Here's one for ya ROFLMAO... new sim?

http://gamesdomain.yahoo.com/ps2/enthusia_professional_racing/preview/61531 Yahoo add, btw for PS2 game, A quote from the page... Senior producer Manabu Akita speaks quite forwardly, even in Japanese: His intention is to introduce the most realistic racing game available, period... </quote> Yeah right Plllllllblblblblblblblb

That game is looking very promising (not to mention graphically beautiful). Check out the videos they have comparing the handling of real car and their modelled car side-by-side. Looks like it will have better physics than Gran Turismo, in any case.

What does it take to beat "gran turismo? I mean hell I raced Motocross, and even though MX unleashed is a pretty dam fun game, i cannot say that it is a simulation, no more than G-T is... last I knew cars (yes we have a wheel for the playstation too) have infinite thottle positions, not ON-OFF! LOL least my car does... same with the steering... But I digress. maybe the next next generation of set-tops will be usable, far cry from what they have now to be sure, would have to be developed... to me the Set tops are too worried about Tunes & fluff, and why not, it isnt like the wheel has decent control of the games, let alone the "joypad" and I guarantee ya, my 10yo kid hates "sims"... but wants all 5 of the games at christmas that are in the top 5, that is the target is it not? all in good fun thou. -plow Eric Tetz enlightened us with: > That game is looking very promising (not to mention graphically > beautiful). Check out the videos they have comparing the handling of > real car and their modelled car side-by-side. Looks like it will have > better physics than Gran Turismo, in any case.

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> What does it take to beat "gran turismo? > > I mean hell I raced Motocross, and even though MX unleashed is a pretty dam > fun game, i cannot say that it is a simulation, no more than G-T is... last > I knew cars (yes we have a wheel for the playstation too) have infinite > thottle positions, not ON-OFF! LOL least my car does... same with the > steering... But I digress. maybe the next next generation of set-tops will > be usable, far cry from what they have now to be sure, would have to be > developed... to me the Set tops are too worried about Tunes & fluff, and > why not, it isnt like the wheel has decent control of the games, let alone > the "joypad" and I guarantee ya, my 10yo kid hates "sims"... but wants all > 5 of the games at christmas that are in the top 5, that is the target is it > not?

I just love these guys that trash Gran Turismo then in the next sentence admit they havent tried it with a wheel and pedals.

I Agree, its a completely different (and great IMO) game with a wheel and pedals. The only thing that puts me off GT is that its not a proper "racing" game, it's more of a driving and tuning game. Good though. All the best, Ash -- http://www.siroccoracing.com

> my 10yo kid hates "sims" You're an adult? Here's hoping English is your second language. :p Anyway, I'm not sure what your point is. Is it "Sims can't run on consoles"? A console is just a computer in applicance form. There's nothing magical about it that precludes simulators from running on it. Richard Burns Rally is just as hardcore on PC or console. Is it "Console wheels suck"? You do realize that the best consumer wheel on the market right now (Logitech Driving Force Pro) is for the Playstation, right? Is it "Consoles are only played by 10 year olds"? Your demographics info is about 20 years out of date, if it was ever accurate. I don't play Gran Turismo, so I can't comment on it's simulation accuracy. I dont even have a PS2, so I haven't been following Enthusia closely -- but the few impressions I've read have all been positive. Check out this video, which demos the physics: http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/545/545628/enthusia_physicscomparison_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.gamespy.com%2Fmedia%2F680%2F680537%2Fvid_930317.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E Source: http://media.ps2.gamespy.com/media/680/680537/vids_1.html

"Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g57Pd.37171$2p.14977@lakeread08... > What does it take to beat "gran turismo? > > I mean hell I raced Motocross, and even though MX unleashed is a prettydam > fun game, i cannot say that it is a simulation, no more than G-T is...last > I knew cars (yes we have a wheel for the playstation too) have infinite > thottle positions, not ON-OFF! LOL least my car does... same with the > steering... But I digress. maybe the next next generation of set-topswill > be usable, far cry from what they have now to be sure, would have to be > developed... to me the Set tops are too worried about Tunes & fluff, and > why not, it isnt like the wheel has decent control of the games, let alone > the "joypad" and I guarantee ya, my 10yo kid hates "sims"... but wantsall > 5 of the games at christmas that are in the top 5, that is the target isit > not? > > all in good fun thou. > > -plow > Check out the real vs. virtual Miatas: http://konamistudio.co.jp/enthusia/eng/movie/gc.html. Doesn't appear to have a cockpit view, but the car behavior does look good. The interviews at that site are interesting as well. The one with Mazda's Hiroshi Ito in particular; his comment on the sounds. "The normal exhaust sounds on the FC (RX-7) comes out right, and the sound on the 787B was also pretty close to the real thing. Especially the sounds at a high rpm are identical. " If you've ever heard a 787B, THAT should blow the speakers out of your TV in no time... ;-)

