Re: WIDESPREAD INCOMPETENCE AT BELL ATLANTIC

lol voice only, I live in a rural area by bell atlantic and i can hear what sounds like wind blowing lol my max connect is 24000bps bell atlantic say they refuse to do anything unless my connect is less than 9600bps!!!!!!!!

Bell Atlantic sucks. G_Major, you probably remember my story with Bell Atlantic over in Jacobs group. =) My sister works for the company and I threatened to sue her too. ROFLMAO The only thing I have from BA is my local service, and If Sprint ever moves into the area for local service, Ill drop BA for that too just because I don't want to give a nickel to that damn company. Bell Atlantic.. Just don't <VBG> Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: > >> I saw that in California this past week. I'm used to paying $1.30- $1.45 >per >> gallon. In Monterey, the first place I stopped was $1.79 for regular. The >> second time was $1.97/gal. Geez, we have it EASY. >> >Welcome home, Eldred. I take it you haven't gotten gas since you been >back? <g>

I just got some this morning...$2.15?!? WTF?????? It's gone up more than 70 cents in the past two weeks? Did we bomb Iraq again? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If it were not widespread, there would not be a class action lawsuit against Bell Atlantic, the FCC wouldn't be investigating Bell Atlantic, and you wouldn't see articles in the NY Times and other major East Coast newspapers with articles about widespread DSL outages and Bell Atlantic removing businesses from directories when they switch to a competing local phone service provider. Here, Ill share my horror story again <VBG> I had the choice between 3 DSL providers and 2 cable providers at the time. I now have 4 DSL providers to choose from. I was planning on moving this summer (which has now been delayed until at least next summer) so I did not want to sign a DSL contract. The one cable provider ISP sucks (i know.. use to have them) and the other was 1-way only. So, I decided to order an ISDN line from Hell Atlantic. Well, I ended up with NO phone service at all for over 3 days! I cancelled the ISDN after they flubbed up the installation. I lost $50 on the ISDN modem I bought and had to sell on EBAY at a loss. As I cancelled ISDN, the customer service informed me DSL by BA was now available in my area. (Im only 1300 ft from the CO). I said I dont want to sign a contract as I will probably be moving. They said no contract and no installation fee. $49.99 a month. So I signed up. I received CD-Rom with WinPoet on it (First sign of shitty DSL service is using this crap software) and my microfilters and external modem. Installation was no problem and Service was available the day they said it would. First 8 days worked with no problem. Maybe 1 hour of downtime. Well, I ended up with NO SERVICE for 28 out of the 29 days I had BA. I cancelled on day 29 to make sure I got my refund for the modem. 3 hour waits on the phone, tech support reps who know nothing but to read from the script they have in front of them (uninstall winpoet, uninstall communications in windows, reinstall... doesn't work.. oops, we must be having a network problem). After 3 weeks of repeating the same crap of telling their support I already reinstalled and by reading DSL Reports and seeing 1/2 of PA and NY was without DSL service.. it was pretty obvious BA had no clue what the hell they were doing. After I found out I was not going to be moving, I ordered DSL through Fast.net (COVAD) who installed a separate line and no WinPoet crap software to deal with. 1.5Mps/384 service. Its been flawless outside a few hours of downtime on my email as they upgraded the server. THEN, the Bell Atlantic morons tried to bill me for ISDN installation, First month of DSL, My basic telephone installation, and they cancelled by long distance plan with AT&T!! Unfortunately, if you read DSL Reports, this is NOT an uncommon situation with Bell Atlantic. Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com

EldredP wrote: > I saw that in California this past week. I'm used to paying $1.30- $1.45 per > gallon. In Monterey, the first place I stopped was $1.79 for regular. The > second time was $1.97/gal. Geez, we have it EASY. > Welcome home, Eldred. I take it you haven't gotten gas since you been back? <g> -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +249.31) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

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>EldredP wrote: > >> >Welcome home, Eldred. I take it you haven't gotten gas since you been >> >back? <g> >> >> I just got some this morning...$2.15?!? WTF?????? >> It's gone up more than 70 cents in the past two weeks? Did we bomb Iraq >again? >> > >ROTFLMAO!!! *Now* you see what I've been on about.<g> Something just >isn't kosher here.

