What does the F12k 1.09 patch do???

What does the F12k 1.09 patch do??? I have the 1.06 patch

At Blackhole Motorsports they have the patch and also a description of what it does www.bhmotorsports.com "TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What does the F12k 1.09 patch do??? > I have the 1.06 patch

You can find a full list of fixes at http://www.simracingnews.com/article.cfm?news_id=1349 -- Kenneth Verburg Editor-in-Chief, High Gear http://www.simracingnews.com

I liked "Removed crash effect from force feedback." What the hell kind of way is that to fix the FF crashes that some people were having? -- [email hidden] "Kenneth Verburg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xZD65.21184$[email hidden]... > You can find a full list of fixes at > http://www.simracingnews.com/article.cfm?news_id=1349 > > -- > Kenneth Verburg > Editor-in-Chief, High Gear > http://www.simracingnews.com > >

Maybe they mean crash in a program sense. Seems the most likely scenario! Iain Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:viJ65.11932$[email hidden]...

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> I liked "Removed crash effect from force feedback." > What the hell kind of way is that to fix the FF crashes > that some people were having? > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > "Kenneth Verburg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xZD65.21184$[email hidden]... > > You can find a full list of fixes at > > http://www.simracingnews.com/article.cfm?news_id=1349 > > > > -- > > Kenneth Verburg > > Editor-in-Chief, High Gear > > http://www.simracingnews.com > > > > > >

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HIN65.1142$[email hidden]... > Maybe they mean crash in a program sense. Seems the most likely scenario! > Iain The way I read it is they took out the FF crash effect. Which obviously would solve the problem of the program crashing after you hit something. Has anyone tried the patch yet to see what the deal is? I won't be able to drive (on the computer or in real life) for probably another month or two :-( -- [email hidden]

Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%H075.12817$[email hidden]...

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> <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:01:36 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > > thus spoke: > > > > >I won't be able > > >to drive (on the computer or in real life) for probably another month

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> > >two :-( > > > > Why's that? > > Because I tore the Achilles tendon on my right foot a month ago > and have been recovering from repair surgery. >

Greg, Best wishes for a speedy recovery. Do everything your doctor and physio recommend, as the Achilles is a nasty one if it doesn't heal properly. The forces which go through many of the tendons of the leg are astounding... cheers Stephen

hi seems like 109 did not do much more than what 106 did I sure did not note any difference in the game did you ?? Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XNO65.11969$[email hidden]... > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HIN65.1142$[email hidden]... > > Maybe they mean crash in a program sense. Seems the most likelyscenario!

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> > Iain > > The way I read it is they took out the FF crash effect. Which obviously > would solve the problem of the program crashing after you hit something. > Has anyone tried the patch yet to see what the deal is? I won't be able > to drive (on the computer or in real life) for probably another month or > two :-( > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > >

On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:01:36 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I won't be able >to drive (on the computer or in real life) for probably another month or >two :-( Why's that? -- Nos

I know what you mean Greg, but reading it again you could take a different meaning. Iain Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XNO65.11969$[email hidden]... > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HIN65.1142$[email hidden]... > > Maybe they mean crash in a program sense. Seems the most likelyscenario!

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> > Iain > > The way I read it is they took out the FF crash effect. Which obviously > would solve the problem of the program crashing after you hit something. > Has anyone tried the patch yet to see what the deal is? I won't be able > to drive (on the computer or in real life) for probably another month or > two :-( > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > >

thus spoke: Why's that? -- Nos

thus spoke: Ouch! But, that means a month or so off work, right? :-) -- Nos

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> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:01:36 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > thus spoke: > > >I won't be able > >to drive (on the computer or in real life) for probably another month or > >two :-( > > Why's that?

Because I tore the Achilles tendon on my right foot a month ago and have been recovering from repair surgery. -- [email hidden]

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JHW65.71$[email hidden]... > I know what you mean Greg, but reading it again you could take a different > meaning. OK yeah... But what if you actually try it? I'm betting I am right. :-) -- [email hidden]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:51:00 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Because I tore the Achilles tendon on my right foot a month ago >and have been recovering from repair surgery. Ouch! But, that means a month or so off work, right? :-) -- Nos

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> > Because I tore the Achilles tendon on my right foot a month ago > and have been recovering from repair surgery. > > -- > > [email hidden]

Ouch, Greg, that hurts! My uncle had that and it wasn't pretty. He said was playing tennis and suddenly he heard a snap much like a gunshot, and then his foot just wouldn't come off the ground. Sends shivers down my spine just imagining it! I wish you a really fast recovery! The doctor ordered only fast jet sims for you, no rudder pedals :). Or a Logitech Wingman 3D or something like that, or Thrustmater GP1 wheel (or Nascar Sprint) with paddles for brake and gas. Seriously, get well soon! -Gregor

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> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:51:00 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > thus spoke: > > > >Because I tore the Achilles tendon on my right foot a month ago > >and have been recovering from repair surgery. > > Ouch! But, that means a month or so off work, right? :-)

:-) All in all though, I would rather not have this happen. -- [email hidden]

"Gregor Veble" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ouch, Greg, that hurts! My uncle had that and it wasn't pretty. He said > was playing tennis and suddenly he heard a snap much like a gunshot, and > then his foot just wouldn't come off the ground. Sends shivers down my > spine just imagining it! Well I was playing volley ball. After we were done, I was sitting down thinking boy this kind of hurts over here. 10 days later everything seemed fine and I was in my garage chasing after a run away garage door. The first hard pushoff I did on my right foot did it. Right where it was hurting 10 days earlier. No snap or anything like that. But I knew what happened because I was sort of worried about it :-) > I wish you a really fast recovery! The doctor ordered only fast jet sims > for you, no rudder pedals :). Or a Logitech Wingman 3D or something like > that, or Thrustmater GP1 wheel (or Nascar Sprint) with paddles for brake > and gas. > > Seriously, get well soon! Thanks for the kind words... I have been doing Freespace2 and F4 when my leg doesn't bother me so much :-) -- [email hidden]

"Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:395ca75b$[email hidden]... > Greg, > > Best wishes for a speedy recovery. Do everything your doctor and physio > recommend, as the Achilles is a nasty one if it doesn't heal properly.The > forces which go through many of the tendons of the leg are astounding... Thanks for the kind words. The Dr said I should be able to start putting some pressure on it in 2 weeks. So we will see I guess :-) -- [email hidden]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:57:48 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >All in all though, I would rather not have this happen. No, of course not. I lose function of my left leg a number of months every year due to venous stasis so know what it is like and have for about four years now. Get's these nasty ulcers in my ankle which make doing anything painful. Damn things take about 3-4 months to heal too. In the meantime get a copy of Combat Mission so you can play a game with just the mouse. Very good wargame. -- Nos

On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:32:15 +0800, "* Leong" <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>hi > >seems like 109 did not do much more than >what 106 did > >I sure did not note any difference in the game >did you ??

I've only driven one race since 1.09, but there was no massive pile up in the first turn at Albert Park so either the patch has greatly improved the AI or I got lucky. -- Nos

I never bet for money - unless I'm guaranteed to win! Iain Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PI075.12818$[email hidden]... > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:JHW65.71$[email hidden]... > > I know what you mean Greg, but reading it again you could take adifferent

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> > meaning. > > OK yeah... But what if you actually try it? I'm betting I am right. > > :-) > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > >

Thanks! I think it is going to be OK... --

Just tried it and yep, the FF effect on collision has been removed. Obviously a sloppy way to 'fix' the problem that some people were having. Iain

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> > I never bet for money - unless I'm guaranteed to win! > Well one person in another post seemed to confirm my > suspecions. Unfortunately... > -- > > Iain > > > > I know what you mean Greg, but reading it again you could take a > > different > > > > meaning. > > > OK yeah... But what if you actually try it? I'm betting I am right. > > > :-) > > > --

Exactly... Glad to hear about this, I am sticking with 1.06. My opinion of the F1 2000 programers just went into the toilet. This is almost worse than what the falcon4 programers did to "optomize" framerate. They reduced the bubble size to 1. This has been reversed as of late, that the F4 team kind of sucked to come up with that "optomization". Sheesh no wonder the PC game hobby is crapping out. -- > Iain > > > I never bet for money - unless I'm guaranteed to win! > > Well one person in another post seemed to confirm my > > suspecions. Unfortunately... > > -- > > > Iain > > > > > I know what you mean Greg, but reading it again you could take a > > > different > > > > > meaning. > > > > OK yeah... But what if you actually try it? I'm betting I am right. > > > > :-) > > > > --

yeah but 106 also did not create the pile up anycase F1 2000 now as it is things are looking good

