Re: GPL:Silverstone help.

You might check out the track guide at http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com It includes a replay of 1:27.xx. In article <8lm86f$39o$[email hidden]>, "argh!" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Hello, > Still trying to get my GPLRank hdc down, so > where could one find replays for Silverstone? (Lotus / Eagle / any). > > Cannot find any from Schubis any more ('file not found'). > > I have one from G.Huttu (1.26.xx with honda) but that is just too

fast for > me. > All I can see in replay analyzer when comparing to him, that he isfast and

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> I'm not :( > I can do steady 1.30.xx (xx=20 - 50) lap by lap by lap, but that's it. > I would very much like to break 1.30 but obviously I need to change > something, because > just more laps just doesn't seem to give me any more speed (eh...?). > > Guys with quite similar pb:s on other tracks can do 1.28.xx there, so

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> might be just doing something wrong. > > So. > Anyone? > > -- > Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank +10.91 > <-- > (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) > --> > >

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Hello, Still trying to get my GPLRank hdc down, so where could one find replays for Silverstone? (Lotus / Eagle / any). Cannot find any from Schubis any more ('file not found'). I have one from G.Huttu (1.26.xx with honda) but that is just too fast for me. All I can see in replay analyzer when comparing to him, that he is fast and I'm not :( I can do steady 1.30.xx (xx=20 - 50) lap by lap by lap, but that's it. I would very much like to break 1.30 but obviously I need to change something, because just more laps just doesn't seem to give me any more speed (eh...?). Guys with quite similar pb:s on other tracks can do 1.28.xx there, so I might be just doing something wrong. So. Anyone? -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank +10.91 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lmk1o$dh5$[email hidden]... > You might check out the track guide at > http://lightsoutracing.simplenet.com It includes a replay of 1:27.xx. Hey, thanks a bunch! New site to me. Lot's of info. Thanks! -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank +10.91 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

Those three left-hand kinks are the ones you need to work on the most. The second two especially. Very hard to get right. I've been beating my head against Silverstone for months now and only once in my trusty old Ferrari did I break 1:30 (1:29.99!). I got several 1:29's in the Lotus once, but since I'm not a Lotus freak I didn't feel I had really broken any actual barrier. -- ----------------------------------- Morgan Vincent Wooten GPLRank: +31.07 mailto:[email hidden] http://members.tripod.com/~morganv/ ----------------------------------- argh! <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lm86f$39o$[email hidden]... > Hello, > Still trying to get my GPLRank hdc down, so > where could one find replays for Silverstone? (Lotus / Eagle / any). > > Cannot find any from Schubis any more ('file not found'). > > I have one from G.Huttu (1.26.xx with honda) but that is just too fast for > me. > All I can see in replay analyzer when comparing to him, that he is fast and > I'm not :( > I can do steady 1.30.xx (xx=20 - 50) lap by lap by lap, but that's it. > I would very much like to break 1.30 but obviously I need to change > something, because > just more laps just doesn't seem to give me any more speed (eh...?). > > Guys with quite similar pb:s on other tracks can do 1.28.xx there, so I > might be just doing something wrong. > > So. > Anyone? > > -- > Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank +10.91 > <-- > (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) > --> > > > >

Hi argh! ;-) Silverstone is a track I like a lot (especially in races, but even in hotlapping). I have a best of 1:28.4, but that was a bit of a fluke.I can, though, do steady 1:29.5s or thereabouts, and this may help you: Assuming you're starting a hotlap, stay in 5th until after the bridge, Brake hard down to 2nd. If you can, trailbrake a bit around the sharp right-hander, which induces a helpful small slide. Get on the power early, and drift over to the r-h side of the track, almost to the grass. The l-h kink here is taken in 4th, with a smallish lift. Then accelerate again until *just* after the start of the braking area (ie the dark line). Round the r-h in 2nd, then up to 3rd for a short bit, before changing down again for the l-h kink. Along the Hangar straight now in 5th. Wait until a fair way into the "braking zone" before actually braking. If you look carefully, there's a slight change in tone of the stripe a little way in, and that's where I brake. Round the tight right hander in 2nd, but be careful as it's easy to knock the wall. Up to 4th for the short straight. Brake just before the small crowd on the left, and go down to 2nd for the right-hander. Up to 4th along the short straight, then down to 3rd for the left-hand kink. Up to 5th along the straight. Don't brake until the start of the actual corner, which you can take in a highish 3rd gear at about 110mph. Be careful with your accelerating here, as it's easy to spin. That's a lap! -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -2.05) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote > (lots of helpful stuff clipped) > Thanks David, I got a 1:29.11 ! But no consistency yet. The second lefthander is a place where I loose it too often (slide veeeery wide to the grass. If you see someone there in VROC race, it's probably me :-) BTW. My ISP (or it's news server) is not very consistent either. I get some messages very delayed (like this I'm replying), and I think some does not arrive at all. -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank +6.85 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

