Re: Ferrari setups with less understeer than AH´s needed!!!!

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>Hi Thomas, > >I did the same thing, started with AH's setup. When I went to Ricardo >Nunnini's setup, I liked it much better. I figured if I changed any of that >stuff, all I'd do is make it worse. Give it a try. Here is his site: > >http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/ > >There is a wealth of driving info there. > >Gene

Wow, I can barely DRIVE Ricardo's setups... I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

HI gang do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines�? I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less. I think I�m finally good enough to try some more competitive setups - only obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with. -- Thomas S�rensen Wilkensvej 45, 2. th 2000 Frederiksberg Denmark

Thanks - I have now lowered Front ARB 1 click + stiffened thr rear ARB 2 clicls on all ALisons setups for the original tracks. Expect to see me climb the GPL Rank ladder - hehe - hopefully Thomas "Kurt Steinbock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0nx15.242$[email hidden]...

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> > Thomas Soerensen wrote in message <8i63uv$2oo$[email hidden]>... > >HI gang > > > >do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little > >faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines�? > > > >I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less. > > > >I think I�m finally good enough to try some more competitive setups -

only > >obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with. > > > > > > Thomas, just take a click lower on the front ARB, and a click or twohigher > on the rear. That will make the setup a little looser. But if you wantto

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> go FASTER, you probably ought to be looking at the Eagle or the Lotus. > > Regards, > > Kurt > >

You can get all the information you need to know about GPL setups here: http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/ Basically, if you reduce the front roll bar (or increase the rear) you will reduce the understeer. Thomas Soerensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8i63uv$2oo$[email hidden]...

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> HI gang > > do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little > faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines�? > > I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less. > > I think I�m finally good enough to try some more competitive setups - only > obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with. > > > > -- > Thomas S�rensen > Wilkensvej 45, 2. th > 2000 Frederiksberg > Denmark > >

Thomas Soerensen wrote in message <8i63uv$2oo$[email hidden]>...

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>HI gang > >do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little >faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines�? > >I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less. > >I think I�m finally good enough to try some more competitive setups - only >obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with. >

Thomas, just take a click lower on the front ARB, and a click or two higher on the rear. That will make the setup a little looser. But if you want to go FASTER, you probably ought to be looking at the Eagle or the Lotus. Regards, Kurt

Hi Thomas, I did the same thing, started with AH's setup. When I went to Ricardo Nunnini's setup, I liked it much better. I figured if I changed any of that stuff, all I'd do is make it worse. Give it a try. Here is his site: http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/ There is a wealth of driving info there. Gene Thomas Soerensen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8i63uv$2oo$[email hidden]...

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> HI gang > > do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little > faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines�? > > I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less. > > I think I�m finally good enough to try some more competitive setups - only > obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with. > > > > -- > Thomas S�rensen > Wilkensvej 45, 2. th > 2000 Frederiksberg > Denmark > >

It is definately looser But it is not undrivable - just keep a bit of throttle on so that not all weight is off the rear at the entrance of the corner I took a lap at the ring with the new setup - I spun twice but still managed to be only 8 secs from my PB - so I think there is soon going to be Rank climbing party at my house BR Thomas "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thomas Soerensen wrote: > > > > Thanks - I have now lowered Front ARB 1 click + stiffened thr rear ARB 2 > > clicls on all ALisons setups for the original tracks. > > > > Expect to see me climb the GPL Rank ladder - hehe - hopefully > > Well, first I expect you to post a lot of spins :-) > > Softening the front as well as stiffening the rear ARB should most > certainly make your car looser :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

And what settings do you have for the Ferrari at The RIng then? Thomas "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thomas Soerensen wrote: > > > > It is definately looser > > > > But it is not undrivable - just keep a bit of throttle on so that notall > > weight is off the rear at the entrance of the corner > > > > I took a lap at the ring with the new setup - I spun twice but stillmanaged

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> > to be only 8 secs from my PB - so I think there is soon going to be Rank > > climbing party at my house > > Cool, some people can live with very loose setups, I can't, but I don't > like pushy setups either, so I spend a lot of time getting my setups > neutral for my driving style > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Hi Thomas, Try my Ferrari setup (8:29.xx). It was a V1.0 setup but the ride height was way above 2.5" so it works unchanged on V1.2. http://members.home.net/gpl.mondsj/gpl/Ferrari.html Some people change the gearing, but I find the way it is reduces power oversteer :-) Have fun, Jason. Thomas Soerensen wrote:

