Be* the line. :-) Michael. "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If I may . . . My PB at Spa is 3:26 and in looking at EldredP's lap I > can see some of the same mistakes that I also make. The main one being > not using the whole track!. My problem is that I can not force myself > to trust the image I am seeing, as in I turn in too early! What is the > best way to force yourself to use the whole track? I have this problem > at all the other tracks also. I tend to turn in way too early. Do I > need someone with a ruler next to me when I am racing to whack me when > I turn in early? I have noticed that some times I try to wait, and > find I waited too long. Then I am just mowing the grass, spinning on > my head, or who knows what.

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>If I may . . . My PB at Spa is 3:26 and in looking at EldredP's lap I >can see some of the same mistakes that I also make. The main one being >not using the whole track!. My problem is that I can not force myself >to trust the image I am seeing, as in I turn in too early! What is the >best way to force yourself to use the whole track? I have this problem >at all the other tracks also. I tend to turn in way too early. Do I >need someone with a ruler next to me when I am racing to whack me when >I turn in early? I have noticed that some times I try to wait, and >find I waited too long. Then I am just mowing the grass, spinning on >my head, or who knows what. >

Same here. There's no 'in-between'. My normal turn-in doesn't use the whole track. If I *try* to turn later, then I use WAY too much...<g> >SLG >(They guy who still must apologize, again for Zandy last night! Yes it >was bad!) > The F2 race? That was kinda fun, even if I *couldn't* keep it on the track... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> <snip> >> At Malmedy <snip> Masta <snip> Stavelot <snip> > >I didn't, did I?? <checks>.... > >Yup, I did. Mixed up the two corner names. How embarrassing (for a >Belgian)!!! ;-))

I wondered about that. I ended up thinking *I* mixed up the corner names...<whew> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Eldred, I think the biggest problem with your driving style is that >you're not driving smooth enough. Too often when you exit a corner, >you hit the gas, let it go a little bit, affraid of losing it, and >then you get back on the gas. >That's caused by not being SURE you'll make the corner. I guess I'm gunshy after often dropping a wheel off the track, and doing spins down the straight...<g>

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>Like Greger wrote in his last post, it's all about exiting corners as >fast as possible. Once you exit a corner, you should get back on the >gas as soon as possible, without hesistating afterwards. Make sure you >exit the corner in an as straight as possible line, and don't brake or >let go of the gas untill it's really necessary. If you overdo it, try >to exit the corner a little later next time, untill you get the hang >of it. Then you can try to exit the corner just a little bit sooner >next time. > >Have you ever compared your replays with GPLDump and GPL Replay >Analyzer? You can learn so much from this. Especially the Replay >Analyzer is perfect for comparing where the fast guys exit a corner >and where you exit it.

Yes I have. For some reason, I'm not seing WHY I'm losing time, except maybe I just *can't* drive the same line that they do...(lack of control). Even on corners where it seems I'm using the same line, I can't duplicate results. Maybe I should start blaming the hardware(computer, wheel, etc) <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Alas, it was over all too soon. 3 mins and 24 secs after I first 'joined' >him, BAM, I was dropped out of Eldred head and onto the side of the New >Jersey turnpike. :( > >I cannot wait to get back to that door. I cannot wait to get back in >Eldred's head. > >Does anyone know the way from NJ to Southern Ontario, Canada??????????? > > >MRSisson >

Aw, fer cryin' out loud... That's just SILLY...sheesh! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Allthough I didn't have the same experience you had, while I watched >Eldred's replay yesterday, I had the same feeling. Very amusing to see >a replay from someone else, you just know what he felt and thought >when he was driving his lap! > >Andre >

Wall - bad, finish line - good.... -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hehe, that film was great, wasn't it? :-) And funnily written this was too ("such precision and poise")! :-))) ---Asgeir--- >

In article <8h1kad$cl6$[email hidden]>, "Tony Lake" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Would be very intersested in seeing the replay to compare with your notes >Jan. Eldred - do you mind reposting? It was not there when i looked. >Tony > >BTW - alt.binaries is a bit scary when you're wondering whether it was sport >or sims so you type "s" . I wasn't prepared to look at >alt.binaries.spanking... >