I presume you mean the left-hander onto the hangar straight. I would say the key is a good exit, so take an earlier apex, then feed in the throttle quite quickly to drift the car through. This does take a bit of practice, especially getting the turn-in point spot-on, but that's GPL for you :-) With the right gear ratios, you can do this in 3rd, and you'll be at peak revs just shortly after straightening out, ready to change up to 4th. -- -Ace- (GPLRank +0.29) argh! <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lvdp6$3a1$[email hidden]... > Thanks David, I got a 1:29.11 ! > But no consistency yet. > The second lefthander is a place where I loose it too often (slide veeeery > wide to the grass. > If you see someone there in VROC race, it's probably me :-)

On Sun 30 Jul 2000 05:35:21pm, Ace wrote: <snip> >If your laptimes are almost identical >using either gear on the exit, I would be of the opinion that you >could save yourself the extra shifts, but, then again, you're a few >tenths quicker than my best lap, so maybe I'm wrong As I said above, it makes almost no odds in terms of laptime. So I use 3rd when hotlapping; but in races, I often use 2nd to outgun someone at the start of the straight. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

On Sun 30 Jul 2000 09:02:05pm, EldredP wrote: <snip> >GPL hcp. +60.31<snip> Going in the right direction, I see :-) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes:

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>On Sun 30 Jul 2000 05:20:15am, EldredP wrote: > >>In article <[email hidden]>, >>[email hidden] (David Buttery) writes: >> >>>As far as gears for each corner go, this is what I do (taken from >>>my fastest lap of 1:28.41): >>> >> >>I'm in the same gears as you are. My PB is 1:31.57, in the Ferrari. >> Which car do you use? > >The Lotus, of course :-) It's *far* faster than anything else around >Silverstone. >

Argh. Aren't green cars supposed to be bad luck???<g> It is for ME. I can't drive the damn thing - it's like a wild animal that just wants me OFF... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +60.31 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Sun 30 Jul 2000 05:20:15am, EldredP wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (David Buttery) writes: > >>As far as gears for each corner go, this is what I do (taken from >>my fastest lap of 1:28.41): >> > >I'm in the same gears as you are. My PB is 1:31.57, in the Ferrari. > Which car do you use?

The Lotus, of course :-) It's *far* faster than anything else around Silverstone. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

On Sun 30 Jul 2000 12:08:05am, Ace wrote: >I presume you mean the left-hander onto the hangar straight. (Chapel)

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>I would >say the key is a good exit, so take an earlier apex, then feed in >the throttle quite quickly to drift the car through. This does take >a bit of practice, especially getting the turn-in point spot-on, but >that's GPL for you :-) With the right gear ratios, you can do this >in 3rd, and you'll be at peak revs just shortly after straightening >out, ready to change up to 4th.

Interesting. With the setup I use, the ideal speed is right on the bounndary between a highish 2nd gear and a lower 3rd. Using 3rd gives more stability, so that's what I use in races when not under pressure; but using 2nd allows better acceleration. My laptimes with either version are almost identical. As far as gears for each corner go, this is what I do (taken from my fastest lap of 1:28.41): (Start) 4/5/4/3/2 (Copse) 3/4 (Maggotts) 3/2 (Becketts) 3/2 (Chapel) 3/4/5/4/3/2 (Stowe) 3/4/3/2 (Club) 3/4/3 (Abbey) 4/5/4/3 (Woodcote) 4 (Finish) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes: >As far as gears for each corner go, this is what I do (taken from my >fastest lap of 1:28.41): > I'm in the same gears as you are. My PB is 1:31.57, in the Ferrari. Which car do you use? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +61.25 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ace <[email hidden]> wrote > I presume you mean the left-hander onto the hangar straight. Yep. (one, two, hmm... three! Ok, now I can count. ;-) > I would say the > key is a good exit, so take an earlier apex, then feed in the throttlequite > quickly to drift the car through. This does take a bit of practice, > especially getting the turn-in point spot-on, but that's GPL for you :-) Couldn't say this any better! I'm quite happy with my performance at Silverstone now after couple of days. (I haven't set the bar for me too high :). It was one of the first tracks I started to like, but I was a bit surprised how hard it got when I saw some of the fastest times there and started to improve. I felt almost the opposite with Zandwoort. First I was not so keen to drive there and I was very slow and felt the track to be hard, but when I wanted to improve my time and made my self go there and started practising (and viewing some replays) it somehow just 'came to me'. Suddenly I could do low 1:27's while having my previous pb over 1:29 done in lucky lap. Now I can race you there online anytime! Okay, let's see what we have next... Oh yes. Mosport! I think you could say "This does take a bit of practice, but that's GPL for you :-)" about this one too :-] -- Jyrki Laine ; GPLRank +6.14 <-- (No electrons were harmed in production of this message) -->

<snip>. I'd have preffered that offer when you were still doing 1:29s <vbg> -- -Ace- (GPLRank +0.29)

<snip> <snip> Going in the right direction, I see :-) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

The Lotus *is* a wild animal.... Jon Andersen

David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote >

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> (Chapel) > > Interesting. With the setup I use, the ideal speed is right on the > bounndary between a highish 2nd gear and a lower 3rd. Using 3rd gives > more stability, so that's what I use in races when not under pressure; > but using 2nd allows better acceleration. My laptimes with either > version are almost identical. >

<snipped> I am of the opinion that the fewer gearshifts you need to make, the better. For starters, it saves the gearbox (although I don't know how extensively, if at all, gearbox wear & tear is modelled), and secondly, the extra upshift may lose you some time (albeit not much). That's why I use 3rd. If your laptimes are almost identical using either gear on the exit, I would be of the opinion that you could save yourself the extra shifts, but, then again, you're a few tenths quicker than my best lap, so maybe I'm wrong -- -Ace- (GPLRank +0.29)

argh! <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8m0b7q$b8a$[email hidden]... <snip>.

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> I felt almost the opposite with Zandwoort. > First I was not so keen to drive there and I was very slow and felt the > track to be hard, > but when I wanted to improve my time and made my self go there and started > practising (and viewing some replays) it > somehow just 'came to me'. > Suddenly I could do low 1:27's while having my previous pb over 1:29 done

in > lucky lap. > Now I can race you there online anytime! I'd have preffered that offer when you were still doing 1:29s <vbg> -- -Ace- (GPLRank +0.29)

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote > Argh. Aren't green cars supposed to be bad luck???<g> It is for ME. I can't > drive the damn thing - it's like a wild animal that just wants me OFF... > > Eldred > --Why not download the '68 Gold Leaf Lotus paintjob from GPLSF? No green in sight <vbg> -- -Ace- (GPLRank-0.34)

> Argh. Aren't green cars supposed to be bad luck???<g> It is for ME. Ican't > drive the damn thing - it's like a wild animal that just wants me OFF... > > Eldred The Lotus *is* a wild animal.... Jon Andersen

On 30 Jul 2000 20:02:05 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) mangled uncounted electrons thus: <snip> >Argh. Aren't green cars supposed to be bad luck???<g> <EG> That might explain Jaguar's current lack of form... Or not... ^_- Martin D. Pay OT for this thread...

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (David Buttery) writes:

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>On Sun 30 Jul 2000 09:02:05pm, EldredP wrote: > ><snip> >>GPL hcp. +60.31 ><snip> > >Going in the right direction, I see :-) >

Hehe... I knocked off 8 seconds at the Ring. The rest, I believe, is just from using left-foot braking. I'm assuming I'm just saving the time changing pedals. So, I've beat several of my PBs, but by less than a second each. I haven't yet had that 'epiphany' that will let me drop huge chunks of time... :( That's even with driving for most of the weekend... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.