Re: Eldred

It seems to me that we're all babying Mr. Pickens just a little too much. A swift kick to the groin, a thrown gauntlet, or some pie in the face might do the trick where the nice-nice and well-meaning advice hasn't. I think a little motivation in the form of a friendly wave as you pass him on the 'Ring ought to do nicely. Michael. "A Thomas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8jdvsb$82o$[email hidden]... > > EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <EJf65.99$[email hidden]>, "TroyRosenberg"

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> > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Hows the ring practice going.....Close to a sub 9min yet? > > > > > >Troy > > > > 9:00.60...<sigh> > > > > Eldred > > It must have been awful when you saw that time . So near and yet so far

In article <8jcolp$3m1r$[email hidden]>, "argh!" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Same here. I've managed to negotiate one whole weekend for this purpose :) >(Wife is travelling then and takes our daughter also, so the Track will be >all mine... >The pb:s will be dropping like flies at that time.) > >>And perhaps it would be better to refer of Eldred as a "benchmark" rather >than a >>target (sounds less like we are gunning for him). > >Agreed.

You guys are gonna have it easy. Except for Nurburgring, I've hit a wall at all the tracks. I haven't figured out how to go faster, no matter HOW many laps I do... :( I can't even get CLOSE to my PBs right now... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <EJf65.99$[email hidden]>, "Troy Rosenberg" <[email hidden]> writes: >Hows the ring practice going.....Close to a sub 9min yet? > >Troy 9:00.60...<sigh> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> You guys are gonna have it easy. Except for Nurburgring, I've hit a wallat > all the tracks. I haven't figured out how to go faster, no matter HOWmany > laps I do... :( > I can't even get CLOSE to my PBs right now... > > Eldred If that's the case, it's probably time to put it down for a while. I was driving REALLY badly a few weeks back so I put my wheel in the closet and didn't play for two weeks. When I eventually played again I beat 3 of my PBs in one night. Sometimes it helps to give yourself a break and get out the rut that you're in. When you start back again, it's easy to see where you were making mistakes that you didn't notice before. Cheers, ...Colin

In article <[email hidden]>, Ken MacKay <[email hidden]> writes:

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>But Eldred you still have one card up your sleeve ... or maybe I should say >foot on >the floor <g>. Once you get tired of the Ring give that left foot a try. >Maybe >start at one of the short ovals so you have some time to play with the brake >while >in a relatively slow speed turn. You'll probably go slower until you get used >to it >but when you do it's going to pay off. I'm amazed you can do those times >without >left foot braking. > >Oh, and who hasn't hit a wall (or armco or tree or...) at all of the tracks ><g> >

ROTFL! I hadn't actually thought of using an oval track to practice. I think I tried it once, just as an experiment, though. Kept spinning out...and got fed up. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've as good as given up trying to catch you now Eldred . You've got too damn fast lately . Slowpoke my foot. I made a little progress at the Ring earlier and after trying out a new setup at Rouen , I wiped 4 seconds off my PB after only 2 laps and I didn't get the best out the car (stating the obvious). I think I'll have to set my sights on a certain Ken McKay for now . I need about 10 secs by tonight's ranking. Andrew EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <8jcolp$3m1r$[email hidden]>, "argh!"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Same here. I've managed to negotiate one whole weekend for this purpose:) > >(Wife is travelling then and takes our daughter also, so the Track willbe > >all mine... > >The pb:s will be dropping like flies at that time.) > > > >>And perhaps it would be better to refer of Eldred as a "benchmark"rather > >than a > >>target (sounds less like we are gunning for him). > > > >Agreed. > > You guys are gonna have it easy. Except for Nurburgring, I've hit a wallat > all the tracks. I haven't figured out how to go faster, no matter HOWmany

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> laps I do... :( > I can't even get CLOSE to my PBs right now... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <EJf65.99$[email hidden]>, "Troy Rosenberg" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Hows the ring practice going.....Close to a sub 9min yet? > > > >Troy > > 9:00.60...<sigh> > > Eldred

It must have been awful when you saw that time . So near and yet so far Andrew > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beatsyou > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hello, >I too hope he gets well below the 9 >minute mark at the Ring as this means there is a good chance I can do it aswell >(provided I can find the time to practice). This was the point for me also. I have a 9:28.xx my current pb, but it includes a major offroad excursion. If I try not to spin, I end up with 10:0x:xx. Well its all just lack of practice and remembering the turns. It just takes time. >Hmmm....how to convince my wife that I >need to spend a few days of my vacation on the computer because of thisEldred >guy <vbg> Same here. I've managed to negotiate one whole weekend for this purpose :) (Wife is travelling then and takes our daughter also, so the Track will be all mine... The pb:s will be dropping like flies at that time.) >And perhaps it would be better to refer of Eldred as a "benchmark" ratherthan a >target (sounds less like we are gunning for him). Agreed. Jyrki Laine GPLRank 102.23 (No improvements lately :( ) -- <-- No electrons were harmed in production of this message -->

Oops. Sorry, I totally screwed the quoting in my earlier post. Sorry again... (goes quietly to the corner to read netiquette.) Jyrki Laine GPLRank 102.23 (No improvements lately :( ) -- <-- No electrons were harmed in production of this message -->

Hello, Troy Rosenberg wrote in message ... >Hows the ring practice going.....Close to a sub 9min yet? > I hope he does not get too soon under 9min ;) No, really I hope he does. It makes my job in catching him a bit harder, but I'll get him anyway! Yes. I hope Eldred does not mind, but I too have set him as a target. Latest I've checked we are in the same second in 6 of the tracks. I still need to improve at Glen, Silverstone and Zandvoort (this is going to be a tough one). And of course at the Ring, but that's another story. Last nigth I got over 6secs from my previous pb at Spa! I did not change my setup, but just drove faster :) which I honestly did not think was possible, but those replay comparing utilities are just unbelievable! Cheers. Jyrki Laine GPLRank 102.23 (still needs looots of work...) -- <-- No electrons were harmed in production of this message -->

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> Hello, > > Troy Rosenberg wrote in message ... > >Hows the ring practice going.....Close to a sub 9min yet? > > > > I hope he does not get too soon under 9min ;) > No, really I hope he does. > > It makes my job in catching him a bit harder, but I'll get him anyway! > > Yes. I hope Eldred does not mind, but I too have set him as a target. > Latest I've checked we are in the same second in 6 of the tracks. > I still need to improve at Glen, Silverstone and Zandvoort (this is going to > be a tough one). > And of course at the Ring, but that's another story. > > Last nigth I got over 6secs from my previous pb at Spa! > I did not change my setup, but just drove faster :) which I honestly did not > think > was possible, but those replay comparing utilities are just unbelievable! > > Cheers. > > Jyrki Laine > GPLRank 102.23 (still needs looots of work...) > -- > <-- > No electrons were harmed in production of this message > -->

Ah! Yet another patron of St. Eldred <g>. I too hope he gets well below the 9 minute mark at the Ring as this means there is a good chance I can do it as well (provided I can find the time to practice). Besides the Ring, I still need to get a few more laps at Monaco, Kyalami, and Spa to close the gap but I am within +/- 2 seconds at the rest of the tracks. Hmmm....how to convince my wife that I need to spend a few days of my vacation on the computer because of this Eldred guy <vbg> And perhaps it would be better to refer of Eldred as a "benchmark" rather than a target (sounds less like we are gunning for him). Keep up the good work Eldred, like it or not you are gathering quite a few followers. Ken MacKay Halifax, Canada GPL Handicap +111.61

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> In article <8jcolp$3m1r$[email hidden]>, "argh!" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Same here. I've managed to negotiate one whole weekend for this purpose :) > >(Wife is travelling then and takes our daughter also, so the Track will be > >all mine... > >The pb:s will be dropping like flies at that time.) > > > >>And perhaps it would be better to refer of Eldred as a "benchmark" rather > >than a > >>target (sounds less like we are gunning for him). > > > >Agreed. > > You guys are gonna have it easy. Except for Nurburgring, I've hit a wall at > all the tracks. I haven't figured out how to go faster, no matter HOW many > laps I do... :( > I can't even get CLOSE to my PBs right now... > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

But Eldred you still have one card up your sleeve ... or maybe I should say foot on the floor <g>. Once you get tired of the Ring give that left foot a try. Maybe start at one of the short ovals so you have some time to play with the brake while in a relatively slow speed turn. You'll probably go slower until you get used to it but when you do it's going to pay off. I'm amazed you can do those times without left foot braking. Oh, and who hasn't hit a wall (or armco or tree or...) at all of the tracks <g> Ken MacKay Halifax, Canada GPL Handicap +111.61

Don't you hate that. I've been focusing on monza lately (trying to get competitive on vroc and it is a very popular track). I feel so much better and so much more in control and my PB is where it was 6/8/2000 around when i got my voodoo and started playing this beast again. I take 3 months off and hit 1:29.97 at monza locking up the wheels and generally flying all over the place. Three weeks of solid practice later I hit (last night on fumes) 29.97. ARRRGGGHHHHH!!! but i'll take it. I do find i am much more consistent. If i concentrate i could probably run a grand prix without crashing if i keep it in the 31s. I think setup HAS to have something to do with it. I was looping a 30.01 lap i did against GH's 26.xx replay using spygirl and his car is practically scraping the ground. Mine looks like a monster truck by comparison (using default). Anyway after running that loop I went back and put together a lap between me and Matt Sentel. That felt better cuz I actually beat him. I let that one run all night. Cheers and keep driving. You have the dubious distinction of being an inspriation to all us slowpokes :-) PS. If you stop hitting walls you may pick up a little speed :-P On 28 Jun 2000 14:42:37 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>You guys are gonna have it easy. Except for Nurburgring, I've hit a wall at >all the tracks. I haven't figured out how to go faster, no matter HOW many >laps I do... :( >I can't even get CLOSE to my PBs right now... > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL hcp. +70.45 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

How do you expect to get better when you don't realize how good you already are :-) "9:00.60 <sigh>"? Don't you mean <yipee> I try (impossible) to think about how well i hit one, two or three particular corners or sequences and then just concentrating on line for the rest of the lap. If you concentrate too much on lap time you end up driving like a banshee at the start and then slowly getting tentative (which can kill you as you oversteer into a corner cuz you are used to hitting it 10mph faster) for the rest of the lap to make good on your successful jump off the flugplatz. Of course I totally suck (er, I mean I am still learning) so any advice from me should be absolutely and without reservation ignored. Chris Hansen (who has begun taking a picnic basket on his laps around the ring) On 28 Jun 2000 14:42:38 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <EJf65.99$[email hidden]>, "Troy Rosenberg" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Hows the ring practice going.....Close to a sub 9min yet? >> >>Troy > >9:00.60...<sigh> > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL hcp. +70.45 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

So, 0.61 seconds away from being sub-9, that's quite a small margin really, you only need to be 3-4mph faster through a corner to make that up. Chin-up lad, you're so very close now! -- -Ace- EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <EJf65.99$[email hidden]>, "Troy Rosenberg" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Hows the ring practice going.....Close to a sub 9min yet? > > > >Troy > > 9:00.60...<sigh> > > Eldred > --

Hows the ring practice going.....Close to a sub 9min yet? Troy

Andrew Better do it sooner than later because as soon as I can find a few hours to play I should be able to drop below 100 with a few more laps at Monaco, Spa, and Kyalami. And if I can get a whole afternoon to myself I think a sub 9:00 at the Ring is in order. Don't you just love moving targets...errr benchmarks. Hmmm...all this bragging and competition... seems to me this is not my usual nature. I wonder... Are GPL fans competitive and boastful? <G> Ken MacKay Halifax, Canada GPL Handicap +111.61 A Thomas wrote:

