Re: First Impressions of GP3 (the Full Release version!)

Of course, only 2 people are working on World Sports Cars, and so far it looks like it will be an amazing sim (based mostly on screenshots and what the West bros. have said of course, wheres the demo?!) Brian Some Call Me Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vohg5.1273$[email hidden]... > come out two years ago. If you check out the about GP3 screen the you'llsee > the credits which show that only four people including Geoff worked on it > and I'm afraid it shows. No wonder it's not really progressed in fouryears. > Some Call Me Tim

Don't worry about the lack of 3-axis support. It's officially a bug that Hasbro have promised to release a patch to fix. Some Call Me Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vohg5.1273$[email hidden]... > After 4 years of waiting GP3 landed on my doorstep at 9:30 this morningand

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> I've now been playing it for over an three hours. Here are my first > impressions:- > > a) the menus are practically unchanged from GP2 (which is not a bad thing) > > b) The graphics test your system for performance and set an appropriate > detail level (set mine to max at 1280x1024 on a PII 600 and GeForce DDR)

but > again all settings you can change are almost identical to GP2. > > c)The graphics are nice and do the job but are not exactly state of theart. > GPL still looks better and that came out two years ago. > > d) Shock Horror ! you cannot use split axis peddles! this is criminal!Even > F1 2000 can use a split axis. > Again the joystick set-up screen is exactly the same as GP2. Geoff what > exactly have you been doing for the past four years? > > d)The way the car drives is very similar to GP2 but now at least thecockpit

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> move about a little as a visual cue. > > e) The Force Feedback not exactly up to GPL! Hit a wall and you feel > nothing, > run over the grass and you feel nothing, run over the curbs and you feel > nothing. It's quite weighty it shakes it's head about in a disconcerting > manner but doesn't give out much in the way of "feel". There were many > complaints about the poor FF in F1 2000 but this is not as good as that.

Bit > of a > disappointment really. > > f) Driving around Monaco just seems a little too easy even with all thehelp

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> off > (apart from traction help without which you just spin instantly with no > warning), then again I have been playing GPL rather a lot recently. > > g) Tried a wet race at Spa and the rain is just brilliant. Much more > difficult to drive in the wet (as it should be) and don't even think about > turning traction help off unless you are a cobbler. The reflections in the > track and the spray are really very nice. > > h) The manual even has the same diagrams as in GP2 and even GP1. > > I) The desktop icon is quite nice. > > I've only been playing for an hour so I'm not going to make any real > judgements let but so far after all the excitement and anticipation I feel

a > little let down by Geoff Crammond. I can't exactly see what he's beendoing > for the last four years apart from doing rain dances. So far I'm not that > impressed (although the rain is rather nice). Geoff > seems to have been in a time warp as GP3 looks and feels like it shouldhave > come out two years ago. If you check out the about GP3 screen the you'llsee > the credits which show that only four people including Geoff worked on it > and I'm afraid it shows. No wonder it's not really progressed in fouryears.

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> > Overall it seems to be exactly like GP2 but with rain and slightly better > graphics. I loved GP2 and I'll certainly have some fun racing in GP3 but > somehow I think I'll be returning to GPL sooner rather than later for my > driving fixes as GP3 just isn't in the same > league. There again that's pretty much what I expected. > > > Some Call Me Tim > > > > > > > > > >

"Some Call Me Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vohg5.1273$[email hidden]...

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> > Overall it seems to be exactly like GP2 but with rain and slightly better > graphics. I loved GP2 and I'll certainly have some fun racing in GP3 but > somehow I think I'll be returning to GPL sooner rather than later for my > driving fixes as GP3 just isn't in the same > league. There again that's pretty much what I expected. >

At the current costs here in Switzerland, buying GP3 costs the same as seeing 4 movies in the theatres. Will I get 8 hours of enjoyment out of it? Yeah, I'm sure I will, so I ordered it. Of course, the leader in giggles/monetary unit still must be GPL on budget release. Stephen

After looking at Gp 2.5 it should have been patched in less than 6 months. 4 years for this is a big JOKE!!! Time for Crammond to leave and get someone else to create a proper F1 sim. Ubisoft's third release in the fall should have no problem beating Gp3. Some Call Me Tim wrote:

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> After 4 years of waiting GP3 landed on my doorstep at 9:30 this morning and > I've now been playing it for over an three hours. Here are my first > impressions:- > > a) the menus are practically unchanged from GP2 (which is not a bad thing) > > b) The graphics test your system for performance and set an appropriate > detail level (set mine to max at 1280x1024 on a PII 600 and GeForce DDR) but > again all settings you can change are almost identical to GP2. > > c)The graphics are nice and do the job but are not exactly state of the art. > GPL still looks better and that came out two years ago. > > d) Shock Horror ! you cannot use split axis peddles! this is criminal! Even > F1 2000 can use a split axis. > Again the joystick set-up screen is exactly the same as GP2. Geoff what > exactly have you been doing for the past four years? > > d)The way the car drives is very similar to GP2 but now at least the cockpit > move about a little as a visual cue. > > e) The Force Feedback not exactly up to GPL! Hit a wall and you feel > nothing, > run over the grass and you feel nothing, run over the curbs and you feel > nothing. It's quite weighty it shakes it's head about in a disconcerting > manner but doesn't give out much in the way of "feel". There were many > complaints about the poor FF in F1 2000 but this is not as good as that. Bit > of a > disappointment really. > > f) Driving around Monaco just seems a little too easy even with all the help > off > (apart from traction help without which you just spin instantly with no > warning), then again I have been playing GPL rather a lot recently. > > g) Tried a wet race at Spa and the rain is just brilliant. Much more > difficult to drive in the wet (as it should be) and don't even think about > turning traction help off unless you are a cobbler. The reflections in the > track and the spray are really very nice. > > h) The manual even has the same diagrams as in GP2 and even GP1. > > I) The desktop icon is quite nice. > > I've only been playing for an hour so I'm not going to make any real > judgements let but so far after all the excitement and anticipation I feel a > little let down by Geoff Crammond. I can't exactly see what he's been doing > for the last four years apart from doing rain dances. So far I'm not that > impressed (although the rain is rather nice). Geoff > seems to have been in a time warp as GP3 looks and feels like it should have > come out two years ago. If you check out the about GP3 screen the you'll see > the credits which show that only four people including Geoff worked on it > and I'm afraid it shows. No wonder it's not really progressed in four years. > > Overall it seems to be exactly like GP2 but with rain and slightly better > graphics. I loved GP2 and I'll certainly have some fun racing in GP3 but > somehow I think I'll be returning to GPL sooner rather than later for my > driving fixes as GP3 just isn't in the same > league. There again that's pretty much what I expected. > > Some Call Me Tim

(disclaimer: This message isn't in response to any of the previous posters, I'm just utilizing the approprite thread subject here) [sarcasm on] And let me guess, the full release store-bought version looks and plays completely different than the rip and iso that were released earlier this week/last week? After all, those file dates were doctored and could very easily have been a pre- release early beta or something! [sarcasm off] sorry.....had to do it..... ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

After 4 years of waiting GP3 landed on my doorstep at 9:30 this morning and I've now been playing it for over an three hours. Here are my first impressions:- a) the menus are practically unchanged from GP2 (which is not a bad thing) b) The graphics test your system for performance and set an appropriate detail level (set mine to max at 1280x1024 on a PII 600 and GeForce DDR) but again all settings you can change are almost identical to GP2. c)The graphics are nice and do the job but are not exactly state of the art. GPL still looks better and that came out two years ago. d) Shock Horror ! you cannot use split axis peddles! this is criminal! Even F1 2000 can use a split axis. Again the joystick set-up screen is exactly the same as GP2. Geoff what exactly have you been doing for the past four years? d)The way the car drives is very similar to GP2 but now at least the cockpit move about a little as a visual cue. e) The Force Feedback not exactly up to GPL! Hit a wall and you feel nothing, run over the grass and you feel nothing, run over the curbs and you feel nothing. It's quite weighty it shakes it's head about in a disconcerting manner but doesn't give out much in the way of "feel". There were many complaints about the poor FF in F1 2000 but this is not as good as that. Bit of a disappointment really. f) Driving around Monaco just seems a little too easy even with all the help off (apart from traction help without which you just spin instantly with no warning), then again I have been playing GPL rather a lot recently. g) Tried a wet race at Spa and the rain is just brilliant. Much more difficult to drive in the wet (as it should be) and don't even think about turning traction help off unless you are a cobbler. The reflections in the track and the spray are really very nice. h) The manual even has the same diagrams as in GP2 and even GP1. I) The desktop icon is quite nice. I've only been playing for an hour so I'm not going to make any real judgements let but so far after all the excitement and anticipation I feel a little let down by Geoff Crammond. I can't exactly see what he's been doing for the last four years apart from doing rain dances. So far I'm not that impressed (although the rain is rather nice). Geoff seems to have been in a time warp as GP3 looks and feels like it should have come out two years ago. If you check out the about GP3 screen the you'll see the credits which show that only four people including Geoff worked on it and I'm afraid it shows. No wonder it's not really progressed in four years. Overall it seems to be exactly like GP2 but with rain and slightly better graphics. I loved GP2 and I'll certainly have some fun racing in GP3 but somehow I think I'll be returning to GPL sooner rather than later for my driving fixes as GP3 just isn't in the same league. There again that's pretty much what I expected. Some Call Me Tim

What was it that was said in here about Crammond? Oh yes , now I remember. Crammond would never release a product with all these flaws like the 8 week old beta code!!! LOL!!! Lot of people on this Ng here looking a little foolish these days. DoubleU wrote:

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> (disclaimer: This message isn't in response to any of the > previous posters, I'm just utilizing the approprite thread > subject here) > > [sarcasm on] > And let me guess, the full release store-bought version looks > and plays completely different than the rip and iso that were > released earlier this week/last week? After all, those file > dates were doctored and could very easily have been a pre- > release early beta or something! > [sarcasm off] > > sorry.....had to do it..... > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com

I ain't worried. They will release the patch as GP4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! R4 wrote:

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> Don't worry about the lack of 3-axis support. It's officially a bug that > Hasbro have promised to release a patch to fix. > > Some Call Me Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Vohg5.1273$[email hidden]... > > After 4 years of waiting GP3 landed on my doorstep at 9:30 this morning > and > > I've now been playing it for over an three hours. Here are my first > > impressions:- > > > > a) the menus are practically unchanged from GP2 (which is not a bad thing) > > > > b) The graphics test your system for performance and set an appropriate > > detail level (set mine to max at 1280x1024 on a PII 600 and GeForce DDR) > but > > again all settings you can change are almost identical to GP2. > > > > c)The graphics are nice and do the job but are not exactly state of the > art. > > GPL still looks better and that came out two years ago. > > > > d) Shock Horror ! you cannot use split axis peddles! this is criminal! > Even > > F1 2000 can use a split axis. > > Again the joystick set-up screen is exactly the same as GP2. Geoff what > > exactly have you been doing for the past four years? > > > > d)The way the car drives is very similar to GP2 but now at least the > cockpit > > move about a little as a visual cue. > > > > e) The Force Feedback not exactly up to GPL! Hit a wall and you feel > > nothing, > > run over the grass and you feel nothing, run over the curbs and you feel > > nothing. It's quite weighty it shakes it's head about in a disconcerting > > manner but doesn't give out much in the way of "feel". There were many > > complaints about the poor FF in F1 2000 but this is not as good as that. > Bit > > of a > > disappointment really. > > > > f) Driving around Monaco just seems a little too easy even with all the > help > > off > > (apart from traction help without which you just spin instantly with no > > warning), then again I have been playing GPL rather a lot recently. > > > > g) Tried a wet race at Spa and the rain is just brilliant. Much more > > difficult to drive in the wet (as it should be) and don't even think about > > turning traction help off unless you are a cobbler. The reflections in the > > track and the spray are really very nice. > > > > h) The manual even has the same diagrams as in GP2 and even GP1. > > > > I) The desktop icon is quite nice. > > > > I've only been playing for an hour so I'm not going to make any real > > judgements let but so far after all the excitement and anticipation I feel > a > > little let down by Geoff Crammond. I can't exactly see what he's been > doing > > for the last four years apart from doing rain dances. So far I'm not that > > impressed (although the rain is rather nice). Geoff > > seems to have been in a time warp as GP3 looks and feels like it should > have > > come out two years ago. If you check out the about GP3 screen the you'll > see > > the credits which show that only four people including Geoff worked on it > > and I'm afraid it shows. No wonder it's not really progressed in four > years. > > > > Overall it seems to be exactly like GP2 but with rain and slightly better > > graphics. I loved GP2 and I'll certainly have some fun racing in GP3 but > > somehow I think I'll be returning to GPL sooner rather than later for my > > driving fixes as GP3 just isn't in the same > > league. There again that's pretty much what I expected. > > > > > > Some Call Me Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:11:32 +0100, "Some Call Me Tim"<[email hidden]> wrote: > > >g) Tried a wet race at Spa and the rain is just brilliant. Much more > >difficult to drive in the wet (as it should be) and don't even thinkabout

