Re: Please sign the "Grand Prix Legends" petition!

Uwe Schuerkamp wrote:

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> > Hi folks, > > "Grand Prix Legends" by Papyrus (http://www.papy.com/) is arguably > the best windows-only racing simulation available to date. Even > though it is more than two years old no other racing simulation has > yet managed to match the depth of the car physics available with > GPL, or the pure excitement when racing human opponents over the > internet. > > Because of this a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add > greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it > should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing > out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, maybe adding a > couple of features here and there in the process and releasing it as > GPLII.

Although I support your cause, I can't really see it happening... GPL sold poorly as a windows game, and I doubt Sierra will see much profit in porting it to linux. As for giving the source to someone else I doubt that too as the physics engine is still the class of the field and will be used in Nascar4 and probably several other Sierra/Papy sims in the future, and they don't want to give away the source to that... Why not try to get a linux port of World Sport Cars? I think that has more chance of success, as West has shown interest in porting it to other formats. BTW you don't increase the credibility of the petition by signing it several times yourself... -- Arne Martin

Hi folks, "Grand Prix Legends" by Papyrus (http://www.papy.com/) is arguably the best windows-only racing simulation available to date. Even though it is more than two years old no other racing simulation has yet managed to match the depth of the car physics available with GPL, or the pure excitement when racing human opponents over the internet. Because of this a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, maybe adding a couple of features here and there in the process and releasing it as GPLII. If you would like to see a great racing simulation for the Linux platform please point your browser to http://www.schuerkamp.de/cgi-bin/sign.cgi?function=list and add your name to 300+ signers to date. Thanks in advance for your time, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de for direct mail (from: is spambox) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

[email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes: > Because of this a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add > greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; Does it run using wine? I've played a few windows games successfully with it now. -- Richard Watson email: [email hidden] Pentagon Web Design Ltd Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282 Reading UK Reg. Linux User 183315 ICQ: 65274884

In comp.os.linux.misc Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote: > Bruce, > I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! Nahhh. Compared to M$ users, we're the sane ones... -- ______________________________________________________________________________ | [email hidden] | "I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and | | in | get out the puncture repair kit!" | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bruce Kennewell wrote: > > No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day become > the pre-eminent operating system. > > They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. Ah. that's very nice Bruce, don't just piss off the Linux people, but the Mac people as well! Now just let's sit down and watch the flames, because we'll be stuck with this thread for a long time now :-) -- Arne Martin

Gotta hand it to Bruce... he discriminates equally. ;-) Jan./6am in Aussieland, couple of hours to make my getaway before he reads this.<g> =--- Arne Martin wrote...

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> <snip> > Ah. that's very nice Bruce, don't just piss off the > Linux people, but the Mac people as well! Now just > let's sit down and watch the flames, because we'll > be stuck with this thread for a long time now :-) > > -- > Arne Martin

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:07:57 GMT, Jon Beckett <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add >>greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it >>should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing >>out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, > >Do you *know* what's involved in writing a piece of software? > >Depending on how much they re-wrote it to suit DirectX for version >1.2, you may be wasting your time.

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> In comp.os.linux.misc Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Bruce, > > > I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! > > Nahhh. Compared to M$ users, we're the sane ones... >

im thinking of setting up a 12 step program to help ween win users into linux... sound like an idea? :) -- the agent of the X [email hidden]

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> <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> In comp.os.linux.misc Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote: >> > Bruce, >> >> > I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! >> >> Nahhh. Compared to M$ users, we're the sane ones... >> > im thinking of setting up a 12 step program to help ween win users into > linux... sound like an idea? :)

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Who gives a shit? Why would we want Papy to port it to linux? Yes, I have a server running Red Hat, but it just makes no sense to port it. And especially with the poor sale for windows, bringing it linux isn't going to do any better. And yet, you think people would actually switch to linux if it ran ebtter? Cause i know I woudln't "Liutger Franzen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Unix (Solaris, FreeBSD, HPUX, ..., even Linux) is a better server OS, > > but so what? GPL isn't exactly a server application.. > > but I'd love to have a server-only version for unix. should be much > easier to administrate than the full game in server-mode on a bloody > win-machine ... I used to run 3 quakeworld-servers 24/7 on a p200/64mb > linux for over a year with just 2 reboots: stress-free remote > administration actually :-) > > Lio

>a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add >greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it >should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing >out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, Do you *know* what's involved in writing a piece of software? Depending on how much they re-wrote it to suit DirectX for version 1.2, you may be wasting your time. It's a bit like saying "the space shuttle is very nice, but can you make one the shape of a chair that still does the same thing?" Jonathan Beckett [email hidden] www.btinternet.com/~jonbeckett

Hmmm, hope you don't mind me saying this Gordon, but IMO you're running behind the times. Linux and BeOS pee on Win98 as a desktop OS, but the problem is that's sort of it. They're very powerfull and performant OS's, but don't get support from major hardware/software developers, so there's a shortage of drivers and well rounder applications for them. Linux is getting there though, if MS isn't worried yet, they should be. Jan. =--- Gordon McLachlan wrote...

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> Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. > It is useful as a web server OS, but other than that > it is an oddity, much like those who hype it > excessively. > > Regards, > Gordon > > <snip>

"G-Loc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vdud5.6744$[email hidden]... > Linux? Is he a member of Charles M. Schultz's Peanuts gang?its linus' evil twin... bwah hah hah -- the agent of the X [email hidden]

> Unix (Solaris, FreeBSD, HPUX, ..., even Linux) is a better server OS, > but so what? GPL isn't exactly a server application.. but I'd love to have a server-only version for unix. should be much easier to administrate than the full game in server-mode on a bloody win-machine ... I used to run 3 quakeworld-servers 24/7 on a p200/64mb linux for over a year with just 2 reboots: stress-free remote administration actually :-) Lio

Ello, Not that I mean to be bring you down, but if you dig GPL so much why not install W98 instead of petitioning Papyrus to port GPL to Linux. Why make them work on an already done project when you can enjoy the game on your system by simply installing W98. Buy a bigger drive and dual boot. So it cost you a few bills, it would cost Papyrus at least 10,000 times the bills to port GPL to Linux, and fer what ??? How many copies could they really sell ??? I really like the Linux evangelism, but if you want to play windows games, then buy windows and shut the fuck up !!! Regards and take care, Toller On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:01:20 +0200, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote:

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> >Hi folks, > >"Grand Prix Legends" by Papyrus (http://www.papy.com/) is arguably >the best windows-only racing simulation available to date. Even >though it is more than two years old no other racing simulation has >yet managed to match the depth of the car physics available with >GPL, or the pure excitement when racing human opponents over the >internet. > >Because of this a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add >greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it >should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing >out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, maybe adding a >couple of features here and there in the process and releasing it as >GPLII. > >If you would like to see a great racing simulation for the Linux >platform please point your browser to > >http://www.schuerkamp.de/cgi-bin/sign.cgi?function=list > >and add your name to 300+ signers to date. > >Thanks in advance for your time, > >Uwe

Linux? Is he a member of Charles M. Schultz's Peanuts gang? Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Hi folks, > > "Grand Prix Legends" by Papyrus (http://www.papy.com/) is arguably > the best windows-only racing simulation available to date. Even > though it is more than two years old no other racing simulation has > yet managed to match the depth of the car physics available with > GPL, or the pure excitement when racing human opponents over the > internet. > > Because of this a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add > greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it > should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing > out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, maybe adding a > couple of features here and there in the process and releasing it as > GPLII. > > If you would like to see a great racing simulation for the Linux > platform please point your browser to > > http://www.schuerkamp.de/cgi-bin/sign.cgi?function=list > > and add your name to 300+ signers to date. > > Thanks in advance for your time, > > Uwe > > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de for direct mail (from: is spambox) > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. It is useful as a web server OS, but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it excessively. Regards, Gordon "Uwe Schuerkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Hi folks, > > "Grand Prix Legends" by Papyrus (http://www.papy.com/) is arguably > the best windows-only racing simulation available to date. Even > though it is more than two years old no other racing simulation has > yet managed to match the depth of the car physics available with > GPL, or the pure excitement when racing human opponents over the > internet. > > Because of this a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add > greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it > should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing > out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, maybe adding a > couple of features here and there in the process and releasing it as > GPLII. > > If you would like to see a great racing simulation for the Linux > platform please point your browser to > > http://www.schuerkamp.de/cgi-bin/sign.cgi?function=list > > and add your name to 300+ signers to date. > > Thanks in advance for your time, > > Uwe > > -- > Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de for direct mail (from: is spambox) > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

LOL TV.. u just don't get it.... Linux is a better server OS, which is all that the petition is really about me thinks... UWE already has w98 and races GPL Martyn_D TV wrote:

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> Ello, > > Not that I mean to be bring you down, but if you dig GPL so much why > not install W98 instead of petitioning Papyrus to port GPL to Linux. > Why make them work on an already done project when you can enjoy the > game on your system by simply installing W98. Buy a bigger drive and > dual boot. So it cost you a few bills, it would cost Papyrus at least > 10,000 times the bills to port GPL to Linux, and fer what ??? How many > copies could they really sell ??? I really like the Linux evangelism, > but if you want to play windows games, then buy windows and shut the > fuck up !!! > > Regards and take care, > > Toller > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:01:20 +0200, > [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) wrote: > > > > >Hi folks, > > > >"Grand Prix Legends" by Papyrus (http://www.papy.com/) is arguably > >the best windows-only racing simulation available to date. Even > >though it is more than two years old no other racing simulation has > >yet managed to match the depth of the car physics available with > >GPL, or the pure excitement when racing human opponents over the > >internet. > > > >Because of this a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add > >greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it > >should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing > >out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, maybe adding a > >couple of features here and there in the process and releasing it as > >GPLII. > > > >If you would like to see a great racing simulation for the Linux > >platform please point your browser to > > > >http://www.schuerkamp.de/cgi-bin/sign.cgi?function=list > > > >and add your name to 300+ signers to date. > > > >Thanks in advance for your time, > > > >Uwe

"Gordon McLachlan" <[email hidden]> writes: > Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. It is useful as a web > server OS, How little you know. Only web server? What about mail, news, print or anything else server you want? > but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it > excessively. Bah. Are you trolling or something? While I disagree with any kind of hype to say that it's not an "acceptable desktop operating system" just isn't true. If it were true how would I manage to run my company with it? In your infinite wisdom you might like to enlighten me on what I'm missing out on. -- Richard Watson email: [email hidden] Pentagon Web Design Ltd Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282 Reading UK Reg. Linux User 183315 ICQ: 65274884

SKurj <[email hidden]> writes: > LOL TV.. u just don't get it.... > > Linux is a better server OS, which is all that the petition is really > about me thinks... Unix (Solaris, FreeBSD, HPUX, ..., even Linux) is a better server OS, but so what? GPL isn't exactly a server application.. Despite being a Unix fanatic (more or less) since 15+ years, I'd rather see more improvements in the Windows GPL than have it ported to another OS. _ Mats Lofkvist [email hidden]

Bruce, I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! One wrong word about that 'L' OS and they could arrive at your door with big sticks :) Tread Carefully......I am scared even typing this ;) Ash | No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one daybecome

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| the pre-eminent operating system. | | They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. | | -- | Regards, | Bruce Kennewell, | Canberra, Australia. | ---------------------------

[email hidden] <Richard Watson> wrote: > >> but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it >> excessively. >Bah. Are you trolling or something? No, he's been crossposted to. Let's pack this in. Anyone wants a flamewar, meet out the back of alt.os.linux after work.. -- Rasputin. Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns.

Well, i see great future on a server-only linux GPL version, but as long as there will not Force Feedback under Linux i'll never play a linux-GPL. -- Sebastien Tixier Susuki 650 SVS - Half Driving Licence (MagicFr) GPLRank handicap -24.43 Game Developper personal : http://magicfr.multimania.com company : http://www.eden-studios.fr

[email hidden] (Jon Beckett) writes:

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> Do you *know* what's involved in writing a piece of software? > > Depending on how much they re-wrote it to suit DirectX for version > 1.2, you may be wasting your time. > > It's a bit like saying "the space shuttle is very nice, but can you > make one the shape of a chair that still does the same thing?"

Not entirely when the set of wine APIs is already available. Besides AIUI quite a lot of games software development is done across platforms with shared libraries etc being used. Of course I have no idea whether or not this is true of the game in question. -- Richard Watson email: [email hidden] Pentagon Web Design Ltd Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282 Reading UK Reg. Linux User 183315 ICQ: 65274884

eeeeeeek :) *Locking Doors and closing shutters now* Ash :) Anthony Bulloch <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:13:29 +0100, "Ashley McConnell" | <[email hidden]> wrote: | | >Bruce, | > | >I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts!One

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| >wrong word about that 'L' OS and they could arrive at your door with big | >sticks :) | > | >Tread Carefully......I am scared even typing this ;) | > | | We already know who you are, there is no point hiding ;) | | AB

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:52 +1000, Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote: >No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day become >the pre-eminent operating system. >They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. I'm nothing like a Mac owner. Those kooks couldn't find their arse with both hands!

[email hidden] (Homer Jay) writes:

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> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:52 +1000, Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day become > >the pre-eminent operating system. > >They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. > >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. > > I'm nothing like a Mac owner. Those kooks couldn't find their arse > with both hands!

What about those who run linux on Macs? ;8) ~Tim -- | Geek Code: GCS dpu s-:+ a-- C++++ UBLUAVHSC++++ P+++ L++ E--- W+++(--) N++ | w--- O- M-- V-- PS PGP++ t--- X+(-) b D+ G e++(*) h++(*) r--- y- | The sun is melting over the hills, | http://piglet.is.dreaming.org/ | All our roads are waiting / To be revealed | [email hidden]

On 20 Jul 2000 17:23:46 +0100, Tim Haynes <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>[email hidden] (Homer Jay) writes: > >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:52 +1000, <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day become >> >the pre-eminent operating system. >> >They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. >> >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >> >> I'm nothing like a Mac owner. Those kooks couldn't find their arse >> with both hands! > >What about those who run linux on Macs? ;8) >~Tim

Well, *maybe* if they run linux most of the time. Maybe. But why bother? There's more and better hardware support on i386. Macs cost more for the same performance that can be had for less with Alpha, Intel, AMD, etc. Therefore: mac owner=kook with a "*dreamy* blueberry" computer case. Oh, the flames I'm going to get.... ;)

On 20 Jul 2000 16:27:52 GMT, William Burrow <[email hidden]> wrote: >With Pentium crushing dual G4 machines like Apple will soon be releasing >(in August, I believe), there may well be a few Linux people become Mac >owners. Running Linux on PPC, of course. >http://www.apple.com Since "Pentium [is] crushing dual G4 machines", I would think that no one would be buying an apple. And, don't you think people can locate the Apple Computer Corporatation, Inc. (Tool of Evil) site themselves? But seriously, they could buy one of those PPC boxes from IBM, right? But, then they wouldn't get that cooool logo and creamy dream vanilla case.

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>On 20 Jul 2000 17:23:46 +0100, Tim Haynes <[email hidden]> wrote: >>[email hidden] (Homer Jay) writes: >> >>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:52 +1000, <[email hidden]> wrote: >>> >No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day become >>> >the pre-eminent operating system. >>> >They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. >>> >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >>> >>> I'm nothing like a Mac owner. Those kooks couldn't find their arse >>> with both hands! >> >>What about those who run linux on Macs? ;8) >~Tim > >Well, *maybe* if they run linux most of the time. Maybe. But why bother? >There's more and better hardware support on i386. Macs cost more for the >same performance that can be had for less with Alpha, Intel, AMD, etc. >Therefore: mac owner=kook with a "*dreamy* blueberry" computer case. Oh, >the flames I'm going to get.... ;)

It's easy (or so I've read) to run MacOS apps under Linux on a Mac. That gives Linux/Mac users access to some pretty decent apps. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I had a lease on an at OEDIPUS COMPLEX back in visi.com '81...

[email hidden] (Homer Jay) writes: > Well, *maybe* if they run linux most of the time. Maybe. But why > bother? Well I'd like one ;-) > There's more and better hardware support on i386. Macs cost more for the > same performance that can be had for less with Alpha, Intel, AMD, etc. > Therefore: mac owner=kook with a "*dreamy* blueberry" computer case. Oh, > the flames I'm going to get.... ;) Well you deserve them since you are quite clearly clueless. -- Richard Watson email: [email hidden] Pentagon Web Design Ltd Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282 Reading UK Reg. Linux User 183315 ICQ: 65274884

Gordon McLachlan wrote: > > Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. It is useful as a web > server OS, but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it > excessively. So to you an acceptable OS is one that tries to do too much for you (Let ME choose the drivers once in a while!!!!!!), that necessitates rebooting every few hours of use, piles up loads and loads of useless and system-slowing crap files, and never really has been close to stable??? You don't expect to have to restart your car after a few hours of driving, or for the car to decide it wants to take a longer slower way when you know a faster one, or the car to slow down dramatically after a few months of use...why do people accept that in their computers??? Kirk Lane [email hidden]

Gordon McLachlan wrote: > > Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. It is useful as a web > server OS, but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it > excessively. Oooo boy.. Is this thread going to get long.. My PC is 100% Windowless.. up 9 days, 4hrs 35 mins (at time of posting) I run it as a straight workstation and I do everything on it that I did in Windows. To me, it is perfectly acceptable. Granted, it isn't for everybody, but it is *moving* in the right direction. I doubt it will ever become the predominant operating system, but I like the idea that it will be a viable alternative. Supporters of the Microsoft monopoly fail to see the advantages that can be realized with open market competition. It can keep prices low and force the software makers to provide a better product. When (or if) Linux or Mac or BSD or Unix or someone takes a strong foothold in the OS market, it will be a very good thing for Microsoft users. Jim

No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day become the pre-eminent operating system. They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- G-Loc <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vdud5.6744$[email hidden]... > Linux? Is he a member of Charles M. Schultz's Peanuts gang? > > Uwe Schuerkamp <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Hi folks, > > > > "Grand Prix Legends" by Papyrus (http://www.papy.com/) is arguably > > the best windows-only racing simulation available to date. Even > > though it is more than two years old no other racing simulation has > > yet managed to match the depth of the car physics available with > > GPL, or the pure excitement when racing human opponents over the > > internet. > > > > Because of this a Linux port of "Grand Prix Legends" would add > > greatly to the ever growing portfolio of Linux games; at its age it > > should not be too hard to persuade Sierra / Papy into maybe handing > > out the port to some third party like Lokisoft, maybe adding a > > couple of features here and there in the process and releasing it as > > GPLII. > > > > If you would like to see a great racing simulation for the Linux > > platform please point your browser to > > > > http://www.schuerkamp.de/cgi-bin/sign.cgi?function=list > > > > and add your name to 300+ signers to date. > > > > Thanks in advance for your time, > > > > Uwe > > > > -- > > Uwe Schuerkamp http://www.schuerkamp.de/ > > uwe.schuerkamp at telemedia.de for direct mail (from: is spambox) > > PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61 > >

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:44:50 +1000, Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>news:[email hidden]... >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:52 +1000, <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. >> >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >Homer Jay <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> I'm nothing like a Mac owner. Those kooks couldn't find their arse >> with both hands! > >Read the analogy again.

Socrates (SOH-crates) said that an analogy is valid only if the two things being compared are similar (and also, "Party on Bill and Ted!") Ok, Mac owners are devoted, yes, but to what? A silly money making scheme. Wheee! I'm using a computer that looks like a *toaster*! It's sooo kewl that I didn't mind paying more. Now I'm gonna jam on down to the Kwikee Mart in my new VW Bug and buy some Frutopia! (But, hey, the desktop publishing thing is pretty good, I'll admit.) Yet, I feel... strangely... *obliged* to restate my epithet that Mac owners are kooky. :) Ok, I'll pipe down now, after... --kook n. (US slang) crazy or eccentric person (see also: MacExpo attendee) "Me lose brain? Hah hah hah. Why I laugh?" --Homer Jay

"Gordon McLachlan" <[email hidden]> writes: ' Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. It is useful as a web ' server OS, but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it ' excessively. So why have I been using an unacceptable desktop operating system these past two years? I must be one of those oddities. Beats being normal. -- David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am NRA Member | a hoploholic. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own --- Devon Miller

> do any better. And yet, you think people would actually switch to linux if > it ran ebtter? Cause i know I woudln't I would immediately switch our server to linux if a linux-server-version of GPL would be available, but I don't demand it. on the other hand, I don't care that my "main" machine at home is a win98 for nothing but games and internet ... that way, I give a shit, as you said ;-) Lio

"William Burrow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:58:20 -0600, > Homer Jay <[email hidden]> wrote: > >On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:52 +1000, Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]>wrote: > >>No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one daybecome

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> >>the pre-eminent operating system. > >>They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. > > > >I'm nothing like a Mac owner. Those kooks couldn't find their arse > >with both hands! > > With Pentium crushing dual G4 machines like Apple will soon be releasing > (in August, I believe), there may well be a few Linux people become Mac > owners. Running Linux on PPC, of course. > > http://www.apple.com > >

And although I place it second to performance, the aesthetics of the newest G4 "Cube" are a real selling point. It is simply cool. Stephen

Andrew Halliwell writes: > I think you'd need a kidnap and deprogramming regime to defeat the kult > of Bill... No. Just keep on keeping on. In a few years most of these "Linux will never be any good for X" types will be telling anyone who will stand still all about how they knew Linux would "win" all along. -- John Hasler [email hidden] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin

Jim Townsend <[email hidden]> writes: > My PC is 100% Windowless.. up 9 days, 4hrs 35 mins (at time of posting) > I run it as a straight workstation and I do everything on it that I did > in Windows. To me, it is perfectly acceptable. OK, well if we're showing off: reed: 02:15am up 36 days, 15:36, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.01 marineband: 02:14am up 75 days, 8:24, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 marineband is cheating slightly because it's only a firewall/gateway, but reed is a workstation. -- Richard Watson email: [email hidden] Pentagon Web Design Ltd Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282 Reading UK Reg. Linux User 183315 ICQ: 65274884

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> > Ello, > > Not that I mean to be bring you down, but if you dig GPL so much why > not install W98 instead of petitioning Papyrus to port GPL to Linux. > Why make them work on an already done project when you can enjoy the > game on your system by simply installing W98.

I do. Because I *have no other choice*. > I really like the Linux evangelism, > but if you want to play windows games, then buy windows and shut the > fuck up !!! No, *YOU'RE* the one specifying windoze here. We wanna play games, & quality games. But we'd much prefer they run on a basically bullet-proof, practically crash-proof quality OS. Not the bandaided POS OS from M$. So *you* STF up. Thinking like yours is what keeps people trapped in M$ hell. The more quality apps & games that get ported over, the sooner we can totally dump Bill & his steaming pile of an OS. cd /dev/mind ls -l Just as I suspected....empty partition. ;-) -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

"Mark F." wrote: > > Who gives a shit? Why would we want Papy to port it to linux? Yes, I have > a server running Red Hat, but it just makes no sense to port it. And > especially with the poor sale for windows, bringing it linux isn't going to > do any better. And yet, you think people would actually switch to linux if > it ran ebtter? Cause i know I woudln't More like it'd be one less reason to ever have to boot back into windoze again, you mean. ;-) -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

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> > Bruce, > > I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! One > wrong word about that 'L' OS and they could arrive at your door with big > sticks :) > > Tread Carefully......I am scared even typing this ;) > > Ash

Be afraid. Be Very Afraid. Did you even realize this is cross-posted to 2 Linux newsgroups? ;-) -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

S�bastien Tixier wrote: > > Well, i see great future on a server-only linux GPL version, but as long > as there will not Force Feedback under Linux i'll never play a > linux-GPL. Logitech has already released Linux drivers for it's LWFF wheel. And the 2.4 kernel will have USB support, so I hear. Now we just need a port of GPL. Life is *good*... -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

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> > Jim Townsend <[email hidden]> writes: > > > My PC is 100% Windowless.. up 9 days, 4hrs 35 mins (at time of posting) > OK, well if we're showing off: > > reed: 02:15am up 36 days, 15:36, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.01 > marineband: 02:14am up 75 days, 8:24, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00

I am humbled... But give me a couple of months ;-) Jim.

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>Bruce, > >I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! One >wrong word about that 'L' OS and they could arrive at your door with big >sticks :) > >Tread Carefully......I am scared even typing this ;) >

We already know who you are, there is no point hiding ;) AB

Jeez, Ashley. Now you've got me looking over my shoulder. I KNEW I shouldn't have watched "Conspiracy Theory" on Sunday night! -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8l6muf$gk7$[email hidden]... > Bruce, > > I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! One > wrong word about that 'L' OS and they could arrive at your door with big > sticks :) > > Tread Carefully......I am scared even typing this ;) > > Ash > > > | No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day > become > | the pre-eminent operating system. > | > | They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. > | > | -- > | Regards, > | Bruce Kennewell, > | Canberra, Australia. > | --------------------------- > > >

Well, i have a MS FF Wheel, i don't think there will be Linux driver :o( Uncle Fester wrote:

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> S�bastien Tixier wrote: > > > > Well, i see great future on a server-only linux GPL version, but as long > > as there will not Force Feedback under Linux i'll never play a > > linux-GPL. > > Logitech has already released Linux drivers for it's LWFF wheel. And > the 2.4 kernel will have USB support, so I hear. Now we just need a > port of GPL. Life is *good*... > > -- > Chuck Kandler > > A man is no less a Slave just because he is > allowed to choose a new Master every four years. > > Registered Linux User #180746 > http://counter.li.org

-- Sebastien Tixier Susuki 650 SVS - Half Driving Licence (MagicFr) GPLRank handicap -24.43 Game Developper personal : http://magicfr.multimania.com company : http://www.eden-studios.fr

Yeah, but religious zealots are kooks. On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:15:36 +1000, Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>(Sigh) >Okay.... >"They are like religious zealots: very, very devoted to their cause". >That better? >-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. > >> Socrates (SOH-crates) said that an analogy is valid only if the two things >> being compared are similar (and also, "Party on Bill and Ted!") Ok, Mac >> owners are devoted, yes, but to what? A silly money making scheme. Wheee! >> I'm using a computer that looks like a *toaster*! It's sooo kewl that >> I didn't mind paying more. Now I'm gonna jam on down to the Kwikee Mart >> in my new VW Bug and buy some Frutopia! (But, hey, the desktop publishing >> thing is pretty good, I'll admit.) Yet, I feel... strangely... *obliged* >> to restate my epithet that Mac owners are kooky. :) Ok, I'll pipe down >> now, after... >> --kook n. (US slang) crazy or eccentric person (see also: MacExpo >attendee) >> "Me lose brain? Hah hah hah. Why I laugh?" --Homer Jay

S�bastien Tixier wrote: > > Well, i have a MS FF Wheel, i don't think there will be Linux driver :o( > I'd almost bet the farm on it. ;-) -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Read the analogy again. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Homer Jay <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:52 +1000, Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote: > >No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day become > >the pre-eminent operating system. > >They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. > >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. > > I'm nothing like a Mac owner. Those kooks couldn't find their arse > with both hands!

(Sigh) Okay.... "They are like religious zealots: very, very devoted to their cause". That better? -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Homer Jay <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:44:50 +1000, Bruce Kennewell <[email hidden]> wrote: > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:40:52 +1000, <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> >They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. > >> >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. > > >Homer Jay <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> I'm nothing like a Mac owner. Those kooks couldn't find their arse > >> with both hands! > > > >Read the analogy again. > > Socrates (SOH-crates) said that an analogy is valid only if the two things > being compared are similar (and also, "Party on Bill and Ted!") Ok, Mac > owners are devoted, yes, but to what? A silly money making scheme. Wheee! > I'm using a computer that looks like a *toaster*! It's sooo kewl that > I didn't mind paying more. Now I'm gonna jam on down to the Kwikee Mart > in my new VW Bug and buy some Frutopia! (But, hey, the desktop publishing > thing is pretty good, I'll admit.) Yet, I feel... strangely... *obliged* > to restate my epithet that Mac owners are kooky. :) Ok, I'll pipe down > now, after... > --kook n. (US slang) crazy or eccentric person (see also: MacExpo attendee) > "Me lose brain? Hah hah hah. Why I laugh?" --Homer Jay

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >cd /dev/mind >ls -l > > >Just as I suspected....empty partition. ;-) > Ouch...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (William Burrow) writes: >With Pentium crushing dual G4 machines like Apple will soon be releasing >(in August, I believe), there may well be a few Linux people become Mac >owners. Running Linux on PPC, of course. > An exactly HOW much will that cost? For the same price, I could probably buy THREE Athlon systems, and have my racing network all set...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Jim Townsend <[email hidden]> writes: >My PC is 100% Windowless.. up 9 days, 4hrs 35 mins (at time of posting) >I run it as a straight workstation and I do everything on it that I did >in Windows. To me, it is perfectly acceptable. I don't understand why Linux people keep mentioning how long their system has been up. I could leave my home computer on all the time, but I don't want to waste energy. My computer at work(win95) stays on all the time, so I could say the same thing. What's the benefit? Just curious. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In comp.os.linux.misc FDA <[email hidden]> wrote: > If they do not, they should not run Linux as well. I have always > been surprised to see my disk drives lights go wild for many > minutes, while the console was terribly slowed down, when > I was not doing anything special. That was because the computer was doing something special... It's called a cron job... If you don't want it to do these housekeeping things when you're using the machine, set the cron jobs for the middle of the night. -- ______________________________________________________________________________ | [email hidden] | "I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and | | in | get out the puncture repair kit!" | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article <[email hidden]>, Tim Lyth <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Probably because they don't realise that their computer has slowed down so >much >as it is a gradual thing. Also, they probably can't be bothered installing >and >using a decent OS like Linux because they don't realise just how much >software >there is out there to download of the net for nothing. >

Which sounds like an answer to one of my other posts. What would I run once I *loaded* linux? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> >> writes: >> >> >cd /dev/mind >> >ls -l >> > >> > >> >Just as I suspected....empty partition. ;-) >> > >> >> Ouch...<g> > > >Hehehe. I suspected this one would go over most heads.

I took a UNIX class last year, so I'm at least familiar with most of the terminology...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> I don't understand why Linux people keep mentioning how long their system >has >> been up. I could leave my home computer on all the time, but I don't want >to >> waste energy. My computer at work(win95) stays on all the time, so I could >say >> the same thing. What's the benefit? >> Just curious. > > >If it's Win95a, I guarantee it won't go more than 45 days straight >running time without a reboot. It'll crash. Memory leak, and M$ knows >about it. I don't have the knowledge base ref# handy, but it's >documented on M$ site. >

Win 95B I *do* have a copy of Red Hat 5, but I haven't even installed it yet. I bought it just to try it, but I haven't thought of a useful reason. What would I even RUN on it? >With windoze, you always gotta reboot to gain back system resources. >After a couple hours surfing next time, when you close your browser out, >etc. check you system resources. Much lower than after a fresh reboot. >Memory management is *much* better in Linux. I'll have to check that...

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> >So Linux users brag about it for basically 3 reasons. (1) Superior >memory management, (2) Much more stable, no more BSOD, no crashes to >have to reset from, (3) Changes in system configuration generally take >effect immediately, not upon a reboot as in windoze. > >Hope that helps ya! <g>

I admit, #3 *does* piss me off... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>Try it.. I'll bet ya 10 GPLRank points it'll crash within 48hours. > >Jan. >=--- >EldredP wrote... >> <snip> >> I don't understand why Linux people keep mentioning how long their system >has >> been up. I could leave my home computer on all the time, but I don't want >to >> waste energy. My computer at work(win95) stays on all the time, so I >could say >> the same thing. What's the benefit? >> Just curious. >>

Like I said, my work system stays on all the time... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Try it.. I'll bet ya 10 GPLRank points it'll crash within 48hours. Jan. =--- EldredP wrote... > <snip> > I don't understand why Linux people keep mentioning how long their systemhas > been up. I could leave my home computer on all the time, but I don't wantto > waste energy. My computer at work(win95) stays on all the time, so Icould say

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> the same thing. What's the benefit? > Just curious. > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > I don't understand why Linux people keep mentioning how long their system has > been up. I could leave my home computer on all the time, but I don't want to > waste energy. My computer at work(win95) stays on all the time, so I could say > the same thing. What's the benefit? > Just curious. If it's Win95a, I guarantee it won't go more than 45 days straight running time without a reboot. It'll crash. Memory leak, and M$ knows about it. I don't have the knowledge base ref# handy, but it's documented on M$ site. With windoze, you always gotta reboot to gain back system resources. After a couple hours surfing next time, when you close your browser out, etc. check you system resources. Much lower than after a fresh reboot. Memory management is *much* better in Linux. So Linux users brag about it for basically 3 reasons. (1) Superior memory management, (2) Much more stable, no more BSOD, no crashes to have to reset from, (3) Changes in system configuration generally take effect immediately, not upon a reboot as in windoze. Hope that helps ya! <g> -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >cd /dev/mind > >ls -l > > > > > >Just as I suspected....empty partition. ;-) > > > > Ouch...<g>

Hehehe. I suspected this one would go over most heads. -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Probably because they don't realise that their computer has slowed down so much as it is a gradual thing. Also, they probably can't be bothered installing and using a decent OS like Linux because they don't realise just how much software there is out there to download of the net for nothing. Cheers, Tim Lyth Kirk Lane wrote:

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> > Gordon McLachlan wrote: > > > > Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. It is useful as a web > > server OS, but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it > > excessively. > > So to you an acceptable OS is one that tries to do too much for you (Let > ME choose the drivers once in a while!!!!!!), that necessitates > rebooting every few hours of use, piles up loads and loads of useless > and system-slowing crap files, and never really has been close to > stable??? You don't expect to have to restart your car after a few > hours of driving, or for the car to decide it wants to take a longer > slower way when you know a faster one, or the car to slow down > dramatically after a few months of use...why do people accept that in > their computers??? > > Kirk Lane > [email hidden]

Kirk Lane wrote: > You don't expect to have to restart your car after a few > hours of driving, If that allows to buy my car for $100, I shall gladly accept that. There are also mainframe systems that boot less that once per year statistically, like MVS, but they will cost you $1000... per day ! > or for the car to decide it wants to take a longer > slower way when you know a faster one, or the car to slow down > dramatically after a few months of use...why do people accept that in > their computers??? If they do not, they should not run Linux as well. I have always been surprised to see my disk drives lights go wild for many minutes, while the console was terribly slowed down, when I was not doing anything special. If I issue a "top" command when that happens, it just say that there is a .so (!) doing something. Same junk than in Windows, the only enhancement being that you the name of the culprit program :-(

On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Kirk Lane quoth: ][ Gordon McLachlan wrote: ][ > ][ > Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. It is useful as a web ][ > server OS, but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it ][ > excessively. ][ ][ So to you an acceptable OS is one that tries to do too much for you (Let ][ ME choose the drivers once in a while!!!!!!), that necessitates ][ rebooting every few hours of use, piles up loads and loads of useless ][ and system-slowing crap files, and never really has been close to ][ stable??? You don't expect to have to restart your car after a few ][ hours of driving, or for the car to decide it wants to take a longer ][ slower way when you know a faster one, or the car to slow down ][ dramatically after a few months of use...why do people accept that in ][ their computers??? Amen brother. Don't know how many times I've used that analogy myslef. I think if cars were powered by MS Windows, and they had to give thier auto the ole three finger salute, you'd hear a lotta bitchin real quick. anm -- /*------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Andrew N. McGuire | | [email hidden] | | perl -le'print map?"(.*)"?&&($_=$1)&&s](\w+)]\u$1]g&&$_=>`perldoc -qj`' | `------------------------------------------------------------------------*/

"Richard Watson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Andy Shearman <[email hidden]> writes: > > > I'd be a bit careful with the car analogy - what is said about windowsis true but with a linux powered car? > > > > Where do you put the petrol - /usr/petrol or /usr/local/petrol? > > Depends if you install from petrol.rpm or petrol.tar.gz. > /usr/bin/gojuice > > Not withstanding that alot of stuff you get as a "kit" and have tocompile it into a car.. > > But at least you can press your own car if you want. > if u work on cars for a hobby, u will like my analogy of cars relating to the question :)

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> > Also, until recently your car couldn't have more than 1024 cylinders.. > > Only on one of it's engines. > > > The list goes on - I think discussions between Windows vs Linux are > > fruitless and often border on religeous fanatiscism (sp?)... > > I think you may be right. "Hail linux, full of grace...." >

windows is like the pos mpi 4cyl rolling wrecks... it is factory preset and can only be reconfigured with costly updates... (which if you get into and decypher the registry, u can reconfigure it, but 1 mistake and its fried...) linux is an older sporty piece of musclecar, which has many /usr variables... and u dont have to restart your car after changing a carb setting :) -- the agent of the X [email hidden]

"Andrew N. McGuire " <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 24 Jul 2000, Andy Shearman quoth: > > ][ I'd be a bit careful with the car analogy - what is said about windowsis true but with a linux powered car? > > Not necessarily? > > ][ The list goes on - I think discussions between Windows vs Linux arefruitless and often border on religeous fanatiscism (sp?)... > > Quite true. But we are talking about cars here, get with it!! Have > you ever heard anyone argue over which car is better, sheesh. ;^) > > anmcause mopar has some kickass engines/drivelines (i mean linux), gm makes some nice body styles (oops, i mean 69 gto) and frd (win?) theres no argument :) -- the agent of the X [email hidden]

EldredP wrote: > > Which sounds like an answer to one of my other posts. What would I run once I > *loaded* linux? > Well, in the commercial realm, we've got: Quake, Quake2, Civilization: Call to Power, Railroad Tycoon 2, Quake3 Arena, Unreal Tournament, Soldier of Fortune, Myth 2, Heretic 2, Heavy Gear2, MindRover, Alpha Centauri. Soon to come: Descent 3 & Sim City 3000. On the freeware side there are things like Kasteroids ( remember Asteroids in the late 70's/early 80's?), Krubik (YES!! Rubik's cube on your computer! Talk about torture!<g>). In office apps, a free download is StarOffice 5.2. And it goes on and on. You get the picture. <g> -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

I'd be a bit careful with the car analogy - what is said about windows is true but with a linux powered car? Where do you put the petrol - /usr/petrol or /usr/local/petrol? Not withstanding that alot of stuff you get as a "kit" and have to compile it into a car.. Also, until recently your car couldn't have more than 1024 cylinders.. The list goes on - I think discussions between Windows vs Linux are fruitless and often border on religeous fanatiscism (sp?)... In alt.os.linux.mandrake Andrew N. McGuire <[email hidden]> wrote: : On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Kirk Lane quoth: : ][ Gordon McLachlan wrote: : ][ > : ][ > Linux is not an acceptable desktop operating system. It is useful as a web : ][ > server OS, but other than that it is an oddity, much like those who hype it : ][ > excessively. : ][ : ][ So to you an acceptable OS is one that tries to do too much for you (Let : ][ ME choose the drivers once in a while!!!!!!), that necessitates : ][ rebooting every few hours of use, piles up loads and loads of useless : ][ and system-slowing crap files, and never really has been close to : ][ stable??? You don't expect to have to restart your car after a few : ][ hours of driving, or for the car to decide it wants to take a longer : ][ slower way when you know a faster one, or the car to slow down : ][ dramatically after a few months of use...why do people accept that in : ][ their computers??? : Amen brother. Don't know how many times I've used that analogy myslef. : I think if cars were powered by MS Windows, and they had to give thier : auto the ole three finger salute, you'd hear a lotta bitchin real quick. : anm : -- : /*------------------------------------------------------------------------. : | Andrew N. McGuire | : | [email hidden] | : | perl -le'print map?"(.*)"?&&($_=$1)&&s](\w+)]\u$1]g&&$_=>`perldoc -qj`' | : `------------------------------------------------------------------------*/

EEEEEEEEEEKKKKK.......never noticed that. I have signed my own death warrant. I called them nuts!? What was I thinking!! *Tremble* Ash :) "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | Ashley McConnell wrote: | > | > Bruce, | > | > I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts!One

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| > wrong word about that 'L' OS and they could arrive at your door with big | > sticks :) | > | > Tread Carefully......I am scared even typing this ;) | > | > Ash | | | Be afraid. Be Very Afraid. Did you even realize this is cross-posted | to 2 Linux newsgroups? ;-) | | -- | Chuck Kandler | | A man is no less a Slave just because he is | allowed to choose a new Master every four years. | | Registered Linux User #180746 | http://counter.li.org

Andy Shearman <[email hidden]> writes: > I'd be a bit careful with the car analogy - what is said about windows is true but with a linux powered car? > > Where do you put the petrol - /usr/petrol or /usr/local/petrol? Depends if you install from petrol.rpm or petrol.tar.gz. > Not withstanding that alot of stuff you get as a "kit" and have to compile it into a car.. But at least you can press your own car if you want. > Also, until recently your car couldn't have more than 1024 cylinders.. Only on one of it's engines. > The list goes on - I think discussions between Windows vs Linux are > fruitless and often border on religeous fanatiscism (sp?)... I think you may be right. "Hail linux, full of grace...." -- Richard Watson | Pentagon Web Design Ltd | Reading, UK [email hidden] | Fax: +44(0)870 706 5282 | ICQ: 65274884 ----------------------- Reg. Linux User #183315 ----------------

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Interesting, but incidentally the crontab was _empty_ at that time :-( And, in fact, it was the middle of the night - 3 a.m., to be precise. I guess the system was doing some garbage collection or something similar... Unless of course I was just being hacked at this very moment without knowing it (there was no one but me according to the "who" command, but the informations used by "who" can be altered somewhere, I guess (/var/wtmp ?) ?

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>> >> Ash > > >Be afraid. Be Very Afraid. Did you even realize this is cross-posted >to 2 Linux newsgroups? ;-) > >-- >Chuck Kandler

Hey Chuck, usually I don't crosspost. Really ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 02:47:22 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> >> writes: >> >> >cd /dev/mind >> >ls -l >> > >> > >> >Just as I suspected....empty partition. ;-) >> > >> >> Ouch...<g> > > >Hehehe. I suspected this one would go over most heads. > >-- >Chuck Kandler >

I really did not want to start a freaking flamewar with a simple request for sigs on the GPL/Linux petition. However I find it very interesting to read all the different opinions... Eldred, are you versed in Unix??? ;-) I'd still vouch for papy releasing the source under the GPL if they have no further plans for it. It's cost them dearly already, so they might as well make the best of it (and I suspect it will get picked up *very* soon is the above is done) cheers, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> Which sounds like an answer to one of my other posts. What would I run >once I >> *loaded* linux? >> > > >Well, in the commercial realm, we've got: Quake, Quake2, Civilization: >Call to Power, Railroad Tycoon 2, Quake3 Arena, Unreal Tournament, >Soldier of Fortune, Myth 2, Heretic 2, Heavy Gear2, MindRover, Alpha >Centauri. Soon to come: Descent 3 & Sim City 3000. On the freeware >side there are things like Kasteroids ( remember Asteroids in the late >70's/early 80's?), Krubik (YES!! Rubik's cube on your computer! Talk >about torture!<g>). In office apps, a free download is StarOffice 5.2. >And it goes on and on. You get the picture. <g> >

Are these standard apps that happen to run on Linux, or are they 'special' Linux versions? That's important, as I'm not going to purchase other versions of software I already HAVE... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes: >I really did not want to start a freaking flamewar with a >simple request for sigs on the GPL/Linux petition. However I >find it very interesting to read all the different opinions... >Eldred, are you versed in Unix??? ;-) Uh...no. I'm staying OUTTA this...<g> I took a Unix administration/C programming course last year. Haven't touched it SINCE. Boy, *that* was educational/career enhancement money well spent... :( Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 24 Jul 2000, Andy Shearman quoth: ][ I'd be a bit careful with the car analogy - what is said about windows is true but with a linux powered car? Not necessarily? ][ Where do you put the petrol - /usr/petrol or /usr/local/petrol? There would be a Fluid Hierarchy Standard (FHS) to decide where the petrol would go. You would not have to worry about petrol maker extensions. ][ Not withstanding that alot of stuff you get as a "kit" and have to compile it into a car.. Or you could get the precompiled parts in RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) format. With the Linux car you have the choice, which makes buying a new^H^H^HGNU car alot easier, and cheaper. ][ Also, until recently your car couldn't have more than 1024 cylinders.. Yes, but the car community and car makers fixed that. We would have had to wait much longer for Microsoft to upgrade its engine. ][ The list goes on - I think discussions between Windows vs Linux are fruitless and often border on religeous fanatiscism (sp?)... Quite true. But we are talking about cars here, get with it!! Have you ever heard anyone argue over which car is better, sheesh. ;^) anm -- /*------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Andrew N. McGuire | | [email hidden] | | perl -le'print map?"(.*)"?&&($_=$1)&&s](\w+)]\u$1]g&&$_=>`perldoc -qj`' | `------------------------------------------------------------------------*/

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> > On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:27:10 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> Ash > > > > > >Be afraid. Be Very Afraid. Did you even realize this is cross-posted > >to 2 Linux newsgroups? ;-) > > > >-- > >Chuck Kandler > > Hey Chuck, > > usually I don't crosspost. Really ;-) > > Uwe

Hehehe. I'm really suprised nobody on alt.os.linux.mandrake didn't complain. It seems to be a pet peeve there. ;-) It was appropriate, though, for the initial subject at hand. -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

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> >Well, in the commercial realm, we've got: Quake, Quake2, Civilization: > >Call to Power, Railroad Tycoon 2, Quake3 Arena, Unreal Tournament, > >Soldier of Fortune, Myth 2, Heretic 2, Heavy Gear2, MindRover, Alpha > >Centauri. Soon to come: Descent 3 & Sim City 3000. On the freeware > >side there are things like Kasteroids ( remember Asteroids in the late > >70's/early 80's?), Krubik (YES!! Rubik's cube on your computer! Talk > >about torture!<g>). In office apps, a free download is StarOffice 5.2. > >And it goes on and on. You get the picture. <g> > > > > Are these standard apps that happen to run on Linux, or are they 'special' > Linux versions? That's important, as I'm not going to purchase other versions > of software I already HAVE...

The commercial bunch is what you're talking about here. There is an Unreal Tournament patch that allows you to run your native Windows version on Linux. But the rest are OS-specific, made by Loki (http://www.lokigames.com). On the upside, there are demos to all these on their website. Also, if you happen to purchase a commercial distro, as opposed to downloading & burning as I do, many of them include full versions of some of these games. Trust me. Once you get the hang of it, you have less & less desire to even run windows. Then it doesn't bother you to buy Linux-specific apps and games. I really only have 3 reasons for running windows myself anymore. Two of them I'm working on solving, and the other one Uwe is working on. ;-) I cannot get my @Home mail or newsgroup functions to work yet in Linux. I could when I had a regular dial-up connection with normally named mail & news servers. And the third is GPL. There is already Linux drivers available for my LWFF, so no hang-ups there. As far as the freeware games, yes they're Linux-specific. Obviously. But usually small downloads. Places like Linuxberg at Tucows (http://www.linuxberg.com), Linux Games (http://www.linuxgames.com), and the Linux Gaming Tome (http://www.happypenguin.com) are great places to check for these, although you get *a lot* in a standard installation. Freshmeat is a great place for apps & games as well (http://www.freshmeat.org). And for news, nothing beats Slashdot! (http://www.slashdot.com). BTW- if you *do* decide to do an install, let me know. RH5 is probably not the best way to go for a newbie, although it's install is infinitely easier than the FreeBSD 4.0 I did yesterday! I'll burn you a copy of my Mandrake 7.1, it'll serve you much better. Good luck and hope this helps! -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

Uncle Fester wrote: > >...... Freshmeat is a > great place for apps & games as well (http://www.freshmeat.org). Damn!!! I meant http://www.freshmeat.net. Sorry! -- Chuck Kandler A man is no less a Slave just because he is allowed to choose a new Master every four years. Registered Linux User #180746 http://counter.li.org

On 25 Jul 2000 12:06:27 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> >writes: > >>EldredP wrote: >>> >>> Which sounds like an answer to one of my other posts. What would I run >>once I >>> *loaded* linux? >>> >> >> >>Well, in the commercial realm, we've got: Quake, Quake2, Civilization: >>Call to Power, Railroad Tycoon 2, Quake3 Arena, Unreal Tournament, >>Soldier of Fortune, Myth 2, Heretic 2, Heavy Gear2, MindRover, Alpha >>Centauri. Soon to come: Descent 3 & Sim City 3000. On the freeware >>side there are things like Kasteroids ( remember Asteroids in the late >>70's/early 80's?), Krubik (YES!! Rubik's cube on your computer! Talk >>about torture!<g>). In office apps, a free download is StarOffice 5.2. >>And it goes on and on. You get the picture. <g>

That's the whole point: Allmost nothing runs under Linux! Want me to give list of games and apps that run under Windows? :) Seriously, Linux seems like a much more stable and efficient OS than windows (not that it's too hard to make a more stable and efficient OS than windows) but what's the point if there are hardly any programs that run under Linux? Andre

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>> > >Are these standard apps that happen to run on Linux, or are they 'special' >Linux versions? That's important, as I'm not going to purchase other versions >of software I already HAVE... > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL hcp. +69.95 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: : That's the whole point: Allmost nothing runs under Linux! : Want me to give list of games and apps that run under Windows? :) : Seriously, Linux seems like a much more stable and efficient OS than : windows (not that it's too hard to make a more stable and efficient OS : than windows) but what's the point if there are hardly any programs : that run under Linux? Depends what you're looking for Andre. If your interest is game playing then don't use Linux (unless you have no money whatsoever and are only going to run freeware). If you're only doing spreadsheets/word processing and you don't need to exchange files with the rest of the world then linux is fine. (Star Office is OK ish - it's not quite as good as MS office which is damning criticism really but then it's free). If you're doing programming/development/serious work and you can't afford real unix then linux is definitely for you. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

Uncle Fester wrote: > >......... I really only have 3 > reasons for running windows myself anymore. Two of them I'm working on > solving, and the other one Uwe is working on. ;-) I cannot get my @Home > mail or newsgroup functions to work yet in Linux..... And > the third is GPL. Hehehe. Well, I got two of my problems solved. Just waiting on you, Uwe. ;-)) Chuck Kandler

On 24 Jul 2000 08:03:01 GMT, Andy Shearman <[email hidden]> wrote: > >I'd be a bit careful with the car analogy - what is said about windows is true but with a linux powered car? > >Where do you put the petrol - /usr/petrol or /usr/local/petrol? Neither. It's definitely /dev/petrol :-) >Not withstanding that alot of stuff you get as a "kit" and have to compile it into a car.. > >Also, until recently your car couldn't have more than 1024 cylinders.. That was a lilo problem due to a bios problem ( And an approporiate analogy would be that you could only use 1024 cylinders to start the car; once it is running, you could use more . . . but would you want to :-) >The list goes on - I think discussions between Windows vs Linux are fruitless and often border on religeous fanatiscism (sp?)... True, it is pretty hard to have an intelligent discussion about the topic. The problem is that for the most part, windows users do not know much about linux and linux users use it because they hate windows. I have to admit that for the general public, windows is probably the better OS. True, it is about as stable as a whale on a tightrope but its point and click basics are important for some people. There are people who used Microsoft Word for the last five years and are still unaware of the presense of the "options" dialogs. Can you really expect them to use linux? Some people have no interest in hacking an OS and are more willing to put up with windows than try to understand the 500 modules of the kernel. I use both(but hope to use linux exclusively in a few months due to a change of circumstances.) I like linux better but I have no difficulty understanding why to some, the concept of using the command line seems ancient, complex and useless.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:16:26 GMT, while stumbling around in alt.os.linux.mandrake, alex <[email hidden]> went on and on about the rainforest, then mumbled something under their breath:

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>On 24 Jul 2000 08:03:01 GMT, Andy Shearman <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >> > There are people who used Microsoft Word for the last five >years and are still unaware of the presense of the "options" dialogs. >Can you really expect them to use linux?

ive used linux for a long time, and dont know of the options dialogs under ms word... i guess if i used it, i might go in there... but the real options are in the registry :]

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> >Some people have no interest in hacking an OS and are more willing to >put up with windows than try to understand the 500 modules of the >kernel. > >I use both(but hope to use linux exclusively in a few months due to a >change of circumstances.) I like linux better but I have no >difficulty understanding why to some, the concept of using the command >line seems ancient, complex and useless.

'never underestimate the power of the command line...' -darth.vader to [email hidden] -- xx the agent of x x marks the spxt finally a registered linux user #184657 :P from http://counter.li.org/

>No...he's one of a band of people who believe that Linux will one day >become the pre-eminent operating system. > >They are a little like Mac owners: very, very devoted to their cause. I like linux, but I dont believe it... Linux is an alternative to microshaft software...

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>Bruce, > >I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! >One wrong word about that 'L' OS and they could arrive at your door with >big sticks :) > >Tread Carefully......I am scared even typing this ;) > >Ash

Not all Linux users take it so personal! I am running win2k/win98/linux tripple boot...

They know where you live >) They are everywhere They move among us unnoticed but spake they do with voices loud... hold those thoughts! In alt.os.linux.mandrake Ript <[email hidden]> wrote: :>Bruce, :> :>I would watch yourself, they are very devoted...some of them are nuts! :>One wrong word about that 'L' OS and they could arrive at your door with :>big sticks :) :> :>Tread Carefully......I am scared even typing this ;) :> :>Ash : Not all Linux users take it so personal! : I am running win2k/win98/linux tripple boot...

Andy Shearman ([email hidden]) wrote: [ They know where you live >) i think the softwre co. should consider it even as an exercise at first, then they'll find out hoqw easy it isto port Then they'll make it standard to release their next version to multiple platforms -- jazz Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386 Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life --- OUT THERE??

[email hidden] (Andy Shearman) wrote in <8o57n1$1jok$1 @news.adamastor.ac.za>:

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>They know where you live >) > >They are everywhere > >They move among us unnoticed but spake they do with voices loud... > >hold those thoughts!

heheheheheh OK....