Re: GP3 - AI Dumbest ever or intensly amazing??

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:52:41 +0100, "R4" <[email hidden]> mangled uncounted electrons thus: >they can't really handle the wet races. I started from the back of the grid >at Imola. Going into Tamburello about 4 cars spun just under braking (no >contact) and I came round the corner to see 3 cars in the gravel. Every >corner of the next 2 laps another car appeared in the gravel. <grin> Sounds about right to me... My one complaint about GP2 was that you'd never get more than 2 cars (out of 26!) fail to finish a race. Martin D. Pay Damned postie comes *after* I leave for work in the morning... :(

In article <3981af26.553539@news>, [email hidden] (Sigmund) writes:

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>The AI in GP3 are horrible, the cars seem to just jitter or jump left >and right on the track without actually turning, more like they just >suddenly slide across the road, and they act like you are never there, >they can be going half your speed and just as you are about to pass >them they'll pull right out in front of you, and like you said, they >can never judge when to slow down when following you and will just ram >into you every time if you happen to brake suddenly for something, >very depressing. ;-(

Same thing happens in GPL... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.95 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Nos The AI in F12k could not get around some of the circuits when the game was released Brazil, 2nd Gear right hander in the mid section Spa, Eau Rouge it would have been funny bit I'd paid for it : ( After spending some time on the forums I made a patch that basically increased the cars rear grip. In the latest patch things are much improved but the F1 2000 AI still needs work (have you seen the oscillation down the straights that ends in a crash ?) On the other hand, as a base to improve on the AI could be fantastic in F1 2001 the parameters in F12k take into account agression, defence and ability to push the car to the limit. I've made another patch that seems to give a really accurate impression of this year. If you want a copy drop me a line Regards Mike On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:54:19 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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>On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:58:16 +0100, Alan <[email hidden]> thus >spoke: > > > >>I could have sworn that he was pissed at me ruining his hotlap. But i >>find it hard to believe that >>GC would actually code agression like this, when other features are >>lacking and bugs still obvious, but could he have? >> >>I'll upload the savegame to my webspace so you can judge for yourselves >>:) >> >>Alan > >I mentioned in another thread that I had a Ferrari hit me from behind >in the pits of all places. People said the AI is good in GP3 when the >warez was first leaked, but IMO it's no better than F12K.

they can't really handle the wet races. I started from the back of the grid at Imola. Going into Tamburello about 4 cars spun just under braking (no contact) and I came round the corner to see 3 cars in the gravel. Every corner of the next 2 laps another car appeared in the gravel. Alan <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> How about this, qualifying at Monza - > > I pull out the pits, start braking too early for first chicane (getting > used to new FF setup) > suddenly BANG! - Rammed up the arse, Not very impressed, damn! I think > the AI sucks if they can't even see me braking or avoid, BUT READ ON! > > I view the replay and OMG! (viewed 1st from TV view, then the offenders > cockpit) > > AI driver first brakes hard, DOESN'T hit me and falls in behind me, > swerves to o/take, changes mind, swerves other way, too close to corner > so no go, so he revs right up, and does a schumacher and barges me of > the track. > > I could have sworn that he was pissed at me ruining his hotlap. But i > find it hard to believe that > GC would actually code agression like this, when other features are > lacking and bugs still obvious, but could he have? > > I'll upload the savegame to my webspace so you can judge for yourselves > :) > > Alan

No real verdict on the AI yet myself..at first i thought it was awesome..now i'm not sure anymore cause there seems to be a lot of "buttsniffing"..as you noticed.. But at least the post was very entertaining:) willem On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:58:16 +0100, Alan <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>How about this, qualifying at Monza - > >I pull out the pits, start braking too early for first chicane (getting >used to new FF setup) >suddenly BANG! - Rammed up the arse, Not very impressed, damn! I think >the AI sucks if they can't even see me braking or avoid, BUT READ ON! > >I view the replay and OMG! (viewed 1st from TV view, then the offenders >cockpit) > >AI driver first brakes hard, DOESN'T hit me and falls in behind me, >swerves to o/take, changes mind, swerves other way, too close to corner >so no go, so he revs right up, and does a schumacher and barges me of >the track. > >I could have sworn that he was pissed at me ruining his hotlap. But i >find it hard to believe that >GC would actually code agression like this, when other features are >lacking and bugs still obvious, but could he have? > >I'll upload the savegame to my webspace so you can judge for yourselves >:) > >Alan

How about this, qualifying at Monza - I pull out the pits, start braking too early for first chicane (getting used to new FF setup) suddenly BANG! - Rammed up the arse, Not very impressed, damn! I think the AI sucks if they can't even see me braking or avoid, BUT READ ON! I view the replay and OMG! (viewed 1st from TV view, then the offenders cockpit) AI driver first brakes hard, DOESN'T hit me and falls in behind me, swerves to o/take, changes mind, swerves other way, too close to corner so no go, so he revs right up, and does a schumacher and barges me of the track. I could have sworn that he was pissed at me ruining his hotlap. But i find it hard to believe that GC would actually code agression like this, when other features are lacking and bugs still obvious, but could he have? I'll upload the savegame to my webspace so you can judge for yourselves :) Alan

The AI in GP3 are horrible, the cars seem to just jitter or jump left and right on the track without actually turning, more like they just suddenly slide across the road, and they act like you are never there, they can be going half your speed and just as you are about to pass them they'll pull right out in front of you, and like you said, they can never judge when to slow down when following you and will just ram into you every time if you happen to brake suddenly for something, very depressing. ;-( On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:58:16 +0100, Alan <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>How about this, qualifying at Monza - > >I pull out the pits, start braking too early for first chicane (getting >used to new FF setup) >suddenly BANG! - Rammed up the arse, Not very impressed, damn! I think >the AI sucks if they can't even see me braking or avoid, BUT READ ON! > >I view the replay and OMG! (viewed 1st from TV view, then the offenders >cockpit) > >AI driver first brakes hard, DOESN'T hit me and falls in behind me, >swerves to o/take, changes mind, swerves other way, too close to corner >so no go, so he revs right up, and does a schumacher and barges me of >the track. > >I could have sworn that he was pissed at me ruining his hotlap. But i >find it hard to believe that >GC would actually code agression like this, when other features are >lacking and bugs still obvious, but could he have? > >I'll upload the savegame to my webspace so you can judge for yourselves >:) > >Alan

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:58:16 +0100, Alan <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>I could have sworn that he was pissed at me ruining his hotlap. But i >find it hard to believe that >GC would actually code agression like this, when other features are >lacking and bugs still obvious, but could he have? > >I'll upload the savegame to my webspace so you can judge for yourselves >:) > >Alan

I mentioned in another thread that I had a Ferrari hit me from behind in the pits of all places. People said the AI is good in GP3 when the warez was first leaked, but IMO it's no better than F12K. -- Nos

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:54:19 GMT, [email hidden] wrote: -clip-

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> >I mentioned in another thread that I had a Ferrari hit me from behind >in the pits of all places. People said the AI is good in GP3 when the >warez was first leaked, but IMO it's no better than F12K. > >-- >Nos

But that sounds pretty much what Ferrari does in real races...so there is nothing wrong with the AI :) Antti

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:09:26 +0100, Mike Blackmore <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Nos > >The AI in F12k could not get around some of the circuits when the game >was released > >Brazil, 2nd Gear right hander in the mid section >Spa, Eau Rouge it would have been funny bit I'd paid for it : ( > >After spending some time on the forums I made a patch that basically >increased the cars rear grip. In the latest patch things are much >improved but the F1 2000 AI still needs work (have you seen the >oscillation down the straights that ends in a crash ?) > >On the other hand, as a base to improve on the AI could be fantastic >in F1 2001 the parameters in F12k take into account agression, defence >and ability to push the car to the limit. I've made another patch >that seems to give a really accurate impression of this year. If you >want a copy drop me a line >

Mike, I just recently started playing F1 2000. I like it, but the AI does take a bit of the fun out. I would be very interested in trying your patch. Every little bit of help would be nice. Thanks!! Steve [email hidden]

Sigmund wrote: > can never judge when to slow down when following you and will just ram > into you every time if you happen to brake suddenly for something, > very depressing. ;-( ROFL! That's what I thought when this one guy tailgated my Mazda Astina when "I braked suddenly for... something". VERY depressing. -lark-