Re: GP3 - Uses 2D sprites for 'distant' cars ..

rrevved wrote:

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> > http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/news.html > > "As seen in F1GP and GP2, also GP3 uses 2D car bitmaps to draw computer > cars when they are on far distance. The advantage is that the game > runs smoothly with all the cars, but the disadvantage is that they > look horrible on certain camera angles."

Sorry to spoil you're illusion, but so does GPL. Sort of... -- Arne Martin

Tell me how can you run GP2/GP3 at 40fps!!!!! You have a special GP2? The one that is not limited to 25fps? Borut -- ********************************** I ain't s'posed to be just fun ********************************** "Macca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:35:26 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > >One of the most heard complaints about Grand Prix 2 was the fact that it was > >so hardware intense... How many of you could run Grand Prix 2 in SVGA mode > >when it was just released? Not many if not none, > > WHen i got it, i had a pretty fast computer for those times. I ran > GP2 in vga mode with no sky, no verges, grass, and it ran at 16fps. > Even then i thought what great graphics, how quick this is. I had > F1GP on the amiga 500 and the framerate was about 5-6 frames per > second, and i loved it. So 16 was smooth as silk. About a year > later i upgraded the computer a lot, then i could run it in svga with > not much on for 20. Now on my computer it runs at about 40fps. > ___________________ > Macca > "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" > Pantera - This Love

Where is that Alpha forum? Please!!!!! I'm desperate! Borut -- ********************************** I ain't s'posed to be just fun ********************************** "Jo Helsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:58:12 GMT, "Simon Brown" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >If this is true, then it doesn't matter, since i've played the game for > >aobut 6 hours without noticing. > > It only became apparent in GP2 after people were able to change the > default camera angles. > > Then again, the algorithm used for this "feature" might be very > similar to the GP2 algorithm, so a hack might be on its way. > > JoH > > BTW: someone on the Alpha forum apparently has found a way to remove > the 25.6fps limit (something with changing the f1stat.sav file or > something)and was running it at 42fps!!!!!!!! >

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:35:26 +0200, "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> wrote: >One of the most heard complaints about Grand Prix 2 was the fact that it was >so hardware intense... How many of you could run Grand Prix 2 in SVGA mode >when it was just released? Not many if not none, WHen i got it, i had a pretty fast computer for those times. I ran GP2 in vga mode with no sky, no verges, grass, and it ran at 16fps. Even then i thought what great graphics, how quick this is. I had F1GP on the amiga 500 and the framerate was about 5-6 frames per second, and i loved it. So 16 was smooth as silk. About a year later i upgraded the computer a lot, then i could run it in svga with not much on for 20. Now on my computer it runs at about 40fps. ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

It was the same as in GP2... it's a good thing as it really speeds the game up... I haven't noticed it looks strange or anything;.... it's a good thing Geoff decided to do it this way, Grand Prix 3 is really focussed on beeing playable on average machines... Even slow machines (300 mhz') can run this game. Now everybody is whinning that the graphics look so bad. I am sure Geoff could have inserted kick ass graphics etc. but that would probably mean that we once again had to wait for 4 years or so for the hardware to catch up, like it did with Grand Prix 2. One of the most heard complaints about Grand Prix 2 was the fact that it was so hardware intense... How many of you could run Grand Prix 2 in SVGA mode when it was just released? Not many if not none, I am sure of that, it took years and years before hardware finally catched up so we could play Grand Prix 2 with all options on and decent framerate. With Grand Prix 3 Geoff decided to make the graphics engine less intense so everybody could enjoy the game. Now people are complaining that the graphics of Grand Prix 3 are outdated etc. just like people where complaining about Grand Prix 2 beeing to much of a stress on the hardware. If Geoff had included kick-ass graphics in Grand Prix 3, which I am sure of he could have done then nobody would be able to run this game in full resolution or even play it on a slow machine (with slow I mean computers in the 300 mhz range). You al would be bitching about it needing a Athlon or Pentium 1500 mhz and a GeForce6 or a Voodoo10.... Personally I like the graphics in Grand Prix 3 ... I play it in 1280x1024 with all options on (p3-800 + GeForce2 GTS), to bad it doesn't support higher resolutions as I am sure my pc could handle them.... For the record: In am not attacking you Revved... I know in your post that you said nothing bad about the Grand Prix 3 graphics, just that it uses sprites, but I just had to say this to all the criticasters... -- Sjon Stigter [email hidden] "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/news.html > > "As seen in F1GP and GP2, also GP3 uses 2D car bitmaps to draw computer > cars when they are on far distance. The advantage is that the game > runs smoothly with all the cars, but the disadvantage is that they > look horrible on certain camera angles." >

If this is true, then it doesn't matter, since i've played the game for aobut 6 hours without noticing.