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> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:32:15 +0800, "* Leong" > >hi > >seems like 109 did not do much more than > >what 106 did > >I sure did not note any difference in the game > >did you ?? > I've only driven one race since 1.09, but there was no massive pile up > in the first turn at Albert Park so either the patch has greatly > improved the AI or I got lucky. > -- > Nos

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've only driven one race since 1.09, but there was no massive pile up > in the first turn at Albert Park so either the patch has greatly > improved the AI or I got lucky. Well that may not be realistic :-) Many races have tangles at the first turn... Do you have a FF wheel??? If so what about the crash FF effect with the new patch? -- [email hidden]

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7ph75.1581$[email hidden]... > I never bet for money - unless I'm guaranteed to win! Well one person in another post seemed to confirm my suspecions. Unfortunately... -- [email hidden] > Iain > > Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PI075.12818$[email hidden]... > > "Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:JHW65.71$[email hidden]... > > > I know what you mean Greg, but reading it again you could take a > different > > > meaning. > > > > OK yeah... But what if you actually try it? I'm betting I am right. > > > > :-) > > > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Weaver" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sorry to hear that Greg - hope that all goes well. Thanks! I think it is going to be OK... -- [email hidden]

Was (is) it not possible to adjust the bubble size in F4? I thought it was. Iain > > Just tried it and yep, the FF effect on collision has been removed. > > Obviously a sloppy way to 'fix' the problem that some people were having.

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> Exactly... Glad to hear about this, I am sticking with 1.06. My > opinion of the F1 2000 programers just went into the toilet. > This is almost worse than what the falcon4 programers did > to "optomize" framerate. They reduced the bubble size to > 1. This has been reversed as of late, that the F4 team kind > of sucked to come up with that "optomization". > Sheesh no wonder the PC game hobby is crapping out. > -- > > Iain > > > > I never bet for money - unless I'm guaranteed to win! > > > Well one person in another post seemed to confirm my > > > suspecions. Unfortunately... > > > -- > > > > Iain > > > > > > I know what you mean Greg, but reading it again you could take a > > > > different > > > > > > meaning. > > > > > OK yeah... But what if you actually try it? I'm betting I am

right. > > > > > :-) > > > > > --

On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:21:12 +0800, "* Leong" I still got pile ups with 1.06. Need to test some more to see if there is a dif in this area between .06 and .09. -- Nos

On Sun, 2 Jul 2000 06:47:52 +0100, "Iain Mackenzie" With 1.08us it makes no dif adjusting the slider. There is a 3rd party hack now that fixes it though and does allow for adjustment. -- Nos

You can change it manually. Go to your ....falcon4\campaign\save directory and edit the file falcon4.aii. Look for simbubbledata, the default value is 350000 IIRC. Lowering this value will decrease the bubble size (mine's set to 150000 at the moment).

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> Was (is) it not possible to adjust the bubble size in F4? I thought it was. > Iain > > > Just tried it and yep, the FF effect on collision has been removed. > > > Obviously a sloppy way to 'fix' the problem that some people were > having. > > Exactly... Glad to hear about this, I am sticking with 1.06. My > > opinion of the F1 2000 programers just went into the toilet. > > This is almost worse than what the falcon4 programers did > > to "optomize" framerate. They reduced the bubble size to > > 1. This has been reversed as of late, that the F4 team kind > > of sucked to come up with that "optomization". > > Sheesh no wonder the PC game hobby is crapping out. > > -- > > > Iain > > > > > I never bet for money - unless I'm guaranteed to win! > > > > Well one person in another post seemed to confirm my > > > > suspecions. Unfortunately... > > > > -- > > > > > Iain > > > > > > > I know what you mean Greg, but reading it again you could take a > > > > > different > > > > > > > meaning. > > > > > > OK yeah... But what if you actually try it? I'm betting I am > right. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > --

"Iain Mackenzie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kIA75.2843$[email hidden]... > Was (is) it not possible to adjust the bubble size in F4? I thought itwas. It was not possible until the legendary assembly hex hacker Sylvan found it and fixed it. This was way before the code for the game was illegally leaked to the net. Until then you could certainly slide the bubble slider, but it changed nothing at all. That is why your wingies missed their bomb attempts most times. Then there is a secondary bubble stuff :-) -- [email hidden]