Driving in the rain

First off let me say that I OWN every game papy has ever done,I also own gp1, gp2, F1RS,F1200, Toca,and Toca2 I tried the warez version of gpl, viper racing, F1200 and now gp3.And like the games before, when GP3 hits the stores I will put my money down.I have often wondered whats it's like to ride a horse that only turns to the right....Zealots the lot of you. There is plenty of negative stuff I could say about GP3 but that's been done to death. Looks like he (GG)has become a child of a lesser God,oh well life goes on! The rain,its something else,I spent 2 hours hotlaping at Hungary last nite and I have to say it's the best rain effects yet hands down,sure the physics may not be perfect, but the look is fantastic.1280x1024 details max V5 p3 800 at 920 O at 60% no cars and 85% full field. Sim racer Extraordinaire(IMHO) Tim Yuhasz

Yes It ran much faster with single-chip selected,I was concerned at first when I was running with the fastest performance setting. Tim "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ig4f5.18876$[email hidden]... > I was wondering whether you noticed the game running faster with > "single-chip" selected in 3dfx tools, than it does with the > "fastest-performance" setting? When I select 'fastest-performance' thegame > becomes extremely slow. Not the games fault, by the way, just somethingto > do with the V5 or it's drivers. > > The rain is excellent. I love it when it's raining only on one side ofthe

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> track, and one section is totally wet but the rest is dry. Trying to > tip-toe your way through the wet bit, because you know wet tyres would be > too slow round the rest of the track. Also having to figure out when it > becomes wet enough to need Intermediates, Wets or Monsoon tyres. It adds > another dynamic to race planning and strategy and you have to be able to > think clearly whilst driving. > > I only hope this feature will be adopted by other sims in the future

(apart > from ones where it isn't in the real sport, of course). > >

Hi Simon!! How do you like your V5 so far?? I am quite enjoying mine, indeed!! Thus far I have been able to get it working for every game that I have loaded (about 15 in total) and I am achieving wonderful visuals and high fps!!! From Devon Hill in Calgary , Canada. "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ig4f5.18876$[email hidden]... > I was wondering whether you noticed the game running faster with > "single-chip" selected in 3dfx tools, than it does with the > "fastest-performance" setting? When I select 'fastest-performance' thegame > becomes extremely slow. Not the games fault, by the way, just somethingto > do with the V5 or it's drivers. > > The rain is excellent. I love it when it's raining only on one side ofthe

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> track, and one section is totally wet but the rest is dry. Trying to > tip-toe your way through the wet bit, because you know wet tyres would be > too slow round the rest of the track. Also having to figure out when it > becomes wet enough to need Intermediates, Wets or Monsoon tyres. It adds > another dynamic to race planning and strategy and you have to be able to > think clearly whilst driving. > > I only hope this feature will be adopted by other sims in the future

(apart > from ones where it isn't in the real sport, of course). > >

>Graeme, in GP3, when you take the Parabolica at full chat, >I bet you'll like it a lot. I know I do.. ;) OK, sounds good :-) 4 more days... -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

>The rain,its something else,I spent 2 hours hotlaping at Hungary last nite >and I have to say it's the best rain effects yet hands down,sure the >physics may >not be perfect, but the look is fantastic.1280x1024 details max V5 p3 800 at >920 O at 60% no cars and 85% full field. I have to say that it disappoints me somewhat that the only major positive that appears in the majority of pro-GP3 posts is the rain implementation. I haven't tried the warez and I'm not going to but I have to wonder what will happen when the novelty of wet weather racing wears off, and <gasp> what will happen when we have to race in the dry? -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

I was wondering whether you noticed the game running faster with "single-chip" selected in 3dfx tools, than it does with the "fastest-performance" setting? When I select 'fastest-performance' the game becomes extremely slow. Not the games fault, by the way, just something to do with the V5 or it's drivers. The rain is excellent. I love it when it's raining only on one side of the track, and one section is totally wet but the rest is dry. Trying to tip-toe your way through the wet bit, because you know wet tyres would be too slow round the rest of the track. Also having to figure out when it becomes wet enough to need Intermediates, Wets or Monsoon tyres. It adds another dynamic to race planning and strategy and you have to be able to think clearly whilst driving. I only hope this feature will be adopted by other sims in the future (apart from ones where it isn't in the real sport, of course).

Hi, It's extremely fast in pretty much everything. However in GP3 I have to select "single-chip" in the anti-aliasing section to get the game running the right speed. You might want to remember that if you're going to buy GP3 (as I will) on Friday. I think there might still be a few bugs in the drivers. Hopefully that'll be fixed soon. In Quake 3 Arena, it looks and runs really sweet. It's also very nice with Thief, Thief 2 and System shock 2. Also 4x FSAA looks very impressive in GPL. :) Simon. "DHill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NA4f5.98933$[email hidden]...

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> Hi Simon!! How do you like your V5 so far?? I am quite enjoying mine, > indeed!! Thus far I have been able to get it working for every game that I > have loaded (about 15 in total) and I am achieving wonderful visuals and > high fps!!! > > From Devon Hill in Calgary , Canada. > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ig4f5.18876$[email hidden]... > > I was wondering whether you noticed the game running faster with > > "single-chip" selected in 3dfx tools, than it does with the > > "fastest-performance" setting? When I select 'fastest-performance' the > game > > becomes extremely slow. Not the games fault, by the way, just something > to > > do with the V5 or it's drivers. > > > > The rain is excellent. I love it when it's raining only on one side of > the > > track, and one section is totally wet but the rest is dry. Trying to > > tip-toe your way through the wet bit, because you know wet tyres would

be > > too slow round the rest of the track. Also having to figure out when it > > becomes wet enough to need Intermediates, Wets or Monsoon tyres. Itadds

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> > another dynamic to race planning and strategy and you have to be able to > > think clearly whilst driving. > > > > I only hope this feature will be adopted by other sims in the future > (apart > > from ones where it isn't in the real sport, of course). > > > > > >

So far I have stuck to dry weather racin to learn the tracks, and thinks its a blast, quite a rush with the speeds these things can take the corners. Martyn_D Graeme Nash wrote:

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> >The rain,its something else,I spent 2 hours hotlaping at Hungary last nite > >and I have to say it's the best rain effects yet hands down,sure the > >physics may > >not be perfect, but the look is fantastic.1280x1024 details max V5 p3 800 at > >920 O at 60% no cars and 85% full field. > > I have to say that it disappoints me somewhat that the only major > positive that appears in the majority of pro-GP3 posts is the rain > implementation. > > I haven't tried the warez and I'm not going to but I have to wonder what > will happen when the novelty of wet weather racing wears off, and <gasp> > what will happen when we have to race in the dry? > > -- > Cheers! > Graeme Nash

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:19:45 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Graeme, in GP3, when you take the Parabolica at full chat, >I bet you'll like it a lot. I know I do.. ;) So you downloaded the warez version afterall? -- Nos

On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:19:45 -0500, rrevved So you downloaded the warez version afterall? -- Nos

OK, sounds good :-) 4 more days... -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Graeme, I was a bit disappointed at first when I got it, but I have fiddled about with a few settings and now it is VERY smooth and is great racing and fun to play. It needs care and attention......it is definitely an excellent game, perhaps it is not quite the excellent game we were hoping for, but one nonetheless. Also a major thing is that the default setups offer far too much grip and to get the most out of it you need to lessen the wings etc. Graeme, buy it on Friday (if you can).....I promise you will not regret it Ashley "Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... | >The rain,its something else,I spent 2 hours hotlaping at Hungary lastnite | >and I have to say it's the best rain effects yet hands down,sure the | >physics may | >not be perfect, but the look is fantastic.1280x1024 details max V5 p3 800at

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| >920 O at 60% no cars and 85% full field. | | I have to say that it disappoints me somewhat that the only major | positive that appears in the majority of pro-GP3 posts is the rain | implementation. | | I haven't tried the warez and I'm not going to but I have to wonder what | will happen when the novelty of wet weather racing wears off, and <gasp> | what will happen when we have to race in the dry? | | -- | Cheers! | Graeme Nash

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:43:58 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> thus spoke: > >Shhh.. > You hypocrite. :-) People said the AI is much better than F12K in GP3. Well, in my evaluation copy at Hockenhiem I see massive pileups in the first turn and the AI cars keep hitting me from behind too. Doesn't seem any better than F12K to me in that area. Only thing is that in F12K I can hear them behind me, which is something I really hate the lack of in GP2/3. -- Nos

Can either of you guys run with 4x FSAA on the voodoo5 in GP3 if so at what res and fps thanks