So does gpl... Thomas

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:58:12 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote: >If this is true, then it doesn't matter, since i've played the game for >aobut 6 hours without noticing. It only became apparent in GP2 after people were able to change the default camera angles. Then again, the algorithm used for this "feature" might be very similar to the GP2 algorithm, so a hack might be on its way. JoH BTW: someone on the Alpha forum apparently has found a way to remove the 25.6fps limit (something with changing the f1stat.sav file or something)and was running it at 42fps!!!!!!!!

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:56:51 GMT, Rod Prince <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] says... > >> BTW: someone on the Alpha forum apparently has found a way to remove >> the 25.6fps limit (something with changing the f1stat.sav file or >> something)and was running it at 42fps!!!!!!!! > >I suspect that this may screw up the 'game clock' the same way that >greater than 100% processor occupancy does.

Well, I haven't seen it myself but he claims that everything runs ok. But I agree with you that I wouldn't be surprised if it has unexpected side effects. JoH

So does gpl... Thomas rrevved <[email hidden]> skrev i diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:[email hidden]...

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> > http://www.alphaf1.com/gp3/news.html > > "As seen in F1GP and GP2, also GP3 uses 2D car bitmaps to draw computer > cars when they are on far distance. The advantage is that the game > runs smoothly with all the cars, but the disadvantage is that they > look horrible on certain camera angles." >

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:02:56 +0200, "Borut Srebotnik" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Where is that Alpha forum? Please!!!!! I'm desperate! > > >Borut http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/31235#TOP JoH

In article <8lh2is$on6$[email hidden]>, "Sjon Stigter" <[email hidden]> writes: >it's a good thing Geoff decided to do it this way, Grand Prix 3 is really >focussed on beeing playable on average machines... Even slow machines (300 >mhz') can run this game. Now everybody is whinning that the graphics look so >bad. I am sure Geoff could have inserted kick ass graphics etc. but that >would probably mean that we once again had to wait for 4 years or so for the >hardware to catch up, like it did with Grand Prix 2. Wait - it has the same slo-mo effect that GP2 did, right? Then that means that the graphics are too intense for the hardware(as in GP2). It seems like your argument contradicts itself. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > BTW: someone on the Alpha forum apparently has found a way to remove > the 25.6fps limit (something with changing the f1stat.sav file or > something)and was running it at 42fps!!!!!!!! I suspect that this may screw up the 'game clock' the same way that greater than 100% processor occupancy does. Cheers, Rod.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >I can't point my finger what causes the problem, but watching other >cars drive looks really strange in GP3. They don't look like they're >driving on the road. Even when a car is close to the cam and is in 3d, >it looks as if the car is drawn onto the track instead of blending >into the screen as a whole. Hard to explain, but it really looks >strange. Sort of like the old cartoons where the character moves across a solid background? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 25 Jul 2000 12:06:23 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: Back to the topic again, yesterday I watched the AI cars from the outside view, and those cars that are further away turning into 2d sprites really, really, REALLY looks crappy! I can't point my finger what causes the problem, but watching other cars drive looks really strange in GP3. They don't look like they're driving on the road. Even when a car is close to the cam and is in 3d, it looks as if the car is drawn onto the track instead of blending into the screen as a whole. Hard to explain, but it really looks strange. Andre

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>Wait - it has the same slo-mo effect that GP2 did, right? Then that means that >the graphics are too intense for the hardware(as in GP2). It seems like your >argument contradicts itself. > >Eldred >-- >Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 >Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >GPL hcp. +69.95 > >Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you >with experience... >Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Since people are discussing the sprites and bugs, heres one that was in GP2, and maybe someone could look for it in GP3 (although it may not be possible yet for reasons you'll see below). There are a few different sized sprites for showing the distant AI cars at various distances. One of them (the 'closest' one) had the textures reversed... in that the left side of the car was mapped to the right, and the right mapped to the left. Of course, since your average F1 car has the same texture on both sides of the car, it is only visible in custom made skins for the AI cars, such as last year's BAR. It could be seen when follwing it, that as your distance to him changes, the 'blue' and 'white' sides of the car would flip from one side to the other as the game switched from fully-drawn to sprite mode. As I say, I suspect you wont be able to spot the bug without a custom car set. cheers...