Alt.binaries.spanking?!? I don't know why that even *surprises* me... There's a lot of WEIRD stuff out there.<g> No problem, I'll post it again. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <EXXY4.7687$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Right Eldred, brace yourself.<g> > >Seriously, it's not that bad. Consistency is something you need to work on >though (ReplayAnalyser shows other laptimes in the session ;-)). I feel >quite pedantic disecting your driving like this, but as I suggested it in >first place, I can't chicken out now. Rats - ReplayAnalyser even shows times on laps that WEREN'T included?!? How embarrassing... Like I said, I had one good lap out of about 15...<sigh> I understand about Blanchimont(although I thought that was the turn right before La Source?) Anyway, I can't SEE the right hand kink before it that well. I'm sure that's a BIG part of my problem. It's hard to hit an apex you can't see until you're within 10 feet of it...<g> Eldred p.s. thanks for the suggestions... I'll print them out and study them. Hopefully, I'll be doing a LOT better in two weeks(I'll tell you why later...). -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <AqVY4.9939$[email hidden]>, "Kevin Gavitt" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>The fact of the matter is that your PB is now about 2.5 seconds faster than >mine. Ok, I'll kick your butt in a race, maybe twice in the same race, but >you just might outqualify me. That's a start. > >Personally I believe in the Rudy Ulenhaut school of driving. Ignore speed. >Just drive around. LINE is the all improtant issue, pratice keeping it on >the road and on the line. Drive as slow as you have to to accomplish this. >Do this long enough and speed comes of its own accord in tiny increments >over time. > >This is why I would beat you in a race. I'm no hot lapper, although I adore >spending hours of solo practice. I'm a racer. By learning the way I do I can >run within tenths of my personal best at most tracks lap, after lap, after >lap. I almost never go off the road without help. I get beat by people who >shift-r more than one time a race now and again, but the day will come when >I'm just as fast as they are, and DON'T go off the road. > >It will take a lot of laps to reach that point, but that's all. Just >practice.

I can do 3:30's all day in a race(I think). In my online races, I pride myself on not making too many 'unforced errors'. I'm not FAST, but I'm clean(usually). Against the AI is another matter... If I could figure out how to duplicate that 3:24, though - I might be able to give the Flying Scot a run for 'is money...<g> I need to find time for those 'hours of solo practice'... How do you *do* that? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Right Eldred, brace yourself.<g> Seriously, it's not that bad. Consistency is something you need to work on though (ReplayAnalyser shows other laptimes in the session ;-)). I feel quite pedantic disecting your driving like this, but as I suggested it in first place, I can't chicken out now. On the whole I have my doubts about the gears in that setup, but the car seems to accellerate well enough and there's more to be gained from driving style than setup at this time. Let's take it step by step. I made notes (lines starting with dashes) as I watched the replay and will reproduce them below together with comments. Keep in mind I made these notes on the fly, so there was no time to dress them up and make them sound "nice"... hope you understand. Eau Rouge: -lined it up wrong, causing downshift to 2nd... You should have started this section further over to the left (nearly brushing the wall is optimum). Les Combes: - allowed car to drift too far left in preceding kink --> too much speed for hard turn in (entry too shallow) --> turn not tight enough --> too late on power down the hill. The Weslake V12 saved you there, but you can gain loads from keeping it tighter through the kink (even if you have to lift) and a classic slow in - fast out line through the turn. Burnenville: - ok-ish, moved to inside a little early and lost some speed. Stavelot: - not bad... did not slow enough and therefore 2nd part not tight enough, costing accelleration down the hill (again). I suggest you shift down to 3rd a little earlier and really turn in agressively for the 2nd part (aim the car at the flags before you can see the apex). Running your inside wheels off the track is a possibility. Basically you should be aiming to get the power down as hard as possible, as early as possible... there's a long, long fast section following this bend. Ideally you should be shifting to 5th as you reach the wall to the left on the exit, but again, I don't know if that's possible using your current gears. Just try to go up the box as quickly as possible, taking full advantage of the downhill slope. Masta: - missed turn-in and therefore apex of 1st part. Amazing recovery and accelleration though. Caroll Smith's Fundamental Truth nr. 2 (about racing lines) states: "The faster the corner, the earlier the apex". Masta is a _very_ fast corner. Give yourself room to "make it" and die less often. ;-) Malmedy: - not bad, could be tighter, could release more on exit, but adequate. La Carriere: - doesn't use enough track. (you notice I ran out of time because of longish notes in Masta / Malmedy ;-)) There's some time to be found in this section, even after you start using the whole track (and then some <g>), but I can't do it consistently either, so I tend to err on the side of safety here. Blanchimont: - not good. Wrong approach, uses 1/3rd of track. The kink before the braking zone should be approached from the left, allowing you to stay on the throttle longer. Try to stay/drive out wider for your turn-ins and run your inside wheels across the dirt. Really straigthen those turns, it pays dividents. Left hand kink before La Source: - very good, nice use of track, good line. La Source: -brakes too early yet carries too much speed. Eventhough you start braking quite early (about 30m before I normally do), you carry a lot of speed into the turn, which you then have to scrub before you can get on the power again. I found out something interesting comparing my lap to yours using GPL SpyGirl and ReplayAnalyser (must have utilities, see your favourite GPL site) : You go from being 0.2s behind at the exit of Eau Rouge to 1.4s in front at the start of the La Carriere section and drop back to 0.3s ahead after La Source, losing the better part of that time in the Blanchimont section. If you merge the laps in SpyGirl you can see a very grafic demonstration of this... I gain like the proverbial cannonball through that section. Right that's it... IMO a low 3m21s is yours with a little practise and more use of the track. I don't know what your mindset is when you're driving but you need to be aware of such things. I regularly need to remind myself to keep focused and "use" the car. How's your relation to the car BTW, do you anticipate it's behaviour and therefore take it where you want to go or are you just reacting to it and coaxing it where you want to be going? Would be interesting to know what the other group members think of my appreciation of the lap (now that I've broken the ice, as it were), feel free to comment (it can only help Eldred). Cheers, Jan. =--- EldredP wrote... > Ok, I posted a lap from Spa in the alt.binaries.simulators.autos group.It's a

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> 3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

One word Tony: headphones. May I suggest AKG K300 closed shell headphones... not only do they sound great and keep the game sound/music away from other room occupants, they also _BLOCK_ enviromental sound. <vwg> Jan. =--- Tony Lake wrote...

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> <snip> > Like the philosophy Kevin. Further admire your restraint. > > My problem is that as soon as I get flowing and at peace with the car, > someone (she who commands) says "turn that bloody thing down". > That's excuse 27B on page 235. It *always* results in a spin. > Tony > >

Wait another 24hrs before reposting Eldred... the post has no propagated to my local cable isp yet as well (I nabbed the lap off my commercial news account). If you don't mind I'll mail the lap to Tony. Tony Lake wrote... > <snip> > Would be very intersested in seeing the replay to compare with your notes > Jan. Eldred - do you mind reposting? It was not there when i looked. > Tony > > BTW - alt.binaries is a bit scary when you're wondering whether it wassport > or sims so you type "s" . I wasn't prepared to look at > alt.binaries.spanking... Hehehe... you should see some of subjects in the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica -groups. (not to mention the stuff posted there ;-)). Jan. =---

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> > One word Tony: headphones. > > May I suggest AKG K300 closed shell headphones... not only do they sound > great and keep the game sound/music away from other room occupants, they > also _BLOCK_ enviromental sound. <vwg> >

Until you start cursing at Surtees at the top of your lungs! <g> -- Chuck Kandler #70 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Your freedom's just a state of mind. --Gene Simmons From the song "War Machine", 1982

Eau Rouge just isn't fair. If you are anything like me, the distribution of the times you have traveled corners drops from corner to corner until you get to Eau Rouge at speed, which is probably only 10% of the times I've taken Eau Rouge on warmup ;) Strangely, the number of times I've run Stavelot is much less than the number of times I've run the first half of Masta ;) - Matt

I didn't look at the replay, but just want to say that just from geometry, the difference in speed through a corner and exit speed you can gain through using just a few feet more of track is much greater for turns less than 90 degrees than it is for larger turns. (The classical racing line can be MUCH larger radius than the inner or outer radius in this kind of turn.) Or in engineering-eese, ;) if you plot delta velocity per extra foot used you get much more for the shallower turns. Or, fixing a foot of line error in a turn adds more speed through a shallow corner than it will in a tight one. Knowing this must be why I tend to go off the outside edge of shallow turns so much trying for every mph. This esoterica is only of interest to drivers that don't use the proper line, like me ;)