Hehe - I guess I've had other things on my mind recently... Ok, I found a receipt. I paid $1.79 on 5/31. I didn't even realize it was THAT much(credit card). I paid $2.15 yesterday morning...Sheesh. Although I found out why the price went up. Some pipeline in Michigan burst, spilling a bunch of oil... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Taxes. The government (based in London, a large city with a good public transport system) seems to think we would all be better off without our cars, so to encourage us to leave them at home, they have raped us with their taxes. Note: I live in Devon, the largest county and one of the most rural. There are two train lines and a shit bus system that doesn't take me anywhere near where I want to go. What the fuck are we supposed to do without cars? Walk? Chris -- -------------------------------------------------- http://www.the.saints.btinternet.co.uk Uncle Fester wrote in message <[email hidden]>... Keith Archer wrote: > Can this discussion on gas prices stop right now! > > Over here in the UK we're paying over �4.00 a gallon - convert that into > bucks and shove it in your tank! ;-) > > Keith I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask! What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping you guys even worse than they are us? -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +249.31) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Dmn right we do. Is it because we don't produce anything much of our own - I think that North Sea Oil is not really suitable for 'cracking' down to petroleum. Over in the States, they've got Texas - you know the big place with the long strait road and lots of OIL. I guess it makes some difference to gas prices (cheaper) when you can control how much you produce. Joke for you: Why did the Irish (or Polish if un the US) get potatoes and the Arabs get oil? The Irish (or Poles) had first choice. No offence intended |-). Keith m.seery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O%s15.504$[email hidden]...

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> We pay around 87% tax on our fuel in the UK > > > MS > > > > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Keith Archer wrote: > > > Can this discussion on gas prices stop right now! > > > > Over here in the UK we're paying over �4.00 a gallon - convert that into > > bucks and shove it in your tank! ;-) > > > > Keith > > I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask! > What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is > it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping > you guys even worse than they are us? > > -- > Chuck Kandler > (GPL Handicap of +249.31) > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > > >

Can this discussion on gas prices stop right now! Over here in the UK we're paying over �4.00 a gallon - convert that into bucks and shove it in your tank! ;-) Keith Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Woodie 83 wrote: > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >> I saw that in California this past week. I'm used to paying $1.30-$1.45 > > >per > > >> gallon. In Monterey, the first place I stopped was $1.79 forregular. The > > >> second time was $1.97/gal. Geez, we have it EASY. > > >> > > >Welcome home, Eldred. I take it you haven't gotten gas since you been > > >back? <g> > > > > > I don't know about him, but I just paid $1.52 this afternoon. Oh,before you

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> > ask, in a close suburb of Washington, DC. > > Got a spare room?<g> Metro Detroit here. Lowest station around me > today raised their price from $1.99 yesterday, to $2.09. It's downright > sickening... > > -- > Chuck Kandler > (GPL Handicap of +249.31) > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 >

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>> I saw that in California this past week. I'm used to paying $1.30- $1.45 >per >> gallon. In Monterey, the first place I stopped was $1.79 for regular. The >> second time was $1.97/gal. Geez, we have it EASY. >> >Welcome home, Eldred. I take it you haven't gotten gas since you been >back? <g> >

I don't know about him, but I just paid $1.52 this afternoon. Oh, before you ask, in a close suburb of Washington, DC. Don McCorkle

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Scott) writes: SNIP >Installation was no problem and Service was available the >day they said it would. First 8 days worked with no problem. Maybe 1 hour >of downtime. Well, I ended up with NO SERVICE for 28 out of the 29 days I >had BA. I cancelled on day 29 to make sure I got my refund for the modem.SNIP I'm having some trouble with the math here Don McCorkle

EldredP wrote: > >Welcome home, Eldred. I take it you haven't gotten gas since you been > >back? <g> > > I just got some this morning...$2.15?!? WTF?????? > It's gone up more than 70 cents in the past two weeks? Did we bomb Iraq again? > ROTFLMAO!!! *Now* you see what I've been on about.<g> Something just isn't kosher here. -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +249.31) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> I saw that in California this past week. I'm used to paying $1.30- $1.45 > >per > >> gallon. In Monterey, the first place I stopped was $1.79 for regular. The > >> second time was $1.97/gal. Geez, we have it EASY. > >> > >Welcome home, Eldred. I take it you haven't gotten gas since you been > >back? <g> > > > I don't know about him, but I just paid $1.52 this afternoon. Oh, before you > ask, in a close suburb of Washington, DC.

