Is the field of view adjustable on this thing?
I really wish all sims (flight & racing alike) had such a feature.
Is it really so hard to implement?
Reactions to new pre-release Grand Prix 3 screenshots
New GP3 screenshots led to criticism from Victor Chan about pixelated trees, patchy textures and a lack of filtering, while others said stills say little about the moving game. Posters also discussed the cockpit view having a wheel but no driver arms and whether field of view would be adjustable. Much of the thread was sarcasm aimed at nitpickers.
Automated summary.
Yeah and look it's raining in Melbourne !!!!! totally inacurate blah
blah blah blah, leaves room clutching GPL box, tub of vaseline and
economy box of mansize tissues : )
Regards Mike
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:19:03 +1000, "Berno" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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> >What planet do the games you play come from? Those graphics shit on gpl but >I suppose you would know better???? > >"Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:55:14 GMT, "Victor Chan" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-( >> > >> >> I totally agree. >> >> This shot looks awful, for example: >> >> >http://www.nextgame.it/Immagini/Microprose/GrandPrix3/GrandPrix3_windows_fot >o7.jpg >> >> They must be really incompetent.. >> >> JoH >> >> >Cockpit seems wierd without "arms".
-Tony-
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> > Check these out: > http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608 > > Cheers, David > TopLoader > Melbourne, Australia.I definatly prefer a cockpit with out arms. With a moving wheel is good but
no wheel is just as well (you have your own on the desktop, no?). I feel
like a spider with a pair of arms on the screen and mine hehe.
ds
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>Cockpit seems wierd without "arms". > >-Tony- > >TopLoader wrote: >> >> Check these out: >> http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608 >> >> Cheers, David >> TopLoader >> Melbourne, Australia.They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
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> Check these out: > http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608 > > Cheers, David > TopLoader > Melbourne, Australia. > >On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:55:14 GMT, "Victor Chan"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
>
I totally agree.
This shot looks awful, for example:
http://www.nextgame.it/Immagini/Microprose/GrandPrix3/GrandPrix3_windows_foto7.jpg
They must be really incompetent..
JoH
For goodness sake lay off them.....i think these are old pictures anyway!
Next friday will tell all :)
Ash
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| They must be really incompetent..
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| JoH
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| On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:55:14 GMT, "Victor Chan" | <[email hidden]> wrote: | | >They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-( | > | | I totally agree. | | This shot looks awful, for example: | |Check these out:
http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608
Cheers, David
TopLoader
Melbourne, Australia.
They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
uggh
"Tony Jester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Cockpit seems wierd without "arms".
Nice troll. Dork.
Get real.
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> -Tony-
>
> TopLoader wrote:
> >
> > Check these out:
> > http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608
> >
> > Cheers, David
> > TopLoader
> > Melbourne, Australia.
"Victor Chan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
Oh I don't know. They look OK to me. However still
pictures is one thing, a moving game is another.
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> "TopLoader" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Check these out:
> > http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608
> >
> > Cheers, David
> > TopLoader
> > Melbourne, Australia.
> >
> >
>
>
I am sorry that some folks had a blind fold on. Do you see pixels on the tree or the
tree trunks???? Look at the amount of "edges" or aliasings on the graphics??? You
shouldn't see them if the game is well 3D accelerated and at a higher resolution. Those
screenshots looks like they didn't have bilinear filtering turned on. This remains me of
F12000 too.
"Victor Chan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-( > > "TopLoader" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zC9d5.5641$[email hidden]... > > Check these out: > > http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608 > > > > Cheers, David > > TopLoader > > Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > >No tricks. Look at the pixels on the tree, leaves, and tree trunks?
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> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:25:25 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >WHOOSH!!! Straight through to the catcher! > > > >(He was being facetious). > > Did it really take someone with this impressive intellectual capacity > (just tought me a new English word :-) ) to "get it"? Either I was > being "facetious", or I was a blind man (or a Victor Chan) > > JoH > > PS My Babylon online translator says that "facetious"="supposedly > funny" Whatdotheymean, "supposedly" :-)On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:25:25 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>WHOOSH!!! Straight through to the catcher!
>
>(He was being facetious).
Did it really take someone with this impressive intellectual capacity
(just tought me a new English word :-) ) to "get it"? Either I was
being "facetious", or I was a blind man (or a Victor Chan)
JoH
PS My Babylon online translator says that "facetious"="supposedly
funny" Whatdotheymean, "supposedly" :-)
>> Bruce Kennewell wrote:
>> >WHOOSH!!! Straight through to the catcher!
Ya, and that one image with the rain is hardly realistic either.
Just look at the grandstand. Not one umbrella or rain poncho in the
crowd. Details, details...
I always thought it meant "full of shit". I guess that would be
spelt "faecetious".
-Ferdinand-
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>> >(He was being facetious). >"Jo Helsen" wrote >> Did it really take someone with this impressive intellectual capacity >> (just tought me a new English word :-) ) to "get it"? Either I was >> being "facetious", or I was a blind man (or a Victor Chan) >> >> JoH >> >> PS My Babylon online translator says that "facetious"="supposedly >> funny" Whatdotheymean, "supposedly" :-)Eh? I wasnt.......I said that to lay off the GP3 lads as I am sure its
gonna be a great game and they will have done a great job ....i dont care
THAT much about graphics
I was saying that the original guy was getting his "knickers in a knot" when
they were good enough
Ash *very chilled on a wednesday afternoon* :)
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| Ash..... calm down....don't get your "nickers in a knot" over screenies | while your munching on your "Cornies" & BTW if you check around you'll see | they are NEW. :)) | | Cheers, David | TopLoader | Melbourne, Australia. | |Judging from the screenshots, I am bothered by the patchy looking ground textures. Also,
the tire name on some of the shots is more pixel-looking than others.
"Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> Bruce Kennewell wrote: > >> >WHOOSH!!! Straight through to the catcher! > > Ya, and that one image with the rain is hardly realistic either. > Just look at the grandstand. Not one umbrella or rain poncho in the > crowd. Details, details... > > >> >(He was being facetious). > > >"Jo Helsen" wrote > >> Did it really take someone with this impressive intellectual capacity > >> (just tought me a new English word :-) ) to "get it"? Either I was > >> being "facetious", or I was a blind man (or a Victor Chan) > >> > >> JoH > >> > >> PS My Babylon online translator says that "facetious"="supposedly > >> funny" Whatdotheymean, "supposedly" :-) > > I always thought it meant "full of shit". I guess that would be > spelt "faecetious". > > -Ferdinand-"Berno" <[email hidden]> wrote
> What planet do the games you play come from? Those graphics shit on gplbut
> I suppose you would know better????
Ah cmon.. thought you would easily catch the sarcasm of your replied message
Berno ;-D
> "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > I totally agree.
> > This shot looks awful, for example:
>http://www.nextgame.it/Immagini/Microprose/GrandPrix3/GrandPrix3_windows_fot
> o7.jpg
> > They must be really incompetent
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-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
"Berno" <[email hidden]> wrote
> What planet do the games you play come from? Those graphics shit on gplbut
> I suppose you would know better????
Especially since on that picture the left side kurb division between the
grass and track should be 1 inch wider than it is modeled in GP3 <vbg to
myself>
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-- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.WeRace.net
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
I'm just guessing, but if the tree's were drawn in high resolution it would
take more video memory limiting the resolution available to the cars track
(which look amazing IMO) and more time to draw them probably resulting in
some of the CPU power used for the driving model being wasted on drawing
tree's that, in all honesty at 130MPH, you just ain't looking at ;)
--
Ian Parker
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy."
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Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I am sorry that some folks had a blind fold on. Do you see pixels on the
tree or the
> tree trunks???? Look at the amount of "edges" or aliasings on the
graphics??? You
> shouldn't see them if the game is well 3D accelerated and at a higher
resolution. Those
> screenshots looks like they didn't have bilinear filtering turned on.
This remains me of
> F12000 too.
>
> "Victor Chan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:Swad5.6241$[email hidden]...
> > They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
> >
> > "TopLoader" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:zC9d5.5641$[email hidden]...
> > > Check these out:
> > > http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608
> > >
> > > Cheers, David
> > > TopLoader
> > > Melbourne, Australia.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Just look at the size of those driver's head's, way too big !!!
Or have I been playing F1 2k too much <G>
--
Ian Parker
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy."
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Mike Blackmore <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Yeah and look it's raining in Melbourne !!!!! totally inacurate blah
> blah blah blah, leaves room clutching GPL box, tub of vaseline and
> economy box of mansize tissues : )
>
>
> Regards Mike
>
Check these out:
http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608
Cheers, David
TopLoader
Melbourne, Australia.
If you want to look at perfect pictures...... buy a camera !!!!!! <G>
--
Ian Parker
"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy."
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Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Judging from the screenshots, I am bothered by the patchy looking ground
textures. Also,
> the tire name on some of the shots is more pixel-looking than others.
<LOL> Come on, there is no excuse for that and stop making excuses for the game. At
least make the ground textures more realistic or more 3D hardware rendered. I just get
this software rendering feel about those screenshots.
"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8l5142$34f$[email hidden]...
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> If you want to look at perfect pictures...... buy a camera !!!!!! <G> > > -- > Ian Parker > "Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." > > <email invalid due to spam> > > > Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:DCld5.7063$[email hidden]... > > Judging from the screenshots, I am bothered by the patchy looking ground > textures. Also, > > the tire name on some of the shots is more pixel-looking than others. > > >
Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
uggh
Has no-one considered that these minor imperfections will almost
certainly not be visible in a moving image - these are stills after all.
In any case, we'll all know what the game is really like soon enough.
-Nick
GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
> uggh
What planet do the games you play come from? Those graphics shit on gpl but
I suppose you would know better????
"Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.nextgame.it/Immagini/Microprose/GrandPrix3/GrandPrix3_windows_fot
o7.jpg
>
> They must be really incompetent..
>
> JoH
>
>
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> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:55:14 GMT, "Victor Chan" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-( > > > > I totally agree. > > This shot looks awful, for example: > >On the other hand, over-filtered 3D graphics can be bad as well. Trees are
notoriously difficult to draw properly, and a lot of times a pixelated
version gives a better impression than a filtered one.
Stephen
"Victor Chan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> <LOL> Come on, there is no excuse for that and stop making excuses forthe game. At
> least make the ground textures more realistic or more 3D hardwarerendered. I just get
> this software rendering feel about those screenshots.
>
> "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8l5142$34f$[email hidden]...
ground
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> > If you want to look at perfect pictures...... buy a camera !!!!!! <G> > > > > -- > > Ian Parker > > "Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." > > > > <email invalid due to spam> > > > > > > Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:DCld5.7063$[email hidden]... > > > Judging from the screenshots, I am bothered by the patchy lookingQuoted text (7 lines)
> > textures. Also, > > > the tire name on some of the shots is more pixel-looking than others. > > > > > > > >Mike.....when you finish!!.....post the pics in Binaries will you......LOL
Cheers, David
TopLoader
Melbourne, Australia.
WHOOSH!!! Straight through to the catcher!
(He was being facetious).
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Berno <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> What planet do the games you play come from? Those graphics shit on gpl
but
> I suppose you would know better????
>
> "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:55:14 GMT, "Victor Chan"
> > <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> > >They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
> > >
> >
> > I totally agree.
> >
> > This shot looks awful, for example:
> >
> >
>
http://www.nextgame.it/Immagini/Microprose/GrandPrix3/GrandPrix3_windows_fot
> o7.jpg
> >
> > They must be really incompetent..
> >
> > JoH
> >
> >
>
>
Yes. Completely diabolical, aren't they?
I can't see myself buying any more than one box of GP3 on the strength of
these crappy graphics.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Ashley McConnell <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> For goodness sake lay off them.....i think these are old pictures anyway!
>
> Next friday will tell all :)
>
> Ash
>
> Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> | On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:55:14 GMT, "Victor Chan"
> | <[email hidden]> wrote:
> |
> | >They don't like 3D-accelerated. :-( They look bad. :-(
> | >
> |
> | I totally agree.
> |
> | This shot looks awful, for example:
> |
> |
>
http://www.nextgame.it/Immagini/Microprose/GrandPrix3/GrandPrix3_windows_fot
> o7.jpg
> |
> | They must be really incompetent..
> |
> | JoH
> |
> |
>
>
Ash..... calm down....don't get your "nickers in a knot" over screenies
while your munching on your "Cornies" & BTW if you check around you'll see
they are NEW. :))
Cheers, David
TopLoader
Melbourne, Australia.
Who cares about arms Ridiculous. I want a sim. Don't you have hands
and arms?
Tony Jester wrote:
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> Cockpit seems wierd without "arms". > > -Tony- > > TopLoader wrote: > > > > Check these out: > > http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608 > > > > Cheers, David > > TopLoader > > Melbourne, Australia.On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:38:45 +0200, "Stephen Ferguson"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>On the other hand, over-filtered 3D graphics can be bad as well. Trees are
>notoriously difficult to draw properly, and a lot of times a pixelated
>version gives a better impression than a filtered one.
