Re: dtr speed question

This is probably your #1 problem: "I'm using consistant in the sense that, the throttle is wide open, not hitting guard rails, and trying to keep revs up as high as possible." This is NOT the way to go fast on dirt. Unlike asphalt, you do not get any payoff on dirt from keepign your throttle wide open and keeping the revs up -- all you get is wheelspin, which does not necessarily translate into speed (at least not directly). All you get is a lot of sound and fury, and it SEEMS like you should be going fast as all get- out, but you're not, and that's why everybody else leaves you in the dust. When DTR was in the beta test stage, I tried doing some head-to-head on my home LAN with a friend who actually races sprint cars. He adapted pretty quickly, but I had been playing around with DTR for several weeks at that point, so I was already fairly quick, so he couldn't really keep up very well. We were racing at Nock's Hill, and I lifted off the throttle to slow down a bit, figuring that I'd just tool around the track at 8/10ths or so to give him a chance to catch up. To my surprise, I started lapping even FASTER, and even more surprising, out of nowhere I set a new personal best time, even though I seemed to be going more slowly (no wheelspin, lower revs, less sound and fury). What was really happening is that I was actually getting hooked-up better -- less wheelspin meant more traction, which translates DIRECTLY into more speed. Plus, since everything seemed more sedate, I was actually driving a little more smoothly, as opposed to my usual out-of- control slide all the way around the track. Later, I got involved with some DTR hotlaps competitions at the Late Model Player's Guide site, and I found that smoothness is even more important if you want to REALLY go fast in DTR. Setups matter, too. I recommend you check out some of David Harrison's setups at the LMPG site: http://blitzsports.com/racing/Dirt/ Also, check out their "Dirt School" articles as well -- these are invaluable for learning how to go fast in DTR. To start with, though, remember that you have to get your rear tires hooked up to put down the traction -- rather than flat-footing it all the way around, start feathering the throttle through the turns, and you should see your lap times start to improve immediately. And don't forget to be smooth, above all else. Hope this helps a bit. - JB In article <8hoa3u$8tb$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote:

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> First off, obviously, I'm new to online racing, but everyone > had to be new at one time, so please bear with me. > > After practicing a good bit on some tracks, and using supposedly > good setups, I got fairly consistant on a couple of them. > For the sake of explanation, I'm using consistant in the sense > that, the throttle is wide open, not hitting guard rails, and > trying to keep revs up as high as possible. > > I noted that if you hit the wall a little with the ass, you lose > 3 tenths maybe. If you miss the corner a bit, you lose 3 tenths maybe

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> So what I'm asking is, if you get to the point where you are running > a fairly smooth lap and there doesn't seem to be much left, where > do you get the other second and a half, or two seconds? > > I expected that I would be last, beieve me, I'm not UNrealistic, > but I just don't understand where I'm losing SO much speed? > I did ask in one chat box, and they said practice. > I DO understand practice makes you better. But what I'm asking is > how do you knock off SO much time, when smaller mistakes only account

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> 10ths? > > Are there certain 'lines' that are just that much quicker, even though > the line you are taking, would seem to be the fastest? > > I do enjoy the game, and certainly don't mind practicing, but it's not > a lot of fun getting tubed THAT bad. > > thanks for any help/ >

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<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8hoa3u$8tb$[email hidden]... > I expected that I would be last, beieve me, I'm not UNrealistic, > but I just don't understand where I'm losing SO much speed? Hi, I can't answer your question, but I can sympathize with you! I am not the worlds greatest sim racer and probably rank among the lower 10% by any measure, but I was astounded at how badly I fared in DTR online. Like you, I was competitive with the AI offline, but when I went online and tried to join a couple races, it was like I had the car in reverse! The other racers were driving away from me like I had 4 flat tires and would pass me higher rates of speed than I think I could attain anywhere. It wasn't warping either, though I did see plenty of that, I just couldn't even start to keep up with them. On the other hand, I am pretty darn good at Hypercube most times, so I know I don't *completely* suck. So add me to the list of people who would like to see the answer to this question. ~daxe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

First off, obviously, I'm new to online racing, but everyone had to be new at one time, so please bear with me. After practicing a good bit on some tracks, and using supposedly good setups, I got fairly consistant on a couple of them. For the sake of explanation, I'm using consistant in the sense that, the throttle is wide open, not hitting guard rails, and trying to keep revs up as high as possible. I noted that if you hit the wall a little with the ass, you lose 3 tenths maybe. If you miss the corner a bit, you lose 3 tenths maybe 4. So what I'm asking is, if you get to the point where you are running a fairly smooth lap and there doesn't seem to be much left, where do you get the other second and a half, or two seconds? I expected that I would be last, beieve me, I'm not UNrealistic, but I just don't understand where I'm losing SO much speed? I did ask in one chat box, and they said practice. I DO understand practice makes you better. But what I'm asking is how do you knock off SO much time, when smaller mistakes only account for 10ths? Are there certain 'lines' that are just that much quicker, even though the line you are taking, would seem to be the fastest? I do enjoy the game, and certainly don't mind practicing, but it's not a lot of fun getting tubed THAT bad. thanks for any help/

OMIGOSH! I forgot all about this part! Yes, if you don't have your realism/difficulty settings set to "100%", you will NOT be able to reach full top speed, and everybody else will blow you away. Thanks for the reminder, Ron! -- JB In article <bHc05.107233$[email hidden]>, "Ron Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I believe the problem you folks are having has to do with thedifficulty > setting. When I first started racing online I had the exact sameproblem, I > even had downloaded setups off of www.bhmotorsports.com but to noavail, I > was a good second and a half slower than everyone else. Until, one ofthe > team whoop ass drivers mentioned the setting in the difficultysetting in > the game options(novice, amatuer, pro). I had mine set to 60%. Once Iset it > to 100% I became very competitive. Good Luck to all and hope to seeyou

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> going fast online. Ron C. A.K.A. lowjeep > Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, daxe <daxe@no- > > bots.snakefoot.com> writes > > > > > ><[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:8hoa3u$8tb$[email hidden]... > > > > > >> I expected that I would be last, beieve me, I'm not UNrealistic, > > >> but I just don't understand where I'm losing SO much speed? > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > I can't answer your question, but I can sympathize with you!

I am > not > > >the worlds greatest sim racer and probably rank among the lower10% by > > >any > > >measure, but I was astounded at how badly I fared in DTR online.Like > you, > > >I was competitive with the AI offline, but when I went online andtried > to > > >join a couple races, it was like I had the car in reverse! Theother > racers > > >were driving away from me like I had 4 flat tires and would pass me > higher > > >rates of speed than I think I could attain anywhere. It wasn'twarping > > >either, though I did see plenty of that, I just couldn't evenstart to > keep > > >up with them. > > > > > > On the other hand, I am pretty darn good at Hypercube mosttimes, so > I > > >know I don't *completely* suck. > > > > > > So add me to the list of people who would like to see theanswer to > this > > >question. > > > > > >~daxe > > > > I only ever tried the demo, but I can recall that I also struggledto > > get really quick and could just about compete with the AI aftermany, > > many laps. It's a while now, but I eventually hit on the factthat it > > was both my the line that I was taking and my driving style that was > > inappropriate for optimum speed. Once I got a handle on it thedemo was > > just too easy and I could blow the AI away and my lap times droppedby > > half a second. I'm hoping that this is the reason that you are > > struggling. You just need to hit on the best way to drive these > > tracks/cars, which may not be immediately intuitive. UnfortunatelyI

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> > cannot recall any specifics. :( > > -- > > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > > > > No person's opinions can be said to be > > more correct than another's, because each is > > the sole judge of his or her own experience. > >

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> ><[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8hoa3u$8tb$[email hidden]... > >> I expected that I would be last, beieve me, I'm not UNrealistic, >> but I just don't understand where I'm losing SO much speed? > >Hi, > > I can't answer your question, but I can sympathize with you! I am not >the worlds greatest sim racer and probably rank among the lower 10% by >any >measure, but I was astounded at how badly I fared in DTR online. Like you, >I was competitive with the AI offline, but when I went online and tried to >join a couple races, it was like I had the car in reverse! The other racers >were driving away from me like I had 4 flat tires and would pass me higher >rates of speed than I think I could attain anywhere. It wasn't warping >either, though I did see plenty of that, I just couldn't even start to keep >up with them. > > On the other hand, I am pretty darn good at Hypercube most times, so I >know I don't *completely* suck. > > So add me to the list of people who would like to see the answer to this >question. > >~daxe

I only ever tried the demo, but I can recall that I also struggled to get really quick and could just about compete with the AI after many, many laps. It's a while now, but I eventually hit on the fact that it was both my the line that I was taking and my driving style that was inappropriate for optimum speed. Once I got a handle on it the demo was just too easy and I could blow the AI away and my lap times dropped by half a second. I'm hoping that this is the reason that you are struggling. You just need to hit on the best way to drive these tracks/cars, which may not be immediately intuitive. Unfortunately I cannot recall any specifics. :( -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

I believe the problem you folks are having has to do with the difficulty setting. When I first started racing online I had the exact same problem, I even had downloaded setups off of www.bhmotorsports.com but to no avail, I was a good second and a half slower than everyone else. Until, one of the team whoop ass drivers mentioned the setting in the difficulty setting in the game options(novice, amatuer, pro). I had mine set to 60%. Once I set it to 100% I became very competitive. Good Luck to all and hope to see you going fast online. Ron C. A.K.A. lowjeep Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, daxe <daxe@no- > bots.snakefoot.com> writes > > > ><[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:8hoa3u$8tb$[email hidden]... > > > >> I expected that I would be last, beieve me, I'm not UNrealistic, > >> but I just don't understand where I'm losing SO much speed? > > > >Hi, > > > > I can't answer your question, but I can sympathize with you! I am

not > >the worlds greatest sim racer and probably rank among the lower 10% by > >any > >measure, but I was astounded at how badly I fared in DTR online. Likeyou, > >I was competitive with the AI offline, but when I went online and triedto > >join a couple races, it was like I had the car in reverse! The otherracers > >were driving away from me like I had 4 flat tires and would pass mehigher > >rates of speed than I think I could attain anywhere. It wasn't warping > >either, though I did see plenty of that, I just couldn't even start tokeep > >up with them. > > > > On the other hand, I am pretty darn good at Hypercube most times, soI > >know I don't *completely* suck. > > > > So add me to the list of people who would like to see the answer tothis

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> >question. > > > >~daxe > > I only ever tried the demo, but I can recall that I also struggled to > get really quick and could just about compete with the AI after many, > many laps. It's a while now, but I eventually hit on the fact that it > was both my the line that I was taking and my driving style that was > inappropriate for optimum speed. Once I got a handle on it the demo was > just too easy and I could blow the AI away and my lap times dropped by > half a second. I'm hoping that this is the reason that you are > struggling. You just need to hit on the best way to drive these > tracks/cars, which may not be immediately intuitive. Unfortunately I > cannot recall any specifics. :( > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.

No Problem. Another thing, you need to have damage set to realistic and tire damage set to on. lowJEEP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8hrog3$k5d$[email hidden]...

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> OMIGOSH! I forgot all about this part! Yes, if you don't have your > realism/difficulty settings set to "100%", you will NOT be able to > reach full top speed, and everybody else will blow you away. > > Thanks for the reminder, Ron! > > -- JB > > In article <bHc05.107233$[email hidden]>, > "Ron Campbell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > I believe the problem you folks are having has to do with the > difficulty > > setting. When I first started racing online I had the exact same > problem, I > > even had downloaded setups off of www.bhmotorsports.com but to no > avail, I > > was a good second and a half slower than everyone else. Until, one of > the > > team whoop ass drivers mentioned the setting in the difficulty > setting in > > the game options(novice, amatuer, pro). I had mine set to 60%. Once I > set it > > to 100% I became very competitive. Good Luck to all and hope to see > you > > going fast online. Ron C. A.K.A. lowjeep > > Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, daxe <daxe@no- > > > bots.snakefoot.com> writes > > > > > > > ><[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > >news:8hoa3u$8tb$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > >> I expected that I would be last, beieve me, I'm not UNrealistic, > > > >> but I just don't understand where I'm losing SO much speed? > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > > > > > > I can't answer your question, but I can sympathize with you! > I am > > not > > > >the worlds greatest sim racer and probably rank among the lower > 10% by > > > >any > > > >measure, but I was astounded at how badly I fared in DTR online. > Like > > you, > > > >I was competitive with the AI offline, but when I went online and > tried > > to > > > >join a couple races, it was like I had the car in reverse! The > other > > racers > > > >were driving away from me like I had 4 flat tires and would pass me > > higher > > > >rates of speed than I think I could attain anywhere. It wasn't > warping > > > >either, though I did see plenty of that, I just couldn't even > start to > > keep > > > >up with them. > > > > > > > > On the other hand, I am pretty darn good at Hypercube most > times, so > > I > > > >know I don't *completely* suck. > > > > > > > > So add me to the list of people who would like to see the > answer to > > this > > > >question. > > > > > > > >~daxe > > > > > > I only ever tried the demo, but I can recall that I also struggled > to > > > get really quick and could just about compete with the AI after > many, > > > many laps. It's a while now, but I eventually hit on the fact > that it > > > was both my the line that I was taking and my driving style that was > > > inappropriate for optimum speed. Once I got a handle on it the > demo was > > > just too easy and I could blow the AI away and my lap times dropped > by > > > half a second. I'm hoping that this is the reason that you are > > > struggling. You just need to hit on the best way to drive these > > > tracks/cars, which may not be immediately intuitive. Unfortunately > I > > > cannot recall any specifics. :( > > > -- > > > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > > > > > > No person's opinions can be said to be > > > more correct than another's, because each is > > > the sole judge of his or her own experience. > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.