"Eric Tetz" wrote: > That game is looking very promising (not to mention graphically > beautiful). Check out the videos they have comparing the handling of > real car and their modelled car side-by-side. Looks like it will have > better physics than Gran Turismo, in any case. The videos look fantastic. To be honest if this was the latest video of rFactor or First-Racing's work in progress RAS would be wetting itself. How the driving model will translate to feel a big question along with the AI and online options. So far these are all areas that the PC sims remain in command. We shall see. Looks like a sserious attempt at modelling the physics though rather than just the normal most realistic experience hot air...

Eric Tetz enlightened us with: >> my 10yo kid hates "sims" > > You're an adult? Here's hoping English is your second language. :p LOL, Aren't you kind... So, grade the content on typo's, fine Mr Tetz... this is usenet, not english 101. 10yo means 10 Year Old, kinda (oops should be Kind Of) like ROFLMAO means, oh wait, nevermind your the expert here...

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> > Anyway, I'm not sure what your point is. > > Is it "Sims can't run on consoles"? A console is just a computer in > applicance form. There's nothing magical about it that precludes > simulators from running on it. Richard Burns Rally is just as hardcore > on PC or console.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, least you are a fair spelling checker... > Is it "Console wheels suck"? You do realize that the best consumer > wheel on the market right now (Logitech Driving Force Pro) is for the > Playstation, right? > To you and Fredrickson, Do either of you read what it typed? Proof in your replies? Well, it says no, because although I didnt specify which wheel we had, but I said I had one, which (yeah it would be a stretch for you) implied we have used it, but you knew that you just decided to bash my typing... I said my 10 year old loves the arcade game, albeit in a round about way, after all my point was that I doubt that a "great sim" would be produced nor seem like it, in a playstation or other set-top box... I do not like arcade, I was clear on that one. Sue me again... Does the console have the ability to do a sim? I guess that all depends on you two's idea of sim is, and apparently my opinion comes under scrutiney, after all it is *MY OPINION*, but I digress... Your opinion was not degraded by my statements, however I guess if your view was matching Yahoo's then you somehow felt that you have a right to attack me, based on your opinion. Attack away, I love it.

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> Is it "Consoles are only played by 10 year olds"? Your demographics > info is about 20 years out of date, if it was ever accurate. > > I don't play Gran Turismo, so I can't comment on it's simulation > accuracy. I dont even have a PS2, so I haven't been following Enthusia > closely -- but the few impressions I've read have all been positive. > Check out this video, which demos the physics:

I think many here at (rec.auto.simulators) would probably concur since neither seem to have cockpit view, and since it is my opinion, Im not going to apologise for my view, I find it hard to compare the riding on the hood of the game's car, or behind it 10-15ft the air behind it (by the way ft = feet, I could have used ` instead if that would be easier for you?). I drive *sims* the usuall way in the behind the wheel cockpit mode, like I do everyday in real life driving to work-, so sue me, now that I envy your ability to ride on outside of the car on your way to your baby-sitters house... nice links... > http://streamingmovies.ign.com/ps2/article/545/545628/enthusia_physicscomparison_wmvlow.wmv?wu=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.ps2.gamespy.com%2Fmedia%2F680%2F680537%2Fvid_930317.html%3Fmu%3D%3CURL%2F%3E > > Source: http://media.ps2.gamespy.com/media/680/680537/vids_1.html

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> Eric Tetz enlightened us with: > >> my 10yo kid hates "sims" > > > > You're an adult? Here's hoping English is your second language. :p > > LOL, > > Aren't you kind... > So, grade the content on typo's, fine Mr Tetz... this is usenet, not > english 101. 10yo means 10 Year Old, kinda (oops should be Kind Of) like > ROFLMAO means, oh wait, nevermind your the expert here...

I think you mean "typos" and "you're". Oh bugger you've got me at it now :)

Plowboy wrote: > So, grade the content on typo's, Who said anything about typos? I was talking about the lack of *coherency*. "you should see this game I saw It sucks... my brother Likes it hes 10 ROLFM!!! he doesnt even drive yet anyway this game is for PS2"

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> Does the console have the ability to do a sim? I guess that all > depends on you two's idea of sim is, and apparently my opinion > comes under scrutiney, after all it is *MY OPINION*, but I > digress... Your opinion was not degraded by my statements, > however I guess if your view was matching Yahoo's then you > somehow felt that you have a right to attack me, based on your > opinion.

Again, what the hell is that? I can tell you're pissed at me, but beyond that it's just disjointed babbling. Are you saying simulations *can't* be done on a console? > I drive *sims* the usuall way in the behind the wheel cockpit > mode, like I do everyday in real life driving to work I prefer the cockpit view myself, but plenty of arcade games have cockpit views. What distinguishes an arcade game from a sim is physics.

>> Do either of you read what it typed? Proof in your replies? I do believe they read what you wrote. They have have misunderstood what you wrote, because neither speak pidgin english. If you're going to complain about anothers reading comprehension, you need to write in concise, proper english. Get it?

Not a single in-car shot. Call me non-enthusiastic. -Larry "Plowboy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BK6Pd.37168$2p.18804@lakeread08...

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> http://gamesdomain.yahoo.com/ps2/enthusia_professional_racing/preview/61531 > > Yahoo add, btw for PS2 game, > A quote from the page... > Senior producer Manabu Akita speaks quite forwardly, even in Japanese: His > intention is to introduce the most realistic racing game available, > period... > > </quote> Yeah right Plllllllblblblblblblblb >

No Im not "pissed" I just think it is just like fighting over someone's idea of the shade of "blue"... But, I post my opinion and you fuggers goto town because it was NOT a doctoral thesis... You are funny though because you quote me but apparently cant even cut n paste it from what I posted? I think you posted what you comprehended though? Eric Tetz enlightened us with:

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> Plowboy wrote: >> So, grade the content on typo's, > > Who said anything about typos? I was talking about the lack of > *coherency*. > > "you should see this game I saw It sucks... my brother Likes it hes 10 > ROLFM!!! he doesnt even drive yet anyway this game is for PS2" >

????? ^^^^^^^^ ??????

Plowboy wrote: > You are funny though because you quote me but apparently cant > even cut n paste it from what I posted? No, I was trying to post gibberish like yours. I got close enough for you to recognize it as your own, but I didn't completely nailed it. The grammar, punctuation, and capitalization are all wrong, but it still makes sense. :( Let me try again: "ROLFMAPLO!!! i wus playing this game, but you new That and my bro was Fluff&stuff over the console, but hes 10yo so PS2 has one anyway.... but I digress. so maybe you 'Yahoo' the answer and all that, but LOL, I digress,"

yeah reading newsgroups is too hard for ya... you compare what you wrote, to what I wrote? You're the one who's having to backtrack how fucking stupid he is, "no grammar" is all you say, but in fact I gave you the facts & opinions in as few words as possible. You feel like reading something huge, gramatically correct (and proofread by schollteachers like yourself) Why not try war & peace, for fucks sake. How about this? you take the information I gave, and rewrite it 'perfectly' so I'll know how to do it. I mean hell I raced Motocross, and even though MX unleashed is a pretty dam fun game, i cannot say that it is a simulation, no more than G-T is... last I knew cars (yes we have a wheel for the playstation too) have infinite thottle positions, not ON-OFF! least my car does... same with the steering... But I digress. maybe the next next generation of set-tops will be usable, far cry from what they have now to be sure, would have to be developed... to me the Set tops are too worried about Tunes & fluff, and why not, it isnt like the wheel has decent control of the games, let alone the "joypad" and I guarantee ya, my 10yo kid hates "sims"... but wants all 5 of the games at christmas that are in the top 5, that is the target is it not? Eric Tetz enlightened us with:

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> Plowboy wrote: >> You are funny though because you quote me but apparently cant >> even cut n paste it from what I posted? > > No, I was trying to post gibberish like yours. I got close enough for > you to recognize it as your own, but I didn't completely nailed it. > The grammar, punctuation, and capitalization are all wrong, but it > still makes sense. :( > > Let me try again: > > "ROLFMAPLO!!! i wus playing this game, but you new That and my bro was > Fluff&stuff over the console, but hes 10yo so PS2 has one anyway.... > but I digress. so maybe you 'Yahoo' the answer and all that, but LOL, > I digress,"

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: How about this? you take the information I gave, and : rewrite it 'perfectly' so I'll know how to do it. I could do that if it made any sense. The problem is not your poor spelling, grammar, punctuation, or capitalization, it's your inability to think clearly. You write like a schizophrenic. Cheers. :)