Re: Proof of warez GP3 *NOT* Final Gold?

In article <JCrf5.5562$9%[email hidden]>, "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> writes: >Isn't this like the 3rd or 4th time you posted this? You are >becoming as annoying as I am with your spamming :-) I dunno - that's the first time *I've* seen his argument...<shrug> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:59:38 +0100, Alan <[email hidden]> wrote: >If this point has been covered before by someone else, what was the >summary as to ppl's feelings about the file dates? The summary is that should the "final" indeed be different, lots of people will simply download it again on Friday.

<lot of warez speak snipped> Whatever. Games are pretty much locked down once they go beta. Only bugfixes and minor stuff go in after then. - Michael

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:02:32 +0200, Jan Loebzien <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:59:38 +0100, Alan <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>If this point has been covered before by someone else, what was the >>summary as to ppl's feelings about the file dates? > >The summary is that should the "final" indeed be different, >lots of people will simply download it again on Friday.

And wasted download it will be...there will be no magical change in the copies people have now than Friday:)

Isn't this like the 3rd or 4th time you posted this? You are becoming as annoying as I am with your spamming :-) -- [email hidden] "Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you look at the 'modified' date for the data files in the circuits > directory, They all state (in my copy at least) 16/07/00 > > If the game went gold on the 13/07/00 then how/why were the circuits > modified 3 days later, the answer?: > > Class 'touched' or modified the files (Touch is a utility to change > file modified dates). > > Now why would the piratez need to modify the circuit data? Surely not > for anti-warez protection? > > Now look at the modified dates for the jams, the majority (but not all) > are for 03/07/00 > and all dates/times differ only by a matter of minutes. and 2 Jam files > have 14/07/00 file mod date (suzgras1.jam & suzedge1.jam) > again 1 day after going gold. > > My opinion, and thats all this is, is that the piratez cocked up and > didn't set the clock correctly when modifying the circuit file dates, > and the reason they modified these files because there age probably gave > away there true age. > > Funny how the readme also is modified 17/07/00, covering tracks again? > > BTW, to the ppl that think that the Version 1.00 in the about screen is > full proof of warez=final then go find out abouit Adobe premiere 5.5 > > It doesn't exsist outside piracy, yet suckers who got it from warez > sites tell everyone that proof that its 'official' is the fact that the > splash screen, about box, readme and even the help file ALL state ver > 5.5, yet you won't find a single word about 5.5 at adobe. > > > Of course we'll all know on friday. > > Alan

If you look at the 'modified' date for the data files in the circuits directory, They all state (in my copy at least) 16/07/00 If the game went gold on the 13/07/00 then how/why were the circuits modified 3 days later, the answer?: Class 'touched' or modified the files (Touch is a utility to change file modified dates). Now why would the piratez need to modify the circuit data? Surely not for anti-warez protection? Now look at the modified dates for the jams, the majority (but not all) are for 03/07/00 and all dates/times differ only by a matter of minutes. and 2 Jam files have 14/07/00 file mod date (suzgras1.jam & suzedge1.jam) again 1 day after going gold. My opinion, and thats all this is, is that the piratez cocked up and didn't set the clock correctly when modifying the circuit file dates, and the reason they modified these files because there age probably gave away there true age. Funny how the readme also is modified 17/07/00, covering tracks again? BTW, to the ppl that think that the Version 1.00 in the about screen is full proof of warez=final then go find out abouit Adobe premiere 5.5 It doesn't exsist outside piracy, yet suckers who got it from warez sites tell everyone that proof that its 'official' is the fact that the splash screen, about box, readme and even the help file ALL state ver 5.5, yet you won't find a single word about 5.5 at adobe. Of course we'll all know on friday. Alan

Erm..Got me mixed up with someone else methinks,Do a search a deja if you have to, but I think you will find that this has been my first and ONLY EVER post to r.a.s. If this point has been covered before by someone else, what was the summary as to ppl's feelings about the file dates? Alan. Greg Cisko wrote:

