Re: New track in the making

My first thought was, YAY, Solitude! That was on my personal wish-list of new tracks for GPL. > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in theMotorSport > article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the width > of a 4-lane highway! It looked much too wide on gplss11.jpg, but the road looked the right width along the river... so I'm not making my mind up yet. It might be the best track ever for GPL if it's done well. And yes, better than the 'Ring. -Laurens de Jong, The Netherlands.

The strange thing is, the track has the same width all along the track. So all screenshots are with a trackwidth set to 11 metres. And I agree it looks very wide on that screenshot, but I can assure you, you need all the tarmac there is :-) Screenshots can do funny stuff, as can be concluded from the fact that the width looks very different on the pics. Gplss10 is taken at the same spot as Gplss11, and I'd rather suggest taking the incar/f10 shots as guideline than the external camera's (with detial settings, different carshapes etc). You think it looks too wide there as well? Ofcourse the main objective of making a track, is making something that people enjoy racing on. So "fun" (playablity) is in some cases something that has to be set against historical accuracy. No point making a track that is soo difficult it's barely driven on VROC. Thanks for your encouragement and critical notes, I'll take it into consideration. If you have more comments please express them (in a way that's constructivly usable). Martijn > > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the > MotorSport > > article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the > > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost thewidth > > of a 4-lane highway! > > It looked much too wide on gplss11.jpg, but the road looked the rightwidth > along the river... so I'm not making my mind up yet. It might be thebest > track ever for GPL if it's done well. And yes, better than the 'Ring.

C'mon Andre! Its not that hard to figure out! just remove the /pics and youll get to a homepage with some other works and an email address. What more do you want??

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> >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > >> > >> http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > >> > >> Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > >> a blast!! > >> And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > >> have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > >> for a banked Monza :) > > > >Martijn making it? Believe me, it will rock! > > Who is he? Did he make other things for GPL or other sims? > Or is he a mysterie man like Noonan? > > Andre > > > > >

I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be a blast!! And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also for a banked Monza :) Andre

U�ytkownik "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> napisa� w wiadomo�ci news:[email hidden]... > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > a blast!! wow ! any info when it will be finished ? Gplrank 41 Richie ( Piotr O. ) [email hidden] Icq 7510765 http://gpl.pulse.pdi.net http://oj.gad.pl

Supposed to be out next week according to a reply he gave in the GPLEA forum. Kev "Richie ( Piotr O. )" wrote:

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> > U�ytkownik "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> napisa3 w wiadomo�ci > news:[email hidden]... > > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > > a blast!! > > wow ! any info when it will be finished ? > > Gplrank 41 > Richie ( Piotr O. ) > [email hidden] > Icq 7510765 > http://gpl.pulse.pdi.net > http://oj.gad.pl

Martijn making it? Believe me, it will rock!

Eh.. I wanna know how you made the track :) Andre

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>> >> I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: >> >> http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ >> >> Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be >> >> a blast!! >> >> And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we >> >> have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also >> >> for a banked Monza :) >> >Martijn making it? Believe me, it will rock! >> Who is he? Did he make other things for GPL or other sims? >> Or is he a mysterie man like Noonan? >> Andre

Awesome! Looks like another good old-fashioned ROAD course. -- ----------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten mailto:[email hidden] http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ ----------------------------------- Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > a blast!! > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > for a banked Monza :) > > Andre >

Very cool looking, and at around 7 miles per lap it should be a workout. Hmm, I wonder if it will be possible to flip over the guardrail and land in the water? <vbg> -- See ya in the pits, Deano I have a terrible memory. In fact it's so bad that I can't remember how long it's been since I've forgotten anything. Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > a blast!! > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > for a banked Monza :) > > Andre >

Nono Bruce, you don't understand! Martijn, the creator of the track, is also testing the new GPLEA RC carset. <g> Remco "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the MotorSport >article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the >track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the width >of a 4-lane highway! >Have a look at this shot and see if you feel the same:- >http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/gplss11.jpg > >Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:LCk85.226$[email hidden]... >> SOLITUDE!!!! Great work so far! >> I hope that it's far from finished because textures don't look that good >> yet. (Oh boy I'm complaining again) >> But I wonder how he developed it... Did he create his own track editor >too? >> Let's hope he makes it available for download... >> >> Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws >> [email hidden]... >> > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: >> > >> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ >> > >> > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be >> > a blast!! >> > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we >> > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also >> > for a banked Monza :)

SOLITUDE!!!! Great work so far! I hope that it's far from finished because textures don't look that good yet. (Oh boy I'm complaining again) But I wonder how he developed it... Did he create his own track editor too? Let's hope he makes it available for download... Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]...

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> I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > a blast!! > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > for a banked Monza :) > > Andre

Can you put those article pictures online? Or can I find them on the web somewhere? Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws [email hidden]... > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in theMotorSport

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> article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the width > of a 4-lane highway! > Have a look at this shot and see if you feel the same:- > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/gplss11.jpg > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LCk85.226$[email hidden]... > > SOLITUDE!!!! Great work so far! > > I hope that it's far from finished because textures don't look that good > > yet. (Oh boy I'm complaining again) > > But I wonder how he developed it... Did he create his own track editor > too? > > Let's hope he makes it available for download... > > > > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > > [email hidden]... > > > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > > > > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > > > a blast!! > > > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > > > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > > > for a banked Monza :) > > > > > > Andre > > > > > >

"�artijn" wrote: > > If you have more comments please express them (in a way that's > constructivly usable). Am I to understand that you don't want a pat on the back ? :-) I'm giving you one anyway, good job, looks great, can't wait to try it Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

Bruce Kennewell schrieb in Nachricht <[email hidden]>...

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>After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the MotorSport >article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the >track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the width >of a 4-lane highway! >Have a look at this shot and see if you feel the same:- >http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/gplss11.jpg > >-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia.

Hello, I am living close to Stuttgart and I drove that road several times (not under race conditions, of course). It is a real narrow 2-lane highway (maybe 8 to 11 meters wide) and today it is used as a normal highway to connect Stuttgart and a little village called Leonberg. When I'm driving that highway with my father, I have always to listen his old stories when he was there at the Solitude with his motorbike watching the races on sundays. If that track is done well, it will be one of the most challenging tracks for GPL and it will be a real nightmare to overtake, because it is a REAL narrow track. I can't wait to check out the track under race conditions. Regards Gunther

Yeah, what we also need is for someone to write a patch that has the add on tracks in the 'best laps' section. Kev Tim Vanhee wrote:

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> > SOLITUDE!!!! Great work so far! > I hope that it's far from finished because textures don't look that good > yet. (Oh boy I'm complaining again) > But I wonder how he developed it... Did he create his own track editor too? > Let's hope he makes it available for download... > > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > [email hidden]... > > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > > a blast!! > > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > > for a banked Monza :) > > > > Andre

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > a blast!! > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > for a banked Monza :)

Martijn making it? Believe me, it will rock!

Say �artijn, What track editor do you use? > Ofcourse the main objective of making a track, is making something that > people enjoy racing on. So "fun" (playablity) is in some cases something > that has to be set against historical accuracy. No point making a track > that is soo difficult it's barely driven on VROC. Don't know about that... It's gpl you know, we like it realistic and difficult...

�artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfe5e6$37a285e0$4c1140d4@martijn... > C'mon Andre! > > Its not that hard to figure out! just remove the /pics and youll get to a > homepage with some other works and an email address. What more do you > want?? hehe, looks cool though Martijn, can you really "get air" like one of those screenies?

When I first looked at the track map, I thought: 'it's just the Hockenheim Ring run backwards with a few esses thrown in the back straight.' But after looking at the screen shots, WOW! Good work lad. Keep it up, we will be looking forward to the track's release... oh...and Goy, get after Jan to convert this for TPTCC use. YOWSA! dave henrie "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "�artijn" wrote: > > > > If you have more comments please express them (in a way that's > > constructivly usable). > > Am I to understand that you don't want a pat on the back ? :-) > > I'm giving you one anyway, good job, looks great, can't wait to try it > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:25:50 +0100, "Gradee \"The BoDee\" Ventura" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: >> >> http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ >> >> Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be >> a blast!! >> And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we >> have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also >> for a banked Monza :) > >Martijn making it? Believe me, it will rock!

Who is he? Did he make other things for GPL or other sims? Or is he a mysterie man like Noonan? Andre >

On Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:37:52 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson" <[email hidden]> mangled uncounted electrons thus: >Brucie, if you look down in his note, you will see that he writes it (in >ASCII characters, you old curmudgeon, you!) Martijn. I was referring to the >missing "j". Bloody Brits and Aussies... always Anglicising everything :-) <grin> Don't lump Brits and Aussies together! Particularly if the word 'cricket' is in the same sentence... Martin D. Pay A Brit. Not an Aussie. And not a Whingeing Pom, either... ^_^

Thanks, Gunther. Ever since add-on tracks have been created for GPL I've had a craving for a Solitude! Like you, I am looking forward to trying the circuit. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ricky Starbuck <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce Kennewell schrieb in Nachricht <[email hidden]>... > >After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the MotorSport > >article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the > >track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the width > >of a 4-lane highway! > >Have a look at this shot and see if you feel the same:- > >http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/gplss11.jpg > > > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce Kennewell, > >Canberra, Australia. > > Hello, > > I am living close to Stuttgart and I drove that road several times (not > under race conditions, of course). It is a real narrow 2-lane highway (maybe > 8 to 11 meters wide) and today it is used as a normal highway to connect > Stuttgart and a little village called Leonberg. When I'm driving that > highway with my father, I have always to listen his old stories when he was > there at the Solitude with his motorbike watching the races on sundays. If > that track is done well, it will be one of the most challenging tracks for > GPL and it will be a real nightmare to overtake, because it is a REAL narrow > track. I can't wait to check out the track under race conditions. > > Regards > Gunther > >

Bruce, as you are so picky about spelling, could you at least spell the fellow's name properly? Stephen (who is not a Steven, not a Stephan, not a Stefan etc.) Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks for the response, Martin. I agree (and have commented just now in > another post) that the external shots tend to "warp" the actual width. Ifit

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> looks okay from the driver's viewpoint then that's what really matters. > > Will there be AI included for off-line racing or is this simply for VROC? > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:01bfe5c8$1317a5c0$4c1140d4@martijn... > > > > The strange thing is, the track has the same width all along the track.So > > all screenshots are with a trackwidth set to 11 metres. And I agree it > > looks very wide on that screenshot, but I can assure you, you need allthe

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> > tarmac there is :-) Screenshots can do funny stuff, as can be concluded > > from the fact that the width looks very different on the pics. > > Gplss10 is taken at the same spot as Gplss11, and I'd rather suggest > taking > > the incar/f10 shots as guideline than the external camera's (with detial > > settings, different carshapes etc). You think it looks too wide there as > > well? > > > > Ofcourse the main objective of making a track, is making something that > > people enjoy racing on. So "fun" (playablity) is in some cases something > > that has to be set against historical accuracy. No point making a track > > that is soo difficult it's barely driven on VROC. > > > > Thanks for your encouragement and critical notes, I'll take it into > > consideration. > > If you have more comments please express them (in a way that's > > constructivly usable). > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the > > > MotorSport > > > > article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of > the > > > > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the > > width > > > > of a 4-lane highway! > > > > > > It looked much too wide on gplss11.jpg, but the road looked the right > > width > > > along the river... so I'm not making my mind up yet. It might be the > > best > > > track ever for GPL if it's done well. And yes, better than the 'Ring. > > > > > >

Brucie, if you look down in his note, you will see that he writes it (in ASCII characters, you old curmudgeon, you!) Martijn. I was referring to the missing "j". Bloody Brits and Aussies... always Anglicising everything :-) Stephen Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sure, Stevo, give me a keyboard or the combination for the ASCII character > at the start of Martin's name and I'd be happy to. > In the meantime I'll Anglicise it and use "Martin". > > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Stephen Ferguson <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3962e35b$[email hidden]... > > Bruce, as you are so picky about spelling, could you at least spell the > > fellow's name properly? > > > > Stephen (who is not a Steven, not a Stephan, not a Stefan etc.) > > > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Thanks for the response, Martin. I agree (and have commented just now > in > > > another post) that the external shots tend to "warp" the actual width. > If > > it > > > looks okay from the driver's viewpoint then that's what really

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> > > > > > Will there be AI included for off-line racing or is this simply for > VROC? > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Bruce Kennewell, > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:01bfe5c8$1317a5c0$4c1140d4@martijn... > > > > > > > > The strange thing is, the track has the same width all along the > track. > > So > > > > all screenshots are with a trackwidth set to 11 metres. And I agree

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> > the > > > > tarmac there is :-) Screenshots can do funny stuff, as can be > concluded > > > > from the fact that the width looks very different on the pics. > > > > Gplss10 is taken at the same spot as Gplss11, and I'd rather suggest > > > taking > > > > the incar/f10 shots as guideline than the external camera's (with > detial > > > > settings, different carshapes etc). You think it looks too wide

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> as > > > > well? > > > > > > > > Ofcourse the main objective of making a track, is making something > that > > > > people enjoy racing on. So "fun" (playablity) is in some cases > something > > > > that has to be set against historical accuracy. No point making a > track > > > > that is soo difficult it's barely driven on VROC. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your encouragement and critical notes, I'll take it into > > > > consideration. > > > > If you have more comments please express them (in a way that's > > > > constructivly usable). > > > > > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the > > > > > MotorSport > > > > > > article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width > of > > > the > > > > > > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost > the > > > > width > > > > > > of a 4-lane highway! > > > > > > > > > > It looked much too wide on gplss11.jpg, but the road looked the > right > > > > width > > > > > along the river... so I'm not making my mind up yet. It might be > the > > > > best > > > > > track ever for GPL if it's done well. And yes, better than the > 'Ring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On 04 Jul 2000 18:24:01 GMT, "�artijn" <[email hidden]> wrote: >C'mon Andre! > >Its not that hard to figure out! just remove the /pics and youll get to a >homepage with some other works and an email address. What more do you >want?? Eh.. I wanna know how you made the track :) Andre

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> > > >> >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> >news:[email hidden]... >> >> I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: >> >> >> >> http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ >> >> >> >> Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be >> >> a blast!! >> >> And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we >> >> have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also >> >> for a banked Monza :) >> > >> >Martijn making it? Believe me, it will rock! >> >> Who is he? Did he make other things for GPL or other sims? >> Or is he a mysterie man like Noonan? >> >> Andre >> >> > >> >>

The Solitude circuit was the subject of an article in a fairly recent edition of MotorSport. If the chap doing the creative work does an accurate job in replicating the sweeping bends and numerous corners this will be as challenging to drive properly as the Nurburgring. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Morgan V. Wooten� <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Mlk85.33016$[email hidden]... > Awesome! Looks like another good old-fashioned ROAD course. > > -- > ----------------------------------- > Morgan Vincent Wooten > mailto:[email hidden] > http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ > ----------------------------------- > > > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > > a blast!! > > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > > for a banked Monza :) > > > > Andre > > > >

After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the MotorSport article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the width of a 4-lane highway! Have a look at this shot and see if you feel the same:- http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/gplss11.jpg -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LCk85.226$[email hidden]... > SOLITUDE!!!! Great work so far! > I hope that it's far from finished because textures don't look that good > yet. (Oh boy I'm complaining again) > But I wonder how he developed it... Did he create his own track editor too? > Let's hope he makes it available for download... > > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > [email hidden]... > > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > > a blast!! > > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > > for a banked Monza :) > > > > Andre > >

Uh...any reasons I'm not getting into the page??? -- Kirk Lane [email hidden] Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > a blast!! > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > for a banked Monza :) > > Andre

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> > When I first looked at the track map, I thought: > 'it's just the Hockenheim Ring run backwards with a few esses thrown in the > back straight.' But after looking at the screen shots, WOW! Good work lad. > Keep it up, we will be looking forward to the track's release... > oh...and Goy, get after Jan to convert this for TPTCC use. YOWSA! > dave henrie

Well, as it happens, we're meeting up for the BTCC race at Snetterton this weekend, so I will try my best :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

I'll do a scan tonight Tim (it's now 7:30 AM Wednesday) and will pop them on my site, then put the URL in here under a new thread. Just look for "Solitude" in the subject. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Acl85.681$[email hidden]... > Can you put those article pictures online? Or can I find them on the web > somewhere? > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > [email hidden]... > > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the > MotorSport > > article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the > > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the width > > of a 4-lane highway! > > Have a look at this shot and see if you feel the same:- > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/gplss11.jpg > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:LCk85.226$[email hidden]... > > > SOLITUDE!!!! Great work so far! > > > I hope that it's far from finished because textures don't look that good > > > yet. (Oh boy I'm complaining again) > > > But I wonder how he developed it... Did he create his own track editor > > too? > > > Let's hope he makes it available for download... > > > > > > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > > > [email hidden]... > > > > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > > > > > > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > > > > > > > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > > > > a blast!! > > > > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > > > > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > > > > for a banked Monza :) > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > >

Don't take my comment the wrong way, please! I know that exterior shots in GPL replays always make the cars look small and/or the track wide. I'd really like to believe that, from the driver's view, the road is as it should be. Whichever way it ends up.....done properly this will be a lovely circuit to add to GPL. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Remco Moedt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Nono Bruce, you don't understand! Martijn, the creator of the track, > is also testing the new GPLEA RC carset. <g> > > Remco > > > "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the MotorSport > >article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the > >track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the width > >of a 4-lane highway! > >Have a look at this shot and see if you feel the same:- > >http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/gplss11.jpg > > > >Tim Vanhee <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:LCk85.226$[email hidden]... > >> SOLITUDE!!!! Great work so far! > >> I hope that it's far from finished because textures don't look that good > >> yet. (Oh boy I'm complaining again) > >> But I wonder how he developed it... Did he create his own track editor > >too? > >> Let's hope he makes it available for download... > >> > >> Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws > >> [email hidden]... > >> > I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > >> > > >> > http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > >> > > >> > Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > >> > a blast!! > >> > And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > >> > have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > >> > for a banked Monza :) >

Thanks for the response, Martin. I agree (and have commented just now in another post) that the external shots tend to "warp" the actual width. If it looks okay from the driver's viewpoint then that's what really matters. Will there be AI included for off-line racing or is this simply for VROC? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01bfe5c8$1317a5c0$4c1140d4@martijn... > > The strange thing is, the track has the same width all along the track. So > all screenshots are with a trackwidth set to 11 metres. And I agree it > looks very wide on that screenshot, but I can assure you, you need all the > tarmac there is :-) Screenshots can do funny stuff, as can be concluded > from the fact that the width looks very different on the pics. > Gplss10 is taken at the same spot as Gplss11, and I'd rather suggest taking > the incar/f10 shots as guideline than the external camera's (with detial > settings, different carshapes etc). You think it looks too wide there as > well? > > Ofcourse the main objective of making a track, is making something that > people enjoy racing on. So "fun" (playablity) is in some cases something > that has to be set against historical accuracy. No point making a track > that is soo difficult it's barely driven on VROC. > > Thanks for your encouragement and critical notes, I'll take it into > consideration. > If you have more comments please express them (in a way that's > constructivly usable). > > Martijn > > > > > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the > > MotorSport > > > article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of the > > > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the > width > > > of a 4-lane highway! > > > > It looked much too wide on gplss11.jpg, but the road looked the right > width > > along the river... so I'm not making my mind up yet. It might be the > best > > track ever for GPL if it's done well. And yes, better than the 'Ring. > >

I'm still waiting for his Honda to be completed. :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:25:50 +0100, "Gradee \"The BoDee\" Ventura" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > >> > >> http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > >> > >> Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > >> a blast!! > >> And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > >> have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > >> for a banked Monza :) > > > >Martijn making it? Believe me, it will rock! > > Who is he? Did he make other things for GPL or other sims? > Or is he a mysterie man like Noonan? > > Andre > > > >

Ooops....wrong Martin! Sorry. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39625912$[email hidden]... > I'm still waiting for his Honda to be completed. :-) > -- > Regards, > Bruce Kennewell, > Canberra, Australia. > --------------------------- > > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:25:50 +0100, "Gradee \"The BoDee\" Ventura" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > >news:[email hidden]... > > >> I just saw this link at Tim Wheatley's site: > > >> > > >> http://home.wanadoo.nl/~m.keizer/pics/ > > >> > > >> Looking goooood... check out the track map, this track is going to be > > >> a blast!! > > >> And it's being made by Martijn Keizer. Never heard of him, but now we > > >> have another one who's able to make tracks. Now we can beg him also > > >> for a banked Monza :) > > > > > >Martijn making it? Believe me, it will rock! > > > > Who is he? Did he make other things for GPL or other sims? > > Or is he a mysterie man like Noonan? > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > >

Bruce, you could've claimed you were looking for the IJ-diphtong on your keyboard, didn't find it and went with "Martin" for this reason. But then you'd have started the well-known but off-topic thread of whether or not the Dutch IJ is a letter, a diphtong, or simply two letters. Or (*looks at newsgroup members*) maybe not. -Laurens de Jong, The Netherlands. ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

Yeah, the Aussies are nothing but a bunch of pie throwers and sloggers :-) -- -Ace- Martin D. Pay <[email hidden]> wrote in message <snipped> > <grin> Don't lump Brits and Aussies together! Particularly if the > word 'cricket' is in the same sentence... > > Martin D. Pay > A Brit. Not an Aussie. And not a Whingeing Pom, either... ^_^

Sure, Stevo, give me a keyboard or the combination for the ASCII character at the start of Martin's name and I'd be happy to. In the meantime I'll Anglicise it and use "Martin". -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Stephen Ferguson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3962e35b$[email hidden]... > Bruce, as you are so picky about spelling, could you at least spell the > fellow's name properly? > > Stephen (who is not a Steven, not a Stephan, not a Stefan etc.) > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Thanks for the response, Martin. I agree (and have commented just now in > > another post) that the external shots tend to "warp" the actual width. If > it > > looks okay from the driver's viewpoint then that's what really matters. > > > > Will there be AI included for off-line racing or is this simply for VROC? > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:01bfe5c8$1317a5c0$4c1140d4@martijn... > > > > > > The strange thing is, the track has the same width all along the track. > So > > > all screenshots are with a trackwidth set to 11 metres. And I agree it > > > looks very wide on that screenshot, but I can assure you, you need all > the > > > tarmac there is :-) Screenshots can do funny stuff, as can be concluded > > > from the fact that the width looks very different on the pics. > > > Gplss10 is taken at the same spot as Gplss11, and I'd rather suggest > > taking > > > the incar/f10 shots as guideline than the external camera's (with detial > > > settings, different carshapes etc). You think it looks too wide there as > > > well? > > > > > > Ofcourse the main objective of making a track, is making something that > > > people enjoy racing on. So "fun" (playablity) is in some cases something > > > that has to be set against historical accuracy. No point making a track > > > that is soo difficult it's barely driven on VROC. > > > > > > Thanks for your encouragement and critical notes, I'll take it into > > > consideration. > > > If you have more comments please express them (in a way that's > > > constructivly usable). > > > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > > > > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the > > > > MotorSport > > > > > article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width of > > the > > > > > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost the > > > width > > > > > of a 4-lane highway! > > > > > > > > It looked much too wide on gplss11.jpg, but the road looked the right > > > width > > > > along the river... so I'm not making my mind up yet. It might be the > > > best > > > > track ever for GPL if it's done well. And yes, better than the 'Ring. > > > > > > > > > > > >