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> >turning traction help off unless you are a cobbler. > > > >I've only been playing for an hour > > Maybe you will feel differently after you drive it > for more than 1 hour. I never use traction help, and > while I'm not the quickest driver on the planet, > I don't have a lot of problems with traction. >

I've now been playing it practically all day and can now switch off the traction help (I changed the accelerator sensitivity up from 5% to 10%) in the dry at any case. Someone has said that they're going to patch the split axis "bug" (I guess in GP4 in another 4 years time) The more I play it the more I like it but it's still no GPL. I've also tried it on my second machine (yes I've got two for network play) but it's really really slow (its a k6-2 412 with 2 voodoo 2's) Some Call Me Tim

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:11:41 +0100 R4 <[email hidden]> wrote: % Don't worry about the lack of 3-axis support. It's officially a bug that % Hasbro have promised to release a patch to fix. Did they? We've read that they know it exists and that the source "expects" a patch.... Never read that Hasbro is working on a patch.... -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

A bug is an imperfect piece of coding that causes unexpected things to happen when running a program. The total exclusion of a fundamental feature hardly qualifies. This is simply shoddy laziness. MS "R4" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8lsbar$i8i$[email hidden]...

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> Don't worry about the lack of 3-axis support. It's officially a bug that > Hasbro have promised to release a patch to fix. > > Some Call Me Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Vohg5.1273$[email hidden]... > > After 4 years of waiting GP3 landed on my doorstep at 9:30 this morning > and > > I've now been playing it for over an three hours. Here are my first > > impressions:- > > > > a) the menus are practically unchanged from GP2 (which is not a bad

thing)

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> > > > b) The graphics test your system for performance and set an appropriate > > detail level (set mine to max at 1280x1024 on a PII 600 and GeForce DDR) > but > > again all settings you can change are almost identical to GP2. > > > > c)The graphics are nice and do the job but are not exactly state of the > art. > > GPL still looks better and that came out two years ago. > > > > d) Shock Horror ! you cannot use split axis peddles! this is criminal! > Even > > F1 2000 can use a split axis. > > Again the joystick set-up screen is exactly the same as GP2. Geoff what > > exactly have you been doing for the past four years? > > > > d)The way the car drives is very similar to GP2 but now at least the > cockpit > > move about a little as a visual cue. > > > > e) The Force Feedback not exactly up to GPL! Hit a wall and you feel > > nothing, > > run over the grass and you feel nothing, run over the curbs and you feel > > nothing. It's quite weighty it shakes it's head about in a disconcerting > > manner but doesn't give out much in the way of "feel". There were many > > complaints about the poor FF in F1 2000 but this is not as good as that. > Bit > > of a > > disappointment really. > > > > f) Driving around Monaco just seems a little too easy even with all the > help > > off > > (apart from traction help without which you just spin instantly with no > > warning), then again I have been playing GPL rather a lot recently. > > > > g) Tried a wet race at Spa and the rain is just brilliant. Much more > > difficult to drive in the wet (as it should be) and don't even think

about > > turning traction help off unless you are a cobbler. The reflections inthe

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> > track and the spray are really very nice. > > > > h) The manual even has the same diagrams as in GP2 and even GP1. > > > > I) The desktop icon is quite nice. > > > > I've only been playing for an hour so I'm not going to make any real > > judgements let but so far after all the excitement and anticipation I

feel > a > > little let down by Geoff Crammond. I can't exactly see what he's been > doing > > for the last four years apart from doing rain dances. So far I'm notthat > > impressed (although the rain is rather nice). Geoff > > seems to have been in a time warp as GP3 looks and feels like it should > have > > come out two years ago. If you check out the about GP3 screen the you'll > see > > the credits which show that only four people including Geoff worked onit > > and I'm afraid it shows. No wonder it's not really progressed in four > years. > > > > Overall it seems to be exactly like GP2 but with rain and slightlybetter > > graphics. I loved GP2 and I'll certainly have some fun racing in GP3but

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> > somehow I think I'll be returning to GPL sooner rather than later for my > > driving fixes as GP3 just isn't in the same > > league. There again that's pretty much what I expected. > > > > > > Some Call Me Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

It is a bug. Joystick B in the configuration screens refers to the SECOND physical joystick port in your system, which requires a PDPI card or similar. If you have 2 joystick ports and can plug your pedals into the second port, split axis works fine. The fix, which should be simple, is to make Joystick B access the 3rd and 4th axis of the first port. Peter On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:41:34 +0100, "m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote: >A bug is an imperfect piece of coding that causes unexpected things to >happen when running a program. The total exclusion of a fundamental feature >hardly qualifies. This is simply shoddy laziness. > >MS

The problem is that the game obviously isn't sophisticated enough to actually use the split axis (independent pedals). Big deal, it will be patched so you don't have to go into your controller control panel every time you play GP3 (thank you), but we won't have independent pedal action. Marc. "m.seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%mmg5.2420$[email hidden]... > A bug is an imperfect piece of coding that causes unexpected things to > happen when running a program. The total exclusion of a fundamentalfeature

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> hardly qualifies. This is simply shoddy laziness. > > MS > > "R4" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8lsbar$i8i$[email hidden]... > > Don't worry about the lack of 3-axis support. It's officially a bug that > > Hasbro have promised to release a patch to fix. > > > > Some Call Me Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:Vohg5.1273$[email hidden]... > > > After 4 years of waiting GP3 landed on my doorstep at 9:30 this

morning

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> > and > > > I've now been playing it for over an three hours. Here are my first > > > impressions:- > > > > > > a) the menus are practically unchanged from GP2 (which is not a bad > thing) > > > > > > b) The graphics test your system for performance and set an

appropriate > > > detail level (set mine to max at 1280x1024 on a PII 600 and GeForceDDR) > > but > > > again all settings you can change are almost identical to GP2. > > > > > > c)The graphics are nice and do the job but are not exactly state ofthe

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> > art. > > > GPL still looks better and that came out two years ago. > > > > > > d) Shock Horror ! you cannot use split axis peddles! this is criminal! > > Even > > > F1 2000 can use a split axis. > > > Again the joystick set-up screen is exactly the same as GP2. Geoff

what

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> > > exactly have you been doing for the past four years? > > > > > > d)The way the car drives is very similar to GP2 but now at least the > > cockpit > > > move about a little as a visual cue. > > > > > > e) The Force Feedback not exactly up to GPL! Hit a wall and you feel > > > nothing, > > > run over the grass and you feel nothing, run over the curbs and you

feel > > > nothing. It's quite weighty it shakes it's head about in adisconcerting > > > manner but doesn't give out much in the way of "feel". There were many > > > complaints about the poor FF in F1 2000 but this is not as good asthat. > > Bit > > > of a > > > disappointment really. > > > > > > f) Driving around Monaco just seems a little too easy even with allthe > > help > > > off > > > (apart from traction help without which you just spin instantly withno

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> > > warning), then again I have been playing GPL rather a lot recently. > > > > > > g) Tried a wet race at Spa and the rain is just brilliant. Much more > > > difficult to drive in the wet (as it should be) and don't even think > about > > > turning traction help off unless you are a cobbler. The reflections in > the > > > track and the spray are really very nice. > > > > > > h) The manual even has the same diagrams as in GP2 and even GP1. > > > > > > I) The desktop icon is quite nice. > > > > > > I've only been playing for an hour so I'm not going to make any real > > > judgements let but so far after all the excitement and anticipation I > feel > > a > > > little let down by Geoff Crammond. I can't exactly see what he's been > > doing > > > for the last four years apart from doing rain dances. So far I'm not > that > > > impressed (although the rain is rather nice). Geoff > > > seems to have been in a time warp as GP3 looks and feels like it

should > > have > > > come out two years ago. If you check out the about GP3 screen theyou'll

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> > see > > > the credits which show that only four people including Geoff worked on > it > > > and I'm afraid it shows. No wonder it's not really progressed in four > > years. > > > > > > Overall it seems to be exactly like GP2 but with rain and slightly > better > > > graphics. I loved GP2 and I'll certainly have some fun racing in GP3 > but > > > somehow I think I'll be returning to GPL sooner rather than later for

my

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> > > driving fixes as GP3 just isn't in the same > > > league. There again that's pretty much what I expected. > > > > > > > > > Some Call Me Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AAqh5.93475$[email hidden]... > The problem is that the game obviously isn't sophisticated enough to > actually use the split axis (independent pedals). Big deal, it will be > patched so you don't have to go into your controller control panel every > time you play GP3 (thank you), but we won't have independent pedal action. How do you know it will be patched. I just heard that MPS was aware of the problem. That in and of itself does not guarantee a patch. -- [email hidden]