Re: Hmmmm, another new sim slammed before its even released [GP3]

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (NanaKofi) writes: >I'll probably keep it though like I have done with F1 2000 (which I use >for "hot laps"). > Where are the hotlap pages for F1 2K? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> Lets have a sensible debate about the good and bad points of GP3 when it > has been released. The warez version is almost certainly *not* the > finished article (no matter what it says in any help/readme files!) And > a reasoned, relevant, articulated debate cannot therefore be held on its > merits or otherwise until it has been released, and sufficient time has > passed to see its full potential(or lack of potential), eg: at least a > couple of days after its release!

You're living in denial. Even if the warez-version is several weeks old, the final version won't be massively different. Less bugs, probably yes, but they won't be adding any big new features, and from what the impression seems to be, much of the problem is that the game is still mostly GP2. That won't change in the final version. -- Arne Martin

It seems to me that the prudent thing to do is wait a couple days before drawing ANY solid conclusions. Whether or not the warez copy is close to or the same as the boxed release will not be known til an hour or two after the first ones hit the street. Mine is already ordered, but have to wait for transatlantic delivery - probably at least a day later than many of you guys. And, I can hardly wait. In article <[email hidden]>, Arne Martin <[email hidden]> wrote: > [email hidden] wrote: > > Lets have a sensible debate about the good and bad points of GP3when it > > has been released. The warez version is almost certainly *not* the > > finished article (no matter what it says in any help/readme files!)And > > a reasoned, relevant, articulated debate cannot therefore be heldon its > > merits or otherwise until it has been released, and sufficient timehas > > passed to see its full potential(or lack of potential), eg: atleast a > > couple of days after its release! > > You're living in denial. Even if the warez-version is several weeksold, > the final version won't be massively different. Less bugs, probablyyes,

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> but they won't be adding any big new features, and from what the > impression seems to be, much of the problem is that the game is still > mostly GP2. That won't change in the final version. > > -- > Arne Martin >

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Yet again, *some* members of RAS see fit to totally demolish a new sim, before it has even hit the shelves. How many times have we seen this happen before? anyone remember the panning the GPL *demo* got? Lets have a sensible debate about the good and bad points of GP3 when it has been released. The warez version is almost certainly *not* the finished article (no matter what it says in any help/readme files!) And a reasoned, relevant, articulated debate cannot therefore be held on its merits or otherwise until it has been released, and sufficient time has passed to see its full potential(or lack of potential), eg: at least a couple of days after its release! And yes, I *am* a GP2 fan, as well as being a GPL fan, a Nascar fan, an ICR fan, a RC2000 fan, a Rally Masters fan, a TOCA2 fan, etc, etc. But, I'll reserve my judgement on GP3, and any other new sim, until I've seen the finished product and at least tried it for a couple of days, you cannot make a detailed analysis of anything in a few moments browsing! Many people slammed GPL because it was too hard, but you don't really get to appreciate its little nuances until you have at least mastered the basics, and put some real time into the sim. I suspect GP3 wll be similar in this respect.... 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

I'm going to buy it. (GP3) My local software store has a 7 day return policy. So if I don't like, I can get a full refund as long as I return it before 7 days is out. I'll probably keep it though like I have done with F1 2000 (which I use for "hot laps").

I didn't think GP3 had Indy... :-) --

If it had been a new sim. of the quality of Crammond's previous releases it wouldn't have been slammed (well, there are always a few). Since it is one of Crammond's previous high quality releases, people expected more after 4 years. Marc. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lhbtg$qsn$[email hidden]...

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> Yet again, *some* members of RAS see fit to totally demolish a new sim, > before it has even hit the shelves. > > How many times have we seen this happen before? anyone remember the > panning the GPL *demo* got? > > Lets have a sensible debate about the good and bad points of GP3 when it > has been released. The warez version is almost certainly *not* the > finished article (no matter what it says in any help/readme files!) And > a reasoned, relevant, articulated debate cannot therefore be held on its > merits or otherwise until it has been released, and sufficient time has > passed to see its full potential(or lack of potential), eg: at least a > couple of days after its release! > > And yes, I *am* a GP2 fan, as well as being a GPL fan, a Nascar fan, > an ICR fan, a RC2000 fan, a Rally Masters fan, a TOCA2 fan, etc, etc. > > But, I'll reserve my judgement on GP3, and any other new sim, until I've > seen the finished product and at least tried it for a couple of days, > you cannot make a detailed analysis of anything in a few moments > browsing! > > Many people slammed GPL because it was too hard, but you don't really > get to appreciate its little nuances until you have at least mastered > the basics, and put some real time into the sim. > > I suspect GP3 wll be similar in this respect.... > > 8-) > > *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

You can learn the tracks in F1 2000 and race them in GP3 <G> -- Ian Parker "Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." <email invalid due to spam> NanaKofi <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm going to buy it. (GP3) My local software store has a 7 day return policy. > So if I don't like, I can get a full refund as long as I return it before 7 > days is out. > I'll probably keep it though like I have done with F1 2000 (which I use > for "hot laps").

<[email hidden]> wrote > How many times have we seen this happen before? anyone remember the > panning the GPL *demo* got? The thing is that nobody remembers such thing because the GPL demo was received with great applause and praise, actually. Deja.com exhibits the facts. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:37:51 GMT, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The thing is that nobody remembers such thing because the GPL demo was >received with great applause and praise, actually. Deja.com exhibits the >facts. At the moment, no it doesn't.

"Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lhso2$dm1$[email hidden]... > You can learn the tracks in F1 2000 and race them in GP3 <G> I didn't think GP3 had Indy... :-) -- [email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Arne Martin) wrote: > You're living in denial. Well, I prefer to think that I am open minded about GP3 *until* I've seen it for myself, and then, and *only* then will I make a judgement on it. If it is crap, I will be happy to state that fact, along with all the others already stating that, but only after seeing the final released version. 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

Ian P wrote: > > You can learn the tracks in F1 2000 and race them in GP3 <G> No, not really. <BG> -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> <[email hidden]> wrote > > How many times have we seen this happen before? anyone remember the > > panning the GPL *demo* got? > > > The thing is that nobody remembers such thing because the GPL demo was > received with great applause and praise, actually. Deja.com exhibits the > facts.

Absolutely! Even just the single car demo round Watkins Glen drummed up a massive amount of excitement for the game on RAS. Unfortunately for GPL, one thing Geoff Crammond gets right is his selection of Driver Aids. Even complete duffers can drive GP2/GP3. This is emphatically not the case with GPL. Add to that the modern F1 license and GP3 will outsell GPL by a massive margin:-( - Michael

Ok correction, you can learn some tracks in F1 2000 and race them in GP3, as long as each sim has the appropriate track ;) Is that better ? <G> -- Ian Parker "Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." <email invalid due to spam> Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9S3f5.3991$9%[email hidden]... > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8lhso2$dm1$[email hidden]... > > You can learn the tracks in F1 2000 and race them in GP3 <G> > > I didn't think GP3 had Indy... > > :-) > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > >