Anyone here like digging out the old 1st generation pentium box, blowing off
the dust and firin' her up for some old racing games? I decided to do that
last week and actually had some fun with Nascar2 (DOS), Nascar1, Need For
Speed SE, and the surprisingly fun Network Q RAC Rally Championship (1996)
by Virgin Interactive....all running on Windows 95 and Dos. Hmm maybe I have
just too dam much time on my hands lol..
Running old racing sims on retro or modern PCs
LuvrSmel described firing up an old Pentium to play NASCAR Racing, Need for Speed and Network Q RAC Rally. Others recommended DOSBox with D-Fend, VirtualBox, CPU slowdown tools and the GPL 2004 demo fix for running classics on modern machines. The thread ended in an argument about the power use of old versus modern computers.
Automated summary.
> Need For Speed SE
Some videos:
http://jeffareid.net/nfs1/n1rsld.wmv
http://jeffareid.net/nfs1/n1ttld.wmv
http://jeffareid.net/nfs1/n1lvwp.wmv
lol thanks for videos! I love that patch and that track on the third one.
I was just playing that one yesterday...
"jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Need For Speed SE > > Some videos: > > http://jeffareid.net/nfs1/n1rsld.wmv > > http://jeffareid.net/nfs1/n1ttld.wmv > > http://jeffareid.net/nfs1/n1lvwp.wmv > > >I'm just about to EBay a system I put together just for old sims. PIII
600, VooDoo 5 video, Windows 98, Saitek X36 (?) HOTAS, Longbow and
Falcon 4.0 (1.08) loaded on it...
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>On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:40:49 -0600, "Luvrsmel" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Anyone here like digging out the old 1st generation pentium box, blowing off >the dust and firin' her up for some old racing games? I decided to do that >last week and actually had some fun with Nascar2 (DOS), Nascar1, Need For >Speed SE, and the surprisingly fun Network Q RAC Rally Championship (1996) >by Virgin Interactive....all running on Windows 95 and Dos. Hmm maybe I have >just too dam much time on my hands lol.. >
> You don't have to build a "retro" pc to play old games, just download two programs, one called dosbox and the other called D-Fend (both are freeware). Dosbox will emulate an older pc on any modern pc, but its a bit clunky, especially if you have forgotten all those old dos commands, so D-Fend is a windows friendly frontend program for Dosbox.
Luvrsmel wrote:
Dosbox and DFend are your friends.....
8-)
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> Anyone here like digging out the old 1st generation pentium box, blowing off > the dust and firin' her up for some old racing games? I decided to do that > last week and actually had some fun with Nascar2 (DOS), Nascar1, Need For > Speed SE, and the surprisingly fun Network Q RAC Rally Championship (1996) > by Virgin Interactive....all running on Windows 95 and Dos. Hmm maybe I have > just too dam much time on my hands lol.. > > >> You don't have to build a "retro" pc to play old games,
> just download two programs, one called dosbox and the other called D-Fend
There's also the free Microsoft virtual PC that runs other operating systems
insice a virtual machine such as Windows 98 SE (you'll need a copy of
of Windows 98 to install it). The virtual PC has a virtual floppy and cd-rom
and images for these are avaliable like boot floppy image to install Windows 98.
The issue with virtual PC is there is no USB support, so USB based
controllers don't work. I don't know about DOSBOX. Also when I tried Need
For Speed Special Edition, the frame rates from the Windows 95 version were
less than 1 per second, and the DOS version didn't work at all).
Does DOSBOX allow the USB controllers to work?
"Luvrsmel" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Not really. Cars feel glued to the tracks compared to today's sims.
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> Anyone here like digging out the old 1st generation pentium box, > blowing off the dust and firin' her up for some old racing games? I > decided to do that last week and actually had some fun with Nascar2 > (DOS), Nascar1, Need For Speed SE, and the surprisingly fun Network Q > RAC Rally Championship (1996) by Virgin Interactive....all running on > Windows 95 and Dos. Hmm maybe I have just too dam much time on my > hands lol.. > >Adamo Contadino wrote:
Net Q RAC rally (once the grip patch had been applied) was a great rally
sim.
Obviously GPL was great too. Wow, has it really been TEN years since it
was launched?
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> "Luvrsmel" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:U6vDk.6103$[email hidden]: > > >> Anyone here like digging out the old 1st generation pentium box, >> blowing off the dust and firin' her up for some old racing games? I >> decided to do that last week and actually had some fun with Nascar2 >> (DOS), Nascar1, Need For Speed SE, and the surprisingly fun Network Q >> RAC Rally Championship (1996) by Virgin Interactive....all running on >> Windows 95 and Dos. Hmm maybe I have just too dam much time on my >> hands lol.. >> >> >> > > Not really. Cars feel glued to the tracks compared to today's sims. >
> Does DOSBOX allow the USB controllers to work?
AFAIK dosbox will allow any attached controller to be used (via the DFend
frontend program which has many, many options which can be tweaked)
Give Sun VirtualBox a try. Faster than VirtualPC, AND it supports USB,
etc... And it's free now :)
I installed Ubuntu on it in about 15 min.
