Re: My GP3 Opinion

You can actually turn it off. I'm also EXTREMELY annoyed by the car creeping when idling in gear, but I'm not sure if this is at all inaccurate, since you *are* providing engine power to the "drive" wheels when you put in gear. I think they overdid it, though. In my opinion, the single greatest disappointment is that wacky AI. L.S. "Macca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > As most of you know, ive been thoroughly for GP3 in the lead up to its > release instead of against it. I was totally looking forward to it > all friday, got out of work and went striaght to the computer shop in > town hoping that they would have a copy of it. They did, and i bought > it straight away. > My first opinion is mixed, there is a lot of good and a lot of bad > things about the game. It is definatly similar to GP2 which isnt > exactly a bad thing. I quite like the game. > I just did my first proper race then, after only stuffing around with > it earlier. > I chose Australia, did realistic weather, and i was Fisichella in the > Benneton. I went to the Australia GP in 98 so i remembered the track > well, and all the sponsers etc. > It is VERY well re created, the coloured sand pits, the qantas > sponsers, even down to how the grass was mowed!!! > It was a dry Qualifying session, and it was on rookie, with brakes, > indestructible and autocorrect off. > I went out, and noticed straight away just how quick the car brakes. > Very different to the GP2 braking. Usually you would need ot brake > near the 150 mark or so in GP2 and it would be a gradual brake down > the gears, in GP3 you can brake at the 100m mark and go into the > corner to slow!!! This put me off a bit as i was unsure where to > brake, so i went off a few times. > I ended up witha 1.36.7 and on pole. I thought, beauty, it wasnt the > best lap, but it was still pretty good. The cars looked great, as did > the pit crew. The trees especially on the west side of the track > looked very blocky, but some trees are blocky close up in GPL as well. > Onto the race. It was wet. GREAT i thought. On pole, in the prime > position, and it was a medium type rain, with monsoon later in the > race (around 20% in) > I started well, which was good, got into the lead, but broke too late > into turn 1 in the wet, which was where i broke for in the dry. I > went on the kerb and got touched by schumacher from the side. We both > spun, caused some major chaos and struggled to get out of it. I ended > up 21st by the end of the second turn!! I only finished 2 laps before > i got hit by Panis and lost a wheel (it was my fault tho) > > My opinion on this game. Im a bit dissapointed...some of the things > are plain confusing, and fuckin annoying. > > The wheel is annoying, it seems like i have no control over it > sometimes. It looks like the driver is ifhgting with the wheel, which > is a good thing, but it gives the impression that i dont have control. > > In GPL you can turn anyway you want on a turn, straight etc. You cant > do this in GP3. If you are on a straight and slow right down and try > to turn the opposite way, the wheel only turns about 10% and you glide > intot he wall. If you want to turn say left, and a right hand corner, > you cant. I use the keyboard, and if you press left, you go straight > on. > > THE single most annoying thing, other than not getting steering help > off, is that you cant actaully stop toa halt. If i brake down to 0 > km, and then i let go of the brake button, it starts to speed upto > about 20 km, which is bloody annoying if youve just spun and want to > try to spin turn it. > Some things need to be fixed. I wish i knew how to turn the steering > help off. All the other buttons are black, and green. But teh > steering help option is a greyish colour, that you cant change. > > ohwell, i still like this game. I shall continue having fun > ___________________ > Macca > "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" > Pantera - This Love

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 07:21:01 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>you dont get what i mean. What i mean is...in GPL you can go straight >>on in the corners and it goes straight. On GP3 it turns in a bit >>instead of going dead straight. >>Say im about to turn on turn 1 at hockenheim (a right hander) >>For some un godly reason i want to turn left there. If i press the >>left key just before the turn you go straight on instead of turning >>left. If this was GPL you would turn left. >>Do you understand now what i mean?? >> > >Yes. Turn OFF the driving aids. It is trying to steer you >automatically into the corner. > >That will fix it.

god sake I HAVE. THATS WHY IM ANNOYED BECAUSE I DID TURN THEM ALL OFF AND IT DIDNT WORK ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:40:41 +1000, "ExMrBlonde" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I know what you mean Macca. There are two lots of steering assist in GP3. >One is in the normal driving aids, the other is in the Controller Setup. >There is a bar that that says "Steering Assist" (or something like that), >and it defaults to 100%. If you turn this down to 0%, then it will get rid >of your problem.. You can only change this if you create a new setup option. >Click on the right of screen to where it says "Unused" and set up your >controller from scratch. This DOESN'T work when setting up a new keyboard >setup !! (I don't know why though) > >Hope this helps... >

thankyou :) ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:30:18 GMT, [email hidden] (Macca) wrote: Macca, Since the resident GP3 guru seems to have trouble communicating with you, I'll try (even though I don't have GP3). First, rrevved, he's using the keyboard (try reading his original post). Second, GP2 (and since GP3 is JLGP2) had steering help in two places, one in aids and one in controller setup. Third, if you are using the keyboard, I think it may be impossible to turn one of those aids off. Sorry. "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Which is why I said I DIDN'T think it was entirely inaccurate, "since you *are* providing engine power to the 'drive' wheels when you put in gear" (I *did* so qualify my statement my post). However...wouldn't you stall in an F1 if you are idling...just idling...and then drop it in gear without increasing the revs? L.S.

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> > 1) Go to your street car and rev the engine to 2500-3000 rpm > (the idle speed of a modern F1) > > 2) Drop your car into gear. > > 3) Note what happens. > > 4) Report back to us with your findings. > > Thanks. >

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:26:02 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>>i dont have a wheel. In GPL you can turn the opposite way from the >>turn and actually turn that way. In GP3, you go straight on. >> > >One word ---> 'Understeer'. > >(Look it up) > >

you dont get what i mean. What i mean is...in GPL you can go straight on in the corners and it goes straight. On GP3 it turns in a bit instead of going dead straight. Say im about to turn on turn 1 at hockenheim (a right hander) For some un godly reason i want to turn left there. If i press the left key just before the turn you go straight on instead of turning left. If this was GPL you would turn left. Do you understand now what i mean?? ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:43:49 -0400, "Luis Soto" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>You can actually turn it off. I'm also EXTREMELY annoyed by the car >creeping when idling in gear, but I'm not sure if this is at all inaccurate, >since you *are* providing engine power to the "drive" wheels when you put in >gear. I think they overdid it, though. In my opinion, the single greatest >disappointment is that wacky AI. >L.S. >

Please tell me how you turn it off. I can go into options, and turn off Steering help, but on the wheel in the game its grey, when everything else is fluro green (meaning on) or black (meaning off) so i got no idea how to turn it off, as i actually went into the options and DID turn it off ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:52:46 -0500, rrevved <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:04:17 GMT, [email hidden] (Macca) wrote: > >>The wheel is annoying, it seems like i have no control over it >>sometimes. It looks like the driver is ifhgting with the wheel, which >>is a good thing, but it gives the impression that i dont have control. >> > >Sounds as if you may have a little spiking in your wheel. >Try increasing the deadzone slightly.

i dont have a wheel

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> >>In GPL you can turn anyway you want on a turn, straight etc. You cant >>do this in GP3. If you are on a straight and slow right down and try >>to turn the opposite way, the wheel only turns about 10% and you glide >>intot he wall. If you want to turn say left, and a right hand corner, >>you cant. I use the keyboard, and if you press left, you go straight >>on. >> > >You have a Microsoft FF wheel, right? There is a known problem. >Also, you are -definitely- experiencing push (understeer). Try doing >the keyboard thing in GPL and tell us what it does.

i dont have a wheel. In GPL you can turn the opposite way from the turn and actually turn that way. In GP3, you go straight on.

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> >>THE single most annoying thing, other than not getting steering help >>off, is that you cant actaully stop toa halt. If i brake down to 0 >>km, and then i let go of the brake button, it starts to speed upto >>about 20 km, which is bloody annoying if youve just spun and want to >>try to spin turn it. > >Idling motor, Macca. Ticking over, if you prefer. Press and hold >your shift lever to disengage the clutch. Not a problem. Realistic. >

Idling motor. You mean, on the grid you dont touch the keys at all, and you creep forward. If thats so, then why cant you creep forward before the lights go out. ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:45:20 GMT, "Norm" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Is it just me or are most of the problems, bitches and complaints about GP3 >easily fixed when people actually look at the game set-up and tweak it for >each's individual needs. I mean Steering problems but they have steering >help on?? Sheeeeesh guess I will find out how the game really is when it >hits the US. > I turned Steering help off, but it is a different colour on the wheel than the other options as if to say you cannot change this option ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

As most of you know, ive been thoroughly for GP3 in the lead up to its release instead of against it. I was totally looking forward to it all friday, got out of work and went striaght to the computer shop in town hoping that they would have a copy of it. They did, and i bought it straight away. My first opinion is mixed, there is a lot of good and a lot of bad things about the game. It is definatly similar to GP2 which isnt exactly a bad thing. I quite like the game. I just did my first proper race then, after only stuffing around with it earlier. I chose Australia, did realistic weather, and i was Fisichella in the Benneton. I went to the Australia GP in 98 so i remembered the track well, and all the sponsers etc. It is VERY well re created, the coloured sand pits, the qantas sponsers, even down to how the grass was mowed!!! It was a dry Qualifying session, and it was on rookie, with brakes, indestructible and autocorrect off. I went out, and noticed straight away just how quick the car brakes. Very different to the GP2 braking. Usually you would need ot brake near the 150 mark or so in GP2 and it would be a gradual brake down the gears, in GP3 you can brake at the 100m mark and go into the corner to slow!!! This put me off a bit as i was unsure where to brake, so i went off a few times. I ended up witha 1.36.7 and on pole. I thought, beauty, it wasnt the best lap, but it was still pretty good. The cars looked great, as did the pit crew. The trees especially on the west side of the track looked very blocky, but some trees are blocky close up in GPL as well. Onto the race. It was wet. GREAT i thought. On pole, in the prime position, and it was a medium type rain, with monsoon later in the race (around 20% in) I started well, which was good, got into the lead, but broke too late into turn 1 in the wet, which was where i broke for in the dry. I went on the kerb and got touched by schumacher from the side. We both spun, caused some major chaos and struggled to get out of it. I ended up 21st by the end of the second turn!! I only finished 2 laps before i got hit by Panis and lost a wheel (it was my fault tho) My opinion on this game. Im a bit dissapointed...some of the things are plain confusing, and fuckin annoying. The wheel is annoying, it seems like i have no control over it sometimes. It looks like the driver is ifhgting with the wheel, which is a good thing, but it gives the impression that i dont have control. In GPL you can turn anyway you want on a turn, straight etc. You cant do this in GP3. If you are on a straight and slow right down and try to turn the opposite way, the wheel only turns about 10% and you glide intot he wall. If you want to turn say left, and a right hand corner, you cant. I use the keyboard, and if you press left, you go straight on. THE single most annoying thing, other than not getting steering help off, is that you cant actaully stop toa halt. If i brake down to 0 km, and then i let go of the brake button, it starts to speed upto about 20 km, which is bloody annoying if youve just spun and want to try to spin turn it. Some things need to be fixed. I wish i knew how to turn the steering help off. All the other buttons are black, and green. But teh steering help option is a greyish colour, that you cant change. ohwell, i still like this game. I shall continue having fun ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

Macca wrote: > THE single most annoying thing, other than not getting steering help > off, is that you cant actaully stop toa halt. If i brake down to 0 > km, and then i let go of the brake button, it starts to speed upto > about 20 km, which is bloody annoying if youve just spun and want to > try to spin turn it. Hehe, I fell foul of that, Use the cluch mate ;0). The engine would stall in reality - don't ask me why it doesn't in GP3. GPL dips the clutch for you, and I got used to that, it throw me a little then GP3 didn't. > Some things need to be fixed. I wish i knew how to turn the steering > help off. All the other buttons are black, and green. But teh > steering help option is a greyish colour, that you cant change. You are using a default control set, you need to setup your own. When you 've done that all the greyed out stuff will be selectable. I struggled with that for an hour before the penny dropped. It's a case of a simple thing that's been over complicated. Good luck

Is it just me or are most of the problems, bitches and complaints about GP3 easily fixed when people actually look at the game set-up and tweak it for each's individual needs. I mean Steering problems but they have steering help on?? Sheeeeesh guess I will find out how the game really is when it hits the US. Norm "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:04:17 GMT, [email hidden] (Macca)wrote:

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> > >The wheel is annoying, it seems like i have no control over it > >sometimes. It looks like the driver is ifhgting with the wheel, which > >is a good thing, but it gives the impression that i dont have control. > > > > Sounds as if you may have a little spiking in your wheel. > Try increasing the deadzone slightly. > > >In GPL you can turn anyway you want on a turn, straight etc. You cant > >do this in GP3. If you are on a straight and slow right down and try > >to turn the opposite way, the wheel only turns about 10% and you glide > >intot he wall. If you want to turn say left, and a right hand corner, > >you cant. I use the keyboard, and if you press left, you go straight > >on. > > > > You have a Microsoft FF wheel, right? There is a known problem. > Also, you are -definitely- experiencing push (understeer). Try doing > the keyboard thing in GPL and tell us what it does. > > >THE single most annoying thing, other than not getting steering help > >off, is that you cant actaully stop toa halt. If i brake down to 0 > >km, and then i let go of the brake button, it starts to speed upto > >about 20 km, which is bloody annoying if youve just spun and want to > >try to spin turn it. > > Idling motor, Macca. Ticking over, if you prefer. Press and hold > your shift lever to disengage the clutch. Not a problem. Realistic. >

Oops, my F1 car was running at idle revs and I put it in first, dead. It stalled. It's irritating, doesn't happen in real life, they took out the stalling bit and just modelled what would happen without stalling. I think the start is irritating as well, it's just to easy to have a good reaction time. It's impossible to have a bad one. "rrevved" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:43:49 -0400, "Luis Soto" <[email hidden]>wrote: > > >You can actually turn it off. I'm also EXTREMELY annoyed by the car > >creeping when idling in gear, but I'm not sure if this is at allinaccurate, > >since you *are* providing engine power to the "drive" wheels when you putin

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> >gear. I think they overdid it, though. > > Luis: > > 1) Go to your street car and rev the engine to 2500-3000 rpm > (the idle speed of a modern F1) > > 2) Drop your car into gear. > > 3) Note what happens. > > 4) Report back to us with your findings. > > Thanks. >

rrevved <[email hidden]> writes:

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> 1) Go to your street car and rev the engine to 2500-3000 rpm > (the idle speed of a modern F1) > > 2) Drop your car into gear. > > 3) Note what happens. > > 4) Report back to us with your findings. > > Thanks.

Your street car probably has a red line at around 6000; the F1 maxes out at 18000 or so. So 3000 in the F1 is more like 1000 in the street car if you just compare the rpm's, which means the relative idle rpm's are more or less the same. Without auto-throttle to stop the engine from stalling, the low rotational inertia of the F1 engine surely would kill it immediately at a idle rpm / no throttle start, but how much would it pull at idle rpm with proper amount of throttle? The F1 has a completely insane power to weight ratio compared to the street car, but on the other hand the level of tuning of the F1 engine also reduces the relative level of torque at low rpm's a lot. So the problem now is to judge if the factor 20 higher power to weight ratio of the F1 is enough to make it pull harder than a street car at idle rpm's, despite the extreme level of tuning. I don't know :-) _ Mats Lofkvist [email hidden]

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> >Your street car probably has a red line at around 6000; the > >F1 maxes out at 18000 or so. So 3000 in the F1 is more like > >1000 in the street car if you just compare the rpm's, which > >means the relative idle rpm's are more or less the same. > > So what? If you drop the clutch at 3000rpm in any car, F1, > or your Toyota it will lurch forward in a big way. It's > mechanical fact.

It's a mechanical fact that depends on the rotational inertia of engine + flywheel in relation to the weight of the car... F1 engines are extremely light weight (I heard ~100kg for the complete engine) and I doubt they use much of a flywheel, so I wouldn't be suprised if the F1's angular momentum at 3000 rpm was less than the Toyotas at 1000 rpm even if you compensate for the difference in car weight. _ Mats Lofkvist [email hidden]

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> I know what you mean Macca. There are two lots of steering assist in GP3. > One is in the normal driving aids, the other is in the Controller Setup. > There is a bar that that says "Steering Assist" (or something like that), > and it defaults to 100%. If you turn this down to 0%, then it will get rid > of your problem.. You can only change this if you create a new setup option. > Click on the right of screen to where it says "Unused" and set up your > controller from scratch. This DOESN'T work when setting up a new keyboard > setup !! (I don't know why though)

With keyboard control, steering assist is required to play the game - otherwise it wouldn't be able to differentiate between turning round a hairpin and taking a very slight corner. The steering assist turns you part of the way, pressing the key brings it to the correct level of steering. This is how it was in GP1 and 2, but the steering assist was glitchy in GP2, causing you to spin sometimes through no fault of your own. I haven't got GP3 yet so I don't know if this is fixed. -- Andrew Gillett http://argnet.fatal-design.com/ ICQ: See homepage If the baby won't drink raw milk, boil it.

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> > ..... > I went out, and noticed straight away just how quick the car brakes. > Very different to the GP2 braking. Usually you would need ot brake > near the 150 mark or so in GP2 and it would be a gradual brake down > the gears, in GP3 you can brake at the 100m mark and go into the > corner to slow!!! This put me off a bit as i was unsure where to > brake, so i went off a few times.

You probably t have a high wing setup. Try braking late in a low wing setup, you will get very different results than you got with GP2.

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>....... > In GPL you can turn anyway you want on a turn, straight etc. You cant > do this in GP3. If you are on a straight and slow right down and try > to turn the opposite way, the wheel only turns about 10% and you glide > intot he wall. If you want to turn say left, and a right hand corner, > you cant. I use the keyboard, and if you press left, you go straight > on.

When driving with the keyboard some sort of steering help is needed since you can only indicate neutral, full left and full right steering, and therefor the game enforces it. Steering help limits the amount that the front wheels can turn. In GP2 almost no lock is allowed on straights, it is even so that if you end up the wrong way on a straight after a spin in GP2, it is impossible to turn around with steering help on unless you engage the "power turn gear" (shift down from 1st) This is a clever invention to turn off the steering help temporarily or at least allow a much greater lock. Some drivers use it on purpose in tight low speed corners. The keyboard driving in GP3 is quite improved I think. Instead of allowing no lock at all on straights, you get some lock for a short while when you press < or >, then the game steers you back. Same in turns when you steer the wrong way. This allows you to move around other cars on your own (GP2 released the steering help when another car was around, making it difficult to stay on the track). And also you can do power turns without the need of a "power turn gear". If you really want to drive where you want, you will need to use a wheel. You can use a joystick without steering help, but that is very hard to do. > THE single most annoying thing, other than not getting steering help > off, is that you cant actaully stop toa halt. If i brake down to 0 > km, and then i let go of the brake button, it starts to speed upto > about 20 km, which is bloody annoying if youve just spun and want to > try to spin turn it Brake then full throttle. Bart Westra

Don't try and argue with rrevved, he will just get mad and call you an idiot and then post your life story for all to read. Vintook "Luis Soto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Which is why I said I DIDN'T think it was entirely inaccurate, "since you > *are* providing engine power to the 'drive' wheels when you put in gear"(I

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> *did* so qualify my statement my post). However...wouldn't you stall in an > F1 if you are idling...just idling...and then drop it in gear without > increasing the revs? > > L.S. > > > > 1) Go to your street car and rev the engine to 2500-3000 rpm > > (the idle speed of a modern F1) > > > > 2) Drop your car into gear. > > > > 3) Note what happens. > > > > 4) Report back to us with your findings. > > > > Thanks. > > > >

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>On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:43:49 -0400, "Luis Soto" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>You can actually turn it off. I'm also EXTREMELY annoyed by the car >>creeping when idling in gear, but I'm not sure if this is at all inaccurate, >>since you *are* providing engine power to the "drive" wheels when you put in >>gear. I think they overdid it, though. > >Luis: > >1) Go to your street car and rev the engine to 2500-3000 rpm >(the idle speed of a modern F1) > >2) Drop your car into gear. > >3) Note what happens. > >4) Report back to us with your findings. > >Thanks. >

If the idle speed alone will move the gar in gear, then how/why to the drivers sometimes stall it coming out of the pits? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <ApOg5.576$[email hidden]>, "Norm" <[email hidden]> writes: >Is it just me or are most of the problems, bitches and complaints about GP3 >easily fixed when people actually look at the game set-up and tweak it for >each's individual needs. I mean Steering problems but they have steering >help on?? Sheeeeesh guess I will find out how the game really is when it >hits the US. Most people are used to games that work correctly OUT OF THE BOX... Ok, I'll give you the steering help. But, when calibrating the controller and graphics takes an hour(or more, by some accounts), people tend to get pissed... I really don't know HOW hard it is, because I'm in the US also. Just opinions. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Macca) writes:

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>you dont get what i mean. What i mean is...in GPL you can go straight >on in the corners and it goes straight. On GP3 it turns in a bit >instead of going dead straight. >Say im about to turn on turn 1 at hockenheim (a right hander) >For some un godly reason i want to turn left there. If i press the >left key just before the turn you go straight on instead of turning >left. If this was GPL you would turn left. >Do you understand now what i mean??

Do you have steering help on? If so, it tries to guide you through the turn. There are two different places you have to disable it, I think... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>you dont get what i mean. What i mean is...in GPL you can go straight >on in the corners and it goes straight. On GP3 it turns in a bit >instead of going dead straight. >Say im about to turn on turn 1 at hockenheim (a right hander) >For some un godly reason i want to turn left there. If i press the >left key just before the turn you go straight on instead of turning >left. If this was GPL you would turn left. >Do you understand now what i mean??

I know what you mean Macca. There are two lots of steering assist in GP3. One is in the normal driving aids, the other is in the Controller Setup. There is a bar that that says "Steering Assist" (or something like that), and it defaults to 100%. If you turn this down to 0%, then it will get rid of your problem.. You can only change this if you create a new setup option. Click on the right of screen to where it says "Unused" and set up your controller from scratch. This DOESN'T work when setting up a new keyboard setup !! (I don't know why though) Hope this helps...

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:51:10 +0200, "Bart Westra" ........ Actually I never had any problem turning around. Just make sure to disable traction help, and it was very well possible to make the car spin 180. Haven't tested this yet, but it sounds good that this aspect has been improved. Like I said: was very well possible in GP2, too.

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> >With keyboard control, steering assist is required to play the game - > > Right. It would be totally unplayable. > > >otherwise it wouldn't be able to differentiate between turning round a > >hairpin and taking a very slight corner. The steering assist turns you > >part of the way, pressing the key brings it to the correct level of > >steering. This is how it was in GP1 and 2, but the steering assist was > >glitchy in GP2, causing you to spin sometimes through no fault of your > >own. > > Never happened to me. You just need to be GOOD enough :-)

No, it was a bug. Take the example of the pit straight at Interlagos, where the steering assist would sometimes try to turn you into the pits while you were doing 180mph. -- Andrew Gillett http://argnet.fatal-design.com/ ICQ: See homepage Medial inferior genicular artery

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:51:10 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >"Macca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... ........

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>> In GPL you can turn anyway you want on a turn, straight etc. You cant >> do this in GP3. If you are on a straight and slow right down and try >> to turn the opposite way, the wheel only turns about 10% and you glide >> intot he wall. If you want to turn say left, and a right hand corner, >> you cant. I use the keyboard, and if you press left, you go straight >> on. > >When driving with the keyboard some sort of steering help is needed since >you can only indicate neutral, full left and full right steering, and >therefor the game enforces it. Steering help limits the amount that the >front wheels can turn. >In GP2 almost no lock is allowed on straights, it is even so that if you end >up the wrong way on a straight after a spin in GP2, it is impossible to turn >around with steering help on unless you engage the "power turn gear" (shift >down from 1st) This is a clever invention to turn off the steering help >temporarily or at least allow a much greater lock. Some drivers use it on >purpose in tight low speed corners.

Actually I never had any problem turning around. Just make sure to disable traction help, and it was very well possible to make the car spin 180�. >The keyboard driving in GP3 is quite improved I think. Instead of allowing >no lock at all on straights, you get some lock for a short while when you >press < or >, then the game steers you back. Same in turns when you steer >the wrong way. This allows you to move around other cars on your own (GP2 >released the steering help when another car was around, making it difficult >to stay on the track). Haven't tested this yet, but it sounds good that this aspect has been improved. >And also you can do power turns without the need of a >"power turn gear". Like I said: was very well possible in GP2, too. >Bart Westra > >

>With keyboard control, steering assist is required to play the game - Right. It would be totally unplayable. >otherwise it wouldn't be able to differentiate between turning round a >hairpin and taking a very slight corner. The steering assist turns you >part of the way, pressing the key brings it to the correct level of >steering. This is how it was in GP1 and 2, but the steering assist was >glitchy in GP2, causing you to spin sometimes through no fault of your >own. Never happened to me. You just need to be GOOD enough :-) >I haven't got GP3 yet so I don't know if this is fixed. Well, my first impressions were that GP2 is actually a little better with the keyboard. But to be honest I haven't driven enough to really compare it. Also only default setup until now. JoH

In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>>>You can actually turn it off. I'm also EXTREMELY annoyed by the car >>>>creeping when idling in gear, but I'm not sure if this is at all >inaccurate, >>>>since you *are* providing engine power to the "drive" wheels when you put >in >>>>gear. I think they overdid it, though. >>> >>>Luis: >>> >>>1) Go to your street car and rev the engine to 2500-3000 rpm >>>(the idle speed of a modern F1) >>> >>>2) Drop your car into gear. >>> >>>3) Note what happens. >>> >>>4) Report back to us with your findings. >>> >>>Thanks. >>> >> >>If the idle speed alone will move the gar in gear, then how/why to the >drivers >>sometimes stall it coming out of the pits? > >When they stall, Eldred, have you ever noticed that the car >tries to lurch forward?

Presumably, they're also on the gas at that point. If the idle speed is enough to move the car by itself, then it shouldn't stall... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, rrevved <[email hidden]> writes:

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>>Presumably, they're also on the gas at that point. If the idle speed is >enough >>to move the car by itself, then it shouldn't stall... >> >>Eldred > >Thats not true, Eldred. When the clutch is released, a load is placed on >the engine. If it hasn't got enough power, it will stall. Just like a normal >car except made MUCH worse by the fact that a race car has next >to no low-end torque and has a low rotational momentum. ie: a VERY >light flywheel and drivetrain components. > >Trust me, Eldred , it will lurch forward and then sputter out unless >it is revved to a high enough RPM prior to dumping the clutch . > >You have driven a manual shift street car haven't you? >

Yes, years ago. My take on it was that the revs in idle were much to low to 'drive' the car. Thus, when you engaged the gear, it killed the engine. If it's one of those 'momentary' drops that kills the engine, then I'll agree(grudgingly<g>). Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.