What's Happened to RAS?

A few months ago I looked in on RAS and it was full of sensible debate on most racing games, (esp GPL) and got a lot of thanks and a lot of flaming for telling people to chill out re: GPL - a Sim / Arcade- GAME! I'm gonna say it again people.. Where there is Software - there is Warez. People will download software - so stop flaming them - it's going to achieve ZERO - ZIP. I'm awaiting my pre-order of GP3 from Gameplay.com - and havn't got the b/width to download it - I honestly don't know if I would - probably not! So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag about it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired... Those of you who object to warez - USE YOUR HEADS and realise that nothing you say can un-download something that's already on someones HDD! And by the way - I've been thanked for having a reasonable attitude re: Most things in RAS in the past - and I'll be posting my considered opinion on GP3 when it arrives on my doormat! I hope the people saying it's Good are right, and those calling it gp2.5 are wrong - but frankly - It's �30 - and I've been waiting for 3 years for this! Doug

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:05:35 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >On the basis of that argument, Douglas, why bother hunting down a mass >murderer.....it's something that will always happen? You're comparing people who download warez to mass murderers? ok... Andre

Quoted text (30 lines)

>Why go to the lengths of bringing to justice a drug pusher.....it's >something that will always happen? >If your personal effects are stolen, why bother whinging about it.....it's >something that will always happen? > >Just because it HAPPENS doesn't mean that we have to live with it. Death >from diptheria, tuberculosis or whooping cough was once considered somethig >to live with. Fortunately some people decided otherwise. > >-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >--------------------------- > >Douglas Ellison <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8ldd91$e14$[email hidden]... >> A few months ago I looked in on RAS and it was full of sensible debate on >> most racing games, (esp GPL) and got a lot of thanks and a lot of flaming >> for telling people to chill out re: GPL - a Sim / Arcade- GAME! >> >> I'm gonna say it again people.. >> >> Where there is Software - there is Warez. >> >> People will download software - so stop flaming them - it's going to >achieve >> ZERO - ZIP > >

No he was using comparative analogies. Subtle difference. MS > > You're comparing people who download warez to mass murderers? ok...

Of course. The problem is many people don't just do it to test...stealing software (and music) is a way of life. You won't find too many people espousing the "let's buy 2 copies of title X to support the developers" mentality outside of the fanatic community of any particular genre. I have the GP3 warez and I also got the F12000 warez (first time for me). I have no qualms about testing these titles and I wouldn't keep warez, but I do fear that the plethora of discussion about it here will encourage the less than savoury use of it. I believe we should feel free to discuss reviews/impressions of warez, but should eliminate all the frenzied salivating about where to get things, etc. Unfortunately, the hype machinery (in here in r.a.s. and from the marketeers) is so difficult to penetrate and the so-called independent reviews in magazines and on the 'Net are ludicrously unreliable...and demos either come out months after the fact or not at all...and publishers are insane enough to release products in one continent months ahead of others.... I am 1,000,000 times more worried about Napster than I am about a few fanatical r.a.s.'ers not being patient enough to wait for the retail release of the most anticipated racing title of the past few years. Marc. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (13 lines)

> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It's an analogy, Andre. > >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass murder to that of theft. > >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the > >analogy. > > I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big > difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy- > and all the other crimes you mentioned... > > Andre

BURN IN HELL, YOU BORING, PUTRID, NON-COMMITTAL, NEUTRALITY-FASCIST BASTARD! Personally, I think people who download warez should be strung up by their stinking bowels. :o) A "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ldd91$e14$[email hidden]...

Quoted text (9 lines)

> A few months ago I looked in on RAS and it was full of sensible debate on > most racing games, (esp GPL) and got a lot of thanks and a lot of flaming > for telling people to chill out re: GPL - a Sim / Arcade- GAME! > > I'm gonna say it again people.. > > Where there is Software - there is Warez. > > People will download software - so stop flaming them - it's going to

achieve

Quoted text (12 lines)

> ZERO - ZIP. > > I'm awaiting my pre-order of GP3 from Gameplay.com - and havn't got the > b/width to download it - I honestly don't know if I would - probably not! > > So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag about > it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired... > > Those of you who object to warez - USE YOUR HEADS and realise that nothing > you say can un-download something that's already on someones HDD! > > And by the way - I've been thanked for having a reasonable attitude re:

Most > things in RAS in the past - and I'll be posting my considered opinion onGP3

Quoted text (7 lines)

> when it arrives on my doormat! I hope the people saying it's Good are > right, and those calling it gp2.5 are wrong - but frankly - It's �30 - and > I've been waiting for 3 years for this! > > Doug > >

On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It's an analogy, Andre. >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass murder to that of theft. >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the >analogy. I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy- and all the other crimes you mentioned... Andre

On the basis of that argument, Douglas, why bother hunting down a mass murderer.....it's something that will always happen? Why go to the lengths of bringing to justice a drug pusher.....it's something that will always happen? If your personal effects are stolen, why bother whinging about it.....it's something that will always happen? Just because it HAPPENS doesn't mean that we have to live with it. Death from diptheria, tuberculosis or whooping cough was once considered somethig to live with. Fortunately some people decided otherwise. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Douglas Ellison <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ldd91$e14$[email hidden]... > A few months ago I looked in on RAS and it was full of sensible debate on > most racing games, (esp GPL) and got a lot of thanks and a lot of flaming > for telling people to chill out re: GPL - a Sim / Arcade- GAME! > > I'm gonna say it again people.. > > Where there is Software - there is Warez. > > People will download software - so stop flaming them - it's going to achieve > ZERO - ZIP

What pisses me (very much) off is that they post links to the warez, so you lick it and see a site sponsored by the Britney Spears Blowjob foundation. If someone wants to find warez they can, it's stupid posting links "HERE IT IS!!!" Idiotzz Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted text (7 lines)

> > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag

about

Quoted text (31 lines)

> > > it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired... > > > > What amazes me is all the people who is posting with full names in a > > public forum that they have stolen software on their computer. The > > police might have a field day. > > > > Another this all this issue has brought to this newsgroup is the bad > > language. As you, I just can't belive how this pretty wellbehaved > > newsgroup has turned into a shouting ground. On the High Gear GP3 > > forum someone is calling everyone else a idiot and pathetic > > losers. Very positive. > > > > I think this is my two arguments in this messy matter, I would stick > > my hand into a beecube if I start to argument for/agains something > > specific going on no matter what opinion I have, so I think I'll just > > shut up :) > > I'm not saying that I've never DL'ed illegal software and I'm not saying > that I've done it, but if it was the latter, I wouldn't come to a public > NG and talk about it, and that's all I'm asking in this matter, keep it > off of this NG please > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:34:42 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" <[email hidden]> wrote: >By the simple fact that you've expanded your "I understand that...." >statement you indicate that you DON'T understand the analogy. <sigh> I do understand what you're saying Bruce. I wast just explaining what I meant in the first place. Never mind, not important :) Andre

Quoted text (23 lines)

> >-- >Regards, >Bruce Kennewell, >Canberra, Australia. >--------------------------- > >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >It's an analogy, Andre. >> >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass murder to that of theft. >> >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the >> >analogy. >> >> I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big >> difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy- >> and all the other crimes you mentioned... >> >> Andre >

It's an analogy, Andre. I am not literally comparing the crime of mass murder to that of theft. It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the analogy. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:05:35 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >On the basis of that argument, Douglas, why bother hunting down a mass > >murderer.....it's something that will always happen? > > You're comparing people who download warez to mass murderers? ok...

Yeah, like all the warez defenders who say it's like test-driving a car, etc. - when it's more like robbing the car at midnight and driving it for a week, or a few years. I do vehemently agree with the original post on one point - if these folks steal the stuff, more damn power to them - that's THEIR conscience that has to deal with it - but don't tell ME about it HERE. It's not the place. Don't tell me you did something illegal, and I probably won't know about t - or care. Bring it up here and you MADE it my issue. -- Ken's Sig 3.1 "Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" - Obi-Wan Kenobi volksy(at)yahoo(dot)com Go #43 and #44! R.I.P Adam "m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:D5Ce5.5096$[email hidden]... > No he was using comparative analogies. Subtle difference. > > MS > > > > You're comparing people who download warez to mass murderers? ok... > > >

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag about > it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired... What amazes me is all the people who is posting with full names in a public forum that they have stolen software on their computer. The police might have a field day. Another this all this issue has brought to this newsgroup is the bad language. As you, I just can't belive how this pretty wellbehaved newsgroup has turned into a shouting ground. On the High Gear GP3 forum someone is calling everyone else a idiot and pathetic losers. Very positive. I think this is my two arguments in this messy matter, I would stick my hand into a beecube if I start to argument for/agains something specific going on no matter what opinion I have, so I think I'll just shut up :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

I know you think that when people say they are really gonna go out and buy the game after downloading it, that they are lying through their teeth, but some of us actually mean it. Again, tell me where the official Microprose GP3 demo can be found, every other company has managed one...