Got a spare room?<g> Metro Detroit here. Lowest station around me today raised their price from $1.99 yesterday, to $2.09. It's downright sickening... -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +249.31) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

SNIP SNIP I'm having some trouble with the math here Don McCorkle

ROFLMAO I can't understand why ;) Should have said 20 out of 29 days. DOH! Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com [email hidden] (Woodie 83) wrote in <[email hidden]>:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (Scott) writes: > >SNIP >>Installation was no problem and Service was available the >>day they said it would. First 8 days worked with no problem. Maybe 1 >>hour of downtime. Well, I ended up with NO SERVICE for 28 out of the >>29 days I had BA. I cancelled on day 29 to make sure I got my refund >>for the modem. >SNIP > >I'm having some trouble with the math here > > >Don McCorkle > > > >

Keith Archer wrote: > Can this discussion on gas prices stop right now! > > Over here in the UK we're paying over £4.00 a gallon - convert that into > bucks and shove it in your tank! ;-) > > Keith I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask! What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping you guys even worse than they are us? -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +249.31) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:39:01 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask! = > >What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is = > >it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping = > >you guys even worse than they are us?

All of them I think... prices are getting ridiculous these days. I believe the taxes are higher than the value of the fuel itself... Thank Cassidy (thank God I mean) my boss pays my fuel... Andre

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> >-- >Chuck Kandler >(GPL Handicap of +249.31) >K&S Racing >http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 >

We pay around 87% tax on our fuel in the UK MS "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... Keith Archer wrote: > Can this discussion on gas prices stop right now! > > Over here in the UK we're paying over �4.00 a gallon - convert that into > bucks and shove it in your tank! ;-) > > Keith I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask! What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping you guys even worse than they are us? -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +249.31) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

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>> The prices, actually, should be high everywhere. Environmental issues, >> the impending exhaustion of natural reserves, the rising 'green' >> consciousness in us and so on, have forced the prices upward, and they >> will go in the same direction until we run out of oil or come up with >> something cheaper to use. > >Now this one loses me for some reason. I grasp the taxation issue. I >read earlier it is 87% in the UK!?! My goodness, that's terrible! But >if I'm paraphrasing you correctly, you're implying that by giving the >Oil Companies a bigger Profit, that somehow that'll help the >environment. On the one hand, if I want to go somewhere, I'm going >regardless of cost. It's just a matter of how much it'll end up costing >me. On the other hand, there is no reason *any* product should cost >more than the Producer's Cost + *reasonable* profit margin (arbitrary, I >realize) + government-imposed tax burden. Anything over that is nothing >more than theft. How will giving them suits an even ungodlier amount of >profit be good for the environment? I will never try & justify any >company for any sort unjust profiteering. I'm just as environmentally >*aware* as the next guy, but throwing money at these particular Robber >Barons is a waste. At the tax rates here in Michigan, I still say >anything over about $1.10-1.25 a gallon is profiteering. Add your >local/national tax burden to that price & that's all YOU should have to >pay. Anything over that and we're not doing anything for the >environment, we're just padding the Fat Cats.

Arent the taxes also supposed to be mainting the highway system? At least in Michigan, that's what I thought they were used for... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes-GPLRank:345 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8i7ekg$qca$[email hidden]...

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> Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > Now, when the inevitable happens and the natural reserves are exhausted > forever, USA will be either falling from very much higher than Europe, > or then they'll wage war against the rest of the world to get hold of > their last oil storages. I'm not sure which is more probable. > > > +Cinquo

Hopefully, what will happen is that we will finally wake up and switch to Methanol instead of burning gasoline. This should have happened 75 years ago, but the oil companies have a financial stranglehold on the governments of the world. -- don New Programmes for Converted GPL Tracks http://www.ianparker1.clara.co.uk/clara.net/i/a/n/ianparker1/webspace/gpl/

Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote in message > The prices, actually, should be high everywhere. Environmental issues, > the impending exhaustion of natural reserves, the rising 'green' > consciousness in us and so on, have forced the prices upward, and they > will go in the same direction until we run out of oil or come up with > something cheaper to use. In the USA, as little as a year ago, the price of gasoline as indexed to the cost of living was actually cheaper than it had been in 40 years. > Gas also doesn't seem to have > quite as big an importance here as it does across the Atlantic. Our > attitudes towards eg. private cars is much more economical and less > obsessive than 'theirs'. One reason for this could be the relative size of the countries. The USA, which we may freely cross without any border or customs checks, is 3000+ miles across. It makes sense that effective personal transportation would play an important role. > The big difference is due to US people having gotten so spoiled from > ridiculously low gas prices that they'll start rioting if the prices > are raised. A suggestion in that direction from anyone would mean a > political suicide. Politicians don't raise gas prices, they raise gas *taxes*. The USA has a history of not being appreciative when politicians levy excessive, self-serving taxes and I can't say I blame us. > Now, when the inevitable happens and the natural reserves are exhausted > forever, USA will be either falling from very much higher than Europe, > or then they'll wage war against the rest of the world to get hold of > their last oil storages. I'm not sure which is more probable. Since the complete exhaustion of of natural reserves is so far in the future, I woldn't worry too much about fossil fuels being the only viable means of powering automobiles at that time. People are working on alternatives, but the truth is that the internal combustion engine remains the most efficient use of energy for this purpose to date. ~daxe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask! > What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is > it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping > you guys even worse than they are us? The prices, actually, should be high everywhere. Environmental issues, the impending exhaustion of natural reserves, the rising 'green' consciousness in us and so on, have forced the prices upward, and they will go in the same direction until we run out of oil or come up with something cheaper to use. Taxation plays a part here - the oil companies are (I understand) very nicely in leash. Gas also doesn't seem to have quite as big an importance here as it does across the Atlantic. Our attitudes towards eg. private cars is much more economical and less obsessive than 'theirs'. The big difference is due to US people having gotten so spoiled from ridiculously low gas prices that they'll start rioting if the prices are raised. A suggestion in that direction from anyone would mean a political suicide. Now, when the inevitable happens and the natural reserves are exhausted forever, USA will be either falling from very much higher than Europe, or then they'll wage war against the rest of the world to get hold of their last oil storages. I'm not sure which is more probable. +Cinquo

Ville V Sinkko wrote: > The prices, actually, should be high everywhere. Environmental issues, > the impending exhaustion of natural reserves, the rising 'green' > consciousness in us and so on, have forced the prices upward, and they > will go in the same direction until we run out of oil or come up with > something cheaper to use. Now this one loses me for some reason. I grasp the taxation issue. I read earlier it is 87% in the UK!?! My goodness, that's terrible! But if I'm paraphrasing you correctly, you're implying that by giving the Oil Companies a bigger Profit, that somehow that'll help the environment. On the one hand, if I want to go somewhere, I'm going regardless of cost. It's just a matter of how much it'll end up costing me. On the other hand, there is no reason *any* product should cost more than the Producer's Cost + *reasonable* profit margin (arbitrary, I realize) + government-imposed tax burden. Anything over that is nothing more than theft. How will giving them suits an even ungodlier amount of profit be good for the environment? I will never try & justify any company for any sort unjust profiteering. I'm just as environmentally *aware* as the next guy, but throwing money at these particular Robber Barons is a waste. At the tax rates here in Michigan, I still say anything over about $1.10-1.25 a gallon is profiteering. Add your local/national tax burden to that price & that's all YOU should have to pay. Anything over that and we're not doing anything for the environment, we're just padding the Fat Cats. -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +249.31) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

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>Since the complete exhaustion of of natural reserves is so far in the >future, I woldn't worry too much about fossil fuels being the only viable >means of powering automobiles at that time. People are working on >alternatives, but the truth is that the internal combustion engine remains >the most efficient use of energy for this purpose to date. > >~daxe

We better don't wait with alternative energy sources until the very last second, or some really bad situations will develop... I hope all those great politicians out there <G> will have enough vision to prevent this. JoH

Jo Helsen wrote: > > We better don't wait with alternative energy sources until the very > last second, or some really bad situations will develop... > > I hope all those great politicians out there <G> will have enough > vision to prevent this. I have, but nobody voted for me, so I'm keeping them to myself.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On 14 Jun 2000 08:09:52 GMT, Ville V Sinkko <[email hidden]> wrote: >Now, when the inevitable happens and the natural reserves are exhausted >forever, USA will be either falling from very much higher than Europe, >or then they'll wage war against the rest of the world to get hold of >their last oil storages. I'm not sure which is more probable. I expect we'll all be well and comfortably dead by then. The internal combustion automobile will be a quaint anachronism by then, too. Relegated to parades and museums. Regards, Brett C. Cammack