Ohhh! Sorry...yes, of course! I missed that blasted 'j'! Thanks, Stephen. Much obliged, mate. :-) -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Stephen Ferguson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:396301b5$[email hidden]... > Brucie, if you look down in his note, you will see that he writes it (in > ASCII characters, you old curmudgeon, you!) Martijn. I was referring to the > missing "j". Bloody Brits and Aussies... always Anglicising everything :-) > > Stephen > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Sure, Stevo, give me a keyboard or the combination for the ASCII character > > at the start of Martin's name and I'd be happy to. > > In the meantime I'll Anglicise it and use "Martin". > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Bruce Kennewell, > > Canberra, Australia. > > --------------------------- > > > > Stephen Ferguson <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3962e35b$[email hidden]... > > > Bruce, as you are so picky about spelling, could you at least spell the > > > fellow's name properly? > > > > > > Stephen (who is not a Steven, not a Stephan, not a Stefan etc.) > > > > > > Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Thanks for the response, Martin. I agree (and have commented just now > > in > > > > another post) that the external shots tend to "warp" the actual width. > > If > > > it > > > > looks okay from the driver's viewpoint then that's what really > matters. > > > > > > > > Will there be AI included for off-line racing or is this simply for > > VROC? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Bruce Kennewell, > > > > Canberra, Australia. > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > �artijn <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:01bfe5c8$1317a5c0$4c1140d4@martijn... > > > > > > > > > > The strange thing is, the track has the same width all along the > > track. > > > So > > > > > all screenshots are with a trackwidth set to 11 metres. And I agree > it > > > > > looks very wide on that screenshot, but I can assure you, you need > all > > > the > > > > > tarmac there is :-) Screenshots can do funny stuff, as can be > > concluded > > > > > from the fact that the width looks very different on the pics. > > > > > Gplss10 is taken at the same spot as Gplss11, and I'd rather suggest > > > > taking > > > > > the incar/f10 shots as guideline than the external camera's (with > > detial > > > > > settings, different carshapes etc). You think it looks too wide > there > > as > > > > > well? > > > > > > > > > > Ofcourse the main objective of making a track, is making something > > that > > > > > people enjoy racing on. So "fun" (playablity) is in some cases > > something > > > > > that has to be set against historical accuracy. No point making a > > track > > > > > that is soo difficult it's barely driven on VROC. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your encouragement and critical notes, I'll take it into > > > > > consideration. > > > > > If you have more comments please express them (in a way that's > > > > > constructivly usable). > > > > > > > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After viewing all the images, and then looking at the pix in the > > > > > > MotorSport > > > > > > > article, the first thing that struck was the fact that the width > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > track has been drawn much greater than in real life; it's almost > > the > > > > > width > > > > > > > of a 4-lane highway! > > > > > > > > > > > > It looked much too wide on gplss11.jpg, but the road looked the > > right > > > > > width > > > > > > along the river... so I'm not making my mind up yet. It might be > > the > > > > > best > > > > > > track ever for GPL if it's done well. And yes, better than the > > 'Ring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Isn't a dipthong a 2000 version of the bikini, Laurens? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Laurens de Jong <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Bruce, you could've claimed you were looking for the IJ-diphtong > on your keyboard, didn't find it and went with "Martin" for this > reason. > > But then you'd have started the well-known but off-topic thread > of whether or not the Dutch IJ is a letter, a diphtong, or simply > two letters. > > Or (*looks at newsgroup members*) maybe not. > > -Laurens de Jong, The Netherlands. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com >

>Nono Bruce, you don't understand! Martijn, the creator of the track, >is also testing the new GPLEA RC carset. <g> As well as being one of the kings of GP2 Track Editing... I taught him everything he knows, by the way... :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

>Who is he? Did he make other things for GPL or other sims? >Or is he a mysterie man like Noonan? Take a look at some GP2 track pages and Martijn's name should be pretty prominent :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash