>I would imagine they are hitting the wall too hard.
tHE QUESTION IS. What can NASCAR do about it. The track was pretty boring if
you ask me. IMO
Get rid of thye bloddy track. 2 Deaths in 2 months is pretty Dumb. The Speedway
needs to do something. then NASCAR can come back. (what i think)
Not meaning to bring up a controversy or anything, but why are drivers getting
killed at silly little Loudon? Daytona or Atlanta I could understand, but why
Loudon?
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> Not meaning to bring up a controversy or anything, but why are driversgetting
> killed at silly little Loudon? Daytona or Atlanta I could understand, butwhy
> Loudon?
I would imagine they are hitting the wall too hard.
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"Morgan V. Wooten�" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Not meaning to bring up a controversy or anything, but why are driversgetting
> killed at silly little Loudon? Daytona or Atlanta I could understand, butwhy
> Loudon?
Bad luck, and having corners with high angles of impact.
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Cause Louden is like a dragstrip that has a concrete wall at the end of the
shutdown area and you either get the car stopped before you hit it or get
stopped instantaneouly by the wall.
"it's not the fall that kills you.....it's that sudden stop at the
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> Not meaning to bring up a controversy or anything, but why are driversgetting
> killed at silly little Loudon? Daytona or Atlanta I could understand, butwhy
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> Loudon? > > -- > ----------------------------------- > Morgan Vincent Wooten > mailto:[email hidden] > http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ > ----------------------------------- > >i like tha banking idea.
Easy solution. Put tire barriers before the wall so the tires would absorb
much of the impact
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"Tony StewartNo20" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >I would imagine they are hitting the wall too hard.
>
> tHE QUESTION IS. What can NASCAR do about it. The track was pretty boring
if
> you ask me. IMO
> Get rid of thye bloddy track. 2 Deaths in 2 months is pretty Dumb. The
Speedway
> needs to do something. then NASCAR can come back. (what i think)
I defiantly thing Nascar must have a bad safety problem. Now coming from the
uk I have no idea of what it is like, but aren't most if not all the tracks
oval? if this is the case why are people dieing? I mean in formula 1 the
tracks have many turns But wasn't senna the last man to die? that was a
tragic incident, however it nowadays is quite rare. does this mean the
safety rules in nascar aren't tight enough.
anyway I still feel very sorry for the tragic incident as it is sad when
anyone dies.
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Green Giant <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> The best way to fix the problem at New Hampshire would be to have the tire
> barriers that are used at the CART track in Rio. Since those barriers
have
> been introduced there have been no serious injuries there. In my opinion
this
> system should be in place at every flat track that NASCAR runs on. That's
my
> two cents worth.
>
> Kai Fuller wrote:
>
> > they could make the corners deeper so that there is more time till you
hit
> > the wall, and it could be rounded off more at the turn entrance to make
it
> > less of a head on.
> >
> > They could also bank it up like Bristol. ( a bit less than Bristol
perhaps)
> > All that would be expensive, but NASCAR will have to mandate it.
> >
> > Tony StewartNo20 <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > >I would imagine they are hitting the wall too hard.
> > >
> > > tHE QUESTION IS. What can NASCAR do about it. The track was pretty
boring
> > if
> > > you ask me. IMO
> > > Get rid of thye bloddy track. 2 Deaths in 2 months is pretty Dumb. The
> > Speedway
> > > needs to do something. then NASCAR can come back. (what i think)
>
>
>
they could make the corners deeper so that there is more time till you hit
the wall, and it could be rounded off more at the turn entrance to make it
less of a head on.
They could also bank it up like Bristol. ( a bit less than Bristol perhaps)
All that would be expensive, but NASCAR will have to mandate it.
Tony StewartNo20 <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >I would imagine they are hitting the wall too hard.
>
> tHE QUESTION IS. What can NASCAR do about it. The track was pretty boringif
> you ask me. IMO
> Get rid of thye bloddy track. 2 Deaths in 2 months is pretty Dumb. TheSpeedway
> needs to do something. then NASCAR can come back. (what i think)
The best way to fix the problem at New Hampshire would be to have the tire
barriers that are used at the CART track in Rio. Since those barriers have
been introduced there have been no serious injuries there. In my opinion this
system should be in place at every flat track that NASCAR runs on. That's my
two cents worth.
Kai Fuller wrote:
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> they could make the corners deeper so that there is more time till you hit > the wall, and it could be rounded off more at the turn entrance to make it > less of a head on. > > They could also bank it up like Bristol. ( a bit less than Bristol perhaps) > All that would be expensive, but NASCAR will have to mandate it. > > Tony StewartNo20 <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > >I would imagine they are hitting the wall too hard. > > > > tHE QUESTION IS. What can NASCAR do about it. The track was pretty boring > if > > you ask me. IMO > > Get rid of thye bloddy track. 2 Deaths in 2 months is pretty Dumb. The > Speedway > > needs to do something. then NASCAR can come back. (what i think)i like tha banking idea.
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:02:27 +0100, "Kieran Larkin"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>I defiantly thing Nascar must have a bad safety problem. Now coming from the
>uk I have no idea of what it is like, but aren't most if not all the tracks
>oval? if this is the case why are people dieing?
Nascar is pretty proactive about safety as are the competitors and
their teams. Strictly disregarding the tragic aspect of a driver's
death or debilitating injury it's bad public relations for Nascar and
the track promoters and extremely expensive, bad business for the team
owners who have to figure out how to deal with sponsor commitments and
future plans built around that driver. The drivers have their own
form of self-interest, of course as they would like to remain healthy
and non-dead.
Shortly after Joe Nemecheck's brother lost his life practicing for a
Craftsman truck race at Homestead, Florida, where he hit the wall with
the driver's side and his head impacted the concrete retaining wall,
Simpson came up with a stout secondary window net that triangulates
the roll cage by the driver's head several inches inboard from the
window net to arrest and absorb the deceleration forces over a
distance and prevent the helmet from reaching the window opening.
Their not exactly dropping like flies over here. What makes this so
high-profile is that after such a long period without losing a driver
(I think the last Cup death was in 93 when Neil Bonnet died in a crash
during practice for the Daytona 500. Prior to that was J.D. McDuffie
at Watkins Glen in 1990.) Also there is the fact that they were both
young, promising drivers with the bulk of their careers ahead of them.
Having one of them be heir-apparent to one of the greatest racing
dynasties in American motorsports didn't hurt either.
I think it's pretty clear that there are certainly some issues with
the track at Loudon, NH, that will most likely receive attention in
the coming months. This sort of multiple occurance leaves the track
operators exposed to far too much liability if they do not respond to
it. The issues as I see them are that the track has little banking to
help turn the car and keep it at shallower angles if it breaks away in
a corner. There is apparently a bump also at the end of the back
straight which, if a driver is already trying to regain control of his
vehicle, can seriously effect the car's stability. It also appears
that the entry into the turns is rather abrupt, but I don't see how
they might address this without increasing the physical distance that
separates the two straights which seems economically infeasible.
As Richard Petty commented at Loudon yesterday after the crash, these
sorts of things do happen. The cars are capable of generating forces
that are simply beyond the human body's ability to tolerate.
I expect the same thing happened to Kenny and Adam is what happened to
J.D. McDuffie. Without proper head restraint in opposition to the
deceleration vector, the instantaneous weight of their helmeted heads
broke their necks. The urgent gesticulations for assistance of the
first rescue worker who arrived at Kenny's inverted car sound quite
similar to the reactions of the fellow driver who looked into J.D.
McDuffie's inverted car at Watkins Glen. It's a bit unsettling to see
someone hanging in their harness with their neck four or five inches
longer than it's supposed to be...
It's quite likely that even with some sort of restraint they would've
been killed anyway, but would have lingered in a coma until the
families agreed to pull the plug because there's simply no way to
safely decelerate the human brain in five or six feet from nearly two
hundred miles per hour. The damned thing just mashes straight into
the inside of the skull and ruins itself. That's what nearly killed
Bobby Allison and Ernie Irvan. It almost killed Neil Bonnet the first
time, but the damned fool had to get back in a race car and it finally
got him the second time around. (I'm still bitter about his death. I
was quite fond of him.)
F1 used to be a blood sport until the risk of being killed became
sufficiently important to enough of the star drivers to force changes
to the tracks and cars for the purpose of safety. If Winston Cup cars
had to race on all those chicane-ridden little playpens in use by F1
today, the drivers would be dying of old age and the fans of boredom.
I admire the synaptic responses and skill of today's F1 drivers, but a
far greater percentage of a winning performace has to do with the car
today, not the driver. I cannot think of a single driver of the past
decade which I would name in the same sentence with Jim Clark. Just
my opinion, though...
Regards,
Brett C. Cammack
That's Racing! Motorsports
Pompano Beach, FL
Gee, I just have to do this
Say a car travelling at 200mph(88.89m/s) slows to a speed of around
80mph(35.56m/s) in around 2 seconds. Say the head of a driver is around 10kg
including the helmet. That works out to a force of 266.65 newtons of force
per second of deceleration. But if it's a smash into the wall like Kenny
Irwin and especially Greg Moore who impacted the wall WITH his head at
200mph, they decelerate to a halt or even a rebound in less then a tenth of
a second flat. That works out to 8889 newtons of force per second with a
helmeted head in the case of Kenny Irwin. In the case of Greg Moore, it's
worse(the car was pushing him into the wall) it works out to 445000 newtons
in a second. Sounds like an awful lot to me.
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> Cause Louden is like a dragstrip that has a concrete wall at the end ofthe
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