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> 3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. I was goofing off tonight, trying to find stuff to keep me busy, fiddling with one game or another. Finally decided to clean up the 'office' a bit. Moved a file cabinet to get at some papers loaded up with passwords for message boards and emails and online game services. There was a small door back there. Opened it of course. Was very dark and dank. Crawled inside (had to, otherwise there wouldn't be a movi... errr post) to take a look. Started sliding, slipping, down, further and faster till whooooosh... There I was, in Eldred Picketts head!!!!!!!!! It was amazing! The most amazing thing I had ever experienced! I was BEING Eldred Pickett!! He was driving a '67 F1 car around Spa. What a sense of speed, what a rush! Watching him shifting and drifting with such precision and poise through those terrifying corners. Taking that hunk of metal buy the scruff of the neck and taming it, making it jump gracefully thro hoops for him. Alas, it was over all too soon. 3 mins and 24 secs after I first 'joined' him, BAM, I was dropped out of Eldred head and onto the side of the New Jersey turnpike. :( I cannot wait to get back to that door. I cannot wait to get back in Eldred's head. Does anyone know the way from NJ to Southern Ontario, Canada??????????? MRSisson

On Wed, 31 May 2000 04:45:53 GMT, "Michael Sisson" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I was goofing off tonight, trying to find stuff to keep me busy, fiddling >with one game or another. Finally decided to clean up the 'office' a bit. >Moved a file cabinet to get at some papers loaded up with passwords for >message boards and emails and online game services. There was a small door >back there. Opened it of course. Was very dark and dank. >Crawled inside (had to, otherwise there wouldn't be a movi... errr post) to >take a look. Started sliding, slipping, down, further and faster till >whooooosh...

<snip> >MRSisson Allthough I didn't have the same experience you had, while I watched Eldred's replay yesterday, I had the same feeling. Very amusing to see a replay from someone else, you just know what he felt and thought when he was driving his lap! Andre

Tony Lake <[email hidden]> wrote in message > My problem is that as soon as I get flowing and at peace with the car, > someone (she who commands) says "turn that bloody thing down". > That's excuse 27B on page 235. It *always* results in a spin. Try wearing headphones - that's what I do. -- Trevor Nb Lady Elgar - Grand Union Canal (UK)

Eldred, I think the biggest problem with your driving style is that you're not driving smooth enough. Too often when you exit a corner, you hit the gas, let it go a little bit, affraid of losing it, and then you get back on the gas. Like Greger wrote in his last post, it's all about exiting corners as fast as possible. Once you exit a corner, you should get back on the gas as soon as possible, without hesistating afterwards. Make sure you exit the corner in an as straight as possible line, and don't brake or let go of the gas untill it's really necessary. If you overdo it, try to exit the corner a little later next time, untill you get the hang of it. Then you can try to exit the corner just a little bit sooner next time. Have you ever compared your replays with GPLDump and GPL Replay Analyzer? You can learn so much from this. Especially the Replay Analyzer is perfect for comparing where the fast guys exit a corner and where you exit it. Andre On 30 May 2000 17:03:24 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>Ok, I posted a lap from Spa in the alt.binaries.simulators.autos group. It's a >3:24.33, or so. Any comments? Be nice, please.<g> Thanks. > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Michael Young wrote... > <snip> > I was, and still am, amazed at what you can get away with in > this corner. I wouldn't drive it as a double apex hairpin, > though, as he did in this lap. Still, not bad. Exactly, looking at the merged replay Eldred passes me just before the corner, but my line alllows a higher apex speed. I also get on the gas sooner. Yet, it's only good enough to get back on his gearbox as he uses the Eagle to rocket down the hill. > <snip> > At Malmedy <snip> Masta <snip> Stavelot <snip> I didn't, did I?? <checks>.... Yup, I did. Mixed up the two corner names. How embarrassing (for a Belgian)!!! ;-)) > <snip> > Quarry is a tough corner to coach. I still don't have landmarks here, > gauging turn-in from a spot near apex instead. The road crown just before > and after apex is steep enough to help, and I like to use it to tightenthis > corner. The exit is somewhat tricky; it sometimes doesn't "feel" like it > will take it, causing you to lift unnecessarily. Other times, it feelslike > you nailed it, but you end up drifting to the embankment. At any rate,time > spent on exiting this correctly helps tons in the long straight leading to > Blanchimont. I think this one is keeping me from entering the sub-3m20s laps (PB of 3m20.10s at Spa), but as you say there's no real landmarks and the line I took to do the 3m20 is already of the none-repeatable kind, cutting the corner severely. One of the crucial corners at Spa. > <snip> > I hope this helps. You're really close to making a breakthrough. Yes, I have this feeling Eldred is very close to what the French call "le declick". I.e. pretty soon things will start falling into place. Jan. =---