Exactly. We don't have a good impression of how it actually looks in
movement, but it might just be that they figured it looks better
*without* filtering (certainly the trees). It's not because a 3D-card
feature is available that you HAVE to use it. Could the lack of
filtering on some objects speed up the rendering as well?
JoH
On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:57:48 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
MISTER MENARD, THIS TIME YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR!!!!
;-)
JoH
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>"Berno" <[email hidden]> wrote >> What planet do the games you play come from? Those graphics shit on gpl >but >> I suppose you would know better???? > > >Especially since on that picture the left side kurb division between the >grass and track should be 1 inch wider than it is modeled in GP3 <vbg to >myself>Bruce Kennewell wrote:
>
> He simply said that it seemd weird. From that it's easy to deduce that he's
> probably played GPL with the driver's arms and wheel, thereby becoming used
> to the fact that the cockpit view has arms AND a wheel.
Didn't you learn that posting your oppionion regarding any sim adopted by
fanboys of any genre is a violation of the "we know that shit, so we can
call you a dork if you disagree" rule?? ;)
That includes track accuracy, car physics AND the damned virtual arms.
l8er
ronny
--
|\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather,
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep.
|,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car,
'---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!
As I said, Vic, they're pretty crook and certainly prove that GP3 will be
nothing but rubbish.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Victor Chan <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> No tricks. Look at the pixels on the tree, leaves, and tree trunks?
>
> "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:25:25 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell"
> > <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> > >WHOOSH!!! Straight through to the catcher!
> > >
> > >(He was being facetious).
> >
> > Did it really take someone with this impressive intellectual capacity
> > (just tought me a new English word :-) ) to "get it"? Either I was
> > being "facetious", or I was a blind man (or a Victor Chan)
> >
> > JoH
> >
> > PS My Babylon online translator says that "facetious"="supposedly
> > funny" Whatdotheymean, "supposedly" :-)
>
>
Well, there you go. That silly, silly Crammond! Fancy not including a
feature where the crowd rise up and don wet-weather gear. Ridiculous!
Imagine the effect.....frame rate sits at a healthy level, it starts to rain
and suddenly the FPS drops to an all-time low, the car becoming
uncontollable at 2.5 FPS as the CPU power is pushed towards making the
100,000-strong crowd put on raincoats!! HAAAA!
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Ferdinand Trauttmansdorff <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> Bruce Kennewell wrote:
> >> >WHOOSH!!! Straight through to the catcher!
>
> Ya, and that one image with the rain is hardly realistic either.
> Just look at the grandstand. Not one umbrella or rain poncho in the
> crowd. Details, details...
>
> >> >(He was being facetious).
>
> >"Jo Helsen" wrote
> >> Did it really take someone with this impressive intellectual capacity
> >> (just tought me a new English word :-) ) to "get it"? Either I was
> >> being "facetious", or I was a blind man (or a Victor Chan)
> >>
> >> JoH
> >>
> >> PS My Babylon online translator says that "facetious"="supposedly
> >> funny" Whatdotheymean, "supposedly" :-)
>
> I always thought it meant "full of shit". I guess that would be
> spelt "faecetious".
>
> -Ferdinand-
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Has no-one considered that saying GP3 looks bad is utter b******s :-)
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> Has no-one considered that these minor imperfections will almost > certainly not be visible in a moving image - these are stills after all. > > In any case, we'll all know what the game is really like soon enough. > > -Nick >Someone has now ;)
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"Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy."
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>
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:8l5blv$1v0h$[email hidden]...
> > Has no-one considered that these minor imperfections will almost
> > certainly not be visible in a moving image - these are stills after all.
> >
> > In any case, we'll all know what the game is really like soon enough.
> >
> > -Nick
> >
>
> Has no-one considered that saying GP3 looks bad is utter b******s :-)
>
>
He simply said that it seemd weird. From that it's easy to deduce that he's
probably played GPL with the driver's arms and wheel, thereby becoming used
to the fact that the cockpit view has arms AND a wheel.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Mrv <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Who cares about arms Ridiculous. I want a sim. Don't you have hands
> and arms?
>
> Tony Jester wrote:
>
> > Cockpit seems wierd without "arms".
> >
> > -Tony-
> >
> > TopLoader wrote:
> > >
> > > Check these out:
> > > http://www.nextgame.it/html/screenshot.php?id=608
> > >
> > > Cheers, David
> > > TopLoader
> > > Melbourne, Australia.
>
Gradee.....
I couldnt have said it better myself :)
GP3 will rock :)
Ash
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