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:08:11 +0100, Graeme Nash <[email hidden]> wrote: >I have to say that it disappoints me somewhat that the only major >positive that appears in the majority of pro-GP3 posts is the rain >implementation. Hi Graeme, I visited a mate in Edinburgh last night and had my first opportunity to try GP3. Overall I concur with what a lot of people have said. Basically I enjoyed it immensely, although that was mainly because I liked GP2 so much - it was like enjoying GP2 all over again, since essentially that's what it is. The graphics, IMO, are bloody awful - they look pretty good, but the idea of having to accept such godawful slo-mo effects due to graphical overload in these days of huge slabs of silicon on graphics cards is terrible. Two cars in close proximity in the rain, _kills_ the frame rate something terrible. What I did _really_ enjoy though, was that rain. Although I did a lap or two at several tracks I did only one "race", a 100% number at Hockenheim. Coming round in fifth place to complete the first lap I noticed it looked a bit cloudy overhead. Six laps of dry running and whoops, it's spitting with rain. Slowly, laptimes begin to rise - after one or two "moments" you quickly lose the confidence to brake late! The section from "Damon Hill Kurve" down to the first chicane is dry, Ostkurve exit is a bit wet, likewise the stadium. On my next laps the stadium gets wetter and wetter, the rest of the track fairly dry. Suddenly, the stadium is awash - I'm tiptoeing my way through it, REAL gentle on the throttle and brakes, same with exit onto the first straight. The rain sweeps across the rest of the track, now the Senna chicane is very wet and the Ostkurve exit has standing water making hard acceleration round the Ostkurve itself near impossible. Laptimes soar and everyone heads for the pits. Onto hard wets and out of the pits, the circuit continues to change lap by lap - each and every lap you need to judge how it was compared to last time, how you think it will be next time and adjust your braking point accordingly. Learning a track and remembering braking points is tricky, doing it "live", under pressure, and relearning every lap is a real feat. The 'Ring must have been a nightmare! 10 laps later, now it's raining hard all over the circuit and the wets are no longer coping. I'm aquaplaning heavily under braking, and although at high speed it's okay (downforce pushing the tyre through onto the track surface?) at lower speeds the car is trying to lurch off the track until I can get up enough speed for the aerodynamics to work. This is scary. Into the pits for monsoon tyres, out again in fourth place and 36 seconds behind Schumi. Now I'm chopping lumps out of his lead 2, 3 even four seconds per lap where we ran pretty equally before. Hakkinen spins off and crashes out, Now DC is in first and on wets, Schumi second on wets, me closing the gap quickly in third in my monsoon shod car. I finally finished third, five seconds behind Schumi, having taken too much kerb into the Senna chicane and spun in my efforts to catch up. For sure this is no GPL for me, how can it be since it's GP2? However the weather alone is worth the price of admission for me - not only the effects, but the implementation of them is incredible. Lines drying as rain eases off or remaining dry as the rain arrives. Rain moving across the circuit, changing from lap to lap. Strategy changes, tyre choice - it's all excellent. On top of that is the challenge of wet weather driving. Personally I don't feel the game is finished, and from my own short try as well as the discussion I found on Deja about the Class/Flt releases being a bit dubious I subscribe to the "old beta" story. I'm glad people have downloaded the warez version as we have had unbiased opinion on it, but I don't like to waste my money downloading it, especially as it will be released here in two days :-) For all who like GP2, you will love it. For those who enjoy racing, you will love it too - the racing really is fun. For online junkies or those who love purely driving, like I said, it's no GPL. Give it a whirl, but no guarantees. I just wish it worked over the net, by Kali or whatever means :-( Even four, five or six players in a wet race would be amazing. Cheers! John

In article <ig4f5.18876$[email hidden]>, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> writes: >Also having to figure out when it >becomes wet enough to need Intermediates, Wets or Monsoon tyres. It adds >another dynamic to race planning and strategy and you have to be able to >think clearly whilst driving. That's why you have a 'pause' key...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <8lihgs$tss$[email hidden]>, "Tim Yuhasz" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>First off let me say that I OWN every game papy has ever done,I also own >gp1, gp2, F1RS,F1200, Toca,and Toca2 I tried the warez version of gpl, >viper racing, >F1200 and now gp3.And like the games before, when GP3 hits the stores I will >put my money down.I have often wondered whats it's like to ride a horse that >only turns >to the right....Zealots the lot of you.

What the hell are you talking about...? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:17:47 +0100, "CMuser@home" <[email hidden]> thus spoke: >Can either of you guys run with 4x FSAA on the voodoo5 in GP3 >if so at what res and fps > >thanks Don't know what frame rate. But, it was smooth at 640x480 4X FSAA. Didn't try higher res because I'm using a hack that gets rid of the frame rate limiter and it only works at 640x480. Usually when I run any sim with 4X FSAA I run it at 640x480, but not always. -- Nos

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:25:02 +0100, Weaver <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>Nos missed the Plonk Wars of '98, Ed, due to his "Misplacement of >Issued Hardware..." charge - he got two years inside for that. > >Perhaps we can point him to the successor up there so as to complete >his education? It's a doozy. > >Are we on a two-year PW cycle or something? :)

Do you base your online persona on the Riddler character from the Batman comics? -- Nos

