Re: So how many real F1 drivers are here actually?

On Fri 28 Jul 2000 11:27:56am, [email hidden] wrote: <snip> >Go read this article to get some insight from someone who does know >how these cars handle. > >http://www.simracingnews.com/newscenter/e3/articles/westracing/ "Error 403: Forbidden". Very insightful... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Raimond wrote in message ... >I've read several posts now saying : "people who think GP3 has great >physics clearly don't know how a real F1 car feels" and things likethat....... > >To simply answer to that: NO, we dont know how an F1 car feels, >because non of us has ever driven an F1 car ('cept for the lucky few >who paid a lot of money to drive 3 laps in an old Larousse ;-) Fair enough, I suppose, though there are other viewpoints on this issue. >I personally love GP3, and I think the physics are great, Now hang on. How can *you* think the physics are great? *You've* never driven an F1 car... Bendito;

I've driver a Swift '92 Formula Ford 1600, and a Van Diemen RF'90 Formula Ford 1600 car (both at the un-adulterated Castle Combe)...and all I can say is that the F3 cars in GPL somehow match the handling of FF1600 perfectly (and Alison Hine agrees with me, well, she did 18 months ago) 105bhp, 400 Kg, 130mph, average time at Castle Combe - 1.05 (old circuit 'sans chicane!') I've also driven a TVR Tuscan at the same venue - BOY OH BOY... 450bhp, 800 kg, 175mph, average time at Castle Combe - 58. And I watched Nigel Greensall do a lap at Castle Combe in his Tyrrell 022 at 130 mph average (something silly like 40-something seconds) I like GPL physics, but it's too much like hardwork, when you can drive the physics but can't feel them! Just about every other racing game makes up for it by taming down the physics a bit. I prefer the latter of these two options. Doug rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:59:34 +1000, "Bendito"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>I personally love GP3, and I think the physics are great, > > > > Now hang on. How can *you* think the physics are great? *You've*never

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> >driven an F1 car... > > Now hang on .. > > Many here, including myself, are not F1 drivers, but love GPL, > and we think it's physics are great. > > Why can't he feel the same about GP3? >

Hi, I've read several posts now saying : "people who think GP3 has great physics clearly don't know how a real F1 car feels" and things like that....... To simply answer to that: NO, we dont know how an F1 car feels, because non of us has ever driven an F1 car ('cept for the lucky few who paid a lot of money to drive 3 laps in an old Larousse ;-) I personally love GP3, and I think the physics are great, especially with all Steering helps off (F8 ,AND the SH in the advanced controller setting menu). Bye, Raimond

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:17:22 +0200, "Raimond" <[email hidden]> thus spoke:

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>Hi, > >I've read several posts now saying : "people who think GP3 has great physics >clearly don't know how a real F1 car feels" and things like that....... > >To simply answer to that: NO, we dont know how an F1 car feels, because non >of us has ever driven an F1 car ('cept for the lucky few who paid a lot of >money to drive 3 laps in an old Larousse ;-) > >I personally love GP3, and I think the physics are great, especially with >all Steering helps off (F8 ,AND the SH in the advanced controller setting >menu).

Go read this article to get some insight from someone who does know how these cars handle. http://www.simracingnews.com/newscenter/e3/articles/westracing/ -- Nos

<snip> "Error 403: Forbidden". Very insightful... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.01) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

On 28 Jul 2000 14:02:18 GMT, [email hidden] (David Buttery) thus spoke: >"Error 403: Forbidden". Very insightful... Oops! Use this link then click on the WSC interview. http://www.simracingnews.com/ -- Nos

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> > On Fri 28 Jul 2000 11:27:56am, [email hidden] wrote: > > <snip> > >Go read this article to get some insight from someone who does know > >how these cars handle. > > > >http://www.simracingnews.com/newscenter/e3/articles/westracing/ > > "Error 403: Forbidden". Very insightful...

Got the same here... Throw an "index.shtml" on the end of that URL & you'll be OK. :-) -- Chuck Kandler Windows is just a virus with a GUI

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:15:55 +0100, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote: <snip> >I like GPL physics, but it's too much like hardwork, when you can drive the >physics but can't feel them! I guess you don't have a ff wheel... ofcourse you don't feel everything you feel in a real car, but in GPL it helps greatly in feeling what the car does (or better: what the car is about to do so you respond in time). Andre

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>Just about every other racing game makes up for it by taming down the >physics a bit. > >I prefer the latter of these two options. > >Doug > > > >rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:59:34 +1000, "Bendito" ><[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >>I personally love GP3, and I think the physics are great, >> > >> > Now hang on. How can *you* think the physics are great? *You've* >never >> >driven an F1 car... >> >> Now hang on .. >> >> Many here, including myself, are not F1 drivers, but love GPL, >> and we think it's physics are great. >> >> Why can't he feel the same about GP3? >> > >

"Bendito" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht > >I personally love GP3, and I think the physics are great, > > Now hang on. How can *you* think the physics are great? *You've* never > driven an F1 car... > > Bendito; I can think anything I want :-) I never said it was great because it's realistic, what I meant was, that I just think it feels great to drive ; I'm having lots and lots of fun with it :-) Bye, Raimond

Tel wrote in message <8ltsj2$q88$[email hidden]>... >"JC: Exactly. The more advanced the sim becomes, the easier it becomes >to drive. Not harder." >Now - where does that leave GPL? Taken literally and out of context, his statement is hard to swallow. But consider it in this light. When you have a physics model which is not too accurate in some important respects, say like in RC2000, then predicting the behaviour of the car under certain circumstances can be very difficult, expecially when that behaviour is not consistent. On the other hand, when you have a physics model which is fairly accurate, like in GPL, then the behaviour of the car under practically all circumstances can be predicted, because we all have an inherent feeling for Newton's laws, and most of us here know the basics of race car behaviour, drafting, traction changes under cornering, throttle-steering, trail-braking etc etc (even if it's only in a theoretical sense). But I think JC is wrong when the inaccurate part of the physics model is at least consistent. Then you can predict it, learn it, and master it. But you definitely won't get the same satisfaction from it that you would from a game with a more accurate physics model (at least in my experience). Bendito;

In article <[email hidden]>, NOMAIL wrote: > Go read this article to get some insight from someone who does know > how these cars handle. > > http://www.simracingnews.com/newscenter/e3/articles/westracing/ Huh? What insights? None of these guys have ever driven anything that even remotely resembles a modern F1 car... besides I found this interesting quote: "JC: Exactly. The more advanced the sim becomes, the easier it becomes to drive. Not harder." Now - where does that leave GPL? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Agree Raimond, I'm pretty sure none of us have actually driven an F1 car. Other formulas and powerfull road going cars, yes, but no F1 car. But does that matter when you evaluate an F1 sim? -No, we all watch F1 which is, supposedly, the best drivers in the world driving the best cars in the world. So if they can't do certain things, nobody can, right? We've all seen F1 drivers overstep the curb on the exit of a fast corner and either being spat out by their cars or just managing to control a massive moment. Now try the same in GP3... you don't even have to lift off the throttle. -Not a good representation of F1, IMO. I could go on like this for a while, but I'd just perpetuate the myth of the GPL fan / other sim basher. The point I'm trying to make is, no simulation will ever truly emulate the real thing. That's not a problem as far as I'm concerned, as it's the quality of the illusion that counts. It helps a sim's credibility when it's not quite as easy to burst the bubble as in GP3 though. Jan. =--- Raimond wrote... > <snip>

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>> Now hang on. How can *you* think the physics are great? *You've* never >>driven an F1 car... > >Now hang on .. > >Many here, including myself, are not F1 drivers, but love GPL, >and we think it's physics are great. > >Why can't he feel the same about GP3?

No, you missed my point. He criticised some people by arguing that since they had never driven an F1 car, that they aren't qualified to judge GP3's physics model. Then in the next sentence, he, also with no real F1 experience, decides to judge GP3's physics model! A case of the doctor not following his own medicine. Personally, like you, I feel that his original argument, that you can't judge a sim if you haven't experienced the exact real thing, is bogus. Bendito;

Raimond wrote in message ... >I can think anything I want :-) I never said it was great because it's >realistic, what I meant was, that I just think it feels great to drive ;I'm >having lots and lots of fun with it :-) Fair enough. :) Bendito;