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> And what settings do you have for the Ferrari at The RIng then? > > Thomas > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Thomas Soerensen wrote: > > > > > > It is definately looser > > > > > > But it is not undrivable - just keep a bit of throttle on so that not > all > > > weight is off the rear at the entrance of the corner > > > > > > I took a lap at the ring with the new setup - I spun twice but still > managed > > > to be only 8 secs from my PB - so I think there is soon going to be Rank > > > climbing party at my house > > > > Cool, some people can live with very loose setups, I can't, but I don't > > like pushy setups either, so I spend a lot of time getting my setups > > neutral for my driving style > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > >

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In article <hFA15.204664$[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >I don't think you're actually doing something wrong Eldred. Except trying to >be someone else at too early a stage. Setups are a _very_ personal affair, >IMO. Look beyond conceptions of what is fast and what's not and look at what >the car does vs what you'd like it to be doing... then change the relevant >setting. > Too early a stage??? I've had GPL for almost two YEARS...! And I wouldn't have a CLUE what settings to change. >Once you've got the car responding to the way you drive you can begin to see >how you might gain by the way you approach the track. Make the driving >change first and then see how setup might help you. And so on and so forth. >After a while you will see yourself moving towards the faster setups. I used >to think Richard was talking rubbish... now I agree on most accounts. I've used Alison's Ferrari setups a lot, and I've gotten all that I can out of them. Yes, I know others have used them and been faster, but I'm stuck. I don't know what to change in my driving. And *don't* say brake left-footed. I don't seem to be that coordinated. > >There are, however, no shortcuts.... you must take the lohg way to what now, >rationally, seems faster. You cannot go from "slow" (you're not slow... you >can beat 80% of casual game players hands down) to fast in one swift swipe. >You must travel the learning curve. Not an easy process, but one that keeps >rewarding... take my word for it (2 years of playing GPL and counting)I don't need a shortcut. I'd settle for a 'medium-cut'...<g> > >Jan./this kind of talk earned me the nickname "Obi-Jan" on WVROC. >=--- Eldred - aspiring Jedi driver... -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. 2:12.80 minutes GPLRank:332 and falling.. Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I don't think you're actually doing something wrong Eldred. Except trying to be someone else at too early a stage. Setups are a _very_ personal affair, IMO. Look beyond conceptions of what is fast and what's not and look at what the car does vs what you'd like it to be doing... then change the relevant setting. Once you've got the car responding to the way you drive you can begin to see how you might gain by the way you approach the track. Make the driving change first and then see how setup might help you. And so on and so forth. After a while you will see yourself moving towards the faster setups. I used to think Richard was talking rubbish... now I agree on most accounts. There are, however, no shortcuts.... you must take the lohg way to what now, rationally, seems faster. You cannot go from "slow" (you're not slow... you can beat 80% of casual game players hands down) to fast in one swift swipe. You must travel the learning curve. Not an easy process, but one that keeps rewarding... take my word for it (2 years of playing GPL and counting) Jan./this kind of talk earned me the nickname "Obi-Jan" on WVROC. =--- EldredP wrote... > ><snip> > Wow, I can barely DRIVE Ricardo's setups... I'm not sure what I'm doingwrong.

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> :( > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > Own Grand Prix Legends? http://www.vroc.net > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

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Thomas Soerensen wrote:

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> > HI gang > > do es anyone have some setups for the red rocket that is maybe a little > faster but maybe a little less forgingin than Alison Hines�? > > I have gotten used to the understeer now - but would like less. > > I think I�m finally good enough to try some more competitive setups - only > obstacle is that I have no idea what to tinker with. > > -- > Thomas S�rensen > Wilkensvej 45, 2. th > 2000 Frederiksberg > Denmark

May I also suggest playing with the differential locking a bit? What people suggested regarding the ARBs is true, but the differential lock is probably the most overlooked area of setups regarding the balance of the cars, especially regarding the turn entry. Basically, the higher the coast ramp angle and the lower the number of clutches, the more the car will oversteer when entering a turn. I am also a Ferrari man and I run 60/60 ramp angles with 1 clutch at most track. It gives excellent traction at, for example, Parabolica, and great turn in. Basically the car oversteers into a corner this way and because it gets quite high yaw angles it is slowing down, so in effect you are trail braking into a corner without using the brakes. You might find the car quite nervous with such a setting at first, but once you get used to it it's pretty fast. I admit to being a relatively slow driver, but I just set my PB of 1.29.35 at Monza with such a setup yesterday, and it was in one of the last laps of a race. I usually set all my best laps in races, go figure. -Gregor

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> > . I usually set > > all my best laps in races, go figure. > > > > -Gregor > > Interesting point Gregor. I have just taken a look at my league statistics. > Of the 16 races that we have run this seasson, 14 have produced slower times > in qualifying than in the actual race. I wonder how people's philosopy on > qualifying setups differs from race setups, if people actually use different > ones at all (apart from maybe dumping fuel). > > MS > > .

It't true that I only go for a driveable setup that doesn't have too much pushing or loosenes in it, and then I only adjust fuel for the qualifying or races. But what amazes me that I can be faster after plenty of laps in a race. My guess is that the tyre temperatures and my driving style have stabilized over such a long time, so I am better at finding my limits. -Gregor

. I usually set > all my best laps in races, go figure. > > -Gregor Interesting point Gregor. I have just taken a look at my league statistics. Of the 16 races that we have run this seasson, 14 have produced slower times in qualifying than in the actual race. I wonder how people's philosopy on qualifying setups differs from race setups, if people actually use different ones at all (apart from maybe dumping fuel). MS .

If you have understeer mid-corner, try holding the throttle so the car is neither accelerating or decelerating. A lot of times what you feel for understeer is that the rear differential is locked and both rear wheels are trying to push the car straight ahead. I was sorta decelerating/coasting from turn-in to apex until I figured out that the only time the rear end wasn't locked was when I held the throttle correctly for zero acceleration/deceleration. It's remarkable just how much faster the car can take a corner when you do this because the rear wheels can rotate different speeds. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL

Thomas Soerensen wrote: > > Thanks - I have now lowered Front ARB 1 click + stiffened thr rear ARB 2 > clicls on all ALisons setups for the original tracks. > > Expect to see me climb the GPL Rank ladder - hehe - hopefully Well, first I expect you to post a lot of spins :-) Softening the front as well as stiffening the rear ARB should most certainly make your car looser :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Thomas Soerensen wrote:

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> > It is definately looser > > But it is not undrivable - just keep a bit of throttle on so that not all > weight is off the rear at the entrance of the corner > > I took a lap at the ring with the new setup - I spun twice but still managed > to be only 8 secs from my PB - so I think there is soon going to be Rank > climbing party at my house

Cool, some people can live with very loose setups, I can't, but I don't like pushy setups either, so I spend a lot of time getting my setups neutral for my driving style Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Thomas Soerensen wrote: > > And what settings do you have for the Ferrari at The RIng then? I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you :-) I don't race GPL at all really, I just practice, I enjoy taking different cars out for a spin (literally :-) around Zandvoort every now and then, not to drive competitively, but just to enjoy the best physics model seen in a racing sim so far, so I don't develop my setups to be as fast as possible, I just play around to have fun and enjoy the ride This is why I can't wait for N4 to come out and for certain people to do their magic, a Larry Perkins Commodore V8 at Bathurst is what I really want to enjoy, all based on N4 of course :-))) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Ron Ayton wrote:

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> > Now you are talking Goy... :) > > I am hoping N4 will live up to it's hype as well and we can finally get the > base for a decent imitation of the Aussie V8 series.. > Bathurst would be a great track in any sim, but on-line it would definetely > take some beating.. > Trouble is, we would have to handicap the Commodores to give the Falcons a > chance at staying on the same lap.. <G> > Go Commodore. :) > If your interested in our V8 series, you can find some info here: > > http://www.v8supercar.com.au/

Thx for the link Ron, but rest assured, with Stan "Kanga Power" Allen in the Pit Crew, we're never left to wonder what's happening in the series :-), good thing he's a Holden fan as well :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in article > This is why I can't wait for N4 to come out and for certain people to dotheir magic, a Larry Perkins Commodore V8 at Bathurst is what I really want to enjoy, all based on N4 of course :-))) > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy Now you are talking Goy... :) I am hoping N4 will live up to it's hype as well and we can finally get the base for a decent imitation of the Aussie V8 series.. Bathurst would be a great track in any sim, but on-line it would definetely take some beating.. Trouble is, we would have to handicap the Commodores to give the Falcons a chance at staying on the same lap.. <G> Go Commodore. :) If your interested in our V8 series, you can find some info here: http://www.v8supercar.com.au/ Cheers, Ron Ayton Australia