A rational post in amidst the hysteria - thanks John. It would seem what GP3 lacks as a purist driving model it (more than for some?) makes up with its gameplay. It is easy to dismiss the weather as a bit of an add on to a racing sim but if done well (and by John's account it is done very well) it brings a whole new area of excitement to a race. What is more it provides great incentive to run full length races as changing circumstances can gain or lose you chunks of time. Whereas in constant conditions and without tyre management a race can become uninteresting. Whilst the drive alone cannot provide the fulfillment of GPL, perhaps the overall experience will be able to enthrall. I guess the disappointment is many expected GP3 to blow away everything else, whereas for many it is too lacking in areas of great importance for them. In some ways I think this is self inflicted rather than us being victims of hype. Every manufacturer claims their product has ground breaking physics blah blah. We (RAS) rather assumed that in 4 years something pretty darn special would be produced and we would have great AI, weather AND a state of the art physics model. Maybe next time... Tony "John Wallace" wrote ><snip>

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> > Although I did a lap or two at several tracks I did only one "race", a > 100% number at Hockenheim. Coming round in fifth place to complete the > first lap I noticed it looked a bit cloudy overhead. Six laps of dry > running and whoops, it's spitting with rain. Slowly, laptimes begin to > rise - after one or two "moments" you quickly lose the confidence to > brake late! The section from "Damon Hill Kurve" down to the first > chicane is dry, Ostkurve exit is a bit wet, likewise the stadium. On > my next laps the stadium gets wetter and wetter, the rest of the track > fairly dry. Suddenly, the stadium is awash - I'm tiptoeing my way > through it, REAL gentle on the throttle and brakes, same with exit > onto the first straight. The rain sweeps across the rest of the track, > now the Senna chicane is very wet and the Ostkurve exit has standing > water making hard acceleration round the Ostkurve itself near > impossible. Laptimes soar and everyone heads for the pits. Onto hard > wets and out of the pits, the circuit continues to change lap by lap - > each and every lap you need to judge how it was compared to last time, > how you think it will be next time and adjust your braking point > accordingly. Learning a track and remembering braking points is > tricky, doing it "live", under pressure, and relearning every lap is a > real feat. The 'Ring must have been a nightmare! > > 10 laps later, now it's raining hard all over the circuit and the wets > are no longer coping. I'm aquaplaning heavily under braking, and > although at high speed it's okay (downforce pushing the tyre through > onto the track surface?) at lower speeds the car is trying to lurch > off the track until I can get up enough speed for the aerodynamics to > work. This is scary. Into the pits for monsoon tyres, out again in > fourth place and 36 seconds behind Schumi. Now I'm chopping lumps out > of his lead 2, 3 even four seconds per lap where we ran pretty equally > before. Hakkinen spins off and crashes out, Now DC is in first and on > wets, Schumi second on wets, me closing the gap quickly in third in my > monsoon shod car. > > I finally finished third, five seconds behind Schumi, having taken too > much kerb into the Senna chicane and spun in my efforts to catch up. > For sure this is no GPL for me, how can it be since it's GP2? However > the weather alone is worth the price of admission for me - not only > the effects, but the implementation of them is incredible. Lines > drying as rain eases off or remaining dry as the rain arrives. Rain > moving across the circuit, changing from lap to lap. Strategy changes, > tyre choice - it's all excellent. On top of that is the challenge of > wet weather driving. > > Personally I don't feel the game is finished, and from my own short > try as well as the discussion I found on Deja about the Class/Flt > releases being a bit dubious I subscribe to the "old beta" story. I'm > glad people have downloaded the warez version as we have had unbiased > opinion on it, but I don't like to waste my money downloading it, > especially as it will be released here in two days :-) > > For all who like GP2, you will love it. For those who enjoy racing, > you will love it too - the racing really is fun. For online junkies or > those who love purely driving, like I said, it's no GPL. Give it a > whirl, but no guarantees. > > I just wish it worked over the net, by Kali or whatever means :-( > Even four, five or six players in a wet race would be amazing. > > Cheers! > John

ROTFLMAO : ) Thanks Regards Mike On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:43:35 +0100, "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote: >YoumeanI'veremovedmyspace-bartoaddtotherealism:)

In article <[email hidden]>, John Wallace <[email hidden]> writes: >I just wish it worked over the net, by Kali or whatever means :-( >Even four, five or six players in a wet race would be amazing. > >Cheers! >John Can you say, cluster****? I *thought* you could...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've removed my space-bar to add to the realism. ;)

ROTFLMAO : ) Thanks Regards Mike >YoumeanI'veremovedmyspace-bartoaddtotherealism:)

I've removed my space-bar to add to the realism. ;) > That's why you have a 'pause' key...<g> > > Eldred

YoumeanI'veremovedmyspace-bartoaddtotherealism:) -- Ian Parker "Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." <email invalid due to spam> Simon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:izYf5.2103$[email hidden]... > I've removed my space-bar to add to the realism. ;) > > > That's why you have a 'pause' key...<g> > > > > Eldred > > >