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>EldredP wrote: > > >> Arent the taxes also supposed to be mainting the highway system? At least >in >> Michigan, that's what I thought they were used for... >> >> Eldred > >Yeah, they're *supposed* to be. Judging by the # of potholes I gotta >dodge everyday, I'd say we're all due a rebate!<G>

Yeah, Chuck! Let's pay a visit to Mr. Engler...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes-GPLRank:329 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Ah... so that's why you US guys drive those SUV's... paved road is getting >scarce. ;-) > >Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas >prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guys for >a gallon. > >Jan.

I realize that you guys pay WAY too much for gas, and you have my sympathy.<g> But, you've been paying those prices for how long? Maybe you've gotten used to it? If something you purchased regularly quickly went up in price by more than 30%, you'd bitch too... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes-GPLRank:329 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Jo Helsen wrote: > > > > We better don't wait with alternative energy sources until the very > > last second, or some really bad situations will develop... > > > > I hope all those great politicians out there <G> will have enough > > vision to prevent this. > > I have, but nobody voted for me, so I'm keeping them to myself.... >

You've got my vote Goy! :-)) -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +240.59 as of 6/14) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

EldredP wrote: > Arent the taxes also supposed to be mainting the highway system? At least in > Michigan, that's what I thought they were used for... > > Eldred Yeah, they're *supposed* to be. Judging by the # of potholes I gotta dodge everyday, I'd say we're all due a rebate!<G> -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +240.59 as of 6/14) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

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> > Goy Larsen wrote: > > > Jo Helsen wrote: > > > > > > We better don't wait with alternative energy sources until the very > > > last second, or some really bad situations will develop... > > > > > > I hope all those great politicians out there <G> will have enough > > > vision to prevent this. > > > > I have, but nobody voted for me, so I'm keeping them to myself.... > > > > You've got my vote Goy! :-))

Thx, but too late I'm afraid, I had lots of good ideas, but due to the "Captain Morgan" effect, I've forgotten them all :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

AND it gets worse............... http://cnnfn.com/2000/06/15/deals/wires/verizon_wg/ Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com [email hidden] (G_Major) wrote in <1Hi05.4839$[email hidden]>:

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>lol voice only, I live in a rural area by bell atlantic and i can hear >what sounds like wind blowing lol my max connect is 24000bps bell >atlantic say they refuse to do anything unless my connect is less than >9600bps!!!!!!!! > > >

Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Jan Verschueren wrote: > > > > Ah... so that's why you US guys drive those SUV's... paved road isgetting > > scarce. ;-) > > > > Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas > > prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guysfor

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> > a gallon. > > As someone was kind enough to point out to me in another NG, the reason > why it's so expensive over here is *because* we buy gas in litters > instead of gallons, *everyone* know it's cheaper to buy stuff in large > amounts...... >

Personally, I think it was just a simple error in converting from imperial to metric. If it can happen to the Mars Voyager team, it can happen to anyone. No one has the courage to correct the mistake now, so we continue to pay too much for our petrol here in Europe! Certainly it has nothing to do with post-war taxation policies for rebuilding shattered countries etc. etc... Stephen

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On Fri 16 Jun 2000 02:51:09am, Dave St.Onge wrote: >Well, here where I live in Canada, we're at 80 cents a litre...I >drive a shitty ford tempo and it takes over $35 to fill the damn >thing up... Poor bloke. A whole 80 cents a litre - must be unbearable. Over here in Blighty, it's 80 *pence* a litre (getting on for four quid a gallon), so I can't have too much sympathy... And why has Ford nicked the Tempo name? It's a Fiat over here, IIRC. -- David. "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Ah... so that's why you US guys drive those SUV's... paved road is getting scarce. ;-) Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guys for a gallon. Jan. =--- EldredP wrote...