By the simple fact that you've expanded your "I understand that...." statement you indicate that you DON'T understand the analogy. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It's an analogy, Andre. > >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass murder to that of theft. > >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the > >analogy. > > I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big > difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy- > and all the other crimes you mentioned... > > Andre

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote:

Quoted text (20 lines)

> > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag about > > it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired... > > What amazes me is all the people who is posting with full names in a > public forum that they have stolen software on their computer. The > police might have a field day. > > Another this all this issue has brought to this newsgroup is the bad > language. As you, I just can't belive how this pretty wellbehaved > newsgroup has turned into a shouting ground. On the High Gear GP3 > forum someone is calling everyone else a idiot and pathetic > losers. Very positive. > > I think this is my two arguments in this messy matter, I would stick > my hand into a beecube if I start to argument for/agains something > specific going on no matter what opinion I have, so I think I'll just > shut up :)

I'm not saying that I've never DL'ed illegal software and I'm not saying that I've done it, but if it was the latter, I wouldn't come to a public NG and talk about it, and that's all I'm asking in this matter, keep it off of this NG please Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

you really have got a 'thing' for Britney haven't you? Thats the 3rd time you've mentioned it <g> -- -Ace- (GPLRank +1.13) Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8li33i$jse$[email hidden]... > What pisses me (very much) off is that they post links to the warez, so you > lick it and see a site sponsored by the Britney Spears Blowjob foundation. > If someone wants to find warez they can, it's stupid posting links "HERE IT > IS!!!" Idiotzz > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag > about > > > > it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired... > > > > > > What amazes me is all the people who is posting with full names in a > > > public forum that they have stolen software on their computer. The > > > police might have a field day. > > > > > > Another this all this issue has brought to this newsgroup is the bad > > > language. As you, I just can't belive how this pretty wellbehaved > > > newsgroup has turned into a shouting ground. On the High Gear GP3 > > > forum someone is calling everyone else a idiot and pathetic > > > losers. Very positive. > > > > > > I think this is my two arguments in this messy matter, I would stick > > > my hand into a beecube if I start to argument for/agains something > > > specific going on no matter what opinion I have, so I think I'll just > > > shut up :) > > > > I'm not saying that I've never DL'ed illegal software and I'm not saying > > that I've done it, but if it was the latter, I wouldn't come to a public > > NG and talk about it, and that's all I'm asking in this matter, keep it > > off of this NG please > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com > >

when I first started reading r.a.s, this sort of rubbish was not at all prevalent. I think anyone who criticises others in such an obnoxious way is obviously somewhat unhinged themselves, but I guess thats the problem with a public forum, *anyone* can say what they want. <sigh> I do wonder when all this fuss will die down so I can actually log on again without finding 600 new posts of which 500 are warez-related shouting matches. Incidentally, what is a neutrality-fascist? I only ask because facism is extremism, which is out-of-keeping with neutrality. -- -Ace- (GPLRank +1.13) Aubrey <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:K5Ee5.1906$[email hidden]... > BURN IN HELL, YOU BORING, PUTRID, NON-COMMITTAL, NEUTRALITY-FASCIST BASTARD! > > Personally, I think people who download warez should be strung up by their > stinking bowels. > > :o) > > A

mmmmm Latex +) Ace wrote:

Quoted text (58 lines)

> you really have got a 'thing' for Britney haven't you? Thats the 3rd time > you've mentioned it <g> > -- > -Ace- > (GPLRank +1.13) > > Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8li33i$jse$[email hidden]... > > What pisses me (very much) off is that they post links to the warez, so > you > > lick it and see a site sponsored by the Britney Spears Blowjob foundation. > > If someone wants to find warez they can, it's stupid posting links "HERE > IT > > IS!!!" Idiotzz > > > > Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > > > > > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > > So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag > > about > > > > > it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired... > > > > > > > > What amazes me is all the people who is posting with full names in a > > > > public forum that they have stolen software on their computer. The > > > > police might have a field day. > > > > > > > > Another this all this issue has brought to this newsgroup is the bad > > > > language. As you, I just can't belive how this pretty wellbehaved > > > > newsgroup has turned into a shouting ground. On the High Gear GP3 > > > > forum someone is calling everyone else a idiot and pathetic > > > > losers. Very positive. > > > > > > > > I think this is my two arguments in this messy matter, I would stick > > > > my hand into a beecube if I start to argument for/agains something > > > > specific going on no matter what opinion I have, so I think I'll just > > > > shut up :) > > > > > > I'm not saying that I've never DL'ed illegal software and I'm not saying > > > that I've done it, but if it was the latter, I wouldn't come to a public > > > NG and talk about it, and that's all I'm asking in this matter, keep it > > > off of this NG please > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > "Team Mirage" http://www.teammirage.com/ > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * > > > "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com > > > >

Okay, Andre. -- Regards, Bruce Kennewell, Canberra, Australia. --------------------------- Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:34:42 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >By the simple fact that you've expanded your "I understand that...." > >statement you indicate that you DON'T understand the analogy. > > <sigh> > I do understand what you're saying Bruce. I wast just explaining what > I meant in the first place. > Never mind, not important :) > > Andre > > > > >-- > >Regards, > >Bruce Kennewell, > >Canberra, Australia. > >--------------------------- > > > >Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:52:06 +1000, "Bruce Kennewell" > >> <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> > >> >It's an analogy, Andre. > >> >I am not literally comparing the crime of mass murder to that of theft. > >> >It is our attitude towards right and wrong that is the subject of the > >> >analogy. > >> > >> I understand that Bruce, I just meant to say that there is big > >> difference between dowloading warez -to- -test- -before- -you- -buy- > >> and all the other crimes you mentioned... > >> > >> Andre > > >

Guess I need to figure out a way to make a bigger smiley face for the visually and sarcasmically impaired. "Ace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8liegc$3a8$[email hidden]... > when I first started reading r.a.s, this sort of rubbish was not at all > prevalent. I think anyone who criticises others in such an obnoxious wayis > obviously somewhat unhinged themselves, but I guess thats the problem witha > public forum, *anyone* can say what they want. <sigh> I do wonder when all > this fuss will die down so I can actually log on again without finding 600 > new posts of which 500 are warez-related shouting matches. Incidentally, > what is a neutrality-fascist? I only ask because facism is extremism,which

Quoted text (12 lines)

> is out-of-keeping with neutrality. > -- > -Ace- > (GPLRank +1.13) > > > Aubrey <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:K5Ee5.1906$[email hidden]... > > BURN IN HELL, YOU BORING, PUTRID, NON-COMMITTAL, NEUTRALITY-FASCIST > BASTARD! > > > > Personally, I think people who download warez should be strung up by

their

Quoted text (8 lines)

> > stinking bowels. > > > > :o) > > > > A > > >

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:45:12 -0500, "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote: >What pisses me (very much) off is that they post links to the warez, so you >lick it and see a site sponsored by the Britney Spears Blowjob foundation. She has a foundation!.........do you have the link? :-) **ElfKing** T'was in a kingdom long ago and far away......

Don't let the caustic attitudes of these profane and poisonous know-everything posters silence another reasonable voice; stay with this NG and perhaps all the malevolents will fade away in a few days. If only they would found their own "I Hate the World; Come Join Me" fun discussion group and leave the rest of us alone! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted text (7 lines)

>A few months ago I looked in on RAS and it was full of sensible debate on >most racing games, (esp GPL) and got a lot of thanks and a lot of flaming >for telling people to chill out re: GPL - a Sim / Arcade- GAME! > >I'm gonna say it again people.. > >Where there is Software - there is Warez.

Try saying that in a Dreamcast newsgroup. I bet it will be very hard for you to find people who have pirated DC games. >So - those of you who downloaded it - USE YOUR HEADS and don't brag about >it here - it's just gonna get tempers flaired... I wonder what those people will do if and when PC game market has virtually died off, and they have to play console games like on Dreamcast or new Nintendo, which are not as easily pirated?