Re: GP3's Lame Controller Setup

You can bet that the same people who are complaining about their dissapointment in the Beta version will dislike and nitpick the retail released version as well. If you are predisposed to disliking something you will invariably find the faults in it. No matter how good any sim released this year is, it will take time to supplant GPL's "legend" even if that sim is in fact superior. But over the next 2 years even the most diehard GPL fanatics will be won over by the charms of GP3 or Nascar 4 or Nascar Heat or WSC or some other sim, because they will be fresh unconquered territory,and those titles will slowly come to dominate the discussions here. Of course you will have the nitpickers who are in fact "closet" GP3 or Nascar4 lovers, playing the games moreso than even GPL, while continuing to gripe about their secret new obsession here in RAS. It's just human nature.

Martin 'donL' Kronhofmann <[email hidden]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: 8lbhgj$1u6c$[email hidden]...

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> "David L. Cook" wrote: > > I will not use single axis pedals any more. > > Are you kidding? No split-axis in GP3?? What the hell did they do the > last years? Sounds to me that GPL had more features on board the they > it went gold than GPxx will have in the next 4 years :(( > > so long > donL >

split axis works without problems - even exotic controllers... don't let the anti-hype get you. It works like a dream.

Any good sim will have a controller setup program that can detect what you have and assign it. GP3 attempts to do that with thier calibration option but it simply does not work. My Force RS will not work with split axis and it seems impossible to map shifting to any button over #4. I will not use single axis pedals any more. If a game doesn't support separate pedals it (usually the demo) goes in my recycle bin. From what I've seen while cruising GP3 with the keyboard it looks pretty bad graphically, but still looks like more fun than F1-2000 IMO. If anyone out there has a control set that works for the Force RS and works with separate axis pedals shoot it my way, if you don't mind. And BTW - I always try before I buy. I did with GPL and bought it the day it hit the shelves. Flamers don't waste your breath... --David Cook

"David L. Cook" wrote: > I will not use single axis pedals any more. Are you kidding? No split-axis in GP3?? What the hell did they do the last years? Sounds to me that GPL had more features on board the they it went gold than GPxx will have in the next 4 years :(( so long donL

Of course split axis works. It works quite well. Don't listen to all the crap. Martin 'donL' Kronhofmann wrote:

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> "David L. Cook" wrote: > > I will not use single axis pedals any more. > > Are you kidding? No split-axis in GP3?? What the hell did they do the > last years? Sounds to me that GPL had more features on board the they > it went gold than GPxx will have in the next 4 years :(( > > so long > donL

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:45:56 +0200, "Alexander Marx" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >split axis works without problems - even exotic controllers... don't let the >anti-hype get you. It works like a dream. > > If it's the same as GP2 then tell me how you choose the RZ axis for brakes? That option was never in GP2 and my understanding is it's exactly the same in GP3. -- Nos

On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:15:00 -0400, David L. Cook <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Any good sim will have a controller setup program that can detect what you have >and assign it. GP3 attempts to do that with thier calibration option but it >simply does not work. My Force RS will not work with split axis and it seems >impossible to map shifting to any button over #4. I will not use single axis >pedals any more. If a game doesn't support separate pedals it (usually the demo) >goes in my recycle bin. > >From what I've seen while cruising GP3 with the keyboard it looks pretty bad >graphically, but still looks like more fun than F1-2000 IMO. If anyone out there >has a control set that works for the Force RS and works with separate axis pedals >shoot it my way, if you don't mind. > >And BTW - I always try before I buy. I did with GPL and bought it the day it hit >the shelves. Flamers don't waste your breath... > >--David Cook >

this is why this game is a beta , just this is enough. geoff crammond would never leave out the option for split access pedals, plus the force-rs is one of the most widely used wheels. this is a big beta, its got it written all over its gearbox, wait till the 28th and we're sorted, this games gonna kick arse.

