Re: Michigan CART Race

"NanaKofi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine open-wheelrace. Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate race. Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived about it that doesn't sit quite right with me. Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead mistakes? -- don New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm

What do you think of as "racing" then? To me the last few laps of this race are what racing is all about. It's too bad we dont see more close racing like this in F1. like that famous dual between Gilles Villenuve and the other guy way back when :-) That was basically like the end of the Michigan race :-) Brian Aubrey <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PrNe5.3047$[email hidden]... > That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery atthe > end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I > couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to > decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing".I

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> think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of > thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little more > interesting. > > A > > "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8lg4ru$bhq$[email hidden]... > > > > "NanaKofi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine

open-wheel > > race. > > > > Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor platerace. > > > > Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived aboutit

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> > that doesn't sit quite right with me. > > > > Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead > > mistakes? > > > > -- > > don > > > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: > > http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html > > http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm > > > > > > > >

Ok, I see your point. Nevertheless, I found it fairly exciting. It's more fun not knowing who is going to win until the last second (literally sometimes), than knowing who's going to win for most of the race (like F1). Brian Aubrey <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YpRe5.4156$[email hidden]... > Great racing is when you have two cars that are passing and repassing and > going side-by-side becuase the cars are engineered equally well or the > drivers are equally skilled, or a combination of both. That's what Arnoux > and Villeneuve looked like to me. "Eenie-meenie-miney-moe" racing is when > they keep passing eachother mainly becuase of a draft. I think it's sorta > silly when leading the race becomes a bad thing. A little drafting issorta

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> cool, but I'm afraid the Hanford device is emphasizing it a bit too much. > > "Brian Short" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What do you think of as "racing" then? To me the last few laps of this > race > > are what racing is all about. It's too bad we dont see more close

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> > like this in F1. like that famous dual between Gilles Villenuve and the > > other guy way back when :-) That was basically like the end of the > Michigan > > race :-) > > > > Brian > > > > Aubrey <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:PrNe5.3047$[email hidden]... > > > That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery

at > > the > > > end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, andI > > > couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moeto > > > decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of"racing". > > I > > > think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sortof

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> > > thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little > more > > > interesting. > > > > > > A > > > > > > "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:8lg4ru$bhq$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "NanaKofi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine > > open-wheel > > > > race. > > > > > > > > Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate > > race. > > > > > > > > Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived > about > > it > > > > that doesn't sit quite right with me. > > > > > > > > Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's > bonehead > > > > mistakes? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > don > > > > > > > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: > > > > http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html > > > > http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at the end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing". I think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little more interesting. A "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lg4ru$bhq$[email hidden]...

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> > "NanaKofi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine open-wheel > race. > > Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate race. > > Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived about it > that doesn't sit quite right with me. > > Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead > mistakes? > > -- > don > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: > http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html > http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm > > >

Yea.. one guy totally dominating is SO interesting! "Gee willigers! that way I wont even need to watch the race! yippee!" I thought the last few laps was one of the most exciting races I've seen... ever. Open wheel cars banging off the final corner now that's exciting. A real shame when backmarkers decide the victory though.. I always hate that... ... and a shame Montoya won too, I always hate him ;) On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:01:19 GMT, "Aubrey" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at the >end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I >couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to >decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing". I >think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of >thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little more >interesting. > >A > >"don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:8lg4ru$bhq$[email hidden]... >> >> "NanaKofi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine open-wheel >> race. >> >> Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate race. >> >> Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived about it >> that doesn't sit quite right with me. >> >> Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead >> mistakes? >> >> -- >> don >> >> New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: >> http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html >> http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm >> >> >> >

Great racing is when you have two cars that are passing and repassing and going side-by-side becuase the cars are engineered equally well or the drivers are equally skilled, or a combination of both. That's what Arnoux and Villeneuve looked like to me. "Eenie-meenie-miney-moe" racing is when they keep passing eachother mainly becuase of a draft. I think it's sorta silly when leading the race becomes a bad thing. A little drafting is sorta cool, but I'm afraid the Hanford device is emphasizing it a bit too much. "Brian Short" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What do you think of as "racing" then? To me the last few laps of thisrace > are what racing is all about. It's too bad we dont see more close racing > like this in F1. like that famous dual between Gilles Villenuve and the > other guy way back when :-) That was basically like the end of theMichigan

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> race :-) > > Brian > > Aubrey <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:PrNe5.3047$[email hidden]... > > That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at > the > > end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I > > couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to > > decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing". > I > > think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of > > thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little

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> > interesting. > > > > A > > > > "don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:8lg4ru$bhq$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "NanaKofi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine > open-wheel > > > race. > > > > > > Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor plate > race. > > > > > > Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived

about > it > > > that doesn't sit quite right with me. > > > > > > Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi'sbonehead

