Re: Hotlap trauma

On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:12:03 +0100, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Now, All I ask is, how do you learn a track so well, create such a perfect >setup and manage to do sub-normal times in the space of an hour or so. I >doubt they spend much more on the track these hotlappers, They must eat and >sleep and see sunlight like the rest of us I would imagine. > Im not any good at setting up the car, i just play around with the ratios and the wing settings, i got no idea about the rest of the stuff, or what it does. I can however memorise a track and where exactly the limit is on each turn within an hour or so, probably less. ___________________ Macca "I'd kill myself for you...Id kill you for myself" Pantera - This Love

Ok, this one has really stumped me, many some of you might know..... GP3 is out about a week now with warez and all. For arguments sake lets say 7 days. The game is downloaded, give that a few hours. Then for the rest of that day you look through all the options and stuff of GP3 set it up for your liking and race around getting a feel for the game. Your now down to 6 days. That would mean that on average you would need to be able to create a perfect set-up from, scratch, learn the track inch by inch and post a sub-normal time in the space of an hour or two at most, and you'd need to do about an average of 3 tracks a day. Then post those hotlaps to somewhere like BH Motorsports.com Now, All I ask is, how do you learn a track so well, create such a perfect setup and manage to do sub-normal times in the space of an hour or so. I doubt they spend much more on the track these hotlappers, They must eat and sleep and see sunlight like the rest of us I would imagine. How do they do it? It usually takes me weeks and months to do really great times in a sim on one track alone. Since in an hour or two these guys and break lap records in a few months they'll be lapping Hockenheim in less than a minute you'd nearly think. How do you/they do it?

WOW !!! That would take me 3 lifetimes to replicate !!!

GraDee <[email hidden]> schreef in berichtnieuws 8m12go$s32$[email hidden]... > Ok, this one has really stumped me, many some of you might know..... > > GP3 is out about a week now with warez and all. For arguments sake letssay > 7 days. The game is downloaded, give that a few hours. Then for the restof > that day you look through all the options and stuff of GP3 set it up for > your liking and race around getting a feel for the game. > Your now down to 6 days. That would mean that on average you would need to > be able to create a perfect set-up from, scratch, learn the track inch by > inch and post a sub-normal time in the space of an hour or two at most,and > you'd need to do about an average of 3 tracks a day. > Then post those hotlaps to somewhere like BH Motorsports.com > > Now, All I ask is, how do you learn a track so well, create such a perfect > setup and manage to do sub-normal times in the space of an hour or so. I > doubt they spend much more on the track these hotlappers, They must eatand > sleep and see sunlight like the rest of us I would imagine. > > How do they do it? It usually takes me weeks and months to do really great > times in a sim on one track alone. Since in an hour or two these guys and > break lap records in a few months they'll be lapping Hockenheim in lessthan > a minute you'd nearly think. > > How do you/they do it? > Ofcourse some are good. But i can tell you one thing. For example F1 2000. Look at bhmotorsports.com. Go to 'guides'. And read how they improve their car. I personnaly find this cheating. Ofcourse they never admit that. But I raced for example 1:09 at Austria in F1 2000 after racing more than hundred laps. So pretty good i think. But then you see a hotlap 4 secs faster. Ofcourse some are better than others, but 4 secs difference has absolutly to do with editing some things. For example, download the setups they used. You will see much wings. By cheating they get more horsepower and can set the wings pretty high, so they have speed and downforce then..... I wont use this tricks. I dont know if this is the same with GP3, but i only know they are always people who are so smart to change things outside of the regular menus.

In article <IoWg5.513252$k22.2277090@flipper>, "HJ Ventura" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Ofcourse some are good. But i can tell you one thing. For example F1 2000. >Look at bhmotorsports.com. Go to 'guides'. And read how they improve their >car. I personnaly find this cheating. Ofcourse they never admit that. >But I raced for example 1:09 at Austria in F1 2000 after racing more than >hundred laps. So pretty good i think. But then you see a hotlap 4 secs >faster. Ofcourse some are better than others, but 4 secs difference has >absolutly to do with editing some things.

Why do you say they're cheating? I'm more than *8* seconds off a couple records in GPL, but I don't accuse anyone of cheating to get there... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Mon 31 Jul 2000 03:17:00pm, EldredP wrote:

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>In article <IoWg5.513252$k22.2277090@flipper>, "HJ Ventura" ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Ofcourse some are good. But i can tell you one thing. For example >>F1 2000. Look at bhmotorsports.com. Go to 'guides'. And read how >>they improve their car. I personnaly find this cheating. Ofcourse >>they never admit that. But I raced for example 1:09 at Austria in >>F1 2000 after racing more than hundred laps. So pretty good i >>think. But then you see a hotlap 4 secs faster. Ofcourse some are >>better than others, but 4 secs difference has absolutly to do with >>editing some things. > >Why do you say they're cheating? I'm more than *8* seconds off a >couple records in GPL, but I don't accuse anyone of cheating to get >there...

Pah! I'm proud of my Ring record, but that's more than half a *minute* behind Huttu and Woeger. Not sure anyone would accuse them of cheating, except in nabbing all the talent... -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.90) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

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> >Hehe, I was wondering the same thing. Be sure and grab that >Japan lap over at BH Motorsports. Watch it from the cockpit >view. It is awesome.. > >Here, in case you can't find it, I just put it on my FTP site. > >Check it out.. > >ftp://ftp.mindspring.com/users/rrev/DavidJapan138445.zip

WOW !!! That would take me 3 lifetimes to replicate !!!

> >Why do you say they're cheating? I'm more than *8* seconds off a > >couple records in GPL, but I don't accuse anyone of cheating to get > >there... Well... i just explain how they manage to do it. And they cannot race a time like that without editing stuff. I personnally find, if others dont know how to race such times, that you should give that information to them too. I can tell you, i dont use the replay manager, but with the editing, i would be in hall of fame in at least 5 tracks. So thats too easy... Call it what you want, its just they dont do it in the regular way!!! (and i find that cheating, because the game is not supposed to play in that way) > Pah! I'm proud of my Ring record, but that's more than half a *minute* > behind Huttu and Woeger. Not sure anyone would accuse them of cheating, > except in nabbing all the talent... I'm also proud of mines in F1 2000. I like it if someone is really competitive. I play races online in F1 2000. The only thing i wanna know then, is that we race with the same conditions (besides the setups of the cars). Maybe you can understand a bit what i mean. I am not saying that with editing files, the games are easy to play. O no... its just i wanna let some people know where the guys get their advantage. HJ Not only the quiet people, dont say much...

On Tue 01 Aug 2000 08:57:11pm, HJ Ventura wrote: <snip> >I only say that the feature 'enable identical >player vehicle' gives Mcl and Ferrari 30 to 40 more horsepower. Just >like that.<snip> Ah,I see. We're at cross-purposes here. I thought you were referring to GPL (where that option isn't possible). -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.90) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

On Mon 31 Jul 2000 07:56:02pm, HJ Ventura wrote:

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>> >Why do you say they're cheating? I'm more than *8* seconds off a >> >couple records in GPL, but I don't accuse anyone of cheating to >> >get there... > >Well... i just explain how they manage to do it. And they cannot >race a time like that without editing stuff. I personnally find, if >others dont know how to race such times, that you should give that >information to them too. I can tell you, i dont use the replay >manager, but with the editing, i would be in hall of fame in at >least 5 tracks. So thats too easy... Call it what you want, its just >they dont do it in the regular way!!! (and i find that cheating, >because the game is not supposed to play in that way)

<snip> OK, I've looked at the Setup guide at Blackhole Motorsports, and frankly I can't see anything wrong with it. It's fairly standard (though very detailed) advice of the "increase toe-in to stop wandering" variety. Every setup guide I've read has something of this sort. If you're seriously suggesting that players should develop their setups entirely alone, you're in a very small minority. It just isn't how mist of us do it. -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.90) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

In article <6Zjh5.527087$k22.2329785@flipper>, "HJ Ventura" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> >Why do you say they're cheating? I'm more than *8* seconds off a >> >couple records in GPL, but I don't accuse anyone of cheating to get >> >there... > >Well... i just explain how they manage to do it. And they cannot race a time >like that without editing stuff. I personnally find, if others dont know how >to race such times, that you should give that information to them too. I can >tell you, i dont use the replay manager, but with the editing, i would be in >hall of fame in at least 5 tracks. So thats too easy... Call it what you >want, its just they dont do it in the regular way!!! (and i find that >cheating, because the game is not supposed to play in that way) >

No, you *didn't* explain how they do it. You just posted a website, which I admit I haven't looked at yet. I'll check it out. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: No, you *didn't* explain how they do it. You just posted a website, which I admit I haven't looked at yet. I'll check it out. Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> > If you're seriously suggesting that players should develop their setups > entirely alone, you're in a very small minority. It just isn't how mist > of us do it. Never said that. I only say that the feature 'enable identical player vehicle' gives Mcl and Ferrari 30 to 40 more horsepower. Just like that. So thats without even changing normal carsettings. That was all... So just explaining to guys who did work hard on their settings and dont understand why they cannot run times like in the Hall of Fame (especially not with the settings you can download over there). The settings that are available on such sites are many times settings which you should use in combination with the feature i mentioned before. I hope, now its clear ....

"GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Now, All I ask is, how do you learn a track so well, create such a perfect >setup and manage to do sub-normal times in the space of an hour or so. I >doubt they spend much more on the track these hotlappers, They must eat and >sleep and see sunlight like the rest of us I would imagine. GraDee, it's just statistics... Most everything in the world "bell curves" out, the bulk of the sample in the middle of the curve, a tiny minority at the top and bottom ends of the curve. So, then, if there are 100,000 people who bought GP3, there might be 10,000 that we would count as "serious" sim-drivers. Of that 10,000 "serious" drivers, one half of one percent, or 20 drivers total, are going to have posess a skill level that looks like cheating to the rest of us. Those folks, Huttu, Woeger, and the rest, are the Sennas and Shumachers of the sim-racing world. No cheating involved, just a mindboggling level of giftedness. In the online GPL community, there are frequent joking references to the "Alien Driver Class". The joke is based on the fact described in the paragraph above. See you on the track, Chris Noto.