And how did I prove his point? Andre

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>> >You can bet that the same people who are complaining about their >dissapointment >> >in the Beta version will dislike and nitpick the retail released version >as >> >well. If you are predisposed to disliking something you will invariably >find >> >the faults in it. No matter how good any sim released this year is, it >will >> >take time to supplant GPL's "legend" even if that sim is in fact >superior. But >> >over the next 2 years even the most diehard GPL fanatics will be won over >by >> >the charms of GP3 or Nascar 4 or Nascar Heat or WSC or some other sim, >because >> >they will be fresh unconquered territory,and those titles will slowly >come to >> >dominate the discussions here. >> >Of course you will have the nitpickers who are in fact "closet" GP3 or >Nascar4 >> >lovers, playing the games moreso than even GPL, while continuing to gripe >about >> >their secret new obsession here in RAS. It's just human nature. >> This is complete nonsense imho. If a sim comes out that is better and >> more enjoyable than GPL, everybody will switch to that sim. >> GP3 isn't being bashed because we are all GPL lovers and bash >> everything 'because it's no GPL'. GP3 is in quite a lot of departments >> a big letdown. Perhaps the warez version isn't the final, but even if >> it isn't I'm affraid the final won't be very much different. >> The warez version does have ff and split axis so I really don't think >> it isn't the final version. >> I like GP3 very much. I will absolutely buy it, for me it's well worth >> the money, even if it is 'GP2 .5'. But... no way it will replace GPL, >> GP3 is a nice change between the GPL sessions :) >> Andre

Please, stop proving his point. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 22 Jul 2000 11:29:13 GMT, [email hidden] (Loosay2) wrote: > > >You can bet that the same people who are complaining about theirdissapointment > >in the Beta version will dislike and nitpick the retail released versionas > >well. If you are predisposed to disliking something you will invariablyfind > >the faults in it. No matter how good any sim released this year is, itwill > >take time to supplant GPL's "legend" even if that sim is in factsuperior. But > >over the next 2 years even the most diehard GPL fanatics will be won overby > >the charms of GP3 or Nascar 4 or Nascar Heat or WSC or some other sim,because > >they will be fresh unconquered territory,and those titles will slowlycome to > >dominate the discussions here. > >Of course you will have the nitpickers who are in fact "closet" GP3 orNascar4 > >lovers, playing the games moreso than even GPL, while continuing to gripeabout

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> >their secret new obsession here in RAS. It's just human nature. > > This is complete nonsense imho. If a sim comes out that is better and > more enjoyable than GPL, everybody will switch to that sim. > > GP3 isn't being bashed because we are all GPL lovers and bash > everything 'because it's no GPL'. GP3 is in quite a lot of departments > a big letdown. Perhaps the warez version isn't the final, but even if > it isn't I'm affraid the final won't be very much different. > The warez version does have ff and split axis so I really don't think > it isn't the final version. > > I like GP3 very much. I will absolutely buy it, for me it's well worth > the money, even if it is 'GP2 .5'. But... no way it will replace GPL, > GP3 is a nice change between the GPL sessions :) > > Andre

How? It will not recognize an R or Z axis...just like every game that doesn't properly support split axis. Marc. "Alexander Marx" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lbjnh$45am9$[email hidden]...

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> > Martin 'donL' Kronhofmann <[email hidden]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: > 8lbhgj$1u6c$[email hidden]... > > "David L. Cook" wrote: > > > I will not use single axis pedals any more. > > > > Are you kidding? No split-axis in GP3?? What the hell did they do the > > last years? Sounds to me that GPL had more features on board the they > > it went gold than GPxx will have in the next 4 years :(( > > > > so long > > donL > > > > split axis works without problems - even exotic controllers... don't let

the > anti-hype get you. It works like a dream. > >

Hello!??!?!?! Wouldn't you need split axis support for beta testing? You would need it for alpha testing, too. It is isn't a last minute add-on if you have a physics model that actually can use it, which GP3 apparently does not. Marc.

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> this is why this game is a beta , just this is enough. geoff crammond > would never leave out the option for split access pedals, > plus the force-rs is one of the most widely used wheels. > > this is a big beta, its got it written all over its gearbox, wait till > the 28th and we're sorted, this games gonna kick arse. > >

Can we stop with this GPL crap. Everyone here would have been ecstatic if GP3 had blown GPL out of the water in terms of quality and realism. Period. It (at least the version 1.0 that is out now) barely registers above GP2 on the radar. Sorry. Until something better is released, people will continue to play and talk about GPL. If you don't like it, stop reading a newsgroup dedicated to racing sims. Do you really think people will obsess and spend lots of time on the low quality uninteresting not rewarding titles in a forum like this????? Marc. "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > You can bet that the same people who are complaining about theirdissapointment > in the Beta version will dislike and nitpick the retail released versionas > well. If you are predisposed to disliking something you will invariablyfind > the faults in it. No matter how good any sim released this year is, itwill > take time to supplant GPL's "legend" even if that sim is in fact superior.But > over the next 2 years even the most diehard GPL fanatics will be won overby > the charms of GP3 or Nascar 4 or Nascar Heat or WSC or some other sim,because > they will be fresh unconquered territory,and those titles will slowly cometo > dominate the discussions here. > Of course you will have the nitpickers who are in fact "closet" GP3 orNascar4 > lovers, playing the games moreso than even GPL, while continuing to gripeabout > their secret new obsession here in RAS. It's just human nature.

There's no Z axis. Do you have rememdy to this problem? --David Cook In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote...

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> Of course split axis works. It works quite well. Don't listen to all > the crap. > > Martin 'donL' Kronhofmann wrote: > > > "David L. Cook" wrote: > > > I will not use single axis pedals any more. > > > > Are you kidding? No split-axis in GP3?? What the hell did they do the > > last years? Sounds to me that GPL had more features on board the they > > it went gold than GPxx will have in the next 4 years :(( > > > > so long > > donL > >

On 22 Jul 2000 11:29:13 GMT, [email hidden] (Loosay2) wrote:

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>You can bet that the same people who are complaining about their dissapointment >in the Beta version will dislike and nitpick the retail released version as >well. If you are predisposed to disliking something you will invariably find >the faults in it. No matter how good any sim released this year is, it will >take time to supplant GPL's "legend" even if that sim is in fact superior. But >over the next 2 years even the most diehard GPL fanatics will be won over by >the charms of GP3 or Nascar 4 or Nascar Heat or WSC or some other sim, because >they will be fresh unconquered territory,and those titles will slowly come to >dominate the discussions here. >Of course you will have the nitpickers who are in fact "closet" GP3 or Nascar4 >lovers, playing the games moreso than even GPL, while continuing to gripe about >their secret new obsession here in RAS. It's just human nature.

This is complete nonsense imho. If a sim comes out that is better and more enjoyable than GPL, everybody will switch to that sim. GP3 isn't being bashed because we are all GPL lovers and bash everything 'because it's no GPL'. GP3 is in quite a lot of departments a big letdown. Perhaps the warez version isn't the final, but even if it isn't I'm affraid the final won't be very much different. The warez version does have ff and split axis so I really don't think it isn't the final version. I like GP3 very much. I will absolutely buy it, for me it's well worth the money, even if it is 'GP2 .5'. But... no way it will replace GPL, GP3 is a nice change between the GPL sessions :) Andre

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:50:34 GMT, "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Please, stop proving his point. And how did I prove his point? Andre

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> > >"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On 22 Jul 2000 11:29:13 GMT, [email hidden] (Loosay2) wrote: >> >> >You can bet that the same people who are complaining about their >dissapointment >> >in the Beta version will dislike and nitpick the retail released version >as >> >well. If you are predisposed to disliking something you will invariably >find >> >the faults in it. No matter how good any sim released this year is, it >will >> >take time to supplant GPL's "legend" even if that sim is in fact >superior. But >> >over the next 2 years even the most diehard GPL fanatics will be won over >by >> >the charms of GP3 or Nascar 4 or Nascar Heat or WSC or some other sim, >because >> >they will be fresh unconquered territory,and those titles will slowly >come to >> >dominate the discussions here. >> >Of course you will have the nitpickers who are in fact "closet" GP3 or >Nascar4 >> >lovers, playing the games moreso than even GPL, while continuing to gripe >about >> >their secret new obsession here in RAS. It's just human nature. >> >> This is complete nonsense imho. If a sim comes out that is better and >> more enjoyable than GPL, everybody will switch to that sim. >> >> GP3 isn't being bashed because we are all GPL lovers and bash >> everything 'because it's no GPL'. GP3 is in quite a lot of departments >> a big letdown. Perhaps the warez version isn't the final, but even if >> it isn't I'm affraid the final won't be very much different. >> The warez version does have ff and split axis so I really don't think >> it isn't the final version. >> >> I like GP3 very much. I will absolutely buy it, for me it's well worth >> the money, even if it is 'GP2 .5'. But... no way it will replace GPL, >> GP3 is a nice change between the GPL sessions :) >> >> Andre >

Dan - Nascar Heat might just steal the spotlight for a while here in RAS. You'll definitely want to put it on your list. I expect N4 will unseat it come November because of it's superior network code, etc. but for a while IMHO NH will dominate. --David Cook In article <8lcfcc$hub$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote... > WSC and NASCAR 4 to me look like very interesting games > and if they turn out to be realistic in physics (which I believe they will) > I will buy it without a doubt.

