Re: Another GPL newspaper...

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes: >David. (GPLRank handicap: +8.85) Moving up in the world, David? <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue 18 Jul 2000 04:29:15am, J. P. Hovercraft wrote: <snip> >This is why I'm not concerned about cheating at GPLRank...it's just >meaningless. GPL seems to attract drivers and sportsmen (and >sportswomen) for whom the work involved in getting fast is the >point. Precisely. Seeing as the records are held in a standard text file, any one of us could leapfrog above Greger, Wolfgang & co in 30 seconds. Then what would we do? There are some games where cheating is almost expected (look at how many games have cheat codes these days), but GPL ain't one of them. I deperately want to get a negative handicap, but just changine the "+" to a "-" in my sig would mean nothing. >Numbers are meaningless without the struggle to achieve them >by sweat and skill. Especially the sweat... I'm sure I'm not the only person who has to go and change my shirt after a Ring session! -- David. (GPLRank handicap: +8.85) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

So I thought to myself, "I did pretty good at Indy against the AI...why not try another oval?" I picked Bristol at random, skipped practice, started at the back of the grid...and the AI never made it through the first lap! I ran the rest alone and got my first headline, but so what? No fun there, no sense of accomplishment. I kept the screenshot, but 2nd at IMS means a whole lot more as I had the pack right behind me and Clark pulling away in front, i.e. a race. This is why I'm not concerned about cheating at GPLRank...it's just meaningless. GPL seems to attract drivers and sportsmen (and sportswomen) for whom the work involved in getting fast is the point. Numbers are meaningless without the struggle to achieve them by sweat and skill. Stepping down from the pulpit, J. P. Hovercraft

On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:29:15 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>So I thought to myself, "I did pretty good at Indy against the AI...why >not try another oval?" I picked Bristol at random, skipped practice, >started at the back of the grid...and the AI never made it through the >first lap! I ran the rest alone and got my first headline, but so what? >No fun there, no sense of accomplishment. I kept the screenshot, but 2nd >at IMS means a whole lot more as I had the pack right behind me and >Clark pulling away in front, i.e. a race. > >This is why I'm not concerned about cheating at GPLRank...it's just >meaningless. GPL seems to attract drivers and sportsmen (and >sportswomen) for whom the work involved in getting fast is the point. >Numbers are meaningless without the struggle to achieve them by sweat >and skill. > >Stepping down from the pulpit, > >J. P. Hovercraft

... The ovals converted with Dave's Oval Converter don't "have any ai" ... They are made for mulitplayer only. The lp's are there so the tracks are usable but the cars wont race... I'd love to have some "real" ai for Talladega

On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:29:15 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>So I thought to myself, "I did pretty good at Indy against the AI...why >not try another oval?" I picked Bristol at random, skipped practice, >started at the back of the grid...and the AI never made it through the >first lap! I ran the rest alone and got my first headline, but so what? >No fun there, no sense of accomplishment. I kept the screenshot, but 2nd >at IMS means a whole lot more as I had the pack right behind me and >Clark pulling away in front, i.e. a race.

Only tracks converted with the full version of the converter have a good AI. Bristol is converted with the demo version, and doesn't have a working AI. I expected that the full version would also convert the track from the demo version with a good AI, I was a little bit surprised and disappointed that that wasn't the case. Andre

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>This is why I'm not concerned about cheating at GPLRank...it's just >meaningless. GPL seems to attract drivers and sportsmen (and >sportswomen) for whom the work involved in getting fast is the point. >Numbers are meaningless without the struggle to achieve them by sweat >and skill. > >Stepping down from the pulpit, > >J. P. Hovercraft >

Yeah, I'm almost sure I converted it using the retail converter. I guess it's the first time I've tried an AI race on an oval other than IMS. The AI seems to work there just fine. Maybe I'll run the converter again, just to be sure. J. P. Hoverraft Andre Warringa wrote:

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> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:29:15 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >So I thought to myself, "I did pretty good at Indy against the AI...why > >not try another oval?" I picked Bristol at random, skipped practice, > >started at the back of the grid...and the AI never made it through the > >first lap! I ran the rest alone and got my first headline, but so what? > >No fun there, no sense of accomplishment. I kept the screenshot, but 2nd > >at IMS means a whole lot more as I had the pack right behind me and > >Clark pulling away in front, i.e. a race. > > Only tracks converted with the full version of the converter have a > good AI. Bristol is converted with the demo version, and doesn't have > a working AI. I expected that the full version would also convert the > track from the demo version with a good AI, I was a little bit > surprised and disappointed that that wasn't the case. > > Andre > > >This is why I'm not concerned about cheating at GPLRank...it's just > >meaningless. GPL seems to attract drivers and sportsmen (and > >sportswomen) for whom the work involved in getting fast is the point. > >Numbers are meaningless without the struggle to achieve them by sweat > >and skill. > > > >Stepping down from the pulpit, > > > >J. P. Hovercraft > >

"David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue 18 Jul 2000 04:29:15am, J. P. Hovercraft wrote: > > <snip> > >This is why I'm not concerned about cheating at GPLRank...it's just > >meaningless. GPL seems to attract drivers and sportsmen (and > >sportswomen) for whom the work involved in getting fast is the > >point. > > Precisely. Seeing as the records are held in a standard text file, any > one of us could leapfrog above Greger, Wolfgang & co in 30 seconds. > Then what would we do? There are some games where cheating is almost > expected (look at how many games have cheat codes these days), but GPL > ain't one of them. I deperately want to get a negative handicap, but > just changine the "+" to a "-" in my sig would mean nothing. > > >Numbers are meaningless without the struggle to achieve them > >by sweat and skill. > > Especially the sweat... I'm sure I'm not the only person who has to go > and change my shirt after a Ring session! > > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: +8.85) > "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, > really." > (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

After most qualifying sessions the host usually asks something like," Anyone have to take a pee break before we race?" After a qualifying session at the ring the question is just as likely to be, "Anyone have to go soak their head before we race?" Now GPL may only be a game, but so is football. GPL is ALSO a legimate sport. If you don't believe me try to take pole at the ring against a class field. Then go soak your head.

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:29:15 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >So I thought to myself, "I did pretty good at Indy against the AI...why > >not try another oval?" I picked Bristol at random, skipped practice, > >started at the back of the grid...and the AI never made it through the > >first lap! I ran the rest alone and got my first headline, but so what? > >No fun there, no sense of accomplishment. I kept the screenshot, but 2nd > >at IMS means a whole lot more as I had the pack right behind me and > >Clark pulling away in front, i.e. a race. > > Only tracks converted with the full version of the converter have a > good AI. Bristol is converted with the demo version, and doesn't have > a working AI. I expected that the full version would also convert the > track from the demo version with a good AI, I was a little bit > surprised and disappointed that that wasn't the case. > > Andre

Well, it's the eternal paradox of the user expansion crowd. Do you want more add ons, or do you want the existing tidied up a bit? Time is limited, can't have both. AI at Bristol would have come at the expense of Imola. Still, I hope the time comes when people can go back over the tracks we already have and polish them until they gleam like chrome in the sun. Come to think of it, I wish Papy would do the same for GPL.

On Tue 18 Jul 2000 09:24:44pm, EldredP wrote: >In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (David Buttery) writes: > >>David. (GPLRank handicap: +8.85) > >Moving up in the world, David?<snip> Yep :-) Nearly there now - a little bit more at Kyalami, Mexico, Monaco and Zandvoort should do it. Ringtrainer has worked wonders (get it now, folks, if you haven't already) - my improvement is almost entirely down to that (plus a reasonable Lotus setup at last). -- David. (GPLRank handicap: +2.68) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes:

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>On Tue 18 Jul 2000 09:24:44pm, EldredP wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, >>[email hidden] (David Buttery) writes: >> >>>David. (GPLRank handicap: +8.85) >> >>Moving up in the world, David? ><snip> > >Yep :-) Nearly there now - a little bit more at Kyalami, Mexico, Monaco >and Zandvoort should do it. Ringtrainer has worked wonders (get it now, >folks, if you haven't already) - my improvement is almost entirely down >to that (plus a reasonable Lotus setup at last). >

I should be at '0' in about...like, NEVER. <g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

How do you get the retail converter... I'm interested. Thanks in advance... "J. P. Hovercraft" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yeah, I'm almost sure I converted it using the retail converter. I guessit's > the first time I've tried an AI race on an oval other than IMS. The AIseems > to work there just fine. Maybe I'll run the converter again, just to besure.

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> > J. P. Hoverraft > > Andre Warringa wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:29:15 GMT, "J. P. Hovercraft" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >So I thought to myself, "I did pretty good at Indy against the AI...why > > >not try another oval?" I picked Bristol at random, skipped practice, > > >started at the back of the grid...and the AI never made it through the > > >first lap! I ran the rest alone and got my first headline, but so what? > > >No fun there, no sense of accomplishment. I kept the screenshot, but

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> > >at IMS means a whole lot more as I had the pack right behind me and > > >Clark pulling away in front, i.e. a race. > > > > Only tracks converted with the full version of the converter have a > > good AI. Bristol is converted with the demo version, and doesn't have > > a working AI. I expected that the full version would also convert the > > track from the demo version with a good AI, I was a little bit > > surprised and disappointed that that wasn't the case. > > > > Andre > > > > >This is why I'm not concerned about cheating at GPLRank...it's just > > >meaningless. GPL seems to attract drivers and sportsmen (and > > >sportswomen) for whom the work involved in getting fast is the point. > > >Numbers are meaningless without the struggle to achieve them by sweat > > >and skill. > > > > > >Stepping down from the pulpit, > > > > > >J. P. Hovercraft > > > > >

Tom Quick wrote in message ... >How do you get the retail converter... I'm interested. Here you go: http://www.sim-garage.co.uk Bendito;