Look at F1 on TV, you see the drivers using all of the curbs ALL the time, they
make it part of the track and you don't seen them sliding of it too (well at
least not too often ;-))
If you get on the gras though, the handling does change, the car starts to bounce
and you loose grip.
So in that matter GP3 is absolutely realistic!
Ohhyeah, stay away from the curbs in rain, they may not like you ;-))
Regards,
Roger
GP3 declared the best current F1 sim
A poster claimed GP3 was the best current F1 sim and would gain a huge add-on community like GP2's. Others disputed this, noting odd kerb handling where cars could ride over kerbs unaffected, and that GPL and F1 2000 already had substantial add-ons. Some third-party GP3 tools, such as a frame-rate limit remover, had already appeared.
Automated summary.
rrevved wrote in message ...
>>I can't believe that there were over
>>100,000 pre-orders for this game in the UK.
>
>Since GP2 was the most popular F1 sim ever released,
>I'm not surprised at all.
The source of my surprise is that so many people would buy solely on the
strength of a previous version. My philosophy is to check it out first (i.e.
a demo), then open my wallet (or not). I need to take my software
development more seriously if people are so trusting! :)
Bendito;
Yeah, it is a bit weird, mainly on the curbs though, it spins you out
if you get on the grass or whatever if there is no curb though.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:05:35 +1000, "Berno" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>I dont get it? I played gp2 to death and its still my fav sim just ahead of >gpl. Yet I find gp3 complete bullshit. In gp2 if you put a tyre on the grass >or gravel you would get some kind of reaction, in gp3 I drive completely >over the curb with only one wheel left touching the track and the handling >hasnt been changed at all. Like the car is on a magic carpet. > >Please enlighten me is there an option called "Shit physics" I can turn on >and off? >Well, if you have a look on www.grandprix2.com, there are 1000s of
files just on GP2. There is not nearly as much for GPL (though it
doesnt really need it) and F12K (it really does need it).
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:16:54 GMT, "Lorne Glustein" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
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>I personally dont think GP3 is crap....but it`s hard for me to say it`s >better "overall" than F1-2000. I think both F1-2K and GP3 are great >in some ways, suck in others, and both have some really stupid >aspects to them that make you scratch your head and wonder just >wtf the developer was thinking. It`s funny that even some old sim`s >like F1RS and MGPRS are better than GP3/F1-2K in a few ways >(of course not "overall" though). I find great weather effects to be >the main strong point of GP3. It`s almost worth the cost of the game >to have it. With F1-2K it`s the great races I have online that I like the >most (and I like the feel of the car a little more than the GP3 car ). >F1-2K is the first modern sim (that I know of) to have fast and easy >online play, and once you get into that it`s hard to spend time with >another sim that cant be played online. So for that reason, if I had to >keep just one of them... it would be F1-2K. But I still like GP3 quite >a bit... and if GP3 had online play it would be a close call. . . > >Well thats my opnion (wanted or not.. lol =o) > >Btw, there is all kinds of 3rd party stuff out for F1-2K and GPL, so >I doubt you are going to see GP3 get, as you say " About 10 orders >of magnitude more than GPL and F12K put together." > >All the best, >Lorne >Well there are updated tracks as of this morning, a frame rate limit remover
was released earlier this week, and a carshape editor is in progress, nearly
ready.
GP3 only hit the shelves a few hours ago!!
rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:16:54 GMT, "Lorne Glustein" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Btw, there is all kinds of 3rd party stuff out for F1-2K and GPL, so > >I doubt you are going to see GP3 get, as you say " About 10 orders > >of magnitude more than GPL and F12K put together." > > I think you are mistaken. >rrevved wrote in message ...
No, learn some maths old boy. Ten orders of magnitude is 10 to the power
of 10, which is 10 billion. But, OK, if you thought that he meant a factor
of 10, then you may well be right. I can't believe that there were over
100,000 pre-orders for this game in the UK.
