Re: Anybody using a Voodoo 5 5500 ???

Your system *should* be sufficient, but it probably isn't. Most Athlon users have been disappointed with the performance of the V5 so far. The general consensus seems to be that the drivers are not well optimized for 3DNow, making an Athlon perform like a comparably clocked Celeron. With a Coppermine P3 the card is fantastic, but for right now I would recommend you wait and see if 3dfx is able to improve their drivers. <[email hidden]> wrote > Is an AMD Athlon 600mhz CPU... > quick enough to take advantage of the V-5's features and > graphics horsepower ???

Great card. Not nearly as fast as the GE Force cards but the anti-aliasing feature lets you run in 800*600 with better quality than 1600*1200 without anti-aliasing. Card a little pricey at $299 but well worth it. Anti-aliasing really spoils you. Don't think I could go back to a card without it. Need a fast computer to really take advantage of card because it is taxing on your CPU. On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:32:37 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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> >Is anybody out there in simulator land using a 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 >(5000 ???) video card ??? > >Thoughts ? Opinions ? Problems ? Likes ? Dislikes ? Experiences ? > >Thanks !!!

Is anybody out there in simulator land using a 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 (5000 ???) video card ??? Thoughts ? Opinions ? Problems ? Likes ? Dislikes ? Experiences ? Thanks !!!

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> > Is anybody out there in simulator land using a 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 > (5000 ???) video card ??? > > Thoughts ? Opinions ? Problems ? Likes ? Dislikes ? Experiences ? > > Thanks !!!

Just put a machine together for my teammate with a V5 5500 in it. Nice card! Just make sure you have ample room in front of your AGP slot though, it's a *long* card! To put one in my case, I'd have to move 2 of my 3 hard drives. Have fun! -- Chuck Kandler GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15 GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

awesome card, I love it, Nascar 3 and GPL look amazing. No more jaggies. NFS-PU is just simply amazing, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] wrote: > > > > Is anybody out there in simulator land using a 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 > > (5000 ???) video card ??? > > > > Thoughts ? Opinions ? Problems ? Likes ? Dislikes ? Experiences ? > > > > Thanks !!! > > > Just put a machine together for my teammate with a V5 5500 in it. Nice > card! Just make sure you have ample room in front of your AGP slot > though, it's a *long* card! To put one in my case, I'd have to move 2 > of my 3 hard drives. Have fun! > > -- > Chuck Kandler > GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15 > GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21 > K&S Racing > http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > > Registered Linux User #180746 > http://counter.li.org

On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:04:37 GMT, [email hidden] (Mike Dietz) wrote:

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>Great card. Not nearly as fast as the GE Force cards but the >anti-aliasing feature lets you run in 800*600 with better quality than > >1600*1200 without anti-aliasing. Card a little pricey at $299 but well >worth it. Anti-aliasing really spoils you. Don't think I could go >back to a card without it. Need a fast computer to really take >advantage of card because it is taxing on your CPU.

Is an AMD Athlon 600mhz CPU (running at 750mhz regularly, sometimes more ... with an OC card), 256mb Corsair PC-100 SDRAM, on an Asus K7M, with two IBM 7200 ATA-66 HD drives, an AOpen 52x CD-ROM, using an Aureal SQ-2500 sound card ... and currently running a Voodoo 3 3000 ... quick enough to take advantage of the V-5's features and graphics horsepower ???

On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:04:37 GMT, [email hidden] (Mike Dietz) thus spoke: >Great card. Not nearly as fast as the GE Force cards Really? I have had both cards and the speed difference in sims is negligible. With FSAA though I find running at high res is just too much for this card. 800x600 and lower is usally good. -- Nos

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >Just put a machine together for my teammate with a V5 5500 in it. Nice >card! Just make sure you have ample room in front of your AGP slot >though, it's a *long* card! To put one in my case, I'd have to move 2 >of my 3 hard drives. Have fun! *Three* hard drives?!? I thought I was bad having TWO... <g> I considered adding another, but I already have 4 IDE devices. I don't feel lucky enough to try adding another IDE interface. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I think the big area of speed difference is the OpenGL drivers/performance. Most sims use D3D, so the cards will be more closely matched there. Plus the cards speed won't shine through in a CPU intensive game. Only thing with a V5 is that you might miss having hardware T&L the day N4 and WSC are released. Then again you might have upgraded by then anyway.

On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:36:44 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >I think the big area of speed difference is the OpenGL drivers/performance. >Most sims use D3D, so the cards will be more closely matched there. Plus >the cards speed won't shine through in a CPU intensive game. Only thing >with a V5 is that you might miss having hardware T&L the day N4 and WSC are >released. Then again you might have upgraded by then anyway. Don't play Nascar so T&L has no use for me still. Maybe for B172 I will need T&L though. -- Nos

It looks great! Glide 22bit filter is really shining in this game. It looks way better than under D3D or OpenGL. The colors are much darker and details like decals, road marks, and billboard look very clear.. However, I seem to feel that under Glide GPL is still dark, even at 3 gamma setting. Getting 36 fps consistently under 4X FSAA and 800 x 600. But 4X FSAA under 1027 x 768 gives me about 24 fps during training. Seriously, I can't tell the difference. I can get 36 fps with 2X FSAA and 1027 x 768. However, I still can see some jaggies far ahead down the road. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Is anybody out there in simulator land using a 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 > (5000 ???) video card ??? > > Thoughts ? Opinions ? Problems ? Likes ? Dislikes ? Experiences ? > > Thanks !!!

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Just put a machine together for my teammate with a V5 5500 in it. Nice > >card! Just make sure you have ample room in front of your AGP slot > >though, it's a *long* card! To put one in my case, I'd have to move 2 > >of my 3 hard drives. Have fun! > > *Three* hard drives?!? I thought I was bad having TWO... <g> > I considered adding another, but I already have 4 IDE devices. I don't feel > lucky enough to try adding another IDE interface.

ROTFL!! Yep. I got an Abit BE6-2 for a mobo, so I have a primary & secondary IDE that support 2 devices each, along with a primary & secondary ATA-66 IDE that also support 2 devices each. On the ATA-66, I have a 15GB used for Win98, along with a 13GB on the primary master. Primary slave is an 8.1GB dedicated entirely to my Linux-Mandrake 7.1. Secondary master is my Creative Labs CD-RW, and secondary slave is my cheapo 24x CD-ROM. Love this mobo, there's plenty of room for more IDE toys! As long as the power supply keeps up, of course. <g> -- Chuck Kandler GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15 GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21 K&S Racing http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Where did you get this information? I am curious since the CGW reviewers found the V5's performance on the Athlon to be comparable to the GF2's. They had convince me that V5 was the way to go for Athlon users. But I can believe they don't know what they are talking about. I am concerned, since systems of my type (Athlon/VIA KX133 chipset with a SB live! soundcard) often have problems with Geforce cards. It almost sounds like I have NO good upgrade path! Tracey A Miller wrote in message <39666f47$0$56834$[email hidden]>...

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>Your system *should* be sufficient, but it probably isn't. Most Athlon >users have been disappointed with the performance of the V5 so far. >The general consensus seems to be that the drivers are not well >optimized for 3DNow, making an Athlon perform like a comparably >clocked Celeron. > >With a Coppermine P3 the card is fantastic, but for right now I would >recommend you wait and see if 3dfx is able to improve their drivers. > ><[email hidden]> wrote >> Is an AMD Athlon 600mhz CPU... >> quick enough to take advantage of the V-5's features and >> graphics horsepower ??? > > >

I haven't had a lot of time for GPL lately, but did put in a V5-5500 a couple weeks ago and took GPL out for a test spin. I have an 800 MHz Athlon, btw... I used the Glide drivers and noticed a few quirks at 1024 and 4xFSAA, but didn't have time to pursue. I thought it looked excellent at 1024x768 and 2xFSAA and at 800x600 w/4xFSAA. I recall the framerate meter being pegged at 36 in the latter two cases (on the Monza circuit). Previously, I'd been running this on a Banshee/333 Celeron and got about 19-21 fps in 800x600 (no FSAA of course). Will pursue this further as time permits, but felt very satisfied with the 1024 by 2xFSAA mode. --Ben

Was that in testing only? I haven't been able to keep the 2xfsaa from locking up in glide. If I use the d3d, then I can use 2x but not with glide. dave henrie "Ben H." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8kdfde$ar9s$[email hidden]...

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> I haven't had a lot of time for GPL lately, but did put in a V5-5500 a > couple weeks ago and took GPL out for a test spin. I have an 800 MHz > Athlon, btw... I used the Glide drivers and noticed a few quirks at 1024 > and 4xFSAA, but didn't have time to pursue. I thought it looked excellent > at 1024x768 and 2xFSAA and at 800x600 w/4xFSAA. I recall the framerate > meter being pegged at 36 in the latter two cases (on the Monza circuit). > Previously, I'd been running this on a Banshee/333 Celeron and got about > 19-21 fps in 800x600 (no FSAA of course). Will pursue this further as

time > permits, but felt very satisfied with the 1024 by 2xFSAA mode. > > --Ben > >

Here I thought I was bad with 2-IDEs and 1-SCSI! Now down to 1-IDE and 1-SCSI (2 partitions). SCSI just makes it worst! SLG Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> >> writes: >> >> >Just put a machine together for my teammate with a V5 5500 in it. Nice >> >card! Just make sure you have ample room in front of your AGP slot >> >though, it's a *long* card! To put one in my case, I'd have to move 2 >> >of my 3 hard drives. Have fun! >> >> *Three* hard drives?!? I thought I was bad having TWO... <g> >> I considered adding another, but I already have 4 IDE devices. I don't feel >> lucky enough to try adding another IDE interface. > > >ROTFL!! Yep. I got an Abit BE6-2 for a mobo, so I have a primary & >secondary IDE that support 2 devices each, along with a primary & >secondary ATA-66 IDE that also support 2 devices each. On the ATA-66, I >have a 15GB used for Win98, along with a 13GB on the primary master. >Primary slave is an 8.1GB dedicated entirely to my Linux-Mandrake 7.1. >Secondary master is my Creative Labs CD-RW, and secondary slave is my >cheapo 24x CD-ROM. Love this mobo, there's plenty of room for more IDE >toys! As long as the power supply keeps up, of course. <g> > >-- >Chuck Kandler >GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15 >GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21 >K&S Racing >http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195 > >Registered Linux User #180746 >http://counter.li.org

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden](Steve

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> Garrotto) writes: > > >Here I thought I was bad with 2-IDEs and 1-SCSI! Now down to 1-IDE and > >1-SCSI (2 partitions). SCSI just makes it worst! > > > >SLG > > > >Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >>EldredP wrote: > >>> > >>> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester

<[email hidden]> > >>> writes: > >>> > >>> >Just put a machine together for my teammate with a V5 5500 in it.Nice > >>> >card! Just make sure you have ample room in front of your AGP slot > >>> >though, it's a *long* card! To put one in my case, I'd have to move2 > >>> >of my 3 hard drives. Have fun! > >>> > >>> *Three* hard drives?!? I thought I was bad having TWO... <g> > >>> I considered adding another, but I already have 4 IDE devices. Idon't > >feel > >>> lucky enough to try adding another IDE interface. > > 27GB, 13GB, 48x CD, CD burner(all IDE). I need a bigger case, or largerhard > drives, or BOTH!<g> 20.4g, 6.4g, 40x cd-rom, 6x DVD (all IDE). ~and~ a SCSI CD writer and JAZ drive with a scanner hanging off the back of the card. Let's not get into the webcam, front yard/driveway surveillance cam/camcorder/cable TV going into the video cap card or the cassette recorder/line out from the effects box/preamp for music recording purposes. Then there's the USB mouse and Sandisk Compactflash reader, etc. etc. etc. It's a durn bag of snakes down there. ~daxe -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Steve Garrotto) writes:

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>Here I thought I was bad with 2-IDEs and 1-SCSI! Now down to 1-IDE and >1-SCSI (2 partitions). SCSI just makes it worst! > >SLG > >Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>EldredP wrote: >>> >>> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> >>> writes: >>> >>> >Just put a machine together for my teammate with a V5 5500 in it. Nice >>> >card! Just make sure you have ample room in front of your AGP slot >>> >though, it's a *long* card! To put one in my case, I'd have to move 2 >>> >of my 3 hard drives. Have fun! >>> >>> *Three* hard drives?!? I thought I was bad having TWO... <g> >>> I considered adding another, but I already have 4 IDE devices. I don't >feel >>> lucky enough to try adding another IDE interface.

27GB, 13GB, 48x CD, CD burner(all IDE). I need a bigger case, or larger hard drives, or BOTH!<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hi everyone, I bought a V5 5500 a couple of weeks ago. I tried to put it into my old PC (P3 500, 256mb, 20gb, AT case) and it wouldnt fit. I decided that I really wanted this card so GP3 would run good, so I went out and bought a new ATX case, K7 Pro motherboard and a 800mhx Athlon CPU. Right, got it all in, had to download the W2K beta drivers (12mb on 56k modem....it took ages).. My troubles started when I tried to run Microprose GP500 (moto gp sim) totally freezes after 15 seconds of playing it, in fact it crashes so badly I need to pull the power cable out of the back to bring the system back up.. Quake 3 arena is ok, only freezing for a split second, the same goes for Triple Play 2000 and NBA 2000... Monaco Grand Prix 2 plays really well. In fact MGPRS2 runs f'ing brilliant (1024x786). I think this is all down to the drivers and the combination of the Voodoo 5 5500 AGP/AMD Athlon. On the performance of MGPRS2 the card runs fantastic, and my new system runs non-3d like lightning, its just the problems with some 3dfx games and the Athlon that makes me impatient for both MSI and 3DFX to release some better BIOS updates and drivers to keep me happy... If any of you have had this problem please let me know... Id love to get my system problem free in time for the 28th July... Ive booked my holiday for the two weeks after that.. guess what im gonna be doing until the early hours in the morning? :) Thanks Dan > > Is anybody out there in simulator land using a3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 > (5000 ???) video card ??? > > Thoughts ? Opinions ? Problems ? Likes ?Dislikes ? Experiences ? > > Thanks !!! > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8kkdiv$c23$[email hidden]... > Hi everyone, bim? ~daxe (psd) -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

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> 20.4g, 6.4g, 40x cd-rom, 6x DVD (all IDE). ~and~ a SCSI CD writer and JAZ > drive with a scanner hanging off the back of the card. Let's not get into > the webcam, front yard/driveway surveillance cam/camcorder/cable TV going > into the video cap card or the cassette recorder/line out from the effects > box/preamp for music recording purposes. Then there's the USB mouse and > Sandisk Compactflash reader, etc. etc. etc. It's a durn bag of snakes down > there.

Damn! You got all *sorts* of toys. :-p~~~ -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

EldredP wrote: > 27GB, 13GB, 48x CD, CD burner(all IDE). I need a bigger case, or larger hard > drives, or BOTH!<g> I remember seeing a 60GB Maxtor 5400 rpm at Computer Geeks the other day for $234. <g> -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

Hey Uncle...better quit reading and get back to the tracks, guess who just passed ya in gplrank? dave henrie "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > EldredP wrote: > >

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> > Hi everyone, > > I bought a V5 5500 a couple of weeks ago. I tried > to put it into my old PC (P3 500, 256mb, 20gb, AT > case) and it wouldnt fit. I decided that I really > wanted this card so GP3 would run good, so I went > out and bought a new ATX case, K7 Pro motherboard > and a 800mhx Athlon CPU. > > Right, got it all in, had to download the W2K > beta drivers (12mb on 56k modem....it took ages)..

Hmm, you blamed everything in your system, but not the most obvious one. Why are you using W2K on a gaming PC? There are lots of games that don't work under W2K (unless they recently found a miracle cure for the prob). Now I just hope the M$ fanboys don't jump on me stating that it's the games fault... ;) l8er ronny -- |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Dave Henrie wrote: > > Hey Uncle...better quit reading and get back to the tracks, guess who just > passed ya in gplrank? DOH!! Too much tech & not enough track does a Turtle make. <g> BTW-Great job Dave! -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years.

U just gonna have to wait for 3dnow optimized drivers, and possibly going W2K was a mistake as well........ Martyn_D [email hidden] wrote:

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> Hi everyone, > > I bought a V5 5500 a couple of weeks ago. I tried > to put it into my old PC (P3 500, 256mb, 20gb, AT > case) and it wouldnt fit. I decided that I really > wanted this card so GP3 would run good, so I went > out and bought a new ATX case, K7 Pro motherboard > and a 800mhx Athlon CPU. > > Right, got it all in, had to download the W2K > beta drivers (12mb on 56k modem....it took ages).. > > My troubles started when I tried to run > Microprose GP500 (moto gp sim) totally freezes > after 15 seconds of playing it, in fact it > crashes so badly I need to pull the power cable > out of the back to bring the system back up.. > Quake 3 arena is ok, only freezing for a split > second, the same goes for Triple Play 2000 and > NBA 2000... Monaco Grand Prix 2 plays really > well. In fact MGPRS2 runs f'ing brilliant > (1024x786). > > I think this is all down to the drivers and the > combination of the Voodoo 5 5500 AGP/AMD Athlon. > On the performance of MGPRS2 the card runs > fantastic, and my new system runs non-3d like > lightning, its just the problems with some 3dfx > games and the Athlon that makes me impatient for > both MSI and 3DFX to release some better BIOS > updates and drivers to keep me happy... > > If any of you have had this problem please let me > know... Id love to get my system problem free in > time for the 28th July... Ive booked my holiday > for the two weeks after that.. guess what im > gonna be doing until the early hours in the > morning? :) > > Thanks > > Dan > > > > > Is anybody out there in simulator land using a > 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 > > (5000 ???) video card ??? > > > > Thoughts ? Opinions ? Problems ? Likes ? > Dislikes ? Experiences ? > > > > Thanks !!! > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Ive tried 3 times to post here... god I must be doing something wrong.. Im running W2K for work, and Win98SE for gaming.. The reason I posted about W2K in my initial post was that I had to download the drivers cause they were not on the CD (as well as NT4, which my other PC has..) Do any of you think this card was rushed when released.. The card is superb but the overall package is not great... Thanks in advance for any info.. Dan Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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> Ive tried 3 times to post here... god I must be doing something wrong.. > > Im running W2K for work, and Win98SE for gaming.. > > The reason I posted about W2K in my initial post was that I had to > download the drivers cause they were not on the CD (as well as NT4, > which my other PC has..) > > Do any of you think this card was rushed when released.. The card is > superb but the overall package is not great...

You mean because it doesn't have NT or W2000 drivers? That is what you are implying. It I understand correctly then I say no the card was not rushed. It is a W998 gaming card, not a NT gaming card. -- [email hidden] > Thanks in advance for any info.. > > Dan > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

"Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > You mean because it doesn't have NT or W2000 drivers? That is > what you are implying. It I understand correctly then I say no the > card was not rushed. It is a W998 gaming card, not a NT gaming > card. > And an awesome one at that. I think he has a point about the packaging, though. The heatsinks, and the way in which they're applied could have been a *lot* better. My V3-2000 has a bigger heatsink, for pete's sake - and it's attached with a thermal pad (which contacts the whole chip and has consistent thickness, which is more than I can say for the V5's goop.) Kind of sad - the V5 FSAA is fantastic, no card has better all-around game support, and the 3dfx drivers just get better and better (nicer than the 'driver-dance' nVidia owners with many different games seem to have to go through). 3dfx should just contract with TennMax or something ;). I've bitched in several posts about the heatsinks, but don't take it as a slam against the card - I have no regrets in picking up my V5. I've always been willing to tweak my hardware, and I figured I'd just go ahead and fix the heatsinks myself rather than return the card. Note that in the V5 NG a 3dfx employee has hinted that steps are being taken to improve the heatsink mounting - what that actually entails I have no idea. Kendt Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.