The Noonan thread: Clarifications and appologies

Ok, first I want to apologize to Dave. I sounded like I was challenging your ethics an morals. Truthfully, looking back, that is what I wrote. However I was really hoping maybe you might read it and get a good idea, I had assumed maybe you hadn't thought of that aspect. Since I didn't know your position, I didn't have enough information to judge, I came across that way, but did not mean too. Now that a few folks have informed me of the un precedented knowledge, time, and energy you put into this product, I understand why your product is on another level than other community based add-ons, more like papy's track pack for Nascar 1. Secondly I want to apologize to r.a.s. for not handling the thread in a better way. I caught myself up in defending my posts, when it would have been wiser to ignore wise ass posts that got me off track from my original points. I allowed others to dictate the thread into a debate on whether or not I should personally buy the product. I should have instead stated that this angle is irrelevant, since I no longer own the tracks for which to convert. Basically I was going along with Dave Henrie's analogy about BC2K, but somehow that then became the main point of the thread. So I wasn't ever challenging the value of the converter, or Dave's right to charge, only trying to gauge it for myself. I'm sorry if other don't agree with how I gauge, but I don't see how that's relevant? Instead I was just looking for information for which to form my own opinion. Instead I fell into the trap of defending my purchasing beliefs. For that I am sorry, since it wasted a lot of good time we could have been spent discussing sims instead. I have decided to no longer post on the subject from now on and will leave any necessary rebuttals via mail. (On the other hand, if we keep this going, perhaps we can totally avoid the GP3 flame wars if we keep this up. :) )

hehe LOL well you can quite easily ban prostitutes, making it work is the hard part. :) Ok So I'm banning all flame wars on this group from now on! :) Lets see if it works! :) Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > <SNIP> > .... > >(On the other hand, if we keep this going, perhaps we can totally avoidthe

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> >GP3 flame wars if we keep this up. :) ) > > > > That's about as realistic as... > > - trying to ban prostitution > - making F12000 playable on a 486 > - keeping WareZ PhrEaK CraCkErs out of this group > - cancelling a newsnet group by means of a WWW-petition > - ... > > JoH > > ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- > --------------------------------------------------------------

"Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote: <SNIP> .... >(On the other hand, if we keep this going, perhaps we can totally avoid the >GP3 flame wars if we keep this up. :) ) > That's about as realistic as... - trying to ban prostitution - making F12000 playable on a 486 - keeping WareZ PhrEaK CraCkErs out of this group - cancelling a newsnet group by means of a WWW-petition - ... JoH ------- The best way to accelerate a Mac is 9.81 m/s2 -------- --------------------------------------------------------------

I bought the ICR2<>NASCAR2 converter for $15. I bought the GPL<>NASCAR/ICR2 converter for about $25. I can't recall ever spending $40 and getting more out of it. Mr.Noonan has given us a free demo of the converter, a free oval converter and free Brands Hatch, Ousterreichring and Imola. I think he has given us a lot for free. I also think his converter is a great bargin. If Papyrus sold the converted tracks as a track pack they would be at least $40. Just my opinion! buzard "Kai Fuller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5O4e5.357882$[email hidden]... > Ok, first I want to apologize to Dave. I sounded like I was challengingyour > ethics an morals. Truthfully, looking back, that is what I wrote. HoweverI > was really hoping maybe you might read it and get a good idea, I hadassumed > maybe you hadn't thought of that aspect. Since I didn't know yourposition, > I didn't have enough information to judge, I came across that way, but did > not mean too. Now that a few folks have informed me of the un precedented > knowledge, time, and energy you put into this product, I understand whyyour

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> product is on another level than other community based add-ons, more like > papy's track pack for Nascar 1. > > Secondly I want to apologize to r.a.s. for not handling the thread in a > better way. I caught myself up in defending my posts, when it would have > been wiser to ignore wise ass posts that got me off track from my original > points. I allowed others to dictate the thread into a debate on whether or > not I should personally buy the product. I should have instead stated that > this angle is irrelevant, since I no longer own the tracks for which to > convert. Basically I was going along with Dave Henrie's analogy about

BC2K, > but somehow that then became the main point of the thread. > > So I wasn't ever challenging the value of the converter, or Dave's rightto > charge, only trying to gauge it for myself. I'm sorry if other don't agree > with how I gauge, but I don't see how that's relevant? Instead I was just > looking for information for which to form my own opinion. Instead I fell > into the trap of defending my purchasing beliefs. For that I am sorry,since > it wasted a lot of good time we could have been spent discussing sims > instead. I have decided to no longer post on the subject from now on and > will leave any necessary rebuttals via mail. > > (On the other hand, if we keep this going, perhaps we can totally avoidthe > GP3 flame wars if we keep this up. :) ) > >

In article <N_5e5.1057$[email hidden]>, "Bob Thurman" <[email hidden]> writes: >I bought the ICR2<>NASCAR2 converter for $15. What tracks does this convert? -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Jo Helsen <[email hidden]> writes: >That's about as realistic as... > >- trying to ban prostitution I like George Carlin's line about prostitution(slightly altered): "Selling is legal, screwing is legal. Why is selling screwing *illegal*???" :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The arrows point the way...ICR2 tracks to N2/n99 and on to N3. Included(at least for the TPTCC members) was a previously thought impossible convertor that moved N2/99 tracks for use with ICR2. Since N2 had more items in the track.dat file, Papyrus claimed that converting the new tracks for use with ICR2 was impossible. Dave Noonan, proved otherwise. I "beleive" if he ever updates the convertors, then the N3 tracks will also get the backwards treatment to ICR2. But thats just a guess. With N4 comming soon, and it's file structure very similar to GPL, those tracks should be easy to convert... I would love to see an N4 based Touring Car Patch from the Pits so we could race the Touring Cars at the Nurburgring and a 24 hour online race at Spa...hehehehehehehehehahHhhhhHazzzaahhahahahahaaahha(oops sorry!) so..back to the original question... ICR2>N2 is the original Noonan convertor...from there some of the tracks can be moved to GPL (I think!) with Noonan's GPL/N3 convertor. included with the ICR2>N2 convertor was a separate program that converted N2/99 tracks to ICR2. Strange that nobody wants an ICR1 convertor. :> dave henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <N_5e5.1057$[email hidden]>, "Bob Thurman" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I bought the ICR2<>NASCAR2 converter for $15. > > What tracks does this convert? > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > The arrows point the way...ICR2 tracks to N2/n99 and on to N3. > Included(at least for the TPTCC members) was a previously thought impossible > convertor that moved N2/99 tracks for use with ICR2. > Since N2 had more items in the track.dat file, Papyrus claimed that > converting the new tracks for use with ICR2 was impossible. Dave Noonan, > proved otherwise. I "beleive" if he ever updates the convertors, then the > N3 tracks will also get the backwards treatment to ICR2. But thats just a > guess. > With N4 comming soon, and it's file structure very similar to GPL, those > tracks should be easy to convert... > I would love to see an N4 based Touring Car Patch from the Pits so we > could race the Touring Cars at the Nurburgring and a 24 hour online race at > Spa...hehehehehehehehehahHhhhhHazzzaahhahahahahaaahha(oops sorry!) > so..back to the original question... > ICR2>N2 is the original Noonan convertor...from there some of the tracks can > be moved to GPL (I think!) with Noonan's GPL/N3 convertor. > included with the ICR2>N2 convertor was a separate program that converted > N2/99 tracks to ICR2. Strange that nobody wants an ICR1 convertor. :>

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