Bendito;
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>On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:16:54 GMT, "Lorne Glustein" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Btw, there is all kinds of 3rd party stuff out for F1-2K and GPL, so >>I doubt you are going to see GP3 get, as you say " About 10 orders >>of magnitude more than GPL and F12K put together." > >I think you are mistaken.I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the
best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much
the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because
of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets
new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL
and F12K put together.
(Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it
compared to GP2).
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:25:56 -0700, clone <[email hidden]>
wrote:
Huh? Please pass that fatty around so everyone gets a hit
please?..LOL
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>I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the >best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much >the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because >of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets >new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL >and F12K put together. > >(Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it >compared to GP2). >I personally dont think GP3 is crap....but it`s hard for me to say it`s
better "overall" than F1-2000. I think both F1-2K and GP3 are great
in some ways, suck in others, and both have some really stupid
aspects to them that make you scratch your head and wonder just
wtf the developer was thinking. It`s funny that even some old sim`s
like F1RS and MGPRS are better than GP3/F1-2K in a few ways
(of course not "overall" though). I find great weather effects to be
the main strong point of GP3. It`s almost worth the cost of the game
to have it. With F1-2K it`s the great races I have online that I like the
most (and I like the feel of the car a little more than the GP3 car ).
F1-2K is the first modern sim (that I know of) to have fast and easy
online play, and once you get into that it`s hard to spend time with
another sim that cant be played online. So for that reason, if I had to
keep just one of them... it would be F1-2K. But I still like GP3 quite
a bit... and if GP3 had online play it would be a close call. . .
Well thats my opnion (wanted or not.. lol =o)
Btw, there is all kinds of 3rd party stuff out for F1-2K and GPL, so
I doubt you are going to see GP3 get, as you say " About 10 orders
of magnitude more than GPL and F12K put together."
All the best,
Lorne
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> I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the > best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much > the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because > of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets > new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL > and F12K put together. > > (Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it > compared to GP2).This is strange. I've noticed it too. In some places you can get half off
the track with no problems. other spots it behaves correctly with one wheel
in the grass inducing a spin! Sounds like a track editing problem to me.
Berno <[email hidden]> wrote in article
<1n8g5.20174$[email hidden]>...
> I dont get it? I played gp2 to death and its still my fav sim just aheadof
> gpl. Yet I find gp3 complete bullshit. In gp2 if you put a tyre on thegrass
> or gravel you would get some kind of reaction, in gp3 I drive completely
> over the curb with only one wheel left touching the track and thehandling
> hasnt been changed at all. Like the car is on a magic carpet.
>
> Please enlighten me is there an option called "Shit physics" I can turnon
> and off?
>
>
ROTFL Clone ! Good joke :o)
Jean
clone <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message :
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> I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the > best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much > the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because > of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets > new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL > and F12K put together. > > (Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it > compared to GP2). > >By 2000 standards GP 3 is NOT a sim. Period.
Its indeed just an effort to make some extra bucks from an in-efficient
over-aged graphics/physics engine.
Hardly any effort was done to REALLY improve the game.
But if you like it, thats ok.
I wonder why they didn't add a Brittany Spears soundtrack, to make you
kiddies buy the crap.
clone <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the > best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much > the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because > of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets > new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL > and F12K put together. > > (Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it > compared to GP2). > >LOL.... When I wrote this:
Btw, there is all kinds of 3rd party stuff out for F1-2K and GPL, so
I doubt you are going to see GP3 get, as you say "About 10 orders
of magnitude more than GPL and F12K put together."
I was simply responding to the original posters choice of words:
**About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL and F12K put together.**
There are many 3rd party add-ons for GPL and F1-2K, and sure after 4
years GP2 has "1,000`s"... & I have no doubt with all the GP3 pre-orders
and the large following already built into GP3 we will see [a lot] of 3rd
party
stuff for GP3, BUT, "About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL and
F12K put together." ??.... Nah, I think about 4 orders of the magnitude
more is a better guess... lol ;) Then again, with all the add-on`s GP3`s in
need of.... maybe the original poster will prove to be correct after all
=o)
All the best,
Lorne
ROTFL Clone ! Good joke :o)
Jean
GP3 is no GPL.
For it's size the GPL community is very productive. From the initial 11
cicuits there are now nearly 50.
Anyway, GPL doesn't need much fixing, the 1.2 patch, maybe new sound effects
and you're ready to go.
"clone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the > best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much > the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because > of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets > new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL > and F12K put together. > > (Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it > compared to GP2). > >[email hidden] (Karl Zosel) wrote in
>Its indeed just an effort to make some extra bucks from an in-efficient
>over-aged graphics/physics engine.
>Hardly any effort was done to REALLY improve the game.
>But if you like it, thats ok.
It's amazing it took so many people so long to achieve so little.
It's like Geoff and crew went on vacation for 3 years, ran back
and updated GP2 in 6mos.
As you can tell, I'm a tad disappointed. I would have expected
a more polished product in 4 years.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:32:52 +1000, "Bendito"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
If I can rememer correctly there were 170.000 pre-orders in the UK?
Andre
>
>Bendito;
>
>
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>rrevved wrote in message ... >>On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:16:54 GMT, "Lorne Glustein" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >>>Btw, there is all kinds of 3rd party stuff out for F1-2K and GPL, so >>>I doubt you are going to see GP3 get, as you say " About 10 orders >>>of magnitude more than GPL and F12K put together." >> >>I think you are mistaken. > > No, learn some maths old boy. Ten orders of magnitude is 10 to the power >of 10, which is 10 billion. But, OK, if you thought that he meant a factor >of 10, then you may well be right. I can't believe that there were over >100,000 pre-orders for this game in the UK.On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:22:42 -0700, clone <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>Well, if you have a look on www.grandprix2.com, there are 1000s of
>files just on GP2. There is not nearly as much for GPL (though it
>doesnt really need it) and F12K (it really does need it).
True, the main reason why I bought GP3. I hardly played GP2, but it's
fantastic that so many tracks and tools were made for GP2.
There even is a banked Monza for GP2 !!!!
Andre
....To GP2 :o)
This message is signed Clone .......Wonder if he's not an android just
going from microprose 's headquarters
GP3 is really good when u have friends 's family at home , pretty colours
and cars, feelings of speed , when u hit the accelerator or brake ...it
works!!! .... U turn the wheel it works too !!! .. Your friend's girl says
"aaaaaaaah" .......his son "Ohhhhhhh" ....What d'u will ask more to this
game
....to be a decent racing sim .........don't be so exigent ! ;o)
Jean
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From: clone <[email hidden]>
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Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 11:25 PM
Subject: GP3 is the best.
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> I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the > best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much > the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because > of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets > new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL > and F12K put together. > > (Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it > compared to GP2). > >I dont get it? I played gp2 to death and its still my fav sim just ahead of
gpl. Yet I find gp3 complete bullshit. In gp2 if you put a tyre on the grass
or gravel you would get some kind of reaction, in gp3 I drive completely
over the curb with only one wheel left touching the track and the handling
hasnt been changed at all. Like the car is on a magic carpet.
Please enlighten me is there an option called "Shit physics" I can turn on
and off?
"clone" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the > best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much > the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because > of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets > new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL > and F12K put together. > > (Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it > compared to GP2). > >On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:25:56 -0700, clone <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the
>best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much
>the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because
>of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets
>new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL
>and F12K put together.
GP3 is no GPL.
rrevved wrote in message ...
>Bendito, would you buy Powerslide 2, sight unseen?
>I would.
Believe or not, no. While I'm fairly confident that Ratbag would do a
good job with it, I'm not so confident that I would spend money in advance.
Who knows? Maybe they'd change the physics model to something which doesn't
suit me, or maybe they'd eliminate something which I liked, but other people
didn't. Unlikely, but not worth risking my hard-earned money. Fortunately,
Ratbag has always released a demo before the game has gone gold, so I've
been able to make an educated choice (same with GPL and Sports Car GT).
Bendito;
Andre Warringa wrote in message <[email hidden]>...
>If I can rememer correctly there were 170.000 pre-orders in the UK?
Amazing!
Bendito;
On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:25:56 -0700 clone <[email hidden]> wrote:
% I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the
% best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much
% the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because
% of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets
% new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL
% and F12K put together.