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> <snip> > >Yeah, they're *supposed* to be. Judging by the # of potholes I gotta > >dodge everyday, I'd say we're all due a rebate!<G> > > Yeah, Chuck! Let's pay a visit to Mr. Engler...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes-GPLRank:329 and falling.. > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Jan Verschueren wrote: > Ah... so that's why you US guys drive those SUV's... paved road is getting > scarce. ;-) > > Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas > prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guys for > a gallon. Yeah, well.... At least you guys over there have the Autobahn! :-) -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

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> >Ah... so that's why you US guys drive those SUV's... paved road is getting > >scarce. ;-) > > > >Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas > >prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guys for > >a gallon. > > > >Jan. > > I realize that you guys pay WAY too much for gas, and you have my sympathy.<g> > But, you've been paying those prices for how long? Maybe you've gotten used to > it? If something you purchased regularly quickly went up in price by more than > 30%, you'd bitch too... :) > > Eldred

Actually, Eldred is going pretty easy on you. In the past 2 weeks, we've gone from about $1.30 to now $2.10 on average. That's an increase of nearly 62%!! Take *your* gas prices & add 62% to them over the next 2 weeks & see whether that one don't sting!<g> -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Well, here where I live in Canada, we're at 80 cents a litre...I drive a shitty ford tempo and it takes over $35 to fill the damn thing up... Dave "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > EldredP wrote: > > > >Ah... so that's why you US guys drive those SUV's... paved road isgetting > > >scarce. ;-) > > > > > >Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas > > >prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guysfor > > >a gallon. > > > > > >Jan. > > > > I realize that you guys pay WAY too much for gas, and you have mysympathy.<g> > > But, you've been paying those prices for how long? Maybe you've gottenused to > > it? If something you purchased regularly quickly went up in price bymore than

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> > 30%, you'd bitch too... :) > > > > Eldred > > Actually, Eldred is going pretty easy on you. In the past 2 weeks, > we've gone from about $1.30 to now $2.10 on average. That's an increase > of nearly 62%!! Take *your* gas prices & add 62% to them over the next > 2 weeks & see whether that one don't sting!<g> > > > > > -- > Chuck Kandler > (GPL Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15) > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 >

Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guys for a gallon. >>>>>>>>>>>Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you commuters bitch about gas prices -while I drive for a living and buy roughly 80-90 gallons of gas per week. I'm sure you commuters can make up your 2 bucks a week somewhere else, but its taking alot of food off of my table. Rik

Rik, Youn like me driving sometimes over a 1000 miles in a week easy. Also all the guys in Europe have been getting screwed for years on gas by their government. Dave > >>>>>>>>>>> > Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you commuters bitch aboutgas > prices -while I drive for a living and buy roughly 80-90 gallons of gasper > week. > I'm sure you commuters can make up your 2 bucks a week somewhere else,but > its taking alot of food off of my table. > Rik > > >

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> > Ah... so that's why you US guys drive those SUV's... paved road is getting > scarce. ;-) > > Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas > prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guys for > a gallon.

As someone was kind enough to point out to me in another NG, the reason why it's so expensive over here is *because* we buy gas in litters instead of gallons, *everyone* know it's cheaper to buy stuff in large amounts...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Goy Larsen wrote: > > As someone was kind enough to point out to me in another NG, the reason > why it's so expensive over here is *because* we buy gas in litters > instead of gallons, *everyone* know it's cheaper to buy stuff in large > amounts...... "Liters" of course, not "litters"...... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Around here in the Netherlands, for every guilder that goes to the oil company, 2 guilders go to the state. That's 200% tax!! (No THAT's profiteering <G> ) --- Joeri J. Cox J_Cox on N3 - ICQ# 60159253 Co-founder of 502 Racing European Racing League - http://drive.to/erl "m.seery" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht news:O%s15.504$[email hidden]...

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> We pay around 87% tax on our fuel in the UK > > > MS > > > > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > Keith Archer wrote: > > > Can this discussion on gas prices stop right now! > > > > Over here in the UK we're paying over �4.00 a gallon - convert that into > > bucks and shove it in your tank! ;-) > > > > Keith > > I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask! > What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is > it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping > you guys even worse than they are us? > > -- > Chuck Kandler > (GPL Handicap of +249.31) > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > > >

Lol.... you're right!! If I buy 50 pairs of socks I get a discount, but I if I buy 50 litres of gas the price stays the same... we're beying screwed!! ;-) Jan. =--- Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ><snip> > As someone was kind enough to point out to me in another NG, the reason > why it's so expensive over here is *because* we buy gas in litters > instead of gallons, *everyone* know it's cheaper to buy stuff in large > amounts......