Imho, Nascar Heat, WSC, and Nascar 4 will dominate through the remainder of the year. -- Don Burnette Dburn in N3 and Legends ICQ# 74084566 "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Dan - Nascar Heat might just steal the spotlight for a while here in RAS. You'll > definitely want to put it on your list. I expect N4 will unseat it come November > because of it's superior network code, etc. but for a while IMHO NH will > dominate. > > --David Cook > > In article <8lcfcc$hub$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] wrote... > > WSC and NASCAR 4 to me look like very interesting games > > and if they turn out to be realistic in physics (which I believe they will) > > I will buy it without a doubt. > >

Yummy... demo?... Doh! -wrong ng to ask I guess. I'll configure Jacob's server later. Jan. =--- David L. Cook wrote... > Next month! ><Snip>

In article <[email hidden]>, David L. Cook <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Dan - Nascar Heat might just steal the spotlight for a while here in RAS. >You'll >definitely want to put it on your list. I expect N4 will unseat it come >November >because of it's superior network code, etc. but for a while IMHO NH will >dominate. >

When is Nascar Heat supposed to be out...? -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8lbjnh$45am9$[email hidden]>, "Alexander Marx" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Martin 'donL' Kronhofmann <[email hidden]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag: >8lbhgj$1u6c$[email hidden]... >> "David L. Cook" wrote: >> > I will not use single axis pedals any more. >> >> Are you kidding? No split-axis in GP3?? What the hell did they do the >> last years? Sounds to me that GPL had more features on board the they >> it went gold than GPxx will have in the next 4 years :(( >> >> so long >> donL >> > >split axis works without problems - even exotic controllers... don't let the >anti-hype get you. It works like a dream. >

Ok, why would someone lie about it? They want to try to single-handedly *ruin* GP3? Just curious... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Great Point Marc I'm fed up of GPL fans being labeled as closed minded fanatics who will immediately knock down any other the racing sim. It total BS. Has it ever occurred to you that GPL is worth it's mass following? It is clearly the most accurate sim out there to date hence the reason why it is praised. It is a brilliant game and I would rate it over GP2 and from what I have read the warez GP3 without hesitation. If a decent sim comes out I for one would get hold of it ASAP. WSC and NASCAR 4 to me look like very interesting games and if they turn out to be realistic in physics (which I believe they will) I will buy it without a doubt. I call myself a GPL fanatic, I love the game but I also spend plenty of other time playing games like SCGT (which I totally enjoy and feel is a very underrated game). If you want a fanatic to "nitpick" GPL I will say that the AI behavior is average, absence of wet weather is also a downer, and the lack of driving aids gives the game a terribly steep learning curve. Trust these features annoy me but there are only a few and these are overseen by the fantastic online support and gameplay found in GPL. In the end if you exclude the physics engine it is the amount of these "nitpicks" that separates the strength and playability of a racing SIM. So as you may see I'm not saying GPL is perfect because really it isn't, but it's floors are minor in the whole perspective of the game and hence I feel it is the most perfect game out there at this point in time. If another game out of the box is better than GPL, hell I will obviously praise it more no matter what form of racing it is. Again, I PLAY OTHER SIMS LIKE SCGT, F12K, MSGP2 AND ENJOY THEN A LOT so don't say I'm closed minded to any game other than GPL!!!!!! From what I have read, LOTS AND LOTS of features that are undeniably important to modern formula are missing, e.g. 107% rule, Penalties, camber, track camber etc are missing. This is really really pathetic and in the end I feel this will separate GP3 and other games to come from the SIM greats out there. When I play the warez version I will give more detailed thoughts BUT I WILL certainly take in mind that this is an early release and make no final judgments. One last point, I feel that the GP2 physics engine isn't enough to be able to keep the GPXX series alive in the SIM department especially where games like GPL exist and games like WSC and Nascar 4 are in the waitings. Gp2 I feel is canned, after re-installing it I found it unplayable AND again I can play games like F12K and SCGT and totally enjoy them!!!! Don't get me wrong I used to praise GP2 and be a fanatic until GPL came out and dated the GP2 engine IMO. Bloody hell that was a long post, but I had a lot to get off my back!!!!! BTW if GP3 is better that GPL, I WILL PRAISE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Dan Brown Marc Collins <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:VXhe5.10814$[email hidden]... > Can we stop with this GPL crap. Everyone here would have been ecstatic if > GP3 had blown GPL out of the water in terms of quality and realism. > Period. It (at least the version 1.0 that is out now) barely registers > above GP2 on the radar. Sorry. Until something better is released,people

