A road course I would love to see.. Philadelphia

Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to see used for.... whatever. For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't apparent on the map. Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to different types of road racing. Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of the Art Museum. This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors available! Well, there's some wishful thinking. Andrew

That is, Northbound at the intersection of 22nd and Benjamin Franklin Parkway.. Sorry! Andrew

Turner wrote: > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > available! > How long would this track be anyway? For a track editor, go to http://www.grandprix2.com/trackedit I bet this place would be a blast in GP2. -- Chuck Kandler (GPL Handicap of +249.31) K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Uhhhh, isn't that one road a big highway? I'm pretty sure that's the highway we use to come into Philadelphia from here, Reading. Thanks, Akex Turner wrote:

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> Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > see used for.... whatever. > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > apparent on the map. > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > different types of road racing. > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > the Art Museum. > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > available! > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > Andrew

I can't believe this. :-) I have had the same thoughts too. Same areas of the city. Most of the same streets actually. Wouldn't it be awesome to have F1 or CART cars whipping around City Hall, and especially up the Benjamin Franklin Parkway to the Art Museum and through the park? You've even included the Independence Hall area. Excellent. Maybe you'd like to work on a track for GP3 together. We can show it to the mayor and maybe get the ball rolling to bring a CART race here someday. :-) Actually, it's not that bad an idea. 3/4 of a million come out to see the bike race each year (last weekend). I'm sure the city would go crazy for an F1 or CART race. David G Fisher "Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > see used for.... whatever. > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > apparent on the map. > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > different types of road racing. > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > the Art Museum. > > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > available! > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > Andrew >

Hey guys, Just make sure it doesn't get near the China zone <VBG> For those not familiar - that is NOT a racist remark of any kind. Its just a big bickering argument between the mayor and various groups over the location of the new sports stadiums. Scott PA-Scott PowerSims.com

Actually, you know something, this COULD work. Why? John Street is very open to suggestions. Ed Rendell was a great guy, I'll always have liked him, but he never suggested bringing the X-Games to Philadelphia like Street did. From what I hear, John Street is more towards making Philadelphia a more, how do I put it nicely....maybe hollywood-ized town. A F1 race would definately rock. DEFINATELY. I honestly believe that an email or letter sent to him would garner a reply by him...be it positive or negative... I love my city :) The steps on the Art Museum is basically a grandstand already :) Ryan Murray

In article <[email hidden]>, Turner <[email hidden]> wrote: >Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to >see used for.... whatever. Ahhhh. I see I'm not the only one here who fantasizes about making local roads into tracks. >This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors >available! You said it. My greatest sim racing fantasy (as far as tracks go) would be the ability to go out and get GPS data of my local roads and import it into a track editor that would make tracks for any sim out there. -- | "Instead of letting the moon be the Bill Mette | gateway to our future, we have let Enteract, Chicago | it become a brief chapter in our [email hidden] | history." - Andrew Chaikin

No, you're thinking of I-76, the Schuylkill Expressway - AKA the "Sure Kill" Expressway - no, actually, it avoids that whole disaster... regards, Andrew [email hidden] wrote:

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> Uhhhh, isn't that one road a big highway? I'm pretty sure that's the > highway we use to come into Philadelphia from here, Reading. > > Thanks, > Akex > > Turner wrote: > > > Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > > see used for.... whatever. > > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > > apparent on the map. > > > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > > different types of road racing. > > > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > > the Art Museum. > > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > > available! > > > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > > > Andrew

Hi Uncle F., I'm not sure how long the course would be - I'll have to drive it to find out, or scale and estimate it-- probably about 4.5 miles or so... Anybody from here want to estimate? Thanks for pointing out the link below - I've never heard of it. Looks good. regards, Andrew Uncle Fester wrote:

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> Turner wrote: > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > > available! > > > > How long would this track be anyway? For a track editor, go to > http://www.grandprix2.com/trackedit I bet this place would be a blast > in GP2. > > -- > Chuck Kandler > (GPL Handicap of +249.31) > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Hey David, Is there supposed to be an editor for GP3? The track itself would be, I guess, fairly straighforward.. the topography would be tricky, and Center City? Ouch! That would be tough. This is why I wish some of the companies developing new racing sims would have a "what is your fantasy course?" contest, where you could propose something like this and the software company would foot the bill to include it in the sim if you won! Yeah, I've fantasized about an F1 race here for quite some time now.. the course, I'm sure, would change a little.. regards! Andrew David G Fisher wrote:

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> I can't believe this. :-) > > I have had the same thoughts too. Same areas of the city. Most of the same > streets actually. Wouldn't it be awesome to have F1 or CART cars whipping > around City Hall, and especially up the Benjamin Franklin Parkway to the Art > Museum and through the park? You've even included the Independence Hall > area. Excellent. > > Maybe you'd like to work on a track for GP3 together. We can show it to the > mayor and maybe get the ball rolling to bring a CART race here someday. :-) > > Actually, it's not that bad an idea. 3/4 of a million come out to see the > bike race each year (last weekend). I'm sure the city would go crazy for an > F1 or CART race. > > David G Fisher > > "Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > > see used for.... whatever. > > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > > apparent on the map. > > > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > > different types of road racing. > > > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > > the Art Museum. > > > > > > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > > available! > > > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > > > Andrew > >

Hey Ryan, Yeah, seriously. Of course, we're race fans, but could you imagine the presige this would bring to this city? (Can I say that? I live in Jersey now) Can you imaging the $$ it would bring here? And it would certainly prod the local government on to continue its city renovation projects.... I can see the international coverage on tv.. Should we? Andrew Ryan Murray wrote:

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> Actually, you know something, this COULD work. > > Why? > > John Street is very open to suggestions. Ed Rendell was a great guy, I'll > always have liked him, but he never suggested bringing the X-Games to > Philadelphia like Street did. From what I hear, John Street is more towards > making Philadelphia a more, how do I put it nicely....maybe hollywood-ized > town. > > A F1 race would definately rock. DEFINATELY. > > I honestly believe that an email or letter sent to him would garner a reply > by him...be it positive or negative... > > I love my city :) > > The steps on the Art Museum is basically a grandstand already :) > > Ryan Murray

Hey Dweeb, Yeah, and it would make a good segment of a road course, huh? Andrew Dweeb wrote:

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> I thought about this when I first got GPL. I take the West River Drive to > work each day. > > Turner wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > > >http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > > >Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > >see used for.... whatever. > >For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > >North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > >south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > >interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > >apparent on the map. > > > >Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > >different types of road racing. > > > >Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > >the Art Museum. > > > > > > > >This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > >available! > > > >Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > > >Andrew > >

I've also had this fantasy :) I actually have a couple paper drawings of courses i would like to drive (mostly combining really cool sections of public road). No courses that could actually exist cause I do the virutal "cut & paste" of road sections together. But still...I have some ideas that would really rock. Chris

Yeah, I really wish we had trackeditors...I would love to make a few streetcourses based on the local roads...coincedentally the track goes right in front of my house =) -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] GPLRank: 229.48 ICQ: 28171652 AIM: Kirker64 (IM me twice so I can reply...using a beta client) "The time has come for me to kill this game Now open wide and say my name" - "Space Lord", Monster Magnet Turner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > see used for.... whatever. > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > apparent on the map. > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > different types of road racing. > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > the Art Museum. > > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > available! > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > Andrew >

Sorry Kirk, we'll try to keep the noise down. Andrew Kirk Lane wrote:

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> Yeah, I really wish we had trackeditors...I would love to make a few > streetcourses based on the local roads...coincedentally the track goes right > in front of my house =) > > -- > Kirk Lane > [email hidden] > GPLRank: 229.48 > ICQ: 28171652 > AIM: Kirker64 > (IM me twice so I can reply...using a beta client) > > "The time has come for me to kill this game > Now open wide and say my name" > - "Space Lord", Monster Magnet > Turner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > > see used for.... whatever. > > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > > apparent on the map. > > > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > > different types of road racing. > > > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > > the Art Museum. > > > > > > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > > available! > > > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > > > Andrew > >

If Sam Katz was mayor it would happen. Damn Street had on a negative ad for Sam Katz that he doesn't care about the people of the city because HE WAS PLANNING TO BUILD A RACE TRACK! (then they showed Porsches and stuff going through a corner at some other track) I couldn't believe he said that, that just made me want to vote for him. But now, Street had to be elected, so no race track :( Looks like it's back to Nazereth. Thanks, Alex David G Fisher wrote:

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> I can't believe this. :-) > > I have had the same thoughts too. Same areas of the city. Most of the same > streets actually. Wouldn't it be awesome to have F1 or CART cars whipping > around City Hall, and especially up the Benjamin Franklin Parkway to the Art > Museum and through the park? You've even included the Independence Hall > area. Excellent. > > Maybe you'd like to work on a track for GP3 together. We can show it to the > mayor and maybe get the ball rolling to bring a CART race here someday. :-) > > Actually, it's not that bad an idea. 3/4 of a million come out to see the > bike race each year (last weekend). I'm sure the city would go crazy for an > F1 or CART race. > > David G Fisher > > "Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > > see used for.... whatever. > > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > > apparent on the map. > > > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > > different types of road racing. > > > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > > the Art Museum. > > > > > > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > > available! > > > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > > > Andrew > >

I think it's really more like 15-20 miles. This thing is at least as long as the bike-race course, which I think is 14 miles around. Unless I'm wrong. I think the section on the river drives between the art museum and the Falls bridge would be sufficient for a good course. Turner wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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>Hi Uncle F., > >I'm not sure how long the course would be - I'll have to drive it to find >out, or scale and estimate it-- probably about 4.5 miles or so... Anybody >from here want to estimate? > >Thanks for pointing out the link below - I've never heard of it. Looks >good. > >regards, >Andrew > >Uncle Fester wrote: > >> Turner wrote: >> >> > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors >> > available! >> > >> >> How long would this track be anyway? For a track editor, go to >> http://www.grandprix2.com/trackedit I bet this place would be a blast >> in GP2. >> >> -- >> Chuck Kandler >> (GPL Handicap of +249.31) >> K&S Racing >> http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 >

15-20 miles seems way too long to me... I will regenerate the map & measure to find out... Andrew Dweeb wrote:

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> I think it's really more like 15-20 miles. This thing is at least as long > as the bike-race course, which I think is 14 miles around. Unless I'm wrong. > > I think the section on the river drives between the art museum and the Falls > bridge would be sufficient for a good course. > > Turner wrote in message <[email hidden]>... > >Hi Uncle F., > > > >I'm not sure how long the course would be - I'll have to drive it to find > >out, or scale and estimate it-- probably about 4.5 miles or so... Anybody > >from here want to estimate? > > > >Thanks for pointing out the link below - I've never heard of it. Looks > >good. > > > >regards, > >Andrew > > > >Uncle Fester wrote: > > > >> Turner wrote: > >> > >> > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > >> > available! > >> > > >> > >> How long would this track be anyway? For a track editor, go to > >> http://www.grandprix2.com/trackedit I bet this place would be a blast > >> in GP2. > >> > >> -- > >> Chuck Kandler > >> (GPL Handicap of +249.31) > >> K&S Racing > >> http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > >

What? Noise? A Ferrari 312 dueling it out with a Lotus-Ford 49 during a quick second-gear straight between two 90 degree turns is not noise! It's music!! =) -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] GPLRank: 229.48 ICQ: 28171652 AIM: Kirker64 (IM me twice so I can reply...using a beta client) "The time has come for me to kill this game Now open wide and say my name" - "Space Lord", Monster Magnet Turner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sorry Kirk, we'll try to keep the noise down. > > Andrew > > Kirk Lane wrote: > > > Yeah, I really wish we had trackeditors...I would love to make a few > > streetcourses based on the local roads...coincedentally the track goes right > > in front of my house =) > > > > -- > > Kirk Lane > > [email hidden] > > GPLRank: 229.48 > > ICQ: 28171652 > > AIM: Kirker64 > > (IM me twice so I can reply...using a beta client) > > > > "The time has come for me to kill this game > > Now open wide and say my name" > > - "Space Lord", Monster Magnet > > Turner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > > > > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > > > > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love to > > > see used for.... whatever. > > > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of the track > > > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > > > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > > > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > > > apparent on the map. > > > > > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself well to > > > different types of road racing. > > > > > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > > > the Art Museum. > > > > > > > > > > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > > > available! > > > > > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > > > > > Andrew > > > >

I'm sure there will be one made for GP3, just like GP2. Hopefully, it will appear not too long after GP3 is released. David G Fisher "Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey David, > > Is there supposed to be an editor for GP3? > > The track itself would be, I guess, fairly straighforward.. the topographywould > be tricky, and Center City? Ouch! That would be tough. This is why I wishsome > of the companies developing new racing sims would have a "what is yourfantasy > course?" contest, where you could propose something like this and thesoftware

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> company would foot the bill to include it in the sim if you won! > > Yeah, I've fantasized about an F1 race here for quite some time now.. the > course, I'm sure, would change a little.. > > regards! > Andrew > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > I can't believe this. :-) > > > > I have had the same thoughts too. Same areas of the city. Most of the

same > > streets actually. Wouldn't it be awesome to have F1 or CART carswhipping > > around City Hall, and especially up the Benjamin Franklin Parkway to theArt > > Museum and through the park? You've even included the Independence Hall > > area. Excellent. > > > > Maybe you'd like to work on a track for GP3 together. We can show it tothe > > mayor and maybe get the ball rolling to bring a CART race here someday.:-) > > > > Actually, it's not that bad an idea. 3/4 of a million come out to seethe > > bike race each year (last weekend). I'm sure the city would go crazy foran

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> > F1 or CART race. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Hey everyone, especially those of you who know Philadelphia - > > > > > > http://www.voicenet.com/~turner4/Philadelphia/ > > > > > > Here is an image (sorry, a little big) of a road course I would love

to > > > see used for.... whatever. > > > For those of you unfamiliar with Philadelphia, the section of thetrack > > > North on Kelly Drive (parallel to the river), across the bridge, then > > > south on West River Drive (across the river from Kelly Drive) has some > > > interesting smaller curves and subtle elevation changes which aren't > > > apparent on the map. > > > > > > Originally I thought Formula 1, but it really would lend itself wellto

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> > > different types of road racing. > > > > > > Also, I have a few variations, some of which pass directly in front of > > > the Art Museum. > > > > > > > > > > > > This, my friends - *this* is why I wish there were track editors > > > available! > > > > > > Well, there's some wishful thinking. > > > > > > Andrew > > > >