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>Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you guys bitch about gas >prices while the average European pays the same for a litre as you guys for >a gallon. > >>>>>>>>>>>> >Sorry for the jab, but it cracks me up hearing you commuters bitch about gas >prices -while I drive for a living and buy roughly 80-90 gallons of gas per >week. >I'm sure you commuters can make up your 2 bucks a week somewhere else, but >its taking alot of food off of my table. >Rik >

I have traveled in Europe, and have paid $3 a gallon for gas, so I know that the U.S. has been lucky for having such cheap gas prices over the years. BTW, the lowest gas ever got here in the upstate of SC two years ago was 68 cents!!! It's now $1.35, which is cheaper than the national average.

Galley_BeOS_User wrote: > I have traveled in Europe, and have paid $3 a gallon for gas, so I > know that the U.S. has been lucky for having such cheap gas prices > over the years. Have we really just been so lucky all these years, and should be ever so grateful to the powers that be, or do the Europeans have even more of a right to bitch for getting Ripped Off by Big Oil worse than we are? :-) I think it's a matter of how you view it. Nobody owes the Oil Companies these obscene profit margins, American or European. -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >Have we really just been so lucky all these years, and should be ever so >grateful to the powers that be, or do the Europeans have even more of a >right to bitch for getting Ripped Off by Big Oil worse than we are? :-) Your use of the Clintonesque term "Big Oil" is telling. The Europeans have a right to bitch about being ripped off by GOVERNMENT more than we are. Our current administration is more to blame for gas prices than anyone. 1) All domestic oil exploration has been banned since '92, the result being that we are more dependant on imported oil than ever before. Were we to use the oil we have, OPEC would be finished. 2) A tax of 4.6 cents per gallon was added in '93 for budget deficit reduction. There is now a huge budget surplus, but we still pay. To be fair, the Republican controlled Congress considered and rejected repealing this, so they're just as bad. 3) The EPA is conducting a test of the latest gas additive in the Midwest right now. The gas companies say the additive adds 50 cents to the price of gas. The people of the Midwest are screaming for government to look into the soaring price of gas in their region only. Duh The old additive cost 10 cents per gallon, reduced gas mileage, did nothing to reduce emissions on cars with feedback fuel injection (the vast majority), created noxious fumes affecting some sensitive people, and has now been found to be poisoning water supplies. Well done, EPA. > I think it's a matter of how you view it. Nobody owes the Oil >Companies these obscene profit margins, American or European. >Adjusted for inflation, gas prices in most of the US are at the same level they were in 1980, lower than they were in the mid '70s. SUV sales and total gas usage are higher than ever. Despite the facts, you get mad at the oil companies? Let me guess, you also think that "Big Tobacco" is to blame for the fact that I choose to smoke. Also the gun manufacturers are at fault because with 50 million gun owners, a very small number of repeat felons commit half a million violent crimes a year. I guess it is a matter of how you view it. Don McCorkle www.lp.org

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Have we really just been so lucky all these years, and should be ever so > >grateful to the powers that be, or do the Europeans have even more of a > >right to bitch for getting Ripped Off by Big Oil worse than we are? :-) > > Your use of the Clintonesque term "Big Oil" is telling.

Sorry. I'm neither democrat nor republican, conservative or liberal. I don't vote or participate in the census. I work, pay taxes, raise & support my family & sim race. > The Europeans have a > right to bitch about being ripped off by GOVERNMENT more than we are. You're not kidding there!

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>Our > current administration is more to blame for gas prices than anyone. > 1) All domestic oil exploration has been banned since '92, the result being > that we are more dependant on imported oil than ever before. Were we to use > the oil we have, OPEC would be finished. > 2) A tax of 4.6 cents per gallon was added in '93 for budget deficit reduction. > There is now a huge budget surplus, but we still pay. To be fair, the > Republican controlled Congress considered and rejected repealing this, so > they're just as bad. > 3) The EPA is conducting a test of the latest gas additive in the Midwest right > now.

Ho-hum..... > The gas companies say the additive adds 50 cents to the price of gas. Yeah, well, just because *you* are willing to accept as truth the words of those who are picking our pockets doesn't mean everybody does. What would you expect them to say?? > The people of the Midwest are screaming for government to look into the soaring > price of gas in their region only. And rightly so. Fortunately, sales of gas have fallen enough where state tax revenues are decreasing because of this. That'll force their hands to DO something, perhaps. >Duh The old additive cost 10 cents per > gallon, reduced gas mileage, did nothing to reduce emissions on cars with > feedback fuel injection (the vast majority), created noxious fumes affecting > some sensitive people, and has now been found to be poisoning water supplies. > Well done, EPA. And don't forget. Thank you Big Oil, too. The manufacturer ultimately bears the burden of product R&D, no? Of course, profits mean a hell of a lot more than my kid's air & water! > > > I think it's a matter of how you view it. Nobody owes the Oil > >Companies these obscene profit margins, American or European. > > > Adjusted for inflation, gas prices in most of the US are at the same level they > were in 1980, lower than they were in the mid '70s. Big deal. They were too damned high *then* too!! >SUV sales and total gas > usage are higher than ever. Despite the facts, you get mad at the oil > companies? Oh, geeez..... Who the hell are the ones that announced at the end of the last quarter that they, once again, had *RECORD PROFITS*? WTF else you gonna blame?!?!?! And I'll GUARANTEE they'll announce similarly at the end of this quarter. Out of our wallets, into their bank accounts... Guess you'd gladly surrender your $$ to them, instead of using it in more productive ways, huh? > Let me guess, you also think that "Big Tobacco" is to blame for the > fact that I choose to smoke. Well, I quit a little over 5 years ago after 20+ years of 3 1/2 packs a day. Let's just say I'm kinda familiar with their tactics of addicting people while their still to young & stupid to know any better, while realizing that most of these addicts they create will never be able to kick the habit and they'll be guaranteed a handsome income because of it! Hardly more than government-sanctioned legalized crack dealing. Another thing that's legal, but *wrong*. Fine them bastards out of business I say. In the meantime, a $5/pack tax wouldn't hurt. Maybe it could pay back for some of the medical bills the rest of us have to pick up for your "choosing to smoke". >Also the gun manufacturers are at fault because > with 50 million gun owners, a very small number of repeat felons commit half a > million violent crimes a year. I guess it is a matter of how you view it. I think this horse has been beat to death here on RAS before.... ;-) -- Chuck Kandler Humanity will not be happy until the day when the last bureaucrat has been hanged with the guts of the last capitalist. Marcin Tustin Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Woodie 83 wrote: > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Have we really just been so lucky all these years, and should be everso > > >grateful to the powers that be, or do the Europeans have even more of a > > >right to bitch for getting Ripped Off by Big Oil worse than we are?:-) > > > > Your use of the Clintonesque term "Big Oil" is telling. > Ha! Get this! Okay, from now on we should use "those little international mom & pop corner oil companies," where you're treated jes' lak a neighbor! --DK

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> > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Woodie 83 wrote: > > > > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >Have we really just been so lucky all these years, and should be ever > so > > > >grateful to the powers that be, or do the Europeans have even more of a > > > >right to bitch for getting Ripped Off by Big Oil worse than we are? > :-) > > > > > > Your use of the Clintonesque term "Big Oil" is telling. > > > > Ha! Get this! Okay, from now on we should use "those little international > mom & pop corner oil companies," where you're treated jes' lak a neighbor! > > --DK

ROTFLMAO!!!! Great comeback, David, keep 'em coming. -- Chuck Kandler GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15 GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

NO. It is taxes, ONLY. NOTHING ELSE. European countries have taxed oil and gas prices outrageously for many years. They have always paid as much as four or five times as much as the U S, and it all goes to the government's back pockets. The oil companies, other than the OPEC nations, are not making much more than they did in the 50's on a barrel of oil. ALL OIL PRICE INCREASES HAVE EITHER BEEN DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY DUE TO THE ACTIONS OF GOVERNMENTS. Nice to know all the really good guys we have out there looking out for us, ain't it? Andre Warringa wrote:

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> > On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:39:01 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I've often wondered about that, so I guess now's the best time to ask! = > > > >What is the reason for the big price jump once one gets to Europe? Is = > > > >it due to local taxes, national taxes, or are the oil companies raping = > > > >you guys even worse than they are us? > > All of them I think... prices are getting ridiculous these days. I > believe the taxes are higher than the value of the fuel itself... > Thank Cassidy (thank God I mean) my boss pays my fuel... > > Andre > > > > >-- > >Chuck Kandler > >(GPL Handicap of +249.31) > >K&S Racing > >http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > >