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Re: V5 chugging???

8 posts by 8 people · 08 Jul 2000 - 11 Jul 2000 22:55 UTC

That sounds like it might be an interrupt problem, perhaps Win 98 decided to switch some irq's around. I would verify that the V5 isn't sharing an irq with anything else, make sure the V5 is on a higher priority irq (9,10,11) and that the NIC card is on a lower priority irq (3,4,5,7). Beyond that, I would try to think of anything else that might have changed, hardware added, or software installed, then I'd call the folks you bought the rig from and find out how competent their tech support is before your return period expires. "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > Hello all...Last Monday my gaming PC arrived equipped with plenty of > horsepower. Athlon 800, V5, plenty of everything. All week GPL hasbeen fine > online and offline. 36fps full grids a thing of beauty. Last nightthough > offline was fine but online I experienced severe chugging. I have acable > connections and there were no problems witht the network orconnection.
Could be lots of people were on-line. This can slow the connection down to less than a 56K I think? -- Kieran www.pcracing.co.uk for GP3 and WSC David Ciemny <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Scy95.555$[email hidden]... > Hello all...Last Monday my gaming PC arrived equipped with plenty of > horsepower. Athlon 800, V5, plenty of everything. All week GPL has been fine > online and offline. 36fps full grids a thing of beauty. Last night though > offline was fine but online I experienced severe chugging. I have a cable > connections and there were no problems witht the network or connection. > > Eric C at VROC suggested switching from no fsaa in glide to 2x fsaa in d3d. > Tried that and offline it was magnificent. Went back online and there was > the chugging again. Any one have any ideas or tips? Why all of a sudden > after a few days? > > Dave C. > >
David Ciemny 08 Jul 2000 04:36 UTC#257138
Hello all...Last Monday my gaming PC arrived equipped with plenty of horsepower. Athlon 800, V5, plenty of everything. All week GPL has been fine online and offline. 36fps full grids a thing of beauty. Last night though offline was fine but online I experienced severe chugging. I have a cable connections and there were no problems witht the network or connection. Eric C at VROC suggested switching from no fsaa in glide to 2x fsaa in d3d. Tried that and offline it was magnificent. Went back online and there was the chugging again. Any one have any ideas or tips? Why all of a sudden after a few days? Dave C.
Simon Brown 08 Jul 2000 13:57 UTC#257186
I have a question along similar lines. I recently noticed that my V3 and my SBLive are sharing an IRQ and also GPL isn't running anything like full speed anymore. Is that the reason? Thanks.
Greg Cisko 08 Jul 2000 16:22 UTC#257225
You might want to try disabling your network and see if that helps. If windows expects your network to be there and it isn't, it may spend too much time in the background polling for a good network connection. The irq issues the others suggested sound interesting, however I would be surprised if that was it. If you have irq problems the symptom is usually a solid lockup... If it was working fine before but now has problems and you did nothing to the hardware or drivers, I would blame you network especially since you have cable. Also since you are using cable, do you have a firewall like BlackICE or Zonealarm??? That is essential for any hone ISP connection (DSL, Cable or regular dialup). Someone could have hacked into you causing the problems. -- [email hidden] "David Ciemny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Scy95.555$[email hidden]... > Hello all...Last Monday my gaming PC arrived equipped with plenty of > horsepower. Athlon 800, V5, plenty of everything. All week GPL has been fine > online and offline. 36fps full grids a thing of beauty. Last night though > offline was fine but online I experienced severe chugging. I have a cable > connections and there were no problems witht the network or connection. > > Eric C at VROC suggested switching from no fsaa in glide to 2x fsaa in d3d. > Tried that and offline it was magnificent. Went back online and there was > the chugging again. Any one have any ideas or tips? Why all of a sudden > after a few days? > > Dave C. > >
Brett C. Cammack 08 Jul 2000 18:12 UTC#257042
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:23:59 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The irq issues the others suggested sound interesting, however >I would be surprised if that was it. If you have irq problems the >symptom is usually a solid lockup... If it was working fine before >but now has problems and you did nothing to the hardware or >drivers, I would blame you network especially since you have >cable. Actually, the issue is with Windows 98 where the technique of PCI Steering/IRQ Sharing was introduced. It actually does allow the sharing of interrupts, but I believe that it does have a serious degrading effect in CPU-intensive games like GPL. I personally have had a bitch of a time with good machine performance with GPL since day one on a machine which, by comparison to similarly equipped machines described here, should be perfectly adequate. (Celeron 400, 64 Megs ram, Voodoo2, DSL modem on USB) I am awaiting a new harddrive so I can actually find out for certain with GPL, but I went on a unwanted "voyage of discovery" into the whole IRQ sharing/PCI Steering issue and have subsequently managed to completely eliminate that functional component from my Win98 configuration. The machine *seems* snappier, but until I get the Voodoo2 card back in, I cannot tell if it will eliminate my GPL performace problems. So, IRQ sharing is possible and the IRQ arbitration process built into Win98 can add some extra, undesireable overhead to interrupt processing. Regards, Brett C. Cammack That's Racing! Motorsports Pompano Beach, FL
John Burton 10 Jul 2000#256590
In article <[email hidden]>, Brett C. Cammack <[email hidden]> writes
Quoted text (35 lines)>On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:23:59 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> >wrote: >>The irq issues the others suggested sound interesting, however >>I would be surprised if that was it. If you have irq problems the >>symptom is usually a solid lockup... If it was working fine before >>but now has problems and you did nothing to the hardware or >>drivers, I would blame you network especially since you have >>cable. > >Actually, the issue is with Windows 98 where the technique of PCI >Steering/IRQ Sharing was introduced. It actually does allow the >sharing of interrupts, but I believe that it does have a serious >degrading effect in CPU-intensive games like GPL. > >I personally have had a bitch of a time with good machine performance >with GPL since day one on a machine which, by comparison to similarly >equipped machines described here, should be perfectly adequate. >(Celeron 400, 64 Megs ram, Voodoo2, DSL modem on USB) > >I am awaiting a new harddrive so I can actually find out for certain >with GPL, but I went on a unwanted "voyage of discovery" into the >whole IRQ sharing/PCI Steering issue and have subsequently managed to >completely eliminate that functional component from my Win98 >configuration. The machine *seems* snappier, but until I get the >Voodoo2 card back in, I cannot tell if it will eliminate my GPL >performace problems. > >So, IRQ sharing is possible and the IRQ arbitration process built into >Win98 can add some extra, undesireable overhead to interrupt >processing. > >Regards, >Brett C. Cammack >That's Racing! Motorsports >Pompano Beach, FL
So, the next obvious question is how do you change the IRQ of the cards to stop them sharing? -- John Burton
Dave Henrie 11 Jul 2000 22:55 UTC#256371
there are a couple of ways. You move the card to a different slot...obviously not the agp card but whatever the conflicting pci card is. two: You use device manager in the system control panel to force windows to change the irq. Not all components can be adjusted however. 3 And this is kinda tied to 1...you use the bios options to take away windows freedom of choice...however,, I can't give details on this paticular method..anyone else? dave henrie "John Burton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:TbWcsCA$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (42 lines)> In article <[email hidden]>, Brett C. Cammack > <[email hidden]> writes > >On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:23:59 -0500, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > >>The irq issues the others suggested sound interesting, however > >>I would be surprised if that was it. If you have irq problems the > >>symptom is usually a solid lockup... If it was working fine before > >>but now has problems and you did nothing to the hardware or > >>drivers, I would blame you network especially since you have > >>cable. > > > >Actually, the issue is with Windows 98 where the technique of PCI > >Steering/IRQ Sharing was introduced. It actually does allow the > >sharing of interrupts, but I believe that it does have a serious > >degrading effect in CPU-intensive games like GPL. > > > >I personally have had a bitch of a time with good machine performance > >with GPL since day one on a machine which, by comparison to similarly > >equipped machines described here, should be perfectly adequate. > >(Celeron 400, 64 Megs ram, Voodoo2, DSL modem on USB) > > > >I am awaiting a new harddrive so I can actually find out for certain > >with GPL, but I went on a unwanted "voyage of discovery" into the > >whole IRQ sharing/PCI Steering issue and have subsequently managed to > >completely eliminate that functional component from my Win98 > >configuration. The machine *seems* snappier, but until I get the > >Voodoo2 card back in, I cannot tell if it will eliminate my GPL > >performace problems. > > > >So, IRQ sharing is possible and the IRQ arbitration process built into > >Win98 can add some extra, undesireable overhead to interrupt > >processing. > > > >Regards, > >Brett C. Cammack > >That's Racing! Motorsports > >Pompano Beach, FL > > So, the next obvious question is how do you change the IRQ of the cards > to stop them sharing? > -- > John Burton

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