-Larry
"jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> You don't have to build a "retro" pc to play old games, >> just download two programs, one called dosbox and the other called D-Fend > > There's also the free Microsoft virtual PC that runs other operating > systems > insice a virtual machine such as Windows 98 SE (you'll need a copy of > of Windows 98 to install it). The virtual PC has a virtual floppy and > cd-rom > and images for these are avaliable like boot floppy image to install > Windows 98. > > The issue with virtual PC is there is no USB support, so USB based > controllers don't work. I don't know about DOSBOX. Also when I tried Need > For Speed Special Edition, the frame rates from the Windows 95 version > were > less than 1 per second, and the DOS version didn't work at all). > > Does DOSBOX allow the USB controllers to work? > > >pjgtech <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Rl1Ek.81087$KV1.72325
@newsfe25.ams2:
> Net Q RAC rally (once the grip patch had been applied) was a great rally
> sim.
Is that the British one that we call Mobil1 Rally over here? I have that
one if it is what you are talking about.
"Luvrsmel" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:U6vDk.6103$[email hidden]:
Actually for adjustability (real word?) and realism, Viper Racing beats
GPL IMHO. The only limitation really is the state of the add-ons - buggy
and not very good. It's 16 bit graphics though. Try Sports Car GT too if
you have a GL card. Viper *really* needs over 200Mhz to work half decently
though.
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> Anyone here like digging out the old 1st generation pentium box, blowing > off the dust and firin' her up for some old racing games? I decided to > do that last week and actually had some fun with Nascar2 (DOS), Nascar1, > Need For Speed SE, and the surprisingly fun Network Q RAC Rally > Championship (1996) by Virgin Interactive....all running on Windows 95 > and Dos. Hmm maybe I have just too dam much time on my hands lol.. >
"GaryR" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I'm just about to EBay a system I put together just for old sims. PIII
> 600, VooDoo 5 video, Windows 98, Saitek X36 (?) HOTAS, Longbow and
> Falcon 4.0 (1.08) loaded on it...
Better make sure the caps are good (Rubycon's) or you will most likely be
getting a NEG for your efforts.
"pjgtech" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
>> You don't have to build a "retro" pc to play old games, just download two
>> programs, one called dosbox and the other called D-Fend (both are
>> freeware). Dosbox will emulate an older pc on any modern pc, but its a
>> bit clunky, especially if you have forgotten all those old dos commands,
>> so D-Fend is a windows friendly frontend program for Dosbox.
A posting line wrap could be your friend.
I know of several games that won't work on any processor that is faster than
500-600MHz.
Some games will just freak out running on a faster processor than they were
coded for.
GPL is one & then there is the DirectX issue.
"murph1012" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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GPL has fixes for both those issues. Also, there are utilities that will
slow down your cpu to make any game playable on them. Search fro CPUGrab on
google and Winthrottle. Higher values in CPUGrab means it uses more of the
cpu so will slow it down more.
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> A posting line wrap could be your friend. > > I know of several games that won't work on any processor that is > faster than 500-600MHz. > Some games will just freak out running on a faster processor than they > were coded for. > GPL is one & then there is the DirectX issue. > > >
"Adamo Contadino" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes that is the British one...the real live event.
I'm running it on an AMD K5/233 MHz system, a 4mb Rage II card, IBM Mwave
ISA audio, 64mb simms and it runs very well.
The cars lean into the corners, you have bumper, interior, and high cam
driving choices. All the cars sound different than the other, you have night
driving, rain (w/lightning), snow (while snowing!).
It has tuning setups and also works with my GForce Wingman Force Feedback
wheel. All around a great classic Rally sim...
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> pjgtech <[email hidden]> wrote in news:Rl1Ek.81087$KV1.72325 > @newsfe25.ams2: > >> Net Q RAC rally (once the grip patch had been applied) was a great rally >> sim. > > Is that the British one that we call Mobil1 Rally over here? I have that > one if it is what you are talking about."Luvrsmel" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:6zSFk.61$[email hidden]:
Yea, it was good but it makes my FFB wheel shake way too much.
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> Yes that is the British one...the real live event. > I'm running it on an AMD K5/233 MHz system, a 4mb Rage II card, IBM > Mwave ISA audio, 64mb simms and it runs very well. > The cars lean into the corners, you have bumper, interior, and high > cam driving choices. All the cars sound different than the other, you > have night driving, rain (w/lightning), snow (while snowing!). > It has tuning setups and also works with my GForce Wingman Force > Feedback wheel. All around a great classic Rally sim... > > >
"Jimmy Jazz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why too much hassle using all these patches and gimmicks to run old games on
a new fast computer.
Much easier I have found to run the game on the speed of a computer that it
was designed for. Plus older computers use less power/electricity and run
cooler. Why fire up a 650 watt computer when 200 watt will do just fine.
Plus there's a certain "Feel" to the game on a computer that it was designed
for. Also many Graphic card issues to deal with... DirectX related or not,
some poorly coded games were designed to run on certain graphic cards
only... Why do you think they bundle games to sell graphic cards?
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> "murph1012" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:klPFk.43886$[email hidden]: > >> A posting line wrap could be your friend. >> >> I know of several games that won't work on any processor that is >> faster than 500-600MHz. >> Some games will just freak out running on a faster processor than they >> were coded for. >> GPL is one & then there is the DirectX issue. >> >> >> > > GPL has fixes for both those issues. Also, there are utilities that will > slow down your cpu to make any game playable on them. Search fro CPUGrab > on > google and Winthrottle. Higher values in CPUGrab means it uses more of the > cpu so will slow it down more.> GPL has fixes for both those issues.
Simple still, just install GPL 2004 Demo which has all the fixes, then
copy the remaining tracks (all but Watkins Glen) from you GPL cd-rom.
http://www.bhmotorsports.com/GPL/downloads/3239
I also recommend getting the ring trainer for Nurburg.
http://www.joachimblum.de/ringtrainer.htm
"jeffareid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm talking about games here. When did GPL become a Game?
;-)
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>> GPL has fixes for both those issues. > > Simple still, just install GPL 2004 Demo which has all the fixes, then > copy the remaining tracks (all but Watkins Glen) from you GPL cd-rom. > > http://www.bhmotorsports.com/GPL/downloads/3239 > > I also recommend getting the ring trainer for Nurburg. > > http://www.joachimblum.de/ringtrainer.htm > > >"murph1012" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>Plus older computers use less power/electricity and run cooler. Why fire up
>a 650 watt computer when 200 watt will do just fine.
I bet my modern computer is more energy efficient than your old door stop
any day. If your PC is setup right then both the cpu and GPU throttle back
to a lower power mode when not running games.
"pjgtech" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Dosbox and DFend are your friends.....
>
> 8-)
Not if you have a USB wheel. For that you need VDMsound.
"Rotten Ronny" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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HA! What about when running games? Ya know you can play for many many hours
at a time, even days!.
Then when not playing the doorstop is off! 600 to 1000 watts is pretty much
the standard today for gaming rigs.
Watts is Watts, what is so hard to understand? BTW my Dual Xeon's will never
"Throttle Back"!
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> "murph1012" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:YntHk.39744$[email hidden]... >>Plus older computers use less power/electricity and run cooler. Why fire >>up a 650 watt computer when 200 watt will do just fine. > > I bet my modern computer is more energy efficient than your old door stop > any day. If your PC is setup right then both the cpu and GPU throttle back > to a lower power mode when not running games. >"murph1012" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> HA! What about when running games? Ya know you can play for many many
> hours at a time, even days!.
> Then when not playing the doorstop is off! 600 to 1000 watts is pretty
> much the standard today for gaming rigs.
> Watts is Watts, what is so hard to understand? BTW my Dual Xeon's will
> never "Throttle Back"!
Watts = volts x amps. If I throttle the cpu it is using less watts and runs
cooler just like your door stop. Only it can ramp up to run the latest games
when needed. I bet you use a CRT too which uses far more watts and puts out
far more heat than my LCD.
"Rotten Ronny" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Even *if* you go into
standby - where you can't use the computer at *all*, The power supply is
still consuming more power. A 600 watt power supply (not unreasonable
these days) wastes more at "idle" that a 250 watt PS would running full
tilt (what they had back in the 486 days). And then there's the monitor.
It has it's *own* power supply. And if you have cable/DSL there's another
drain that *doesn't* go into "sleep" mode *ever*. Aside from that, they
stopped putting turbo switches in computers when the pentium came out, so
they *always* run at full speed, unlike before.
BTW the term for power consumption is *power*. Watts is the quantity of power
used, not the noun.
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> "murph1012" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6kUHk.45353$[email hidden]... >> HA! What about when running games? Ya know you can play for many many >> hours at a time, even days!. >> Then when not playing the doorstop is off! 600 to 1000 watts is pretty >> much the standard today for gaming rigs. >> Watts is Watts, what is so hard to understand? BTW my Dual Xeon's will >> never "Throttle Back"! > > Watts = volts x amps. If I throttle the cpu it is using less watts and > runs cooler just like your door stop. Only it can ramp up to run the > latest games when needed. I bet you use a CRT too which uses far more > watts and puts out far more heat than my LCD. >"APLer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Even *if* you go into
> standby - where you can't use the computer at *all*,
Wow, well, here's news for you dumbass. I have Vista set to hibernate and
not go into standby so it is using the same amount of power as if the PC was
turned off when it is idle. Lets see you do that on your POS Dos/Win3.1 box.
I don't care if you call it power or watts, I don't think anyone else cares
either. My state of the art PC can be made to be more energy efficient than
some 1995 era POS. 650w PSU does not mean it is using 650w either moron. It
only uses what it needs. When the cpu is throttled it uses less power than
when it is running at full power. Same goes for my video card. The video
card only ramps up to full speed when needed to.
"APLer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>they stopped putting turbo switches in computers when the pentium came out,
>so
> they *always* run at full speed, unlike before.
Proof you are out to lunch. You don't even know that all modern cpu and gpu
throttle their speed to conserve power except when needed to run full tilt.
Fucking luddite.