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> > > mistakes? > > > > > > -- > > > don > > > > > > New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: > > > http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html > > > http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I didn't say one guy dominating the whole race is actually entertaining, I just think it's more honest than the sort of contrived racing that happens with the Hanford device. At least when one guy dominates, you can say, "wow, he really deserved to win!" Instead of "oh whoopie, he sure was lucky he happened to be in front when the checkered flag dropped." BTW it was indeed pretty cool when they banged wheels. -A "d0le" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yea.. one guy totally dominating is SO interesting! "Gee willigers! > that way I wont even need to watch the race! yippee!" > > I thought the last few laps was one of the most exciting races I've > seen... ever. Open wheel cars banging off the final corner now that's > exciting. A real shame when backmarkers decide the victory though.. I > always hate that... > > ... and a shame Montoya won too, I always hate him ;) > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:01:19 GMT, "Aubrey" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >That was sorta the impression I got. Turned into a bit of a lottery at

the > >end between Mike and Montoya. They kept draft-passing each other, and I > >couldn't help thinking they might as well play eenie-meenie-miney-moe to > >decide who won. Not really what comes to mind when I think of "racing".I

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> >think I'd rather see one car dominating the whole race than that sort of > >thing. At least that lapped car came along and made things a little more > >interesting. > > > >A > > > >"don hodgdon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:8lg4ru$bhq$[email hidden]... > >> > >> "NanaKofi" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:[email hidden]... > >> > Well, it looks like the NASCAR fans missed another fine

open-wheel > >> race. > >> > >> Yeah, they woulda' loved it too. Looked just like a restrictor platerace. > >> > >> Not that I didn't enjoy it, but there is just something contrived aboutit

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> >> that doesn't sit quite right with me. > >> > >> Just how long is Newman-Haas going to put up with Fittipaldi's bonehead > >> mistakes? > >> > >> -- > >> don > >> > >> New GPL Programs for the Converted Tracks: > >> http://www.ianparker1.freeserve.co.uk/gpl/index.html > >> http://www2.tpg.com.au/users/brucek/hmrc/index.htm > >> > >> > >> > > > >

"Brian Short" <[email hidden]> writes: > What do you think of as "racing" then? To me the last few laps of this race > are what racing is all about. It's too bad we dont see more close racing > like this in F1. like that famous dual between Gilles Villenuve and the > other guy way back when :-) That was basically like the end of the Michigan > race :-) My thought exactly as I was watching the race. The most exciting finish battle since Villeneuve and Arnoux in 79. I was pointed out that luckily Montoya and Andretti didn't bang wheels though.... Now, to bring this back on topic. D. Kaemmer, pretty please with sugar on top, can you make a simulator so we can do just what we saw yesterday :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying

"Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote > Now, to bring this back on topic. D. Kaemmer, pretty please with sugar on > top, can you make a simulator so we can do just what we saw yesterday :) We can do such thing in IndyCar Racing 2 Olav ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

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>Olav K. Malmin wrote in message ... >>My thought exactly as I was watching the race. The most exciting >>finish battle since Villeneuve and Arnoux in 79. I was pointed out >>that luckily Montoya and Andretti didn't bang wheels though.... > > It was beautiful to watch because the drivers were so professional (I >think it was more than luck that they didn't take each other out) and the >strategy was so interesting. Throw in the variable of the slow car and you >have all the elements of exciting racing (perhaps not quite as good a >Villeneuve/Arnoux/'79 :). >

I *still* think they touched wheels. You're right - it was luck... Great race, though! Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Brian Short" <[email hidden]> writes: >Ok, I see your point. Nevertheless, I found it fairly exciting. It's more >fun not knowing who is going to win until the last second (literally >sometimes), than knowing who's going to win for most of the race (like F1). > Same thing basically happened in the Nascar race. It was decided on the last lap... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Olav K. Malmin wrote in message ... >My thought exactly as I was watching the race. The most exciting >finish battle since Villeneuve and Arnoux in 79. I was pointed out >that luckily Montoya and Andretti didn't bang wheels though.... It was beautiful to watch because the drivers were so professional (I think it was more than luck that they didn't take each other out) and the strategy was so interesting. Throw in the variable of the slow car and you have all the elements of exciting racing (perhaps not quite as good a Villeneuve/Arnoux/'79 :). Bendito;

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Now, to bring this back on topic. D. Kaemmer, pretty please with sugar on > > top, can you make a simulator so we can do just what we saw yesterday :) > > We can do such thing in IndyCar Racing 2 Olav ;-) Just did in preparation for the Michigan 500 :) But you know what i mean :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove spam when replying