Re: The worst thing about warez

then it's the final readme version, hexscan the exe and you'll see the exe is not 1.0 Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mTme5.9375$[email hidden]... > Hate to keep saying this, but there is a date in the Readme file that says > July 13th 2000, which means it's the final version. > >

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:35:01 +0100, "Chris Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote: >This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Friday for >the entire r.a.s/race sim community. A point can be made without resorting to gross misrepresentation of the facts you know. >For goodness sake, this is apparently old code which is clearly "work in >progress" rather than the finished article. And you know this to be the case how exactly, since you haven't downloaded, looked at or tried it? Nor have I mind you, but then I'm not making claims about something of which I have no experience. >Those of you who have downloaded the game should ask yourselves if you'd be >happy with your customers/boss receiving your work before it was ready for >consumption - of course you wouldn't! He does all the time, to get an idea how things are going. Not a problem. If my job sucks when the timer is 99% through then it's not going to get much better. In that case he'd be REAL pissed if I asked him to pay for it.... >Anyone who is involved in producing computer software knows that a project >can still resemble a dog's dinner even just prior to completion - it's the >nature of the beast so to speak. This is utter nonsense. Having been involved in five beta tests, all for sims, NONE of them, not a one has been changed radically in the weeks prior to release. In fact most of them were massively playable and with most features intact from the first pre-alpha test versions. >So in the case of GP3, those who have the >warez copy are, at best viewing the development team's "dirty laundry" as it >were - it is completely unfair to the guys and gals who have worked long >hours for our gaming pleasure - to say nothing of the piracy issues. Perhaps unfair and I'll leave the anti-piracy moral high-ground grabbing antics well alone, but it's also extremely misleading to make statements of purported fact about a product which you've never seen. >Someone posted on r.a.s that we should stop pontificating on morals re:GP3 >warez. This is not a moral issue, it's a simple matter of misleading info >arising from incomplete code. Misleading info arising from what is _perhaps_ incomplete code, although how incomplete is far from clear. That at least is better to know that misleading info arising from no code whatsoever, no? >The only time to pass judgement on the efforts of Team Crammond will be next >Friday morning, when the finished code is safely stored on our hard drives. Going on what everyone has said up until now, I'll be making a longer drive than normal to buy it from a shop that accepts returns - that is why I appreciate the warez comments. I personally believe it'll be good, but when people here whose opinions I respect very much get THAT disappointed, I take notice. >Has no-one ever heard the old theatrical phrase "It'll be alright on the >night"? Yes, it's also the name of a program which depicts all the times when things were far from allright on the night.... John

LOL... my words to Andre aren't even cold and they're already at it. Jan./one week until a major reality check guys. =--- Chris Wright wrote... > This whole warez fiasco <snip>

So.... what version does the warez-exe show then???

This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Friday for the entire r.a.s/race sim community. For goodness sake, this is apparently old code which is clearly "work in progress" rather than the finished article. Those of you who have downloaded the game should ask yourselves if you'd be happy with your customers/boss receiving your work before it was ready for consumption - of course you wouldn't! Anyone who is involved in producing computer software knows that a project can still resemble a dog's dinner even just prior to completion - it's the nature of the beast so to speak. So in the case of GP3, those who have the warez copy are, at best viewing the development team's "dirty laundry" as it were - it is completely unfair to the guys and gals who have worked long hours for our gaming pleasure - to say nothing of the piracy issues. Someone posted on r.a.s that we should stop pontificating on morals re:GP3 warez. This is not a moral issue, it's a simple matter of misleading info arising from incomplete code. The only time to pass judgement on the efforts of Team Crammond will be next Friday morning, when the finished code is safely stored on our hard drives. Has no-one ever heard the old theatrical phrase "It'll be alright on the night"?

It is the final version and works good. Tried it out and will buy it when it hits the stores here. Of course I deleted it after I tried it out. "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mTme5.9375$[email hidden]... > Hate to keep saying this, but there is a date in the Readme file that says > July 13th 2000, which means it's the final version. > >

Hate to keep saying this, but there is a date in the Readme file that says July 13th 2000, which means it's the final version.

"Chris Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lcm0e$kue$[email hidden]... > This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Fridayfor > the entire r.a.s/race sim community. Why didn't you complain equally loudly when F1 2000 and Official F1 was reped and warez'd??? > For goodness sake, this is apparently old code which is clearly "work in > progress" rather than the finished article. What proof do you have of this? This is very similar to asking how you know GP3 will be worth a shit... > Those of you who have downloaded the game should ask yourselves if you'dbe > happy with your customers/boss receiving your work before it was ready for > consumption - of course you wouldn't! Nope. I would be equally unhappy of buying a game touted as version 3 to find out it is really 2.5. I don't do warez (never have) nor do I condone it. But it is a fact of live on the internet. However I think releasing a crap game is as bad as warezing one. > Anyone who is involved in producing computer software knows that a project > can still resemble a dog's dinner even just prior to completion - it's the > nature of the beast so to speak. So in the case of GP3, those who have the > warez copy are, at best viewing the development team's "dirty laundry" asit > were - it is completely unfair to the guys and gals who have worked long > hours for our gaming pleasure - to say nothing of the piracy issues. Again... Exactly what proof do you have that this is not the final copy. Were you a GP3 beta tester? Are you really Geoff Crammond? > Someone posted on r.a.s that we should stop pontificating on morals re:GP3 > warez. This is not a moral issue, it's a simple matter of misleading info > arising from incomplete code. And what is your proof that the warez GP3 code is incomplete. -- [email hidden] > The only time to pass judgement on the efforts of Team Crammond will be next > Friday morning, when the finished code is safely stored on our hard drives. > > Has no-one ever heard the old theatrical phrase "It'll be alright on the > night"? > > > > > >

"Ken Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:T0ne5.66995$[email hidden]... > It is the final version and works good. Tried it out and will buy it whenit > hits the stores here. Of course I deleted it after I tried it out. Of course. Now you can play Mr. Rightous like other people that have used warez and deleted it. -- [email hidden] > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mTme5.9375$[email hidden]... > > Hate to keep saying this, but there is a date in the Readme file that says > > July 13th 2000, which means it's the final version. > > > > > >

> then it's the final readme version, hexscan the exe and you'll see the exe > is not 1.0 So.... what version does the warez-exe show then???

"There's something rotten in the state of Denmark"......crap is crap and there is nothing a beta turning into release version is gonna change. I don't get it though - I think GP3 delivers what was officially promised - nothin' less or more. I think the main problem is the "closest to God" hype about Mr Crammond. Yeah, he made some brilliant things in THE PAST - such as Revs, which I think is one of my no 1 experiences on a 'puter. F1GP - which I still have the original for my Amiga was stunning for its time. However, GP2 was less from stunning, and I guess Mr Crammond aint up with the task anymore - and this one will be the last one where he could live on his reputation and name. For me there's only one: Mr Kaemmer - yes I'm a ICR1&2, Nascar 1,2,3 and GPL junkie - he is always is a huge leap in front of the competition So - yeah everyone is disappointed - but who promised anything more? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Disclaimer: English aint my native tounge - so be nice... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Chris Wright skrev i meddelandet <8lcm0e$kue$[email hidden]>... >This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Fridayfor

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>the entire r.a.s/race sim community. > >For goodness sake, this is apparently old code which is clearly "work in >progress" rather than the finished article. > >Those of you who have downloaded the game should ask yourselves if you'd be >happy with your customers/boss receiving your work before it was ready for >consumption - of course you wouldn't! > >Anyone who is involved in producing computer software knows that a project >can still resemble a dog's dinner even just prior to completion - it's the >nature of the beast so to speak. So in the case of GP3, those who have the >warez copy are, at best viewing the development team's "dirty laundry" as

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>were - it is completely unfair to the guys and gals who have worked long >hours for our gaming pleasure - to say nothing of the piracy issues. > >Someone posted on r.a.s that we should stop pontificating on morals re:GP3 >warez. This is not a moral issue, it's a simple matter of misleading info >arising from incomplete code. > >The only time to pass judgement on the efforts of Team Crammond will be

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>Friday morning, when the finished code is safely stored on our hard drives. > >Has no-one ever heard the old theatrical phrase "It'll be alright on the >night"? > > > > > > >

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:51:45 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >LOL... my words to Andre aren't even cold and they're already at it. > >Jan./one week until a major reality check guys. LOL, I hope we both will be proven wrong Jan... But I'm affraid we won't. We're never wrong :) Andre >=--- >Chris Wright wrote... >> This whole warez fiasco <snip> > >

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> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:51:45 +0200, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >LOL... my words to Andre aren't even cold and they're already at it. > > > >Jan./one week until a major reality check guys. > > LOL, I hope we both will be proven wrong Jan... > But I'm affraid we won't. We're never wrong :)

Damn, did the average age on this ng drop to about 12 after this warez version was released? You kids are really full of it... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Watch who you call a kid Mr. Stoehr. Enjoying a friendly in-joke doesn't make us any younger or less responsible than we are. Look who's talking BTW, do adults really have a cute sleeping kitten in their sig? ;-) Jan. =--- Ronald Stoehr wrote...

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> Andre Warringa wrote: > > <snip> > Damn, did the average age on this ng drop to about 12 > after this warez version was released? > > You kids are really full of it... > > -- > l8er > ronny

You've been sabotaging that by not driving!! ;-) Jan. =--- EldredP wrote... > <snip> > I seem to remember you saying I'd be moving up in GPLRank, or somethinglike

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> that...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +70.45 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >LOL, I hope we both will be proven wrong Jan... >But I'm affraid we won't. We're never wrong :) > >Andre I seem to remember you saying I'd be moving up in GPLRank, or something like that...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Umoe5.1870$9%[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>"Chris Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8lcm0e$kue$[email hidden]... >> This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Friday >for >> the entire r.a.s/race sim community. > >Why didn't you complain equally loudly when F1 2000 and Official F1 >was reped and warez'd???

Actually, many DID... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +70.45 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sun 23 Jul 2000 02:13:01am, Mikkel Gram-Hansen wrote: >Badlands <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:oHne5.18925$[email hidden]... >> "There's something rotten in the state of Denmark"...... > >Hey hey easy there, take it out on someone else, we are at leat not >last in the GPL Ranking anymore ;) You are again now - those damn Yanks have been practising :-( -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -1.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > You are again now - those damn Yanks have been practising :-( Damned, back to practice. Greger Huttu if you read this.... there is a danish passport waiting for you at the ferry from G�teborg to Denmark, please come down here. :-) Mikkel

Badlands <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oHne5.18925$[email hidden]... > "There's something rotten in the state of Denmark"...... Hey hey easy there, take it out on someone else, we are at leat not last in the GPL Ranking anymore ;) Mikkel

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:11:49 +0100, "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote: >then it's the final readme version, hexscan the exe and you'll see the exe >is not 1.0 That's right, it's actually "1.00".

You've been sabotaging that by not driving!! ;-) Jan. =---

This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Friday for the entire r.a.s/race sim community. For goodness sake, this is apparently old code which is clearly "work in progress" rather than the finished article. Those of you who have downloaded the game should ask yourselves if you'd be happy with your customers/boss receiving your work before it was ready for consumption - of course you wouldn't! Anyone who is involved in producing computer software knows that a project can still resemble a dog's dinner even just prior to completion - it's the nature of the beast so to speak. So in the case of GP3, those who have the warez copy are, at best viewing the development team's "dirty laundry" as it were - it is completely unfair to the guys and gals who have worked long hours for our gaming pleasure - to say nothing of the piracy issues. Someone posted on r.a.s that we should stop pontificating on morals re:GP3 warez. This is not a moral issue, it's a simple matter of misleading info arising from incomplete code. The only time to pass judgement on the efforts of Team Crammond will be next Friday morning, when the finished code is safely stored on our hard drives. Has no-one ever heard the old theatrical phrase "It'll be alright on the night"?

On 23 Jul 2000 17:57:11 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre >Warringa) writes: > >>LOL, I hope we both will be proven wrong Jan... >>But I'm affraid we won't. We're never wrong :) >> >>Andre > >I seem to remember you saying I'd be moving up in GPLRank, or something like >that...<g>

You will Eldred, you will... IF YOU WOULD PRACTICE THE RING SOME MORE INSTEAD OF BEING A SMARTASS :) Andre > >Eldred

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:37:10 +0100, "Chris Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote: >This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Friday for >the entire r.a.s/race sim community. A bit of a sweeping generalisation - I don't see to many people feeling "tarnished". >For goodness sake, this is apparently old code which is clearly "work in >progress" rather than the finished article. Many people say it isn't, but actually a quick search on Deja reveals a discussion going on to the extent that although the version number shows "V1.0" and the file dates are recent, the reasons for this may be that the group that released this to the world hacked the software to change the version number in order to get recognition from their peers for releasing it first. So it still seems possible that the version going around could be old, with some difference in Friday's release version. Cheers! John

On Mon 24 Jul 2000 11:36:12am, EldredP wrote: <snip> >Life intruded...<g><snip> Hang on... you're a GPL driver, and you have a life? Something's not quite right here :-) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -1.17) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Look who's talking BTW, do adults really have a cute sleeping kitten in >their sig? ;-) Is THAT what that is? I couldn't even figure it out...<shrug> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>>LOL, I hope we both will be proven wrong Jan... >>>But I'm affraid we won't. We're never wrong :) >>> >>>Andre >> >>I seem to remember you saying I'd be moving up in GPLRank, or something like >>that...<g> > >You will Eldred, you will... > >IF YOU WOULD PRACTICE THE RING SOME MORE INSTEAD OF BEING A SMARTASS >:)

So - that just comes EASIER... :) Besides, realistically I could only make up about 30 seconds. That still won't get me in the top 400 - maybe not even the top 500...I don't remember. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>You've been sabotaging that by not driving!! ;-) > >Jan. >=--- >EldredP wrote... >> <snip> >> I seem to remember you saying I'd be moving up in GPLRank, or something >like >> that...<g>

Life intruded...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Your assumption that the code is incomplete is pure speculation. The readme is dated 13th July, the exe is (or so i've read) version 1.00 and all the known bugs that the team were reportedly working on before release are not present.

Credits also claim it to be ver 1.0, but whether it is or isn't, it ain't gonna be much different. Wait til someone posts a review of the retail version b4 u buy.. Martyn_D Simon Brown wrote: > Your assumption that the code is incomplete is pure speculation. The readme > is dated 13th July, the exe is (or so i've read) version 1.00 and all the > known bugs that the team were reportedly working on before release are not > present.

The worst thing about warez is reading your posts about warez. -- Todd S. "Chris Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lcm0e$kue$[email hidden]... > This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Friday for > the entire r.a.s/race sim community. > > For goodness sake, this is apparently old code which is clearly "work in > progress" rather than the finished article. > > Those of you who have downloaded the game should ask yourselves if you'd be > happy with your customers/boss receiving your work before it was ready for > consumption - of course you wouldn't! > > Anyone who is involved in producing computer software knows that a project > can still resemble a dog's dinner even just prior to completion - it's the > nature of the beast so to speak. So in the case of GP3, those who have the > warez copy are, at best viewing the development team's "dirty laundry" as it > were - it is completely unfair to the guys and gals who have worked long > hours for our gaming pleasure - to say nothing of the piracy issues. > > Someone posted on r.a.s that we should stop pontificating on morals re:GP3 > warez. This is not a moral issue, it's a simple matter of misleading info > arising from incomplete code. > > The only time to pass judgement on the efforts of Team Crammond will be next > Friday morning, when the finished code is safely stored on our hard drives. > > Has no-one ever heard the old theatrical phrase "It'll be alright on the > night"? > > > > > >

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:37:10 +0100, Chris Wright <[email hidden]> wrote: >This whole warez fiasco has really tarnished the build up to next Friday for >the entire r.a.s/race sim community. > >For goodness sake, this is apparently old code which is clearly "work in >progress" rather than the finished article. > Hi Chris, while I have come to value you as a regular RAS contributing editor, I fear you will have various parts of your body buried in a another part of your body come next Friday ;-) Just to put things clear, I would just *love* to be proven wrong on this one, next Friday, as you state. Regards & bye for now, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) Ever wondered what's wrong with the world? http://bnetwork.com/ PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes: ><snip> >>Life intruded...<g> ><snip> > >Hang on... you're a GPL driver, and you have a life? Something's not >quite right here :-) Oops...Um, er.... I'll get back to you... :) Well, I didn't say it was *much* of a life... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

EldredP wrote: > > In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Look who's talking BTW, do adults really have a cute sleeping kitten in > >their sig? ;-) Oh, and it's not MANLY, isn't it, you tough mean piece of manhood... ;^) > > Is THAT what that is? I couldn't even figure it out...<shrug> Switch to a fixed font, that'll help... -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? I hate |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, Kids! /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!