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> > Isn't this like the 3rd or 4th time you posted this? You are > becoming as annoying as I am with your spamming :-) > > -- > > [email hidden] > > "Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > If you look at the 'modified' date for the data files in the circuits > > directory, They all state (in my copy at least) 16/07/00 > > > > If the game went gold on the 13/07/00 then how/why were the circuits > > modified 3 days later, the answer?: > > > > Class 'touched' or modified the files (Touch is a utility to change > > file modified dates). > > > > Now why would the piratez need to modify the circuit data? Surely not > > for anti-warez protection? > > > > Now look at the modified dates for the jams, the majority (but not all) > > are for 03/07/00 > > and all dates/times differ only by a matter of minutes. and 2 Jam files > > have 14/07/00 file mod date (suzgras1.jam & suzedge1.jam) > > again 1 day after going gold. > > > > My opinion, and thats all this is, is that the piratez cocked up and > > didn't set the clock correctly when modifying the circuit file dates, > > and the reason they modified these files because there age probably gave > > away there true age. > > > > Funny how the readme also is modified 17/07/00, covering tracks again? > > > > BTW, to the ppl that think that the Version 1.00 in the about screen is > > full proof of warez=final then go find out abouit Adobe premiere 5.5 > > > > It doesn't exsist outside piracy, yet suckers who got it from warez > > sites tell everyone that proof that its 'official' is the fact that the > > splash screen, about box, readme and even the help file ALL state ver > > 5.5, yet you won't find a single word about 5.5 at adobe. > > > > > > Of course we'll all know on friday. > > > > Alan

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:50:49 +0100, Alan <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>If you look at the 'modified' date for the data files in the circuits >directory, They all state (in my copy at least) 16/07/00 > >If the game went gold on the 13/07/00 then how/why were the circuits >modified 3 days later, the answer?: > > Class 'touched' or modified the files (Touch is a utility to change >file modified dates). > >Now why would the piratez need to modify the circuit data? Surely not >for anti-warez protection? > >Now look at the modified dates for the jams, the majority (but not all) >are for 03/07/00 >and all dates/times differ only by a matter of minutes. and 2 Jam files >have 14/07/00 file mod date (suzgras1.jam & suzedge1.jam) >again 1 day after going gold. > >My opinion, and thats all this is, is that the piratez cocked up and >didn't set the clock correctly when modifying the circuit file dates, >and the reason they modified these files because there age probably gave >away there true age. > >Funny how the readme also is modified 17/07/00, covering tracks again? > >BTW, to the ppl that think that the Version 1.00 in the about screen is >full proof of warez=final then go find out abouit Adobe premiere 5.5 > >It doesn't exsist outside piracy, yet suckers who got it from warez >sites tell everyone that proof that its 'official' is the fact that the >splash screen, about box, readme and even the help file ALL state ver >5.5, yet you won't find a single word about 5.5 at adobe. > > >Of course we'll all know on friday. > >Alan

Although I really, really, REALLY hope that the realease version of GP3 is much better than the warez release, I think people are deluding themselves if they think the "final" will be any kind of sunstantial improvement over this.

Not that I have it, of course, but a mate of mine at BHMS got his retail copy today: The warez version's the release versin. -- Colin Harris ColinHarris in N3/NL and VROC Bomber Racing: http://fullspeed.to/Bomber ICQ 25485061 Alan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you look at the 'modified' date for the data files in the circuits > directory, They all state (in my copy at least) 16/07/00

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:55:00 +0100, MichaelJP <[email hidden]> wrote:

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><lot of warez speak snipped> > >Whatever. > >Games are pretty much locked down once they go beta. Only bugfixes and >minor stuff go in after then. > >- Michael

Yep. I downloaded the ISO, it's exactly the same as the warez version. Andre

Not true. David G Fisher

Either way, whether it's the final or not, if you are expecting massive changes for the full release, you are most likely only setting yourself up for dissapointment.

"Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Erm..Got me mixed up with someone else methinks,Do a search a deja if > you have to, but I think you will find that this has been my first and > ONLY EVER post to r.a.s. > > If this point has been covered before by someone else, what was the > summary as to ppl's feelings about the file dates? The final verdict will be that this warez version is indeed the version everyone will find in the box. -- [email hidden]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:23:34 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Either way, whether it's the final or not, if you are expecting massive >changes for the full release, you are most likely only setting yourself up >for dissapointment. > f1-2000 was quite an impovement on the beta i remember tho.. Rich

Wrong, No disappointment coming here, I'm already happy with it, You see I wasn't party to the hype, only really subbed to r.a.s. to see other opinions and get urls for mods etc. ( I wanna see my Willams in Compaq white damnit! not red!) It runs a dream on my PIII 650 at 1024/768 res. No bugs encountered yet, (2 40 lap races completed) Took some configuration to get rid of the 'on rails' feeling, but as soon as I reduced 'steering help to 0%' & upped the lock to 20 Deg. in Controller setup (*not* the driving aid! - Makes a HUGE diff. IMHO) and got my Ferrari FF working. It may not be GPL, but then I have too much of a Real Life to get on with to take gaming that seriously. My major gripe though, getting round the track with 3 wheels and then pitting for 10.2 secs and having all damage repaired, This I think proves that GP3 is a sim only in the marketing depts sense of the word. Neat driving GAME though. Alan Simon Brown wrote: > > Either way, whether it's the final or not, if you are expecting massive > changes for the full release, you are most likely only setting yourself up > for dissapointment.

Alan, he didn't say that nobody would like it. What he said was that if you were currently not happy with the warez version and are expecting the final version to be much better, you will not be pleased. However, lots of people do enjoy the warez version and will continue to like the final version. -- Man O' Silver Alan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Wrong, No disappointment coming here, I'm already happy with it, > > You see I wasn't party to the hype, only really subbed to r.a.s. to see > other opinions and get urls for mods etc. ( I wanna see my Willams in > Compaq white damnit! not red!) > > It runs a dream on my PIII 650 at 1024/768 res. > No bugs encountered yet, (2 40 lap races completed) > > Took some configuration to get rid of the 'on rails' feeling, but as > soon as I reduced 'steering help to 0%' & upped the lock to 20 Deg. in > Controller setup (*not* the driving aid! - Makes a HUGE diff. IMHO) and > got my Ferrari FF working. > > It may not be GPL, but then I have too much of a Real Life to get on > with to take gaming that seriously. > > > My major gripe though, getting round the track with 3 wheels and then > pitting for 10.2 secs and having all damage repaired, This I think > proves that GP3 is a sim only in the marketing depts sense of the word. > > Neat driving GAME though. > > Alan > Simon Brown wrote: > > > > Either way, whether it's the final or not, if you are expecting massive > > changes for the full release, you are most likely only setting yourself up > > for dissapointment.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:22:15 +0200 Rich <[email hidden]> wrote: % f1-2000 was quite an impovement on the beta i remember tho.. Actually I think the warez was an alpha and the release was a beta (and still is in beta stage)..... They may have called it "beta" but it acted like a "alpha" and while they say the released copy is an omega..... it's a long way from that... -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I should have read more clearly, point taken :) Alan. Man O' Silver wrote:

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> > Alan, he didn't say that nobody would like it. What he said was that if you > were currently not happy with the warez version and are expecting the final > version to be much better, you will not be pleased. However, lots of people > do enjoy the warez version and will continue to like the final version. > > -- > Man O' Silver > > Alan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Wrong, No disappointment coming here, I'm already happy with it, > > > > You see I wasn't party to the hype, only really subbed to r.a.s. to see > > other opinions and get urls for mods etc. ( I wanna see my Willams in > > Compaq white damnit! not red!) > > > > It runs a dream on my PIII 650 at 1024/768 res. > > No bugs encountered yet, (2 40 lap races completed) > > > > Took some configuration to get rid of the 'on rails' feeling, but as > > soon as I reduced 'steering help to 0%' & upped the lock to 20 Deg. in > > Controller setup (*not* the driving aid! - Makes a HUGE diff. IMHO) and > > got my Ferrari FF working. > > > > It may not be GPL, but then I have too much of a Real Life to get on > > with to take gaming that seriously. > > > > > > My major gripe though, getting round the track with 3 wheels and then > > pitting for 10.2 secs and having all damage repaired, This I think > > proves that GP3 is a sim only in the marketing depts sense of the word. > > > > Neat driving GAME though. > > > > Alan > > Simon Brown wrote: > > > > > > Either way, whether it's the final or not, if you are expecting massive > > > changes for the full release, you are most likely only setting yourself > up > > > for dissapointment.

Not true. David G Fisher "MichaelJP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> <lot of warez speak snipped> > > Whatever. > > Games are pretty much locked down once they go beta. Only bugfixes and > minor stuff go in after then. > > - Michael

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:30:19 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> mangled uncounted electrons thus: >:) No worries. I'm also pretty happy with the game overall. The physics >aren't exactly GPL standard, but that makes a nice change for those times >you just can't face another 3 hours driving round the Ring. Oy vey! Again with the Ring!! Martin D. Pay Been there, done that... ^_-

David G Fisher wrote in message <8rGf5.66081$A%[email hidden]>... >Not true. Usually true, and early indications (some UK people have the full copy already) suggest that it's true in this case. Bendito;

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LeXf5.1889$[email hidden]... > The game is now released in the UK, and the warez version is the final. Who or what are you replying to? Or is this simply an editorial statement? -- [email hidden]

The game is now released in the UK, and the warez version is the final.

:) No worries. I'm also pretty happy with the game overall. The physics aren't exactly GPL standard, but that makes a nice change for those times you just can't face another 3 hours driving round the Ring. "Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I should have read more clearly, point taken :) > > Alan. > > Man O' Silver wrote: > > > > Alan, he didn't say that nobody would like it. What he said was that if

you > > were currently not happy with the warez version and are expecting thefinal > > version to be much better, you will not be pleased. However, lots ofpeople

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> > do enjoy the warez version and will continue to like the final version. > > > > -- > > Man O' Silver > > > > Alan <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Wrong, No disappointment coming here, I'm already happy with it, > > > > > > You see I wasn't party to the hype, only really subbed to r.a.s. to

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> > > other opinions and get urls for mods etc. ( I wanna see my Willams in > > > Compaq white damnit! not red!) > > > > > > It runs a dream on my PIII 650 at 1024/768 res. > > > No bugs encountered yet, (2 40 lap races completed) > > > > > > Took some configuration to get rid of the 'on rails' feeling, but as > > > soon as I reduced 'steering help to 0%' & upped the lock to 20 Deg. in > > > Controller setup (*not* the driving aid! - Makes a HUGE diff. IMHO)

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> > > got my Ferrari FF working. > > > > > > It may not be GPL, but then I have too much of a Real Life to get on > > > with to take gaming that seriously. > > > > > > > > > My major gripe though, getting round the track with 3 wheels and then > > > pitting for 10.2 secs and having all damage repaired, This I think > > > proves that GP3 is a sim only in the marketing depts sense of the

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> > > > > > Neat driving GAME though. > > > > > > Alan > > > Simon Brown wrote: > > > > > > > > Either way, whether it's the final or not, if you are expecting

massive > > > > changes for the full release, you are most likely only settingyourself > > up > > > > for dissapointment.

Sorry about that. It's a bad habit i've gotten into, deleting the text from the message I'm replying to. Of course, it looks right on my PC cause it's indented once from the original message. "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fAXf5.8604$9%[email hidden]...

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> "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:LeXf5.1889$[email hidden]... > > The game is now released in the UK, and the warez version is the final. > > Who or what are you replying to? Or is this simply an editorial > statement? > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > >