Re: GP3 Bugs!

Great! But what if he doesnt want combined axis? For suer, I dont want to, I hate going through the hassel of going to the joystick-properties and change my input device everytime I switch from GPL to GP3..... cya Maaki -- rrevved <[email hidden]> schrieb > > My TSW works fine with GP3. Turn off split-axis. On my TSW, it has > a switch on the side.

4 more years?? lol!!

What type of wheel do you have? Joe

4 more years?? lol!! Jasper Conwright <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ONig5.2021$[email hidden]... > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like thatwas

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> not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > arrives. > > Do we know when this patch will be available? > > JC > >

Can't you flip the TSW into 2-axis mode? Or do you have an older one that isn't switchable. In article <Vnjg5.2095$[email hidden]>, Jasper Conwright <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>A hyperstimulator and a TSW, both of them do not work with GP3 :O( > >"Joe Murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:Sjjg5.11021$[email hidden]... >> What type of wheel do you have? >> Joe >> >> Jasper Conwright <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:ONig5.2021$[email hidden]... >> > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch >for >> > it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like that >> was >> > not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this >patch >> > arrives.

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So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like that was not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch arrives. Do we know when this patch will be available? JC

What type of wheel do you have? Joe Jasper Conwright <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ONig5.2021$[email hidden]... > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like thatwas

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> not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > arrives. > > Do we know when this patch will be available? > > JC > >

A hyperstimulator and a TSW, both of them do not work with GP3 :O( "Joe Murphy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Sjjg5.11021$[email hidden]... > What type of wheel do you have? > Joe > > Jasper Conwright <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ONig5.2021$[email hidden]... > > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patchfor > > it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like that > was > > not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until thispatch

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> > arrives. > > > > Do we know when this patch will be available? > > > > JC > > > > > >

Hi Revved My TSW for whatever reason seem,s to be split axis only, I have tried many times to change it, but to no avail. So until the patch arrives I cant really play this game as neither of my wheels will calibrate. Shame. JC "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:48:00 +0100, "Jasper Conwright" <[email hidden]>wrote:

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> > >So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > >it. > > Yep. > > > What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like that was > >not spotted. > > I don't know, Jasper. > > >I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > >arrives. > > > > Why? > > >Do we know when this patch will be available? > > > Nope. > >

Jasper Conwright <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ONig5.2021$[email hidden]... > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like thatwas

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> not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > arrives. > > Do we know when this patch will be available? > > JC >

That a bit harsh, just use combined axis, its better than acting the martyr with a keyboard.

"Jasper Conwright" <[email hidden]> wrote > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > it. Btw it gives a nice credibility to the GP3 beta testers. What an incredible job have they done <vbg> :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- May the Downforce be with you... -- http://www.WeRace.net -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

But he evidently wants to play, because he said he is going to run with his keyboard. For me the switch is quick and easy. ds Markus Stiepel wrote in message <8lsotb$451$10$[email hidden]>... >Great! But what if he doesnt want combined axis? For suer, I dont want to,I >hate going through the hassel of going to the joystick-properties andchange

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>my input device everytime I switch from GPL to GP3..... > >cya >Maaki > >-- >rrevved <[email hidden]> schrieb > >> My TSW works fine with GP3. Turn off split-axis. On my TSW, it has >> a switch on the side. > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:czlg5.64445$[email hidden]... > "Jasper Conwright" <[email hidden]> wrote > > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patchfor > > it. > > > Btw it gives a nice credibility to the GP3 beta testers. What anincredible > job have they done <vbg> :) This isn't true at all and you damn well know it. I have been a beta tester for several games. They report bugs and stuff. But something like this is not a bug, but rather a design feature. There is also no guarantee the programmer will fix *ANY* bugs that might get reported. So blaming the beta testers is totally uncool as far as I am concerned. -- [email hidden]

In article <TQjg5.2142$[email hidden]>, "Jasper Conwright" <[email hidden]> writes: >Hi Revved > >My TSW for whatever reason seem,s to be split axis only, I have tried many >times to change it, but to no avail. So until the patch arrives I cant >really play this game as neither of my wheels will calibrate. Shame. You should have gotten an adapter that allows you to run in single-axis mode. Contact Thomas Enterprises, and I'm sure they can help you. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +69.01 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Good point Greg. I know for a fact that 50+% of the bugs and missing features a lot of Motocross Madness 2 beta testers reported (time after time) went on deaf ears..... No reason to think this doesnt happen with many (most) games. . . All the best, Lorne ---------- Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:w0ng5.324$[email hidden]...

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> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:czlg5.64445$[email hidden]... > > "Jasper Conwright" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch > for > > > it. > > > > > > Btw it gives a nice credibility to the GP3 beta testers. What an > incredible > > job have they done <vbg> :) > > This isn't true at all and you damn well know it. I have been a > beta tester for several games. They report bugs and stuff. > But something like this is not a bug, but rather a design feature. > There is also no guarantee the programmer will fix *ANY* > bugs that might get reported. So blaming the beta testers > is totally uncool as far as I am concerned. > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > >

This is a disgrace, I have spent nearly 2 hours trying to get my seperate axis pedals and clutch to work with GP3, now I understand there is a bug in the control software...!!!! Any qaulity sim these days will support seperate axis pedals and any qaulity beta testers would use them and have found/reported the bug...I use seperate axis and have beta tested s/ware using it. Blimy, evan GP2 had seperate axis... and the set-up was a dream. Looks like like we have been had!!! Geoff has lost the plot!! THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE GPL! My intial thoughts are that GP3 is just GP2 with weather and 3DFX...and bugs. GP2 was very good for 1996... but this is 2000, I think I will get my money back tomorrow! I never used to beleive in warez s/ware... but as there was no demo for this GP3 (I see why now!)... perhaps there is a case for trying (warez) before you buy! To think we waited years for this... thank goodness I only wasted �29.95 Dave H rrevved wrote:

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> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:59:26 +0100, "Jasper Conwright" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Hi Revved > > > >My TSW for whatever reason seem,s to be split axis only, I have tried many > >times to change it, but to no avail. So until the patch arrives I cant > >really play this game as neither of my wheels will calibrate. Shame. > > > >JC > > > > I hope they get GP3 fixed soon for you, and the rest of us that > want to use split-axis.. :( > > >"rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:[email hidden]... > >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:48:00 +0100, "Jasper Conwright" <[email hidden]> > >wrote: > >> > >> >So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > >> >it. > >> > >> Yep. > >> > >> > What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like that was > >> >not spotted. > >> > >> I don't know, Jasper. > >> > >> >I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > >> >arrives. > >> > > >> > >> Why? > >> > >> >Do we know when this patch will be available? > >> > > >> Nope. > >> > >> > >

2004 it will be released as GP4. Jasper Conwright wrote:

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> So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like that was > not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > arrives. > > Do we know when this patch will be available? > > JC

I certenly hope it will come asap, A feature like this is unacceptable for a game with this potential. Jasper Conwright wrote:

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> So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like that was > not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > arrives. > > Do we know when this patch will be available? > > JC

"Dave Hawnt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I never used to beleive in warez s/ware... but as there was no demo forthis GP3 (I > see why now!)... perhaps there is a case for trying (warez) before youbuy! Yeah... We will have to see how the napster music thing goes. Apparently it is OK to put copywrited music on the internet for download as long as no one makes any money. I suspect that software will be next :-) I see absolutely no difference between the 2. > To think we waited years for this... thank goodness I only wasted �29.95 I told ya so :-) -- [email hidden]

Greg Cisko wrote: > Apparently it is OK to put copywrited music on the internet for > download as long as no one makes any money. Doesn't seem much different than the radio to me. So they wanna hear some music while they surf? Screw them millionaire musicians. They don't need every penny of every kid's allowance... If that's the only reason they got into the trade, let them get REAL jobs! -- Chuck Kandler Windows is just a virus with a GUI

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:37:00 -0500 Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote: % "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message % news:czlg5.64445$[email hidden]... % > "Jasper Conwright" <[email hidden]> wrote % > > So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch % for % > > it. % > % > % > Btw it gives a nice credibility to the GP3 beta testers. What an % incredible % > job have they done <vbg> :) Greg, How do you know it's a design feature and not a bug?... it really sounds like an "oversight" to me, which makes it a bug.... % This isn't true at all and you damn well know it. I have been a % beta tester for several games. They report bugs and stuff. % But something like this is not a bug, but rather a design feature. % There is also no guarantee the programmer will fix *ANY* % bugs that might get reported. So blaming the beta testers % is totally uncool as far as I am concerned. % -- % [email hidden] -- **************************** Michael E. Carver ************************* Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town. [email hidden] http://www.teleport.com/~mcarver =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=<[ /./. [- < ]>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

In article <ONig5.2021$[email hidden]>, Jasper Conwright <[email hidden]> writes

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>So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for >it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like that was >not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch >arrives. > >Do we know when this patch will be available? > >JC > >

That's right. Anyone can say, 'Oh yes, we are aware of this and are going to fix it.' At least then that stops the complaints coming in. I just have a bad feeling that you won't see a patch for this for some time. Chances are that no split axis was because GC was not really sure how to implement it well enough (as to how it should make the car behave) and so just left it out. -- Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) Remove ALL_STRESS before replying No person's opinions can be said to be more correct than another's, because each is the sole judge of his or her own experience.

"Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <ONig5.2021$[email hidden]>, Jasper > Conwright <[email hidden]> writes > >So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > >it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like thatwas

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> >not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > >arrives. > > > >Do we know when this patch will be available? > > > >JC > > > > > > That's right. Anyone can say, 'Oh yes, we are aware of this and are > going to fix it.' At least then that stops the complaints coming in. I > just have a bad feeling that you won't see a patch for this for some > time. Chances are that no split axis was because GC was not really sure > how to implement it well enough (as to how it should make the car > behave) and so just left it out. > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying

Nonsense. Split axis works fine in GP2. The settings in GP3 allow for it. Only the calibration routine fails. Which is a bad thing of course :( Bart Westra

I think split axis *is* there. Just not split-axis-for-the-year-2000 :O( Looks like to me like the control setup is the same as it was for GP2. If you have a wheel that shows its third axis as being on Joystick B (Like my TM Sprint used to) then there's no problem. New wheels don't work like that though. You think they might have noticed. Looks like a hang over from a DOS game. Andy Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <ONig5.2021$[email hidden]>, Jasper > Conwright <[email hidden]> writes > >So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch for > >it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something like thatwas

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> >not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until this patch > >arrives. > > > >Do we know when this patch will be available? > > > >JC > > > > > > That's right. Anyone can say, 'Oh yes, we are aware of this and are > going to fix it.' At least then that stops the complaints coming in. I > just have a bad feeling that you won't see a patch for this for some > time. Chances are that no split axis was because GC was not really sure > how to implement it well enough (as to how it should make the car > behave) and so just left it out. > -- > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > No person's opinions can be said to be > more correct than another's, because each is > the sole judge of his or her own experience.

That is my biggest surprise with the game - how the DOS program has been replicated in Windows. No apparent attempt has been made to interface with the controller info in Windows. Similarly the menu system has been transferred across with no attempt to build a more Windows friendly style interface. I just find it odd that a developer wouldn't want to revamp the look & feel in a new release, particularly in a dos to windows conversion. Perhaps we should be grateful the time is spent on the game itself rather than a snazzy interface, but the controller issue is bizzare, my split axis controller is over 2 years old! Tony "Andy Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6RQg5.744$[email hidden]...

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> I think split axis *is* there. Just not split-axis-for-the-year-2000 :O( > > Looks like to me like the control setup is the same as it was for GP2. If > you have a wheel that shows its third axis as being on Joystick B (Like my > TM Sprint used to) then there's no problem. > > New wheels don't work like that though. You think they might have noticed. > Looks like a hang over from a DOS game. > > Andy > > Peter Ives <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <ONig5.2021$[email hidden]>, Jasper > > Conwright <[email hidden]> writes > > >So Hasbro have said the split axis is a bug, and they will do a patch

for > > >it. What kind of testing did this game go trhough if something likethat > was > > >not spotted. I have the game, but have to play with keys until thispatch

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> > >arrives. > > > > > >Do we know when this patch will be available? > > > > > >JC > > > > > > > > > > That's right. Anyone can say, 'Oh yes, we are aware of this and are > > going to fix it.' At least then that stops the complaints coming in. I > > just have a bad feeling that you won't see a patch for this for some > > time. Chances are that no split axis was because GC was not really sure > > how to implement it well enough (as to how it should make the car > > behave) and so just left it out. > > -- > > Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington) > > Remove ALL_STRESS before replying > > > > No person's opinions can be said to be > > more correct than another's, because each is > > the sole judge of his or her own experience. > >

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:owRg5.6438$[email hidden]...

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> That is my biggest surprise with the game - how the DOS program has been > replicated in Windows. > > No apparent attempt has been made to interface with the controller info in > Windows. Similarly the menu system has been transferred across with no > attempt to build a more Windows friendly style interface. > > <snip>

One exception is the Windows-like Minimize button which works great imo. Minimize GP3, do something in Windows, then activate GP3 again from the task bar. Bart Westra

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >No apparent attempt has been made to interface with the controller info in >Windows. Similarly the menu system has been transferred across with no >attempt to build a more Windows friendly style interface. I agree, those two elements make the effort seem kind of amatuerish. Joe McGinn _____________________ Radical Entertainment