So GP3 has unthroned f12k as the best current F1 sim around? Hell I
remember when Pole Position was the best F1 sim around, but that didn't
mean that I thought it was the best sim (or race program around). For
some, their racing MUST be in an up-to-date recreation of the
here-and-now. That's fine for them, but as in the case of CPR (which
was the best "current" CART sim around), it sucked big time in my book
as an all-around racing simulation. It's really too bad that all a
product has to do is recreate the current race season, and it's flaws
and short-comings can be overlooked.... In other words, had Papy done a
current F1 sim instead of 1967, it would still be the flavor of the
day....
% (Not that im saying GPL is bad, there just isnt as much stuff for it
% compared to GP2).
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:03:41 +0200 Roger <[email hidden]> wrote:
% Look at F1 on TV, you see the drivers using all of the curbs ALL the time, they
% make it part of the track and you don't seen them sliding of it too (well at
% least not too often ;-))
% If you get on the gras though, the handling does change, the car starts to bounce
% and you loose grip.
% So in that matter GP3 is absolutely realistic!
% Ohhyeah, stay away from the curbs in rain, they may not like you ;-))
Is it really realistic? Is it the physics or the driver in real-life
that keeps the car in shape while using all of the curbing? I would say
it's the latter. Which underscores why Crammond's games are so well
followed.... It recreates being a top-notch F1 pilot, but does not
simulate being a top-notch race car simulator.... That's the middle
road between Pole Position and Grand Prix Legends. I like top-notch
race car simulators which require me to hone the skills of a top-notch
F1 pilot. I understand (and am not bothered) that this places me in the
minority, but I find it rather unsettling that people think that racing
a F1 car can be that easy...
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Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:44:05 -0500 rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:
% Oops! I missed the 'power' in the argument. My mistake.
% 10-1 would be a better guesstimate as to the number
% of user add-ons released for GP3 vs. F1-2000+GPL.
But then GPL doesn't really need a whole lot of add-ons, does it....
life was simple in the late 60's compared to current F1. A simple
helmet, goggles and some racing gloves just about took care of it....
No need to go out and spend all of one's efforts finding new sponsors
and thus new paint schemes and uniforms... no need to change the track
lay-out every other week... A yeh, them were the days.... Though things
were just beginning alter at the end of the 1967 season.... the buds
that would become F1 as we know it were just beginning to show
themselves....
But the underscoring reason you will find so many add-ons for GP3 (other
than it needing some <G>), is that the code is basically 4-5 years old
so it's an easy nut to crack....
% >I can't believe that there were over
% >100,000 pre-orders for this game in the UK.
% Since GP2 was the most popular F1 sim ever released,
% I'm not surprised at all.
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"jack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Yes, but don't be too hard on GEL. It's still pretty good.
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> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:25:56 -0700, clone <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I laught at all the people who think GP3 is crap, it is by far the > >best current F1 sim around. I also laugh because no matter how much > >the complain and whinge GP3 will have the greatest following because > >of its similarity to GP2, which means we will have tracks, new carsets > >new sounds, new everything. About 10 orders of magnitude more than GPL > >and F12K put together. > > GP3 is no GPL
"\"Michael E. Carver\" mcarver"@teleport.com schrieb:
It is physics what keeps the car in shape on the curbs, it all comes down to the car
setup,
the stiffer the suspension, the more nervous the car reacts on the curb (try it in
GP3!!!)
If you find the right compromise in the suspension setup, the car will absorb the
bouncing on the curbs and you can use them as part of the racetrack.
Try using the curbs in Hockenheim with a very stiff suspension, you'll loose it very
easy, with a better suspension setup, you can really attack them without having too
much problems, cause the springs absorb the bouncing.
I'm really getting tired off all these "so-called" top notch GPL drivers, okay GPL is
great, no doubt, it's got great physics, but a modern day racing car doesn't jump,
dance and slide through the corners like a '67 Lotus!!!
Wake up GPL-nuts, this isn't 1967, it's 1998 !!!
Regards,
Roger
