Re: GPL overtaking etiquette query

Jcharm wrote... > Hey all > > Just curious what the proper etiquette is for passing. > Does the car in front always have the right of way or > does the fact that a car is on the inside of the turn > factor into the equation? The car in front has the right of way unless you manage to draw level before or at the turb-in point, in which case he/she should give you room to the inside or outside as the case may be (which is why Schumi got the bird in the French GP). Likewise you should leave room for the other driver to defend his/her position (DC repaying the favour at the next, successful attempt). > I usually follow the rule of if I can get by without > disturbing the other drivers line then I take it, but > if I think that he doesn't see me, I'll back off. > Matter o' fact I'll usually back off if it's risky at > all. Prudent, especially in view of our limited vision in GPL and the warp conditions we race under. > What about this instance: you are hard charging from > way out back and you come upon a much slower driver. > Even though your on the same lap, shouldn't he get > the hell out of your way? No, the slower driver should stick to his line (i.e. be predictable). If you're really "that much better" you'll have no trouble passing him/her in proper fashion. Which is not to say the slower driver can not facilitate the pass as long as he communicates successfully with the faster driver. > When I mean slower driver, I mean either a newbie or > someone who has recovered from an accident. The newbie has as much right to be on the track as you do and should act like described above. A recovering driver should yield the racing line (and sometimes even the track) to all following traffic until he/she is up to speed. He/she should make deliberate but slow movements to regain the road surface (if possible), again to appear predictable to drivers coming up from behind. There is a major snag in GPL in this respect in that the game only shows you 1 driver behind at a time. All the more reason for extreme care in these kinds of situations. In a competitive field a spin will lose you the race, full stop, so the extra second spent rejoining safely is of no real consequence. > I've been yelled at for risky maneuvers of overtaking > slowpokes, but when you driving 20+ mph faster than > someone else, it's hard to slow down. Rightly so, I'm afraid. If you're faster you are assumed to have the better control over your car and therefore it's your job to pass safely, which means without the other driver spinning or crashing in avoidance. I know closure rates can be hard to estimate and in some instances you will get caught out by just how slow another driver is, but any accident or hairy moments resulting from passing much slower traffic is your fault by definition. If you have insufficient control over your car (at the speed you're doing) to avoid slower traffic you are overdriving. Something you should never do in a race unless you're attacking (or defending from) a nearly equally quick car/driver combination. > What's everybody else think? I don't know about everybody, but my two cents are above. Jan. =---

Normally for me, If I see a car approaching and its obvious he/she has the faster car, I will wait until I can safely move to the side and will raise myh hand to signal its ok to pass. I think it would be nice if people used the hand gesture to signal a clear passing zone. Ken McDaniel <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8k4bfs$j00$[email hidden]... > The basic rule in real life is this: It is up to the overtaking driver to > make a safe pass. This means you may have to wait a bit before you can go > around. Don't follow too close, as you don't want to be part of their > mistake, and you will not be able to get a run on them at the right time.A

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> courteous driver will make it apparent when to pass when the speed > difference is great. Patience is the key... > > > -- > Ken > http://BovineRacing.com > [email hidden] > >

Hey all Just curious what the proper etiquette is for passing. Does the car in front always have the right of way or does the fact that a car is on the inside of the turn factor into the equation? I usually follow the rule of if I can get by without disturbing the other drivers line then I take it, but if I think that he doesn't see me, I'll back off. Matter o' fact I'll usually back off if it's risky at all. What about this instance: you are hard charging from way out back and you come upon a much slower driver. Even though your on the same lap, shouldn't he get the hell out of your way? When I mean slower driver, I mean either a newbie or someone who has recovered from an accident. I've been yelled at for risky maneuvers of overtaking slowpokes, but when you driving 20+ mph faster than someone else, it's hard to slow down. What's everybody else think? Jcharm

The basic rule in real life is this: It is up to the overtaking driver to make a safe pass. This means you may have to wait a bit before you can go around. Don't follow too close, as you don't want to be part of their mistake, and you will not be able to get a run on them at the right time. A courteous driver will make it apparent when to pass when the speed difference is great. Patience is the key... -- Ken http://BovineRacing.com [email hidden]

Nice Job Thanks Jan Verschueren <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Jcharm wrote... > > Hey all > > > > Just curious what the proper etiquette is for passing. > > Does the car in front always have the right of way or > > does the fact that a car is on the inside of the turn > > factor into the equation? > > The car in front has the right of way unless you manage to draw level

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> or at the turb-in point, in which case he/she should give you room to the > inside or outside as the case may be (which is why Schumi got the bird in > the French GP). Likewise you should leave room for the other driver to > defend his/her position (DC repaying the favour at the next, successful > attempt). > > > I usually follow the rule of if I can get by without > > disturbing the other drivers line then I take it, but > > if I think that he doesn't see me, I'll back off. > > Matter o' fact I'll usually back off if it's risky at > > all. > > Prudent, especially in view of our limited vision in GPL and the warp > conditions we race under. > > > What about this instance: you are hard charging from > > way out back and you come upon a much slower driver. > > Even though your on the same lap, shouldn't he get > > the hell out of your way? > > No, the slower driver should stick to his line (i.e. be predictable). If > you're really "that much better" you'll have no trouble passing him/her in > proper fashion. Which is not to say the slower driver can not facilitate

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> pass as long as he communicates successfully with the faster driver. > > > When I mean slower driver, I mean either a newbie or > > someone who has recovered from an accident. > > The newbie has as much right to be on the track as you do and should act > like described above. A recovering driver should yield the racing line

(and > sometimes even the track) to all following traffic until he/she is up to > speed. He/she should make deliberate but slow movements to regain the road > surface (if possible), again to appear predictable to drivers coming upfrom > behind. There is a major snag in GPL in this respect in that the game only > shows you 1 driver behind at a time. All the more reason for extreme carein

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> these kinds of situations. In a competitive field a spin will lose you the > race, full stop, so the extra second spent rejoining safely is of no real > consequence. > > > I've been yelled at for risky maneuvers of overtaking > > slowpokes, but when you driving 20+ mph faster than > > someone else, it's hard to slow down. > > Rightly so, I'm afraid. If you're faster you are assumed to have the

better > control over your car and therefore it's your job to pass safely, which > means without the other driver spinning or crashing in avoidance. > > I know closure rates can be hard to estimate and in some instances youwill > get caught out by just how slow another driver is, but any accident orhairy > moments resulting from passing much slower traffic is your fault by > definition. > > If you have insufficient control over your car (at the speed you're doing) > to avoid slower traffic you are overdriving. Something you should never do > in a race unless you're attacking (or defending from) a nearly equallyquick

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> car/driver combination. > > > What's everybody else think? > > I don't know about everybody, but my two cents are above. > > Jan. > =--- > >

I for one am very quick to ruin my line to let others by. It may sound silly, but I would rather race with those at my level than slow a better driver. Now if the person passing just flys by me and I see them again because of a wreck, I am less likely to move for them, but if they look out-of-control, I stay out of the way. I have also noticed that staying close behind someone is very nerve wrackin! and a certain way for me to loose it and hit the other driver. I know I am supposed to look at what I am doing, but where'd he go? I had to turn off the 'in car chat' I found it too distracting! SLG "Jcharm" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hey all > >Just curious what the proper etiquette is for passing. Does the car in >front always have the right of way or does the fact that a car is on the >inside of the turn factor into the equation? I usually follow the rule of >if I can get by without disturbing the other drivers line then I take it, >but if I think that he doesn't see me, I'll back off. Matter o' fact I'll >usually back off if it's risky at all. > >What about this instance: you are hard charging from way out back and you >come upon a much slower driver. Even though your on the same lap, shouldn't >he get the hell out of your way? When I mean slower driver, I mean either a >newbie or someone who has recovered from an accident. I've been yelled at >for risky maneuvers of overtaking slowpokes, but when you driving 20+ mph >faster than someone else, it's hard to slow down. > >What's everybody else think? > >Jcharm > >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

Jan Verschueren wrote in message ... >A recovering driver should yield the racing line (and >sometimes even the track) to all following traffic until he/she is up to >speed. I remember a particularly ugly protest not long ago about just such a thing ;) Art.

I'm probably going to get in trouble for this because I'm a newbie, yada yada and still learning, but in my experience the rule is very track related. There are safe, almost safe, and risky passing places on most tracks. As far as passing I am very careful although my lack of skill has caused me some problems when getting through yellow flag situations (I know i'm not going to win so i probably slow down too much when i see a yellow flag--i've been rear ended a couple of times at monza going into the first lesmos under yellow). As far as getting passed my experience is easing up a bit and holding the line is the only way to go. Faster drivers are looking for a way around and if you act unpredictably there is really no safe route for them. I also understand the impatience of faster drivers when confronted with slower ones. My PB at Spa is a bit under 24 and i've been shunted a couple times by a J Charm on VROC :-) On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:42:24 GMT, [email hidden] (Steve Garrotto) wrote:

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>I for one am very quick to ruin my line to let others by. It may sound >silly, but I would rather race with those at my level than slow a >better driver. Now if the person passing just flys by me and I see >them again because of a wreck, I am less likely to move for them, but >if they look out-of-control, I stay out of the way. I have also >noticed that staying close behind someone is very nerve wrackin! and a >certain way for me to loose it and hit the other driver. I know I am >supposed to look at what I am doing, but where'd he go? I had to turn >off the 'in car chat' I found it too distracting! > >SLG > >"Jcharm" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Hey all >> >>Just curious what the proper etiquette is for passing. Does the car in >>front always have the right of way or does the fact that a car is on the >>inside of the turn factor into the equation? I usually follow the rule of >>if I can get by without disturbing the other drivers line then I take it, >>but if I think that he doesn't see me, I'll back off. Matter o' fact I'll >>usually back off if it's risky at all. >> >>What about this instance: you are hard charging from way out back and you >>come upon a much slower driver. Even though your on the same lap, shouldn't >>he get the hell out of your way? When I mean slower driver, I mean either a >>newbie or someone who has recovered from an accident. I've been yelled at >>for risky maneuvers of overtaking slowpokes, but when you driving 20+ mph >>faster than someone else, it's hard to slow down. >> >>What's everybody else think? >> >>Jcharm >> >> > > >(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new >and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are >due to too many English classes/teachers) > >

On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:05:16 -0500, "Mark Liermann" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Normally for me, If I see a car approaching and its obvious he/she has the >faster car, I will wait until I can safely move to the side and will raise >myh hand to signal its ok to pass. I think it would be nice if people used >the hand gesture to signal a clear passing zone. Except I only see someone waving their hands when I'm TOO close to them... Andre

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> >Ken McDaniel <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8k4bfs$j00$[email hidden]... >> The basic rule in real life is this: It is up to the overtaking driver to >> make a safe pass. This means you may have to wait a bit before you can go >> around. Don't follow too close, as you don't want to be part of their >> mistake, and you will not be able to get a run on them at the right time. >A >> courteous driver will make it apparent when to pass when the speed >> difference is great. Patience is the key... >> >> >> -- >> Ken >> http://BovineRacing.com >> [email hidden] >> >> >

Hahaha, Art ;) I still say I wasn't down on speed due to a 2 wheels off but rather going slow into the corner as I was on the inside line and had to lift to make the corner. Art McEwen wrote:

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> > Jan Verschueren wrote in message ... > >A recovering driver should yield the racing line (and > >sometimes even the track) to all following traffic until he/she is up to > >speed. > > I remember a particularly ugly protest not long ago about just such a thing > ;) > > Art.

In article <3965fcee$0$94745$[email hidden]>, "Mark Liermann" <[email hidden]> writes: >Normally for me, If I see a car approaching and its obvious he/she has the >faster car, I will wait until I can safely move to the side and will raise >myh hand to signal its ok to pass. I think it would be nice if people used >the hand gesture to signal a clear passing zone. That might be ok, if you were sure everyone had high enough graphics setting to even SEE the hand. A lot of people have to turn off some graphics to get a good frame rate... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

It is a nice gesture Mark but won't work for me. I've got "driver arms" unchecked in GPL because I found the wheel was distracting me. Hence I can't see any driver's arm. -- Michael Horton http://www.bus.nait.ab.ca/staff/mikeh/gpl GPL F2/F3 Hotlaps

"Martin D. Pay" wrote: > I think it would be nice if people used > >the hand gesture to signal a clear passing zone. > > <grin> Just make sure it's the right *sort* of hand gesture... Anybody have a modified GPL arm 3do, flipping the bird? Be useful for the idiots that like to run you off the track. <GG> -- Chuck Kandler GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15 GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

There is a great web page explaining this and other very good information for online racing behavior. It is part of the Grand Prix Legends Australian Championship web site. Check it out.... http://www.powerup.com.au/~philmak/gplac/rec_driver_beh.htm http://www.powerup.com.au/~philmak/GPLAC.htm -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=