Re: GPLRank: is cheating a problem?

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> "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your > > times, is cheating a problem there? > > We just go by pure sportsmanship. A very, very big majority of GPL drivers > are Gentlemen, so we trust each other. There is just no need to cheat to > 99.999999% of the people. > > This is not N3 with punks, lamers and kids who need attention. > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- May the Downforce be with you... > -- http://www.WeRace.net > -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise > how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

It is possible to cheat, I think, but that would defeat the whole purpose of GPLRank: to measure your skill level against that of others. I, for one, have not posted my times in GPLRank because I have a 1:28:79 at Monza done with railriding; it`s not a fair time, and surely not representative of my skills (low 1:30`s is the best I can get there). BTW, if anyone knows how to get rid of that particular time for that track, please tell me how. I`ve tried to delete that particular record, and, sure enough, it disappears from the Best Laps screen, but the record on the track still satnds, it doesn`t disappear. I would like to know 2 things: 1-Will the track record affect the data for GPLRank, or does it uses only the Best Laps info? 2-If it does affect the data, how can I get rid of it? Thanks in advance. Daniel Fr�is

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>"Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your >> times, is cheating a problem there? > > >We just go by pure sportsmanship. A very, very big majority of GPL drivers >are Gentlemen, so we trust each other. There is just no need to cheat to >99.999999% of the people. > >This is not N3 with punks, lamers and kids who need attention.

Start praying that nobody introduces prizemoney or other rewards. JoH ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- --------------------------------------------------------------

I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline" tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically. I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them. Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your times, is cheating a problem there? I realize this is an insulting question but I am curious. rms [email hidden]

"Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> wrote > Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your > times, is cheating a problem there? We just go by pure sportsmanship. A very, very big majority of GPL drivers are Gentlemen, so we trust each other. There is just no need to cheat to 99.999999% of the people. This is not N3 with punks, lamers and kids who need attention. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

U�ytkownik "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> napisa� w wiadomo�ci news:ktU85.6184$7%[email hidden]...

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> I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline" > tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something > like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically. > > I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the > possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them. > > Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your > times, is cheating a problem there? I realize this is an insulting

question > but I am curious. Gpl community is 99% Gentelmans about 18-60 yeras old most of 25+ ( not like NFS 12-16 ) So noone here wants to cheat other Gentelmans. Besides it would be cheating yourself cause Gpl Rank is to check how fast you are also for yourself. Gpl rank -44,45 Richie ( Piotr O. ) [email hidden] Icq 7510765 http://gpl.pulse.pdi.net http://oj.gad.pl

As a gpl rank moderator I must say its fairly easy to spot "unlikely" times.Most of these are caused by warps or clock smashes.As has been said before the gpl community is VERY fair and I cant really see anyone manufacturing a whole set(and thats what they'd have to do) of times in there player.ini. If this did happen I think we'd pick up on it quite quickly.. Cheers Dan Leach gplrank -49.22 :-) Roger Squires <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ktU85.6184$7%[email hidden]...

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> I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline" > tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something > like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically. > > I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the > possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them. > > Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your > times, is cheating a problem there? I realize this is an insulting

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> but I am curious. > > rms > [email hidden] > > >

or online race rankings... -- -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

Your right, it's an insulting question. Roger Squires <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ktU85.6184$7%[email hidden]...

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> I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline" > tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something > like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically. > > I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the > possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them. > > Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your > times, is cheating a problem there? I realize this is an insulting

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> but I am curious. > > rms > [email hidden] > > >

Daniel Frois <[email hidden]> writes: > > BTW, if anyone knows how to get rid of that particular time for that track, > please tell me how. I`ve tried to delete that particular record, and, sure > enough, it disappears from the Best Laps screen, but the record on the track > still satnds I would think that if you have deleted the time from your player.ini file it will not affect your GPL Rank handicap, since the trackrecord is located somewhere else. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

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> Daniel Frois <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > BTW, if anyone knows how to get rid of that particular time for that track, > > please tell me how. I`ve tried to delete that particular record, and, sure > > enough, it disappears from the Best Laps screen, but the record on the track > > still satnds > > I would think that if you have deleted the time from your player.ini > file it will not affect your GPL Rank handicap, since the trackrecord > is located somewhere else.

I just found out: Just delete the record.ini file in the track directory and the trackrecord should be gone for good. -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

"Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > Start praying that nobody introduces prizemoney or other rewards. or online race rankings... <cheap shot to [email hidden]> ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:51:54 +0100, Daniel Frois <[email hidden]> wrote: ...

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>It is possible to cheat, I think, but that would defeat the whole purpose of >GPLRank: to measure your skill level against that of others. I, for one, have >not posted my times in GPLRank because I have a 1:28:79 at Monza done with >railriding; it`s not a fair time, and surely not representative of my skills >(low 1:30`s is the best I can get there). > >BTW, if anyone knows how to get rid of that particular time for that track, >please tell me how. I`ve tried to delete that particular record, and, sure >enough, it disappears from the Best Laps screen, but the record on the track >still satnds, it doesn`t disappear. I would like to know 2 things: > >1-Will the track record affect the data for GPLRank, or does it uses only the >Best Laps info?

Nope. Uses "best laps". >2-If it does affect the data, how can I get rid of it? Best laps are in your player.ini; look at the file; 2 numbers are used; the time (in seconds) when the record was done, and the 2nd is the time in seconds. The track records are stored in the track directories (tracks\zandvort\record.ini). You can 'up' the time quite a bit, then set a regular time, or delete the file or line altogether. These files never make it to GPLRank, so have no influence on the rank. Ruud van Gaal MarketGraph / MachTech: http://www.marketgraph.nl Art: http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery

I;ve been away from GPL for a while. and just getting back into it. can somone please give me the url for the gpl rank home page thanks Craig On 8 Jul 2000 02:20:42 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote:

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>On Thu 06 Jul 2000 06:06:24am, Roger Squires wrote: > ><snip> >>Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with >>your times, is cheating a problem there? I realize this is an >>insulting question but I am curious. ><snip> > >To be honest, yes people could cheat in GPLRank. But as far as I know >it doesn't happen, for several reasons: > >1) Grand Prix Legends being (regrettably) the minority interest it is, >a lot of its players are familiar with each other's standard (eg >through this very NG). If my handicap suddenly jumped up by 50 points, >I don't think it would be long before someone queried it. > >2) GPLRank has moderators. They scan through times, and would notice if >anyone posted a vast jump (eg 9:00 to 7:55 at the Ring). They could >then email the person in question to get an answer. Which is one reason >why I always keep a replay file of my best lap at each track. > >3) GPL, not being a short-attention-span, pick-up-and-play arcade game, >isn't played (to any significant degree, anyway) by the sort of >attention-seeking obnoxious 12-year-old who is likely to cheat. > >Apologies to all genuine 12-year-old GPL drivers (I know there are >some). I'm talking about the sort of people who post messagez with lotz >of wordz ending in zedz and use things like " way2g0 d00d" or >"14m3r l33t" and actually think people will care... > >4) This sounds trite, I know, but the main protection against cheating >is the honour of the players. I mean, during the course of a >particularly frantic Novice race at Monza, I did a lap where I bounced >off most of the barriers, and ended up with a 1:27-something. But >that's nearly 2 seconds beyond my real capability (1:29 dead), so I >couldn't have justified posting it. Instead, I restored my player.ini >to what it was, and felt much happier. There's no satisfaction in >winning by cheating - I'd love to have a negative handicap, but only if >I can do it properly. > >-- >David. (GPLRank handicap: +30.02) >"After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, >really." >(Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

In article <8k1f0i$mr6$[email hidden]>, Richie ( Piotr O. ) <[email hidden]> writes

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>U�ytkownik "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> napisa� w wiadomo�ci >news:ktU85.6184$7%[email hidden]... >> I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline" >> tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something >> like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically. >> >> I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the >> possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them. >> >> Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your >> times, is cheating a problem there? I realize this is an insulting >question >> but I am curious. > >Gpl community is 99% Gentelmans about 18-60 yeras old most of 25+ ( not >like >NFS 12-16 ) >So noone here wants to cheat other Gentelmans. Besides it would be >cheating >yourself cause Gpl Rank is to check how fast you are also for yourself. >

Top notch old bean! Indeed it just wouldn't be tickety boo at all. I wouldn't be able to face the chaps ever again. Definitely be barred from the club you know. Probably have to up sticks and move to somewhere like Scarsdale. Smudger and Taff would disown me for sure. No, best not go down that route old boy. -- Squadron Leader Ivington-Smythe DFC & BAR(whatever that is)

On Thu 06 Jul 2000 06:06:24am, Roger Squires wrote: <snip> >Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with >your times, is cheating a problem there? I realize this is an >insulting question but I am curious.<snip> To be honest, yes people could cheat in GPLRank. But as far as I know it doesn't happen, for several reasons: 1) Grand Prix Legends being (regrettably) the minority interest it is, a lot of its players are familiar with each other's standard (eg through this very NG). If my handicap suddenly jumped up by 50 points, I don't think it would be long before someone queried it. 2) GPLRank has moderators. They scan through times, and would notice if anyone posted a vast jump (eg 9:00 to 7:55 at the Ring). They could then email the person in question to get an answer. Which is one reason why I always keep a replay file of my best lap at each track. 3) GPL, not being a short-attention-span, pick-up-and-play arcade game, isn't played (to any significant degree, anyway) by the sort of attention-seeking obnoxious 12-year-old who is likely to cheat. Apologies to all genuine 12-year-old GPL drivers (I know there are some). I'm talking about the sort of people who post messagez with lotz of wordz ending in zedz and use things like " way2g0 d00d" or "14m3r l33t" and actually think people will care... 4) This sounds trite, I know, but the main protection against cheating is the honour of the players. I mean, during the course of a particularly frantic Novice race at Monza, I did a lap where I bounced off most of the barriers, and ended up with a 1:27-something. But that's nearly 2 seconds beyond my real capability (1:29 dead), so I couldn't have justified posting it. Instead, I restored my player.ini to what it was, and felt much happier. There's no satisfaction in winning by cheating - I'd love to have a negative handicap, but only if I can do it properly. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: +30.02) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

I get the feeling you're not a squadron leader at all. Fancy not knowing what a DFC & Bar is! I reckon your in the Navy, actually. Hang on, there was a song about that wasn't there? -- -Ace- (GPLRank +4.88) Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message <snip> . > -- > Squadron Leader Ivington-Smythe DFC & BAR(whatever that is)

Well said David, I completely agree with your sentiments. The main thing about GPLRank for many is a personal crusade, it's not about being number 1, so why cheat ourselves. BTW, I notice your handicap has decreased recently, well done! -- -Ace- (GPLRank +4.88) David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... <snipped> > 4) This sounds trite, I know, but the main protection against cheating > is the honour of the players. I mean, during the course of a > particularly frantic Novice race at Monza, I did a lap where I bounced > off most of the barriers, and ended up with a 1:27-something. But > that's nearly 2 seconds beyond my real capability (1:29 dead), so I > couldn't have justified posting it. Instead, I restored my player.ini > to what it was, and felt much happier. There's no satisfaction in > winning by cheating - I'd love to have a negative handicap, but only if > I can do it properly. > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: +30.02) > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

In article <8k6t20$ile$[email hidden]>, Ace <[email hidden]> writes >I get the feeling you're not a squadron leader at all. Fancy not knowing >what a DFC & Bar is! I reckon your in the Navy, actually. Hang on, there was >a song about that wasn't there? Hehe, wait till I tell Squiffy about that one. Navy guys? Damn fine bunch of chaps if you ask me. Real men through and through. So I'd rather you refrained from that Commie type of thinking around here. Taking whoever wrote that song and putting them before a firing squad would have been the best solution.

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>Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message ><snip> >. >> -- >> Squadron Leader Ivington-Smythe DFC & BAR(whatever that is) > >

-- Squadron Leader Ivington-Smythe DFC & BAR(whatever that is)

To me the only times that matter are the ones I set against human opponents.

On Fri 07 Jul 2000 10:42:32pm, Craig wrote: >I;ve been away from GPL for a while. and just getting back into it. >can somone please give me the url for the gpl rank home page >thanks http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/index.html -- David. (GPLRank handicap: +29.93) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

I'm less then 17, but I'd like to think that I'm a yong GENTLEMAN/wl Ralfie Lee--GPLrank +90.25 Richie ( Piotr O. ) <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8k1f0i$mr6$[email hidden]...

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> U�ytkownik "Roger Squires" <[email hidden]> napisa� w wiadomo�ci > news:ktU85.6184$7%[email hidden]... > > I'm having an argument with NFS5 players about the validity of "offline" > > tournaments where you upload your best times to a website, vs. something > > like EARacing's servers where its recorded automatically. > > > > I'm very big on offline tournaments, but these people are arguing the > > possibility of cheating as a reason not to participate in them. > > > > Since GPLRank depends on uploading an easily editable textfile with your > > times, is cheating a problem there? I realize this is an insulting > question > > but I am curious. > > Gpl community is 99% Gentelmans about 18-60 yeras old most of 25+ ( not

like > NFS 12-16 ) > So noone here wants to cheat other Gentelmans. Besides it would becheating

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> yourself cause Gpl Rank is to check how fast you are also for yourself. > > Gpl rank -44,45 > Richie ( Piotr O. ) > [email hidden] > Icq 7510765 > http://gpl.pulse.pdi.net > http://oj.gad.pl > >