Re: Warez download as 'demo'

[email hidden] wrote: > > Whether or not the reality of GP3 (on the 28th) meets the expectations > of simracers worldwide after low these many years of waiting, I think > its fair to treat any warez version as a demo! If you want a GP3 demo, load up GP2 and try it, because GP3 is at least 90% exactly the same as GP2. -- PD

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) wrote: > I disagree with your justification for getting the warez version, butI totally agree about the lack of a demo. > -- > David. (GPLRank handicap: -1.17) > The lack of a demo IS the (or one) justification for downloading the warez version. F12000 didnt have a demo either, but I remember many complaints of the warez F12k players *did* hold up after the final version came out. For example the framerates were still terrible and there was still evidence that the game was flung out the door by EA way too early. I have a fansite for F12k that sits there like an abandoned car.. because by the time I got my hands on a playable(sic) version of F12k I was already invested in the website and was just hoping F12k would get better. It didnt get better. In fact we found even more things wrong! Its a crime to keep developers and publishers from their money by making a habit of warez but its a worse crime (in the opinion of my wallet) to let yourself be taken in by developers and publishers and buying a game that is of poor relative quality. And what can you do??? Every publisher says his game is superior and breaks new ground (most of the time they just break new wind.) And you buy it because you didnt have a chance to demo it first. What simracer would have believed NFS/Porsche was any good if it werent for that demo? Codemasters used the demo for Toca2 to get suggestions from us, and I know it because I was there and they used more than one of our suggestions. I got an email from one of the West brothers a couple of months ago 'out of the blue' because he heard from Thomas Enterprises I might have some useful suggestions for WSC (I told him he probably had heard everything by then- but to make the game fansite friendly!) In what ways has Hasbro or Crammond gotten involved in what WE wanted to see in GP3? How many posts from Hasbro employees have you seen in GP3 forums? ..and now no demo! Anyway.. :-) MR Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

I disagree with your justification for getting the warez version, but I totally agree about the lack of a demo. Think back to that first GPL demo - at the time, I had a P120 with no 3D card, and it went (literally) at about 1 fps. And I was *still* excited. It's unforgiveable for a game like this not to have a demo *well* before publication, and all it does is: a) encourage people to get warez versions; and b) make people suspicious about how good the game really is. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -1.17) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Whether or not the reality of GP3 (on the 28th) meets the expectations of simracers worldwide after low these many years of waiting, I think its fair to treat any warez version as a demo! I dont agree with all this hyper-loyalty business towards Hasbro OR Geoff Crammond, not in these days when games like F12000 are released (rushed out the door because of $$ to be made) with many problems. After this alleged 4 years of GP3 development crap I think they could have afforded to take perhaps 6 months of that on a demo(!?).. no, not having a demo is a marketing 'strategy' and its a strategy I respect less than downloading a warez game. Is it dumb to judge GP3 on a warez version? Probably. But without an official demo thats what you're liable to get. I've seen the EA Sports reaction to F12k criticisms and I'd say that Hasbro/GC are about as equally caring about their fanbase (based on the months/years leading up to GP3 and the fact that online racing wasnt even attempted. And we STILL cant hear the other cars in GP3??) If you imagine you're anything else other than a paycheck for EA/Hasbro your a fool. I hear the West brothers have already promised a WSC demo at some point. GPL had Watkins Glen. NASCAR3 had a demo. DTR and Rally Championship had demos, and so did Toca2 and CMR. Isnt your potential money worth a demo?????? MR Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

great post. I think the lack of a demo for any game is a GIANT red flag. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lg7ks$oek$[email hidden]...

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> Whether or not the reality of GP3 (on the 28th) meets the expectations > of simracers worldwide after low these many years of waiting, I think > its fair to treat any warez version as a demo! I dont agree with all > this hyper-loyalty business towards Hasbro OR Geoff Crammond, not in > these days when games like F12000 are released (rushed out the door > because of $$ to be made) with many problems. After this alleged 4 > years of GP3 development crap I think they could have afforded to take > perhaps 6 months of that on a demo(!?).. no, not having a demo is a > marketing 'strategy' and its a strategy I respect less than downloading > a warez game. > > Is it dumb to judge GP3 on a warez version? Probably. But without an > official demo thats what you're liable to get. I've seen the EA Sports > reaction to F12k criticisms and I'd say that Hasbro/GC are about as > equally caring about their fanbase (based on the months/years leading > up to GP3 and the fact that online racing wasnt even attempted. And we > STILL cant hear the other cars in GP3??) If you imagine you're anything > else other than a paycheck for EA/Hasbro your a fool. I hear the West > brothers have already promised a WSC demo at some point. GPL had > Watkins Glen. NASCAR3 had a demo. DTR and Rally Championship had demos, > and so did Toca2 and CMR. Isnt your potential money worth a > demo?????? > > MR > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lg7ks$oek$[email hidden]... > Whether or not the reality of GP3 (on the 28th) meets the expectations > of simracers worldwide after low these many years of waiting, I think it'll do more than that. Unfortunately it won't meet the demands of RAS:-)