Lol, I'm sorry Eldred!! ;-)) Jan. =---

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> > And funnily written this was too ("such precision and poise")! :-))) > > ---Asgeir--- > > > >

The technical term for this sentence is "Yodafied." Hmmmm?

On 31 May 2000 15:05:31 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>>Allthough I didn't have the same experience you had, while I watched >>Eldred's replay yesterday, I had the same feeling. Very amusing to see >>a replay from someone else, you just know what he felt and thought >>when he was driving his lap! >> >>Andre >> > >Wall - bad, finish line - good....

See, it worked, that was exactly what I thought! :) Andre

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>-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If I may . . . My PB at Spa is 3:26 and in looking at EldredP's lap I can see some of the same mistakes that I also make. The main one being not using the whole track!. My problem is that I can not force myself to trust the image I am seeing, as in I turn in too early! What is the best way to force yourself to use the whole track? I have this problem at all the other tracks also. I tend to turn in way too early. Do I need someone with a ruler next to me when I am racing to whack me when I turn in early? I have noticed that some times I try to wait, and find I waited too long. Then I am just mowing the grass, spinning on my head, or who knows what. SLG (They guy who still must apologize, again for Zandy last night! Yes it was bad!) "Matthew V. Jessick" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I didn't look at the replay, but just want to say that >just from geometry, the difference in speed through a corner and >exit speed you can gain through using just a few feet more of track >is much greater for turns less than 90 degrees than it is for >larger turns. (The classical racing line can be MUCH larger >radius than the inner or outer radius in this kind of turn.) > >Or in engineering-eese, ;) >if you plot delta velocity per extra foot used >you get much more for the shallower turns. >Or, fixing a foot of line error in a turn >adds more speed through a shallow corner than >it will in a tight one. > >Knowing this must be why I tend to go off the outside edge of >shallow turns so much trying for every mph. >This esoterica is only of interest to drivers that don't use >the proper line, like me ;) > > >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

The force is strong in the Vege Racing Community... ;-) Jan./Obi-Jan on WinVROC =---- Kevin Gavitt wrote... > <snip> > The technical term for this sentence is "Yodafied." Hmmmm?

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>>Rats - ReplayAnalyser even shows times on laps that WEREN'T >included?!? How >>embarrassing... > >So does SpyGirl. I watched that lap, your not as bad as you let on. >If you can get consistency and string a bunch of those together, you >could probably get some decent online race results. > >Were going to have to find a new mascot around here.

LOL! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > A braking point, I can see. Either a brake marker, or a sign. Picking a > 'turn-in' point isn;t so easy. Either there isn't a definite marker, orI'm > too busy just trying to control the car under braking to pick out aspecific > 'point'. How do you do that? I read the same thing on one of the websites, > and also "Going Faster". I've never had a turn-in *point*. It's usuallya > combination of feel and luck, based on the stopping distance in thecurrent > corner. I don't think this one will be easy to fix... :( Hmmm; I see your point. No, I'm not looking at the turn-in point it the instant I'm turning in. Pick a definite target point for the outside front tire. You want to roll over that point at the same speed, in the same direction every time. Truth to tell, I don't know how close they are to where I actually turn the wheel. Once I'm sure of where the car is in relation to that point, I pick up actual turn-in cue from the apex itself. I know, at all three points -- turn-in, apex, and track-out -- precisely how I want the car to be situated, and what I want to be doing with the controls. Even when an embankment is in the way, I try to have a clear picture of all three, and the tire tracks I need to ride to hit them. It's only partially feel, and hopefully never luck. You need a plan. But nobody said it will be easy. Also, I'm not sure which is more satisfying: the pure adrenaline excitement of surprising myself, or the exacting tedium of hitting my line, and numbers. Michael.

