Re: GPL Newbie Ramblings and Mutterings

There are plenty of people out there who lap MUCH slower than 1:30 - 1:31 at Monza and race on VROC. Once you are pretty consistent, and won't cause 10 car pile-ups, dive in, it's what GPL is really all about =) Cheers, ..Colin

In article <wU8b5.32048$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Robin MacMahon) wrote: > Late to the GPL scene I finally dove in and bought the sim when I saw > a price that I couldn't pass up. ************Stuff Snipped************ Hehe, great story, brings back memories of my first tentative sessions with GPL, my was it *that* long ago? Just take your time, and practice, practice oh and did I say practice? You do *not* need to be doing 1:30's to race at VROC, as long as you are consistent, and don't get in the way of much faster drivers, then you can try VROCwith no probs, thats what realy counts. When you get some more experience, and the times start to tumble (they will, I promise) you will then begin to *feel* the car, thats when the fun really starts.... 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

Great post, Robin. Hang in there. There was excellent advice downstream from Don Scurlock about not using Shift-R so much due to the cold tire effect. Try that. Also, you don't need to lap in the 1:30 range to race on VROC. Once you can race consistently (stay on the track, hold your line, safely let others by), you should be able to race on VROC with no problem. Have fun, Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

>There are plenty of people out there who lap MUCH slower than 1:30 - 1:31 at >Monza and race on VROC. >Once you are pretty consistent, and won't cause 10 car pile-ups, dive in, >it's what GPL is really all about =) > My times are in the 1:36 bracket at Monza, but I am a safe driver..........

On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:25:48 GMT, "Robin MacMahon" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I just wanted to let all the people who have never tried GPL that you should >definitely try this sim if only to improve your spin recovery technique. ROFL!!

Late to the GPL scene I finally dove in and bought the sim when I saw a price that I couldn't pass up. Rush home and first things first... go online to dl everything I thought I would need add-on and patches wise (thanks to all who post answers in ras about gpl -- I wouldn't have found the sites without all the help). I load GPL, apply the 1.2 patch and following the general consensus in ras I loaded Allison's set-ups for the Coventry and proceed to Monza. Go straight to the GP cars and start turning laps cautiously at first... about 1:40. I'm thinkin' this isn't so bad. The car's a little unforgiving but I think I can start pushing it. So, I start throwing it into corners and grabbin' it exiting corners and I get my times to a consistent 1:35 to 1:36 with only a couple of spins. Then I start thinking about frame rate... how much detail can I turn on without losing precious frames per second. Go to the options screen and that's when I notice it. "Brake Help" = ON!!! "Steering Help" = ON!!! OOOoooooHHhhhhh NNNnnnnOOooooooo!!! Okay, that's okay. Turn that mamby-pamby help off and go back to the pits. Exit pits... promptly doughnut the car! Okay, "shift-R", and like they are fond of saying in ras -- gently squeeze down on the throttle and accelerate. No problem. "Curva Grande" coming up brake into it in a straight line -- put the nose into the guard rail. Arrrgh! Okay, that's okay. "Shift-R" and squeeze the throttle down. No problem. "Della Rogia" coming up -- whew, feeling a momentary confidence... brake into "Lesmos" very cautiously, this might not be so bad... exiting "Lesmos" I get on the gas a little too quickly and the back end comes around like it was hit at a crossing by a freight train!!! "Shift-R" and accelerate cautiously through "Serraglio" lift slightly coming into "Ascari" back on the throttle and brake hard into "Parabolica". I must have done that right because I actually get into it okay, hit the apex with slight tire squeal, a little brick footed on the gas and that freight train hits the back end again!!! "*(#%(*@^%^#**%(^^#$^(@!*$%*%($!!!!!" It's okay, breathe, breathe deeply. This is fun... just keep telling yourself this is fun."Shift-R" and I'm on my way again. Cross the start finish and do it all again. I have been repeating this scenario for the last hour and I am now into the 1:35's again and I can actually put 3 to 5 laps together without an off. I just wanted to let all the people who have never tried GPL that you should definitely try this sim if only to improve your spin recovery technique. The thing of it all is that after an hour I was used up... and grinning like a fool after putting together 5 laps that were reasonably consistent even if they are a little slow. I remember someone posting that VROC should be avoided until you can run a 1:30 to 1:31 at Monza... you won't be seeing me there any time soon. I have a lot of work to do. Robin " Robin is Racin' "

Hehe, nice story....but Monza is the hard track, better start on an easy one like Nurburgring.... :-P Remco "Robin MacMahon" <[email hidden]> wrote: <SNIP>

Actually i think yer right Remco.. from an online open race POV, the Ring ain't bad at all Martyn_D Remco Moedt wrote:

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> Hehe, nice story....but Monza is the hard track, better > start on an easy one like Nurburgring.... :-P > > Remco > > "Robin MacMahon" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <SNIP>

[email hidden] (Robin MacMahon) wrote in <wU8b5.32048$[email hidden]>: >Okay, that's okay. Turn that mamby-pamby help off and go back to the pits. >Exit pits... promptly doughnut the car! Okay, "shift-R", and like they are >fond of saying in ras -- gently squeeze down on the throttle and accelerate. >No problem. "Curva Grande" coming up brake into it in a straight line -- put >the nose into the guard rail. Arrrgh! Okay, that's okay. "Shift-R" Keep in Mind Robin that the reduced traction of cold tires is a bit overdone in gpl, and you shouldn't try to go hard on the first lap, and every time you shift-r your back on cold tires. While your learning, better to run in no damage mode, and spent more time on warmed up tires. Also, when using the default setups, reduce the fuel level(weight) and save the setup with another name, helps a bunch. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -3.51 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/

.... Great story. It brings back memories of my first few (30+) sessions with GPL. Just stick with it and you'll see why it has become a passion with many. When you start running consistent 1:30's at Monza you'll really start to "feel" the car and it's limit and know when you've just crossed it. Have fun....don't get discouraged, take it slow at first, and you'll be glad you stuck it out. Great fun awaits!

Mine is 1.32 with a Lotus (Grand Prix mode and real damage). Don't know how Clark can do 1.29. Must be his setup. "Robin MacMahon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wU8b5.32048$[email hidden]...

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> Late to the GPL scene I finally dove in and bought the sim when I saw a > price that I couldn't pass up. Rush home and first things first... go online > to dl everything I thought I would need add-on and patches wise (thanks to > all who post answers in ras about gpl -- I wouldn't have found the sites > without all the help). > I load GPL, apply the 1.2 patch and following the general consensus in ras I > loaded Allison's set-ups for the Coventry and proceed to Monza. Go straight > to the GP cars and start turning laps cautiously at first... about 1:40. I'm > thinkin' this isn't so bad. The car's a little unforgiving but I think I can > start pushing it. So, I start throwing it into corners and grabbin' it > exiting corners and I get my times to a consistent 1:35 to 1:36 with only a > couple of spins. > Then I start thinking about frame rate... how much detail can I turn on > without losing precious frames per second. Go to the options screen and > that's when I notice it. "Brake Help" = ON!!! "Steering Help" = ON!!! > OOOoooooHHhhhhh NNNnnnnOOooooooo!!! > Okay, that's okay. Turn that mamby-pamby help off and go back to the pits. > Exit pits... promptly doughnut the car! Okay, "shift-R", and like they are > fond of saying in ras -- gently squeeze down on the throttle and accelerate. > No problem. "Curva Grande" coming up brake into it in a straight line -- put > the nose into the guard rail. Arrrgh! Okay, that's okay. "Shift-R" and > squeeze the throttle down. No problem. "Della Rogia" coming up -- whew, > feeling a momentary confidence... brake into "Lesmos" very cautiously, this > might not be so bad... exiting "Lesmos" I get on the gas a little too > quickly and the back end comes around like it was hit at a crossing by a > freight train!!! "Shift-R" and accelerate cautiously through "Serraglio" > lift slightly coming into "Ascari" back on the throttle and brake hard into > "Parabolica". I must have done that right because I actually get into it > okay, hit the apex with slight tire squeal, a little brick footed on the gas > and that freight train hits the back end again!!! > "*(#%(*@^%^#**%(^^#$^(@!*$%*%($!!!!!" It's okay, breathe, breathe deeply. > This is fun... just keep telling yourself this is fun."Shift-R" and I'm on > my way again. Cross the start finish and do it all again. > I have been repeating this scenario for the last hour and I am now into the > 1:35's again and I can actually put 3 to 5 laps together without an off. I > just wanted to let all the people who have never tried GPL that you should > definitely try this sim if only to improve your spin recovery technique. > The thing of it all is that after an hour I was used up... and grinning like > a fool after putting together 5 laps that were reasonably consistent even if > they are a little slow. I remember someone posting that VROC should be > avoided until you can run a 1:30 to 1:31 at Monza... you won't be seeing me > there any time soon. I have a lot of work to do. > Robin > " Robin is Racin' " > > > > >

ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get new cold slippery tires! When I started out I set damage to none and if I wrecked I would just dirve back to the track and continue if possible! SLG "Robin MacMahon" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Okay, that's okay. Turn that mamby-pamby help off and go back to the pits. >Exit pits... promptly doughnut the car! Okay, "shift-R", and like they are >fond of saying in ras -- gently squeeze down on the throttle and accelerate. >No problem. "Curva Grande" coming up brake into it in a straight line -- put >the nose into the guard rail. Arrrgh! Okay, that's okay. "Shift-R" and >squeeze the throttle down. No problem. "Della Rogia" coming up -- whew, >feeling a momentary confidence... brake into "Lesmos" very cautiously, this >might not be so bad... exiting "Lesmos" I get on the gas a little too >quickly and the back end comes around like it was hit at a crossing by a >freight train!!! "Shift-R" and accelerate cautiously through "Serraglio" >lift slightly coming into "Ascari" back on the throttle and brake hard into >"Parabolica". I must have done that right because I actually get into it >okay, hit the apex with slight tire squeal, a little brick footed on the gas >and that freight train hits the back end again!!! >"*(#%(*@^%^#**%(^^#$^(@!*$%*%($!!!!!" It's okay, breathe, breathe deeply. >This is fun... just keep telling yourself this is fun."Shift-R" and I'm on >my way again. Cross the start finish and do it all again. >I have been repeating this scenario for the last hour and I am now into the >1:35's again and I can actually put 3 to 5 laps together without an off. I >just wanted to let all the people who have never tried GPL that you should >definitely try this sim if only to improve your spin recovery technique. >The thing of it all is that after an hour I was used up... and grinning like >a fool after putting together 5 laps that were reasonably consistent even if >they are a little slow. I remember someone posting that VROC should be >avoided until you can run a 1:30 to 1:31 at Monza... you won't be seeing me >there any time soon. I have a lot of work to do. > Robin >" Robin is Racin' " > > > > >

(All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are due to too many English classes/teachers)

Thanks Don, I didn't know that. Learning all the time. I have now spent about 2 to 3 hours with GPL and I am getting more comfortable in the drivers seat. I just can't imagine the hours it takes to master this thing. Multiply all the cars by all the tracks and it equates to a ton of hours practicing. I'll try the tip on the setup -- does it apply to Allison's setups as well? Robin " Robin is Racin' " "Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8F6FD2215dscurlock@news... > [email hidden] (Robin MacMahon) wrote in > <wU8b5.32048$[email hidden]>: > > >Okay, that's okay. Turn that mamby-pamby help off and go back to thepits. > >Exit pits... promptly doughnut the car! Okay, "shift-R", and like theyare > >fond of saying in ras -- gently squeeze down on the throttle andaccelerate. > >No problem. "Curva Grande" coming up brake into it in a straight line --put > >the nose into the guard rail. Arrrgh! Okay, that's okay. "Shift-R" > > Keep in Mind Robin that the reduced traction of cold tires is a bitoverdone in > gpl, and you shouldn't try to go hard on the first lap, and every time you > shift-r your back on cold tires. While your learning, better to run in no > damage mode, and spent more time on warmed up tires. Also, when using the > default setups, reduce the fuel level(weight) and save the setup withanother

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> name, helps a bunch. > > -- > Don Scurlock > Vancouver,B.C. > GPLRank -3.51 > > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site > http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/ >

Thanks for the tip, Steve. Someone else noted the same thing to me and I am going to try just turning the laps without the "Shift-R". Robin " Robin is Racin' " "Steve Garrotto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get new cold > slippery tires! When I started out I set damage to none and if I > wrecked I would just dirve back to the track and continue if possible! > > SLG > > "Robin MacMahon" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > >Okay, that's okay. Turn that mamby-pamby help off and go back to the

pits. > >Exit pits... promptly doughnut the car! Okay, "shift-R", and like theyare > >fond of saying in ras -- gently squeeze down on the throttle andaccelerate. > >No problem. "Curva Grande" coming up brake into it in a straight line --put > >the nose into the guard rail. Arrrgh! Okay, that's okay. "Shift-R" and > >squeeze the throttle down. No problem. "Della Rogia" coming up -- whew, > >feeling a momentary confidence... brake into "Lesmos" very cautiously,this > >might not be so bad... exiting "Lesmos" I get on the gas a little too > >quickly and the back end comes around like it was hit at a crossing by a > >freight train!!! "Shift-R" and accelerate cautiously through "Serraglio" > >lift slightly coming into "Ascari" back on the throttle and brake hardinto > >"Parabolica". I must have done that right because I actually get into it > >okay, hit the apex with slight tire squeal, a little brick footed on thegas > >and that freight train hits the back end again!!! > >"*(#%(*@^%^#**%(^^#$^(@!*$%*%($!!!!!" It's okay, breathe, breathe deeply. > >This is fun... just keep telling yourself this is fun."Shift-R" and I'mon > >my way again. Cross the start finish and do it all again. > >I have been repeating this scenario for the last hour and I am now intothe > >1:35's again and I can actually put 3 to 5 laps together without an off.I > >just wanted to let all the people who have never tried GPL that youshould > >definitely try this sim if only to improve your spin recovery technique. > >The thing of it all is that after an hour I was used up... and grinninglike > >a fool after putting together 5 laps that were reasonably consistent evenif > >they are a little slow. I remember someone posting that VROC should be > >avoided until you can run a 1:30 to 1:31 at Monza... you won't be seeingme

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> >there any time soon. I have a lot of work to do. > > Robin > >" Robin is Racin' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > (All spelling errors are intentional and are there to show new > and improved ways of spelling old words. Grammatical errors are > due to too many English classes/teachers) > >

Uh yeah, I was born... just not yesterday. Hehehe... Robin " Robin is Racin' " "Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Hehe, nice story....but Monza is the hard track, better > start on an easy one like Nurburgring.... :-P > > Remco > > "Robin MacMahon" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <SNIP> > >

A decent setup can help, however, you still have WEEKS/months/years of practice to go +) Martyn_D Robin MacMahon wrote:

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> Thanks Don, I didn't know that. Learning all the time. I have now spent > about 2 to 3 hours with GPL and I am getting more comfortable in the drivers > seat. I just can't imagine the hours it takes to master this thing. Multiply > all the cars by all the tracks and it equates to a ton of hours practicing. > I'll try the tip on the setup -- does it apply to Allison's setups as well? > Robin > " Robin is Racin' " > "Don Scurlock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8F6FD2215dscurlock@news... > > [email hidden] (Robin MacMahon) wrote in > > <wU8b5.32048$[email hidden]>: > > > > >Okay, that's okay. Turn that mamby-pamby help off and go back to the > pits. > > >Exit pits... promptly doughnut the car! Okay, "shift-R", and like they > are > > >fond of saying in ras -- gently squeeze down on the throttle and > accelerate. > > >No problem. "Curva Grande" coming up brake into it in a straight line -- > put > > >the nose into the guard rail. Arrrgh! Okay, that's okay. "Shift-R" > > > > Keep in Mind Robin that the reduced traction of cold tires is a bit > overdone in > > gpl, and you shouldn't try to go hard on the first lap, and every time you > > shift-r your back on cold tires. While your learning, better to run in no > > damage mode, and spent more time on warmed up tires. Also, when using the > > default setups, reduce the fuel level(weight) and save the setup with > another > > name, helps a bunch. > > > > -- > > Don Scurlock > > Vancouver,B.C. > > GPLRank -3.51 > > > > Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site > > http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/ > >

[email hidden] (Robin MacMahon) wrote in <Aulb5.32405$[email hidden]>: >Thanks Don, I didn't know that. Learning all the time. I have now spent >about 2 to 3 hours with GPL and I am getting more comfortable in the drivers >seat. I just can't imagine the hours it takes to master this thing. Multiply >all the cars by all the tracks and it equates to a ton of hours practicing. >I'll try the tip on the setup -- does it apply to Allison's setups as well? > Robin It is that challenge that has kept me into gpl longer than any other driving game, the challenge never really ends. No matter how good you get, there are other good people to race, so the challenge is always at a high level. Only the default setups come with full tanks of fuel. Play with the fuel level in the setup screen and watch how the cars weight changes. A good habit to get into: very first thing when entering a race, look at the number of laps, then go check your fuel, always add a few extra laps, as the fuel estimate in the setup page is low. Another easy mistake to make: in the setup screen you have two setups, Current and Race, make sure you have the proper setup selected in race or you'll end up starting a race with the default setup with a full tank of fuel and wondering WTF is going on. -- Don Scurlock Vancouver,B.C. GPLRank -3.51 Come see how you rank, at the GPLRank site http://gplrank.schuerkamp.de/

Hi Robin Don't expect to get down to 1.30 in a Cooper very quickly - most experienced drivers struggle to do that cos the Cooper has bad aero and low power to weight. The 1.30 figure is really aimed at Lotus/Eagle drivers. You can still race online if you are not that quick - just try to be consistent. Paul

Cooper 1:30's ...... If u can do 1:30's in a cooper u can do 1:28's in a Lotus or Eagle Martyn_D Paul Harrington wrote:

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> Hi Robin > Don't expect to get down to 1.30 in a Cooper very quickly - most > experienced drivers struggle to do that cos the Cooper has bad aero and low > power to weight. The 1.30 figure is really aimed at Lotus/Eagle drivers. You > can still race online if you are not that quick - just try to be consistent. > > Paul

At least at the ring YOU dont lap me remco ;) Troy "Remco Moedt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Hehe, nice story....but Monza is the hard track, better > start on an easy one like Nurburgring.... :-P > > Remco > > "Robin MacMahon" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <SNIP> > >

You're doomed Robin, doomed I tell you!! -No matter what you think now, GPL has got it's clutches deeply inbedded in you and it won't let go. Your life is over. Like fellow regular Andre put it: "you have been assimilated, resistance is futile." ;-) It's fun though, you'll never be able to satisfactory explain an outsider why, but it's fun nonetheless. Jan. =--- Robin MacMahon wrote... > Late to the GPL scene <snip>

Steve Garrotto wrote: >ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get new cold >slippery tires! Everyone keeps saying that. But is that actually true? I haven't noticed this to be the case. When starting a new session, the first lap out of the pits is always godawfully slippery on stone cold tires. I suppose if you never make it past the first lap without using Shift-R, then you'll be constantly driving on cold tires. That's definitely no fun at all. But don't get discouraged. Just take it really easy for the first lap or two until you work some heat into the tires. After putting in a couple of successful laps the tire temps will be much better and you'll notice a huge increase in grip and control. If I have to Shift-R after that, I find the car will still have similar high levels of grip. It's not at all like going back to stone cold tires. I'm sure I'm not just imagining that, right? Using Shift-R WILL reset your fuel levels though. So if you started your session with a full fuel load, raced for many laps without crashing and are finally down to well-handling car with a light fuel load, and then crashed and were forced to use Shift-R late in the session, you would certainly notice a big difference in handling due to the sudden increase in fuel load. -Ferdinand-

U imagin things Ferdinand, u do get cold tires and the resulting grip levels Martyn_D Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff wrote:

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> Steve Garrotto wrote: > > >ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get new cold > >slippery tires! > > Everyone keeps saying that. But is that actually true? I haven't > noticed this to be the case. > > When starting a new session, the first lap out of the pits is always > godawfully slippery on stone cold tires. I suppose if you never > make it past the first lap without using Shift-R, then you'll be > constantly driving on cold tires. That's definitely no fun at all. > But don't get discouraged. Just take it really easy for the first > lap or two until you work some heat into the tires. After putting > in a couple of successful laps the tire temps will be much better > and you'll notice a huge increase in grip and control. > > If I have to Shift-R after that, I find the car will still have > similar high levels of grip. It's not at all like going back to > stone cold tires. I'm sure I'm not just imagining that, right? > > Using Shift-R WILL reset your fuel levels though. So if you started > your session with a full fuel load, raced for many laps without > crashing and are finally down to well-handling car with a light fuel > load, and then crashed and were forced to use Shift-R late in the > session, you would certainly notice a big difference in handling due > to the sudden increase in fuel load. > > -Ferdinand-

"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Peter Ives > <[email hidden]> writes > >In article <[email hidden]>, Ferdinand > >Trauttmansdorff <[email hidden]> writes > >>Steve Garrotto wrote: > >> > >>>ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get new cold > >>>slippery tires! > >> > > > > Whoops! Snipped a bit too much here. Forgot this bit. :( > > Everyone keeps saying that. But is that actually true? I haven't > noticed this to be the case.

It's true. The benefit to hot-lapping in practice mode is you can then turn off damage modelling. Ignoring damage doesn't help laptimes per se, but allows you to keep your hot tires for your timed laps, even after slamming a wall or two. For the obvious reason, this is particularly relevant for the 'Ring. Feeling how the car is handling ranks very close to the top of the list of skills you need to go even moderately fast. Cold tires (and their poor grip) is probably the most easily noticed. I'm not belittling you here, but I have to wonder how this can escape notice, even without a thermometer? > >Yeah it's true. Do a shift-r and then go straight back to the setup > >screen and you'll find the tyre temps and psi are back to their original > >settings. Michael.

In article <[email hidden]>, Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff <[email hidden]> writes >Steve Garrotto wrote: > >>ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get new cold >>slippery tires! > Yeah it's true. Do a shift-r and then go straight back to the setup screen and you'll find the tyre temps and psi are back to their original settings. <snip> -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Ferdinand >Trauttmansdorff <[email hidden]> writes >>Steve Garrotto wrote: >> >>>ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get new cold >>>slippery tires! >> >

Whoops! Snipped a bit too much here. Forgot this bit. :( Everyone keeps saying that. But is that actually true? I haven't noticed this to be the case. >Yeah it's true. Do a shift-r and then go straight back to the setup >screen and you'll find the tyre temps and psi are back to their original >settings. > ><snip> -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

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>> >>Steve Garrotto wrote: >> >>>ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get new cold >> >>>slippery tires! >> >> Ferdinand writes >> Everyone keeps saying that. But is that actually true? I haven't >> noticed this to be the case. >Michael Young wrote: >It's true. The benefit to hot-lapping in practice mode is you can then turn >off damage modelling. Ignoring damage doesn't help laptimes per se, but >allows you to keep your hot tires for your timed laps, even after slamming a >wall or two. For the obvious reason, this is particularly relevant for the >'Ring.

Agreed. When configured to No-Damage, I can bounce off trees and hedges and merrily continue on my way. So I'm always on hot tires. The only time I need to hit Shift-R is if I ever wind up on my head or hung up on a fence. I saved a replay of one rather messy lap at the 'Ring which included a quick spin right off the bat at Hatzenbach, another spin [hah, missed the tree this time!] at Adenaur Forst, followed by a big mess in which I climbed up the fencing backwards at Pflanzgarten did a full roll and half flip miraculously landing back on my wheels and pointing in the right direction, then mightily clanged off the guardrails in the final chicane, and still managed to complete the lap in 8:48!! That was only possible because of the no-damage mode, otherwise I would have lost several wheels along the way. >Feeling how the car is handling ranks very close to the top of the list of >skills you need to go even moderately fast. Cold tires (and their poor grip) >is probably the most easily noticed. I'm not belittling you here, but I have >to wonder how this can escape notice, even without a thermometer? Ouch. Now you've got me seriously doubting my own sanity. Maybe my lack of feel is the reason why I'm only ever moderately fast. There's no mistaking the total lack of grip when first starting any new session. I can spin the car exiting the pitlane if I'm not careful, and I go skating straight off at the first corner unless I brake gently and very early. After a lap or two the tires are up to normal temperatures and everything is fine. If I crash then and need to use Shift-R, the handling never feels anywhere near as bad as that first lap out of the pits did. I can immediately go back to full race pace. If the tires temps really did drop back down to stone cold, it should take me a lap or so just to get up to speed again. But I really haven't noticed that to be the case. Why is that? Am I just more focused after several hot laps? >> >Peter Ives wrote: >> >Yeah it's true. Do a shift-r and then go straight back to the setup >> >screen and you'll find the tyre temps and psi are back to their original >> >settings. I'm itching to get home and try that now. -Ferdinand-

LOL On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 02:03:16 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: > >Hehe, nice story....but Monza is the hard track, better >start on an easy one like Nurburgring.... :-P > >Remco --------------------------------------------- [email hidden] Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ Racing simulation, esp. GPL Logitech Wingman FF optimization Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor Radio controlled airplanes

LOL >Hehe, nice story....but Monza is the hard track, better >start on an easy one like Nurburgring.... :-P >Remco --------------------------------------------- Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/ Racing simulation, esp. GPL Logitech Wingman FF optimization Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor Radio controlled airplanes

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff) wrote: > >> >>Steve Garrotto wrote: > >> >>>ONe thing to remember!!! Every time you do a Shift-R you get newcold

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> >> >>>slippery tires! > >> > >> Ferdinand writes > >> Everyone keeps saying that. But is that actually true? I haven't > >> noticed this to be the case. > > >Michael Young wrote: > >It's true. The benefit to hot-lapping in practice mode is you can

then turn > >off damage modelling. Ignoring damage doesn't help laptimes per se,but > >allows you to keep your hot tires for your timed laps, even afterslamming a > >wall or two. For the obvious reason, this is particularly relevantfor the > >'Ring. > > Agreed. When configured to No-Damage, I can bounce off trees and > hedges and merrily continue on my way. So I'm always on hot tires. > The only time I need to hit Shift-R is if I ever wind up on my head > or hung up on a fence. I often wondered about this - given that Papy decided to impose a penalty for using auto shift and auto brake (I believe auto shift shifts a bit early and auto brake will lift braking before maximum braking effect) why isn't there some similar tweak related to the damage control - e.g. with no damage control having an engine that always behaves as if slightlt damaged by over-reving. I've always run with damage control 1 notch down from realistic as (i) with realistic I blow engines far too often (or perhaps I just haven't had the patience to learn not to blow them at this damage level) and (ii) having no damage doesn't quite feel within the true spirit of a simulator. Perhaps turning damage down to none is the key to getting past 1:30 at Monza. Thinking about it I too have often noticed that if I string a couple of good laps together then I can continue with a few more good laps - as soemone else commented I've attributed this to "getting into the ryhtmn" - perhaps its much more to do with having got tyres up to the right temperature. Postscript on damage control - I wish the same could be applied to my ForceRS which (after a year) is starting to disintegrate - hitting the wheel in disgust after a major spin is not a good idea - though then again I'm nearly ready for a realistic modern F1 sim as I'm about to get a detachable steering wheel :-( Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8kj8aj$fbm$[email hidden]>, Colin <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>There are plenty of people out there who lap MUCH slower than 1:30 - 1:31 at >Monza and race on VROC. >Once you are pretty consistent, and won't cause 10 car pile-ups, dive in, >it's what GPL is really all about =) > >Cheers, >..Colin > > >

I can whole-heartedly agree with this one. Online GPL racing is so much fun it should be illegal. See you on VROC! Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp, QuBiz ////////////// Phone: +49 5241 80 10 66 Carl-Bertelsmann-Str. 161 I \\\\\\\\\\ uwe.schuerkamp at qubiz.com 33311 Guetersloh \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ http://www.schuerkamp.de/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote > >There are plenty of people out there who lap MUCH slower than 1:30 - 1:31at > >Monza and race on VROC. Yep. Agreed. One race practise I managed to get 1:29:60 and got the pole! And I was so excited about it, so I blew the engine from my eagle at the grid before the green flag... overrevvvvvvv...... :[ -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank +8.73 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->