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> will continue to play and talk about GPL. If you don't like it, stop > reading a newsgroup dedicated to racing sims. Do you really think people > will obsess and spend lots of time on the low quality uninteresting not > rewarding titles in a forum like this????? > > Marc. > > "Loosay2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You can bet that the same people who are complaining about their > dissapointment > > in the Beta version will dislike and nitpick the retail released version > as > > well. If you are predisposed to disliking something you will invariably > find > > the faults in it. No matter how good any sim released this year is, it > will > > take time to supplant GPL's "legend" even if that sim is in fact

superior. > But > > over the next 2 years even the most diehard GPL fanatics will be wonover > by > > the charms of GP3 or Nascar 4 or Nascar Heat or WSC or some other sim, > because > > they will be fresh unconquered territory,and those titles will slowlycome > to > > dominate the discussions here. > > Of course you will have the nitpickers who are in fact "closet" GP3 or > Nascar4 > > lovers, playing the games moreso than even GPL, while continuing togripe > about > > their secret new obsession here in RAS. It's just human nature. > >

Next month! > When is Nascar Heat supposed to be out...?

"Dan Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lcfcc$hub$[email hidden]... > Great Point Marc > > I'm fed up of GPL fans being labeled as closed minded fanatics who will > immediately knock down any other the racing sim. It total BS. Absolutely correct. Many of us GPL die-hards are craving a bit of modern day action and a fresh perspective but like myself, will not drive a sim with inferior physics or simply facelifted old titles. Next challenger step into the ring please - Roll on WSC. MS

Next month! In article <[email hidden]>eldredp wrote... > > > When is Nascar Heat supposed to be out...?

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:07:37 GMT, "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> dribbled the following:

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>Hello!??!?!?! Wouldn't you need split axis support for beta testing? You >would need it for alpha testing, too. It is isn't a last minute add-on if >you have a physics model that actually can use it, which GP3 apparently does >not. > >Marc. > >> this is why this game is a beta , just this is enough. geoff crammond >> would never leave out the option for split access pedals, >> plus the force-rs is one of the most widely used wheels. >> >> this is a big beta, its got it written all over its gearbox, wait till >> the 28th and we're sorted, this games gonna kick arse. >> >> >

I think split axis DOES work, its just that GP3 doesnt look inside Direct input to see what axis/buttons is avalable, cos it just list Joystick A and B no matter what you have plugged in.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:07:37 GMT, Marc Collins <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hello!??!?!?! Wouldn't you need split axis support for beta testing? You >would need it for alpha testing, too. It is isn't a last minute add-on if >you have a physics model that actually can use it, which GP3 apparently does >not. > Remember that in gp2 svga mode was a last minute add-on (which also made it bog slow with sky and smoke), so Crammond an friends have set a preference. I'm very bitter about the leaked version of gp3, it totally destroyed my hopes that gpl might be replaced or be in serious danger of facing competition up there in sim heaven. My hopes now rest on Loki to give us a nice GPL II compilation on Linux. Stay tuned. Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

[email hidden] wrote: : On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:45:56 +0200, "Alexander Marx" : <[email hidden]> thus spoke: :>split axis works without problems - even exotic controllers... don't let the :>anti-hype get you. It works like a dream. : If it's the same as GP2 then tell me how you choose the RZ axis for : brakes? That option was never in GP2 and my understanding is it's : exactly the same in GP3. Doh - it works in GP2 as well of course. You just need to be at least 50% competent to set it up -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

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