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>To over-simplify yet again, drive the entry the same as you do the apex: >pick the point, and hit it. :-) Pick a turn-in point outside the pavement, >and pick an apex point inside the pavement. Last, and not least, don't >forget to pick a track-out point someplace reasonable. Once you hit all >three consistently, it's a matter of picking better ones. > >*Be* the line. :-) > >Michael. > >"Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> If I may . . . My PB at Spa is 3:26 and in looking at EldredP's lap I >> can see some of the same mistakes that I also make. The main one being >> not using the whole track!. My problem is that I can not force myself >> to trust the image I am seeing, as in I turn in too early! What is the >> best way to force yourself to use the whole track? I have this problem >> at all the other tracks also. I tend to turn in way too early. Do I >> need someone with a ruler next to me when I am racing to whack me when >> I turn in early? I have noticed that some times I try to wait, and >> find I waited too long. Then I am just mowing the grass, spinning on >> my head, or who knows what.

A braking point, I can see. Either a brake marker, or a sign. Picking a 'turn-in' point isn;t so easy. Either there isn't a definite marker, or I'm too busy just trying to control the car under braking to pick out a specific 'point'. How do you do that? I read the same thing on one of the web sites, and also "Going Faster". I've never had a turn-in *point*. It's usually a combination of feel and luck, based on the stopping distance in the current corner. I don't think this one will be easy to fix... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Lol, I'm sorry Eldred!! ;-)) Jan. =--- EldredP wrote...

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>>> <snip> >>> At Malmedy <snip> Masta <snip> Stavelot <snip> >> >> I didn't, did I?? <checks>.... >> >> Yup, I did. Mixed up the two corner names. How embarrassing >> (for a Belgian)!!! ;-)) > > I wondered about that. I ended up thinking *I* mixed up the corner > names...<whew> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Its kinda spooky that you are watching someone driving their car in some other part of the world....you know exactly what they where thinking at every point........ ...well it scares me anyway!!! ;) Ash http://www.race-timing.com

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| >MRSisson | | Allthough I didn't have the same experience you had, while I watched | Eldred's replay yesterday, I had the same feeling. Very amusing to see | a replay from someone else, you just know what he felt and thought | when he was driving his lap! | | Andre |

writes: LOL! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No, it was not a F2 race, too bad it wasn't I may not have been lapped 3 times. Then to top it all off, the acelerator pedal spring broke and stuck wide open on the front strait. The only thing I was doing was making sure everyone got at least one wreck! SLG (Not going to do a F1 race at Zandy for a while!) [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>>If I may . . . My PB at Spa is 3:26 and in looking at EldredP's lap I >>can see some of the same mistakes that I also make. The main one being >>not using the whole track!. My problem is that I can not force myself >>to trust the image I am seeing, as in I turn in too early! What is the >>best way to force yourself to use the whole track? I have this problem >>at all the other tracks also. I tend to turn in way too early. Do I >>need someone with a ruler next to me when I am racing to whack me when >>I turn in early? I have noticed that some times I try to wait, and >>find I waited too long. Then I am just mowing the grass, spinning on >>my head, or who knows what. >> >Same here. There's no 'in-between'. My normal turn-in doesn't use the whole >track. If I *try* to turn later, then I use WAY too much...<g> > >>SLG >>(They guy who still must apologize, again for Zandy last night! Yes it >>was bad!) >> > >The F2 race? That was kinda fun, even if I *couldn't* keep it on the track... > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in <[email hidden]>: >Rats - ReplayAnalyser even shows times on laps that WEREN'T included?!? How >embarrassing... So does SpyGirl. I watched that lap, your not as bad as you let on. If you can get consistency and string a bunch of those together, you could probably get some decent online race results. Were going to have to find a new mascot around here. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C.

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>On 02 Jun 2000 14:00:58 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>I'm working on it. I need to find the time... > >So instead of blaming your hardware, now it's due to the lack of time? >:)) > >Andre >

It's probably a little of both. Even when I *have* the time, I don't see much improvement. I have a K6/3-400, and I'm sure I'm giving up a bit of resolution and smoothness that I would have with a faster system. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>On 31 May 2000 20:31:18 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>That's caused by not being SURE you'll make the corner. I guess I'm gunshy >>after often dropping a wheel off the track, and doing spins down the >>straight...<g> > >So what you need is more practice, to build up your confidence! >Do you allready get tired of this "more practice" advice? :) >

Yes...

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>>Yes I have. For some reason, I'm not seing WHY I'm losing time, except >maybe I >>just *can't* drive the same line that they do...(lack of control). Even on >>corners where it seems I'm using the same line, I can't duplicate results. >>Maybe I should start blaming the hardware(computer, wheel, etc) <g> > >Driving the same line is not really hard, at 10 mph everybody can >drive the same line. Driving the right line at maximum speed is >something quite different... GPLDump and Analyzer show you perfectly >how fast you are compared to others. Concentrate on the corners where >you lose the most time. > >Andre

I'm working on it. I need to find the time... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 31 May 2000 20:31:18 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >That's caused by not being SURE you'll make the corner. I guess I'm gunshy >after often dropping a wheel off the track, and doing spins down the >straight...<g> So what you need is more practice, to build up your confidence! Do you allready get tired of this "more practice" advice? :) >Yes I have. For some reason, I'm not seing WHY I'm losing time, except maybe I >just *can't* drive the same line that they do...(lack of control). Even on >corners where it seems I'm using the same line, I can't duplicate results. >Maybe I should start blaming the hardware(computer, wheel, etc) <g> Driving the same line is not really hard, at 10 mph everybody can drive the same line. Driving the right line at maximum speed is something quite different... GPLDump and Analyzer show you perfectly how fast you are compared to others. Concentrate on the corners where you lose the most time. Andre

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>Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Own Grand Prix Legends? Goto http://gpl.gamestats.com/vroc > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 02 Jun 2000 14:00:58 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >I'm working on it. I need to find the time... So instead of blaming your hardware, now it's due to the lack of time? :)) Andre

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> >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You're right. Every h/w improvement I've made has made the game easier^D^D^D^D^D^D less hard. Finally dumping my 'n' year old 14" monitor (don't laugh) for a 17" Trinitron has made a B I G difference. I can see the corners now. Some times I even go round them. Tony Whitley EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > It's probably a little of both. Even when I *have* the time, I don't seemuch > improvement. I have a K6/3-400, and I'm sure I'm giving up a bit ofresolution > and smoothness that I would have with a faster system. >

In article <MXWZ4.2881$[email hidden]>, "Tony Whitley" <t o n y . w h i t l e y @ n S t P l A w M o r l d . c o m> writes:

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>You're right. Every h/w improvement I've made has made the game >easier^D^D^D^D^D^D less hard. Finally dumping my 'n' year old 14" monitor >(don't laugh) for a 17" Trinitron has made a B I G difference. I can see the >corners now. Some times I even go round them. > >Tony Whitley > >EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> It's probably a little of both. Even when I *have* the time, I don't see >much >> improvement. I have a K6/3-400, and I'm sure I'm giving up a bit of >resolution >> and smoothness that I would have with a faster system. >>

I'm still running a 15" monitor with that 400mhz system I borrowed a 17" from work, ane it worked yesterday. Today, it crashed my system and I had to go back to the 15"(for the Ring race). I think I need to download some INF's for this 17"... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > On 02 Jun 2000 14:00:58 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >I'm working on it. I need to find the time... > > So instead of blaming your hardware, now it's due to the lack of time? > :)) > > Andre

it is always good to have one or two backup excuses... dave henrie > > > > >Eldred > >-- >

On 02 Jun 2000 14:00:58 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:Yes... > >>>Yes I have. For some reason, I'm not seing WHY I'm losing time, except >>maybe I >>>just *can't* drive the same line that they do...(lack of control). Even on >>>corners where it seems I'm using the same line, I can't duplicate results. >>>Maybe I should start blaming the hardware(computer, wheel, etc) <g>Eldred: I loaded your lap and ran it several times, and then ran my best to compare. Mine is a 3:20 and I was looking for any major differences. Of course, 3 sec or so in a 3.5 min lap isn't very much, but some things did jump into focus. First, your controller is superb! Not a bit of shake, looks very smooth. Second, you go all the way down to second for Eau Rouge, I am in 4th and many others are, too. makes me wonder about your gears. There are some other places in the first half lap where 5th might be better. Third, as others have noted, the line needs some work. otherwise, not too bad! Cheers, Sam

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>On 02 Jun 2000 14:00:58 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:Yes... >> >>>>Yes I have. For some reason, I'm not seing WHY I'm losing time, except >>>maybe I >>>>just *can't* drive the same line that they do...(lack of control). Even >on >>>>corners where it seems I'm using the same line, I can't duplicate results. > >>>>Maybe I should start blaming the hardware(computer, wheel, etc) <g> >Eldred: >I loaded your lap and ran it several times, and then ran my best to >compare. Mine is a 3:20 and I was looking for any major differences. >Of course, 3 sec or so in a 3.5 min lap isn't very much, but some >things did jump into focus. First, your controller is superb! Not a >bit of shake, looks very smooth. Second, you go all the way down to >second for Eau Rouge, I am in 4th and many others are, too. makes me >wonder about your gears. There are some other places in the first half >lap where 5th might be better. Third, as others have noted, the line >needs some work. otherwise, not too bad! Cheers, Sam

Well, I can still blame the computer or monitor... :) You're in *4th* at Eau Rouge?!? I'd be in the wall(and HAVE been) if I tried that... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>>>Yes I have. For some reason, I'm not seing WHY I'm losing time, except >>>maybe I >>>>just *can't* drive the same line that they do...(lack of control). Even >on >>>>corners where it seems I'm using the same line, I can't duplicate results. >>>>Maybe I should start blaming the hardware(computer, wheel, etc) <g> >Eldred: >I loaded your lap and ran it several times, and then ran my best to >compare. Mine is a 3:20 and I was looking for any major differences. >Of course, 3 sec or so in a 3.5 min lap isn't very much, but some >things did jump into focus. First, your controller is superb! Not a >bit of shake, looks very smooth. Second, you go all the way down to >second for Eau Rouge, I am in 4th and many others are, too. makes me >wonder about your gears. There are some other places in the first half >lap where 5th might be better. Third, as others have noted, the line >needs some work. otherwise, not too bad! Cheers, Sam

Well, I can still blame the computer or monitor... :) You're in *4th* at Eau Rouge?!? I'd be in the wall(and HAVE been) if I tried that... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 09 Jun 2000 05:57:01 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > >You're in *4th* at Eau Rouge?!? I'd be in the wall(and HAVE been) if I tried >that... Eldred, one thing that helps at Eau Rouge (and many other corners in GPL) is to stay on the throttle in the turns. If you lift too much, you induce trailing-throttle oversteer and you just slide off the track. Try to grit your teeth and stay on the gas more than you think you can. Whatever you do, don't lift completely while you're turning in. Richard. -- Richard Bellavance Enter-Net Inc. Phone: (450) 652-7189 #16 Systems Administrator/ (514) 990-1683 #16 Analyst-Programmer Fax: (450) 652-6973

Richard Bellavance <[email hidden]> wrote: : On 09 Jun 2000 05:57:01 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: :> :>You're in *4th* at Eau Rouge?!? I'd be in the wall(and HAVE been) if I tried :>that... : one thing that helps at Eau Rouge (and many other corners in GPL) : is to stay on the throttle in the turns. If you lift too much, : you induce trailing-throttle oversteer and you just slide off the : track. Try to grit your teeth and stay on the gas more than you : think you can. Whatever you do, don't lift completely while you're : turning in. Hmm... more common than the trailing throttle understeer in my experience is that in a long corner, if you lift or accelerate slightly this will unsettle the car slightly causing it to understeer more than it would have anyway. Often you can get through a corner faster than you normally would if you keep a constant throttle (or vary it only slowly) throughout rather than modulating the throttle during the corner. Apparently, from some remarks made by JYS this is quite realistic for cars of the era. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/