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> I've as good as given up trying to catch you now Eldred . You've got too > damn fast lately . Slowpoke my foot. I made a little progress at the Ring > earlier and after trying out a new setup at Rouen , I wiped 4 seconds off my > PB after only 2 laps and I didn't get the best out the car (stating the > obvious). I think I'll have to set my sights on a certain Ken McKay for now > . I need about 10 secs by tonight's ranking. > > Andrew > EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <8jcolp$3m1r$[email hidden]>, "argh!" > <[email hidden]> > > writes: > > > > >Same here. I've managed to negotiate one whole weekend for this purpose > :) > > >(Wife is travelling then and takes our daughter also, so the Track will > be > > >all mine... > > >The pb:s will be dropping like flies at that time.) > > > > > >>And perhaps it would be better to refer of Eldred as a "benchmark" > rather > > >than a > > >>target (sounds less like we are gunning for him). > > > > > >Agreed. > > > > You guys are gonna have it easy. Except for Nurburgring, I've hit a wall > at > > all the tracks. I haven't figured out how to go faster, no matter HOW > many > > laps I do... :( > > I can't even get CLOSE to my PBs right now... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

me too. i've got an expensive set of ch usb pedals but can't drive for poo with them. Anyway, for all you realism freaks, I've heard that left foot braking was not done in those old cars and (I have no idea if this is true) wasn't even possible because of the way they were set up. Chris "That's my story and I'm sticking to it" Hansen On 28 Jun 2000 20:59:34 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Ken MacKay ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>But Eldred you still have one card up your sleeve ... or maybe I should say >>foot on >>the floor <g>. Once you get tired of the Ring give that left foot a try. >>Maybe >>start at one of the short ovals so you have some time to play with the brake >>while >>in a relatively slow speed turn. You'll probably go slower until you get used >>to it >>but when you do it's going to pay off. I'm amazed you can do those times >>without >>left foot braking. >> >>Oh, and who hasn't hit a wall (or armco or tree or...) at all of the tracks >><g> >> > >ROTFL! > >I hadn't actually thought of using an oval track to practice. I think I tried >it once, just as an experiment, though. Kept spinning out...and got fed up. > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL hcp. +70.45 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

No, we're RUDE and INTOLERANT!!! I WILL NOT have you ruining OUR GOOD NAME!!! <vbg> -- -Ace- Ken MacKay <[email hidden]> wrote in message . <snip> > Hmmm...all this bragging and competition... seems to me this is not my usual > nature. I wonder... Are GPL fans competitive and boastful? <G> > > Ken MacKay > Halifax, Canada > GPL Handicap +111.61 ><snip>

Michael Young <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It seems to me that we're all babying Mr. Pickens just a little too much.A > swift kick to the groin, a thrown gauntlet, or some pie in the face mightdo > the trick where the nice-nice and well-meaning advice hasn't. I think a > little motivation in the form of a friendly wave as you pass him on the > 'Ring ought to do nicely.<Snip> Hey Eldred, Your too slow, damn you! <swift kick to groin> Now wait, as our hero does an 8:14 tonight... -- -Ace-

In article <[email hidden]>, "Michael Young" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>It seems to me that we're all babying Mr. Pickens just a little too much. A >swift kick to the groin, a thrown gauntlet, or some pie in the face might do >the trick where the nice-nice and well-meaning advice hasn't. I think a >little motivation in the form of a friendly wave as you pass him on the >'Ring ought to do nicely. > >Michael.

How quickly they turn... :) By the way, who's Mr. Pickens? Actually, all the guys in front of me are the motivation. My 'Ring time is *killing* me on GPL Rank. Even though I've lowered my handicap about a minute since I started, I'm still lower in the rankings... Too many faster guys keep joining... <g> Eldred PICKETT -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>How do you expect to get better when you don't realize how good you >already are :-) > >"9:00.60 <sigh>"? Don't you mean <yipee> >I try (impossible) to think about how well i hit one, two or three >particular corners or sequences and then just concentrating on line >for the rest of the lap. If you concentrate too much on lap time you >end up driving like a banshee at the start and then slowly getting >tentative (which can kill you as you oversteer into a corner cuz you >are used to hitting it 10mph faster) for the rest of the lap to make >good on your successful jump off the flugplatz. > >Of course I totally suck (er, I mean I am still learning) so any >advice from me should be absolutely and without reservation ignored. > >Chris Hansen >(who has begun taking a picnic basket on his laps around the ring)

I said <sigh> becaues the 9 minute mark is sort of a 'barrier' I'm trying to break through. Since I haven't broken through yet, I'm not satisfied. It would be like trying to roll a 300 game in bowling, and ending up with 299. Yeah, it's good, but it's not your goal... Besides, the record is what - 7:48? I'm still 1:15 off... 8:30 and I'd be happy. At least *then* I'd could run with the AI... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Don't you hate that. I've been focusing on monza lately (trying to get >competitive on vroc and it is a very popular track). I feel so much >better and so much more in control and my PB is where it was 6/8/2000 >around when i got my voodoo and started playing this beast again. I >take 3 months off and hit 1:29.97 at monza locking up the wheels and >generally flying all over the place. Three weeks of solid practice >later I hit (last night on fumes) 29.97. ARRRGGGHHHHH!!! but i'll take >it. I do find i am much more consistent. If i concentrate i could >probably run a grand prix without crashing if i keep it in the 31s. I >think setup HAS to have something to do with it. I was looping a 30.01 >lap i did against GH's 26.xx replay using spygirl and his car is >practically scraping the ground. Mine looks like a monster truck by >comparison (using default). Anyway after running that loop I went >back and put together a lap between me and Matt Sentel. That felt >better cuz I actually beat him. I let that one run all night.

I think I'm *tied* with Sentell. 1:30.17...AUGH! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8jd9d6$8ip$[email hidden]>, "Colin" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> You guys are gonna have it easy. Except for Nurburgring, I've hit a wall >at >> all the tracks. I haven't figured out how to go faster, no matter HOW >many >> laps I do... :( >> I can't even get CLOSE to my PBs right now... >> >> Eldred > >If that's the case, it's probably time to put it down for a while. I was >driving REALLY badly a few weeks back so I put my wheel in the closet and >didn't play for two weeks. When I eventually played again I beat 3 of my >PBs in one night. Sometimes it helps to give yourself a break and get out >the rut that you're in. When you start back again, it's easy to see where >you were making mistakes that you didn't notice before. > >Cheers, >...Colin

My PBs are all from February... The only improvement I've made(aside from .47 sec at Silverstone) is at the Ring... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8jgci7$j91$[email hidden]>, "Ace" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Michael Young <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> It seems to me that we're all babying Mr. Pickens just a little too much. >A >> swift kick to the groin, a thrown gauntlet, or some pie in the face might >do >> the trick where the nice-nice and well-meaning advice hasn't. I think a >> little motivation in the form of a friendly wave as you pass him on the >> 'Ring ought to do nicely. ><Snip> > >Hey Eldred, Your too slow, damn you! <swift kick to groin> >Now wait, as our hero does an 8:14 tonight... >--

<Collapses from a *quite* accurate boot> I can't drive thru the pain... I've fallen, and I can't see the track.... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: I think I'm *tied* with Sentell. 1:30.17...AUGH! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > writes: > > >How do you expect to get better when you don't realize how good you > >already are :-) > > > >"9:00.60 <sigh>"? Don't you mean <yipee> > >I try (impossible) to think about how well i hit one, two or three > >particular corners or sequences and then just concentrating on line > >for the rest of the lap. If you concentrate too much on lap time you > >end up driving like a banshee at the start and then slowly getting > >tentative (which can kill you as you oversteer into a corner cuz you > >are used to hitting it 10mph faster) for the rest of the lap to make > >good on your successful jump off the flugplatz. > > > >Of course I totally suck (er, I mean I am still learning) so any > >advice from me should be absolutely and without reservation ignored. > > > >Chris Hansen > >(who has begun taking a picnic basket on his laps around the ring) > > I said <sigh> becaues the 9 minute mark is sort of a 'barrier' I'm trying to > break through. Since I haven't broken through yet, I'm not satisfied. It > would be like trying to roll a 300 game in bowling, and ending up with 299. > Yeah, it's good, but it's not your goal... > Besides, the record is what - 7:48? I'm still 1:15 off... 8:30 and I'd be > happy. At least *then* I'd could run with the AI... >

Err, don't count on it Eldred. When I was doing low 8:30s they were doing low 8:20s.