Re: GPL Rank - Another I'm finally under 9:00 at the Ring post

Congrats!!! Here's something you might want to try... I downloaded the RingTrainer program and on my first flying lap I knocked 20 seconds of my PB! Down to 8:54 in the Lotus (with a really, really dumb-ass spin included !!##$$##@!!) Cheers, ...Colin

First, off thanks to Uwe for such a great website. Man, has it been fun working on those GPL personal bests. I had previously managed to get my handicap down by exactly five seconds without attacking the Ring: Monaco - 1.59 seconds just by persevering, using Alison's X-files Lotus setup (from 1:33.53 to 1:31.94) Spa - 3.05 seconds thanks to Greger Huttu's Eagle setup and watching his replay (from 3:26.63 to 3:23.58) Silverstone - 0.36 seconds by again using Greger's Lotus setup/replay (from 1:31.02 to 1:30.66). The new Silverstone time enabled me to beat my third Papy Benchmark, joining my efforts at Monza and Watkins Glen. It was now time to work on the Ring this weekend. My personal best at the Ring was 9:01.95 in a Ferrari (using Alison's setup). I decided to attempt getting under 9:00 in a rather unorthodox fashion. I first wanted to improve some of my poor times in the other chassis. My goal was to at least get these to relative respectability while simultaneously really learning the track. So my plan was to drive three flying laps at the Ring in all the chassis. First up on Friday night was the Cooper (using Alison's setup). This one was a joy to drive, relatively easy to keep on the track. My previous best was around 9:39. On the third lap, more or less clean, I dropped that to 9:08.78. A promising start. Next up was the Eagle. My previous best was around the same as the Cooper - 9:40.xx, I think. I had more trouble with this one, never getting a clean lap, and only managed a pathetic 9:18.02. On Saturday afternoon, I switched to the Honda, having previously clocked in at around 9:35.xx. I also had problems on all three of my laps and only brought it down to 9:15.83. On to the Brabham. Previous best was 9:24.xx. I never feel like I am going fast in this car because of its gear range, but I was surprised when I brought it home at 9:01.88. This was a new overall personal best, improving my Ferrari time by an eyelash - 0:00.07. I didn't get any more seat time until late Sunday night and I was determined to break 9:00 before the end of the weekend, so I went right to the Ferrari. The BRM and the Lotus would have to wait until later. My out lap was horrific, more spins than I had managed all weekend. My first flying lap wasn't much better. I took it fairly easy on the second flying lap, still had one brief spin on the run up to the Carousel, and was flabbergasted to see my pitboard read 8:57.95 as I exited the hairpin! I wiped out early on lap three and called it a night, stoked at having accomplished my goal. Yahoo! Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Hello, David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > First, off thanks to Uwe for such a great website. Man, has it been fun > working on those GPL personal bests. I haven't had possibility to race online, so the Rank has been really fun for me too! But this is going to change. I will be able to do online racing soon. What you are writing is very much the same, that I have been doing for 3 weeks or so. Lapping some 1-2 hours per evening on different circuits. At that time I have been able to bring my handicap from 180+ something to what it is today (22.95). (Well. To get the ranking I just needed times on all the tracks and I havent really tried them all before). Still I cannot understand Spa. I'm totally stuck on 3:23xx and I should get 3 secs of to match the Papy benchmark. I feel like I know the track and try hard as hell, but thats the best I can do. BTW. I Just made 08:37.57 at the Ring! still over 15 secs behind Papy time... There are just so many turns what you can get wrong and loose lots of time. You just have to do it again,again,again (the 'Teletubbies' mantra) and each time try to go faster. Cheking out for today. (waiting for the ISDN ...) -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank +22.95 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

Congratulations! That made a great read btw. :) I'm still bashing away with the default setups but I reckon I can just about get under 9:00 in the cooper/coventry if I cut out the mistakes. My current best is 9:20, but I've only been driving the ring for a week, and that included about 15 seconds worth of spins. I can't compete with your other times though. Although I got GPL the day it was released, I've only been driving the easy tracks for 95% of that time. I've really been missing out, some of the harder circuit are just fantastic.

Simon Brown wrote: > > Although I got GPL the day it was released, I've only been driving the easy > tracks for 95% of that time. I've really been missing out, some of the > harder circuit are just fantastic. Woah!!! U got that right. Monza, SPa, them tracks are boooring. You haven't experienced GPL til you've ran a personal best at tracks like the Ring, and Mosport Martyn_D

I weep uncontrollably at the very thought of your times. Over the past 3-4 weeks I have got my h/cap down from around 480 to 146.29...still way off Eldred (sorry mate, had to give you a plug). When I can beat Eldred, I'll be allowed to be a bit smug. 'Til then tho', I can only curl up and cry into my pillow as I watch you guys beat me. ;>( -- Buzzin' Off The Orange Gloved Mosquito VFT CAMS Accredited F3 O3 U3 GPLRank = 146.29 "David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > First, off thanks to Uwe for such a great website. Man, has it been fun > working on those GPL personal bests. > > I had previously managed to get my handicap down by exactly five seconds > without attacking the Ring: > > Monaco - 1.59 seconds just by persevering, using Alison's X-files Lotus > setup (from 1:33.53 to 1:31.94) > Spa - 3.05 seconds thanks to Greger Huttu's Eagle setup and watching his > replay (from 3:26.63 to 3:23.58) > Silverstone - 0.36 seconds by again using Greger's Lotus setup/replay > (from 1:31.02 to 1:30.66). The new Silverstone time enabled me to beat > my third Papy Benchmark, joining my efforts at Monza and Watkins Glen. > > It was now time to work on the Ring this weekend. My personal best at > the Ring was 9:01.95 in a Ferrari (using Alison's setup). I decided to > attempt getting under 9:00 in a rather unorthodox fashion. I first > wanted to improve some of my poor times in the other chassis. My goal > was to at least get these to relative respectability while > simultaneously really learning the track. So my plan was to drive three > flying laps at the Ring in all the chassis. > > First up on Friday night was the Cooper (using Alison's setup). This > one was a joy to drive, relatively easy to keep on the track. My > previous best was around 9:39. On the third lap, more or less clean, > I dropped that to 9:08.78. A promising start. > > Next up was the Eagle. My previous best was around the same as the > Cooper - 9:40.xx, I think. I had more trouble with this one, never > getting a clean lap, and only managed a pathetic 9:18.02. > > On Saturday afternoon, I switched to the Honda, having previously > clocked in at around 9:35.xx. I also had problems on all three of my > laps and only brought it down to 9:15.83. > > On to the Brabham. Previous best was 9:24.xx. I never feel like I am > going fast in this car because of its gear range, but I was surprised > when I brought it home at 9:01.88. This was a new overall personal > best, improving my Ferrari time by an eyelash - 0:00.07. > > I didn't get any more seat time until late Sunday night and I was > determined to break 9:00 before the end of the weekend, so I went right > to the Ferrari. The BRM and the Lotus would have to wait until later. > My out lap was horrific, more spins than I had managed all weekend. My > first flying lap wasn't much better. I took it fairly easy on the > second flying lap, still had one brief spin on the run up to the > Carousel, and was flabbergasted to see my pitboard read 8:57.95 as I > exited the hairpin! I wiped out early on lap three and called it a > night, stoked at having accomplished my goal. Yahoo! > > Dave Ewing > > -- > ***************************************************** > David A. Ewing > Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] > ***************************************************** > > >

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> In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > and was flabbergasted to see my pitboard read 8:57.95 as I > >exited the hairpin! I wiped out early on lap three and called it a > >night, stoked at having accomplished my goal. Yahoo! > > > > Congrats!

Thanks, Eldred! Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

In article <8ke2kp$2f4$[email hidden]>, "Andrew Mercieca" <[email hidden]> writes: >I weep uncontrollably at the very thought of your times. Over the past 3-4 >weeks I have got my h/cap down from around 480 to 146.29...still way off >Eldred (sorry mate, had to give you a plug). When I can beat Eldred, I'll be >allowed to be a bit smug. 'Til then tho', I can only curl up and cry into my >pillow as I watch you guys beat me. ;>( > When I 'joined' GPLRank, my hcp. was 137-something. I've since gotten down to 70.45 (or whatever my .sig file says<g>). All but about .16 of that was at the Ring. I made up the other .16 at Silverstone. I can't BUDGE any of my other PB's... Once I get down to about 8:30 at the Ring(I'm guessing that's about my limit), I'll be stuck with no other hope of advancing. The other 30 seconds I think I can gain will put me at about +40. That's still almost 2 MINUTES off records...(!) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes:

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>First, off thanks to Uwe for such a great website. Man, has it been fun >working on those GPL personal bests. > >I had previously managed to get my handicap down by exactly five seconds >without attacking the Ring: > >Monaco - 1.59 seconds just by persevering, using Alison's X-files Lotus >setup (from 1:33.53 to 1:31.94) >Spa - 3.05 seconds thanks to Greger Huttu's Eagle setup and watching his >replay (from 3:26.63 to 3:23.58) >Silverstone - 0.36 seconds by again using Greger's Lotus setup/replay >(from 1:31.02 to 1:30.66). The new Silverstone time enabled me to beat >my third Papy Benchmark, joining my efforts at Monza and Watkins Glen.

Wow - that's a lot of time...

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>[snippage] >I didn't get any more seat time until late Sunday night and I was >determined to break 9:00 before the end of the weekend, so I went right >to the Ferrari. The BRM and the Lotus would have to wait until later. >My out lap was horrific, more spins than I had managed all weekend. My >first flying lap wasn't much better. I took it fairly easy on the >second flying lap, still had one brief spin on the run up to the >Carousel, and was flabbergasted to see my pitboard read 8:57.95 as I >exited the hairpin! I wiped out early on lap three and called it a >night, stoked at having accomplished my goal. Yahoo! >

Congrats! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Then it's about time you started using replay analyser. I have found >this an excellent tool in figuring out where I am losing time the most >compared to my current PB. > >What I do is run a few laps and, if I fail to improve I then record one >or two of the best laps that I just did and then compare them in replay >anal with my current PB lap to see where it is that I am not doing as >well as I could be. Then, whilst fresh in my mind I go back to the >track and go for it again. This helps me to know which parts of the >track that I don't need to push any harder on so that I can concentrate >extra hard on those parts that I know I am losing out. > >Saves a lot of wasted effort pushing extra hard on sections of the >circuit that you were doing fine on anyway. Give it a go my son! :)

I've tried that. For some reason, I'm just not seeing the difference in the laps. I guess I'm just not looking for the right things. I'll try a line that *looked* faster in a replay, and end up going SLOWER...<sigh> Plus, I don't have time to practice 4+ hours a day like some do...<G> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes:

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>On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:24:45 -0600, David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote: >>EldredP wrote: >> >>> In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> >writes: >>> >>> >>> > and was flabbergasted to see my pitboard read 8:57.95 as I >>> >exited the hairpin! I wiped out early on lap three and called it a >>> >night, stoked at having accomplished my goal. Yahoo! >>> > >>> >>> Congrats! >> >>Thanks, Eldred! >> >>Dave Ewing > >Hey Eldred, > >when can we expect an improved handicap? Currently the St. Eldred >Cup is quite stationary to say the least ;-)

Well, I got pissed off at GPL, then my TSW pedal needs repair, now my phone line is down. I got the pedal fixed temporarily last night, but couldn't get close to my times... :( We'll see how the weekend goes...I'm catching a cold, or something. >:( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:24:45 -0600, David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>EldredP wrote: > >> In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >> > and was flabbergasted to see my pitboard read 8:57.95 as I >> >exited the hairpin! I wiped out early on lap three and called it a >> >night, stoked at having accomplished my goal. Yahoo! >> > >> >> Congrats! > >Thanks, Eldred! > >Dave Ewing

Hey Eldred, when can we expect an improved handicap? Currently the St. Eldred Cup is quite stationary to say the least ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de for direct mail (from: is spambox) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Nooooo, Eldred, don't do that! I'm finally in the Top 10 (8th) of the St. Eldred Cup. This is the only GPL competition that could EVER happen in!!! Only a couple of seconds away from #1 <g> "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:24:45 -0600, David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote: > >EldredP wrote: > > > >> In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]>writes:

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> >> > >> > >> > and was flabbergasted to see my pitboard read 8:57.95 as I > >> >exited the hairpin! I wiped out early on lap three and called it a > >> >night, stoked at having accomplished my goal. Yahoo! > >> > > >> > >> Congrats! > > > >Thanks, Eldred! > > > >Dave Ewing > > Hey Eldred, > > when can we expect an improved handicap? Currently the St. Eldred > Cup is quite stationary to say the least ;-) > > > Uwe > > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de for direct mail (from: is spambox) > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <[email hidden]>, EldredP <[email hidden]> writes <snip>

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>When I 'joined' GPLRank, my hcp. was 137-something. I've since gotten >down to >70.45 (or whatever my .sig file says<g>). All but about .16 of that was at the >Ring. I made up the other .16 at Silverstone. I can't BUDGE any of my >other >PB's... >Once I get down to about 8:30 at the Ring(I'm guessing that's about my >limit), >I'll be stuck with no other hope of advancing. The other 30 seconds I think I >can gain will put me at about +40. That's still almost 2 MINUTES off >records...(!) > >Eldred >

Then it's about time you started using replay analyser. I have found this an excellent tool in figuring out where I am losing time the most compared to my current PB. What I do is run a few laps and, if I fail to improve I then record one or two of the best laps that I just did and then compare them in replay anal with my current PB lap to see where it is that I am not doing as well as I could be. Then, whilst fresh in my mind I go back to the track and go for it again. This helps me to know which parts of the track that I don't need to push any harder on so that I can concentrate extra hard on those parts that I know I am losing out. Saves a lot of wasted effort pushing extra hard on sections of the circuit that you were doing fine on anyway. Give it a go my son! :) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

Ahh well Eldred seein as you aren't makin alotta use out of those TSW's... can i borrow em? +) Martyn_D EldredP wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes: > > >On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:24:45 -0600, David Ewing <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>EldredP wrote: > >> > >>> In article <[email hidden]>, David Ewing <[email hidden]> > >writes: > >>> > >>> > >>> > and was flabbergasted to see my pitboard read 8:57.95 as I > >>> >exited the hairpin! I wiped out early on lap three and called it a > >>> >night, stoked at having accomplished my goal. Yahoo! > >>> > > >>> > >>> Congrats! > >> > >>Thanks, Eldred! > >> > >>Dave Ewing > > > >Hey Eldred, > > > >when can we expect an improved handicap? Currently the St. Eldred > >Cup is quite stationary to say the least ;-) > > Well, I got pissed off at GPL, then my TSW pedal needs repair, now my phone > line is down. I got the pedal fixed temporarily last night, but couldn't get > close to my times... :( > We'll see how the weekend goes...I'm catching a cold, or something. >:( > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, EldredP <[email hidden]> writes

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Then it's about time you started using replay analyser. I have found >>this an excellent tool in figuring out where I am losing time the most >>compared to my current PB. >> >>What I do is run a few laps and, if I fail to improve I then record one >>or two of the best laps that I just did and then compare them in replay >>anal with my current PB lap to see where it is that I am not doing as >>well as I could be. Then, whilst fresh in my mind I go back to the >>track and go for it again. This helps me to know which parts of the >>track that I don't need to push any harder on so that I can concentrate >>extra hard on those parts that I know I am losing out. >> >>Saves a lot of wasted effort pushing extra hard on sections of the >>circuit that you were doing fine on anyway. Give it a go my son! :) > >I've tried that. For some reason, I'm just not seeing the difference in the >laps. I guess I'm just not looking for the right things. I'll try a line that >*looked* faster in a replay, and end up going SLOWER...<sigh> >Plus, I don't have time to practice 4+ hours a day like some do...<G> > >Eldred

Try tools menu ->graph and then select Time and click on the time difference box and then move your mouse over the graph. It will highlight the part of the track (on the little map) to show you the part of the track that the mouse pointer relates to. You can then see exactly where you are gaining/losing the most time. :) -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>I've tried that. For some reason, I'm just not seeing the difference in the >>laps. I guess I'm just not looking for the right things. I'll try a line >that >>*looked* faster in a replay, and end up going SLOWER...<sigh> >>Plus, I don't have time to practice 4+ hours a day like some do...<G> >> >>Eldred > >Try tools menu ->graph and then select Time and click on the time >difference box and then move your mouse over the graph. It will >highlight the part of the track (on the little map) to show you the part >of the track that the mouse pointer relates to. You can then see >exactly where you are gaining/losing the most time. :) >--

I've done that with hotlappers' replays. All I see is rapidly diverging lines...<g> In other words, I'm slower EVERYWHERE. There usually isn't a definite spot. Although, it might prove more useful comparing two of my own laps.. Presumably, there would be enough of a difference to SEE... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, EldredP <[email hidden]> writes

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>>I've tried that. For some reason, I'm just not seeing the difference in the >>>laps. I guess I'm just not looking for the right things. I'll try a line >>that >>>*looked* faster in a replay, and end up going SLOWER...<sigh> >>>Plus, I don't have time to practice 4+ hours a day like some do...<G> >>> >>>Eldred >> >>Try tools menu ->graph and then select Time and click on the time >>difference box and then move your mouse over the graph. It will >>highlight the part of the track (on the little map) to show you the part >>of the track that the mouse pointer relates to. You can then see >>exactly where you are gaining/losing the most time. :) >>-- > >I've done that with hotlappers' replays. All I see is rapidly diverging >lines...<g> In other words, I'm slower EVERYWHERE. There usually isn't a >definite spot. Although, it might prove more useful comparing two of my own >laps.. Presumably, there would be enough of a difference to SEE... > >Eldred

Mmm, I reckon there should be. No matter how consistent we all may think we are. :) Also leaving the the first radio button on speed will show the difference in speed alongside the time difference. Hopefully that will give ya something to work on. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.