3Dfx of nVIDIA?

Saw this article in Wired... http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,37609,00.html I was going to get an Asus AGP-7700 (nVIDIA GeForce2 GTS) for racing sims, flight sims and Quake type shoot-ups. After reading this article I'm now a bit unsure. What *is* the quality like for these cards for these types of games? Is it worth it to go for the Voodoo5? -- Kulvinder Singh Matharu E-mail : ksmatharu # ieee . org [without the spaces and where #=@] Website: http://www.matharu.demon.co.uk/ t.i.n.s.t.a.a.f.l.

Voodoo 5 5500 AGP = 216 Creative GeForce 2 GTS = 216

The V5 is the faster card for GPL.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:14:26 +0100, Kulvinder Singh Matharu <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>Saw this article in Wired... > >http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,37609,00.html > >I was going to get an Asus AGP-7700 (nVIDIA GeForce2 GTS) for racing >sims, flight sims and Quake type shoot-ups. After reading this >article I'm now a bit unsure. What *is* the quality like for these >cards for these types of games? Is it worth it to go for the Voodoo5?

Another clueless review that uses 3D Mark to tell you which card is faster. I'm referring to the below quoted text. "3Dmark 2000 test scores (using MadOnion's 3DMark 2000 version 1.1) ELSA Gladiac (which uses the GeForce2 chip): 4298 3Dmarks Creative Labs Annihilator2 (GeForce2): 4182 Creative Labs Annihilator DDR (original GeForce): 3730 3Dfx Voodoo5 5500: (Voodoo5) 2774 That's not a good showing for Voodoo5, which scored only 54 percent of ELSA GeForce2's score. Even Annihilator, which uses a six-month-old GeForce chipset, is 34 percent faster than Voodoo5. (All benchmarks were run on a Pentium III-550 with 128MB of RAM)" 3D Mark takes advantage of Transform and Lighting, which the Geforce cards do, but the V5's don't. There are next to no games that use T&L so these benchmarks using 3D Mark are basically useless. The Geforce2 is faster, but no where near as much faster as that benchmark would have you believe. I had a Geforce2 and returned it for a V5 5500 because it is true that it is a more compatible card and does full screen anti-aliasing much better than the Geforce2 does. And it is a useful technology right now. I'm not going to tell you which card to get because they are both good. I'm just telling you which I prefer and why. -- Nos

The advantages of going to V5... CHeaper the Geforce Compatible with any olde stuff u might have that is glide only Smaller performance hit in FSAA i believe A little slower than G3force, but not by much Geforce.. probably the fastest card on the market right now.. Martyn_D Kulvinder Singh Matharu wrote:

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> Saw this article in Wired... > > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,37609,00.html > > I was going to get an Asus AGP-7700 (nVIDIA GeForce2 GTS) for racing > sims, flight sims and Quake type shoot-ups. After reading this > article I'm now a bit unsure. What *is* the quality like for these > cards for these types of games? Is it worth it to go for the Voodoo5? > > -- > Kulvinder Singh Matharu > E-mail : ksmatharu # ieee . org [without the spaces and where #=@] > Website: http://www.matharu.demon.co.uk/ > t.i.n.s.t.a.a.f.l.

Voodoo 5 5500 AGP = �216 Creative GeForce 2 GTS = �216

Maybe those 3DMark 2000 D3D scored cam be explained by the driver bugs (or at least I genuinely hope it's a driver bug) that cause the card to be faster when operating with only one of it's chips in GP3 and Thief. The same thing also happens in Grand Prix Legends under Glide.

Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sd%e5.17371$[email hidden]... > Voodoo 5 5500 AGP = �216 > Creative GeForce 2 GTS = �216 > I'm trying to decide which one of these two to buy (before Friday) to replace my aging VoodooII. Will GPL run ok with the GeForce2 + the new patch ? What's the general opinion, GeForce2 or Voodoo5 ? ta, Andy.

The V5 is the faster card for GPL.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:43:53 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Maybe those 3DMark 2000 D3D scored cam be explained by the driver bugs (or >at least I genuinely hope it's a driver bug) that cause the card to be >faster when operating with only one of it's chips in GP3 and Thief. The >same thing also happens in Grand Prix Legends under Glide. > > It's not a bug in the drivers. When 3D Mark benchmarks it uses the GPU on the Geforce2 card so of course it's going to give a higher benchmark number. But, every game I have wouldn't use the GPU like 3D Mark does so the numbers are useless. When games come out (B17-2 and Battle of Britain are two examples) that use the GPU for T&L funstions then yes they will perform better on a Geforce2 (maybe 20%). -- Nos

And for very many other games as well....imagine that...Quake 3 is not the best benchmark in the world....<VBG> PAPA DOC >The V5 is the faster card for GPL. > >

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:33:48 GMT, [email hidden] (Pierre Legrand) thus spoke: >And for very many other games as well....imagine that...Quake 3 is not >the best benchmark in the world....<VBG> Hey, bring in Petey and we can really piss of the natives here. :-) -- Nos

thus spoke: Hey, bring in Petey and we can really***of the natives here. :-) -- Nos

No that's not what I meant, I'm just saying that on my V5 if you turn off one of the chips, some games actually get faster. I was only comparing the V5 with one chip working to the V5 with both chips working. This happens in Grand Prix Legends (in glide only), GP3, Thief and Superbike 2000 (all d3d) so far. :)

hehehe..... > >I like them both - better visuals for sims is the V5's thing. Huge >framerates using GTS. Actually the framerates are pretty similar with both cards exchanging speed crowns in a variety of games. > >Best would be to hang on until PD has published his V5 v GTS >review - "The Layman's Guide to Video Card Reviewing". Actually I wanted to do a "professional" review but I dont own the only two programs used by "professional" reviewers 3dmark 2000 and Quake 3. I got stuck benchmarking it with 8 games....damn. And no the title is "The Tortoise and the Hare"...lets see I wonder who the tortoise is and I wonder who wins that race...ummmm PAPA DOC > >Run GP3 on your slower kit for a day or two to get the full benefit >of the upgrade, though :)

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:15:16 GMT, [email hidden] (Pierre Legrand) thus spoke: >>I like them both - better visuals for sims is the V5's thing. Huge >>framerates using GTS. > >Actually the framerates are pretty similar with both cards exchanging >speed crowns in a variety of games. Notice how he *always* says "huge" frame rates with the GTS? And he says he's not a fan-boy. Sure Peter, we *really* believe you. :-) -- Nos

Thanks for the replies. I finally made my mind up and this lunchtime I bought a Creative GeForce2. I've just installed it and checked out a few games (GPL included) and wow ! I hadn't realised how slow my Voodoo2 was :) Looking forward to seeing GP3 tomorrow, Andy.