iRacing mentioned on BBC news!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7633110.stm :-) RobP

[email hidden] (Rob P) wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7633110.stm Interesting. I'm far more interested in Sky Challenge than iRacing now. At one stage I tried to get online pylon racing kick-started among the LOMAC community, but there wasn't much interest. Given that the flight models on their recent aircraft are among the most advanced available to simmers, that was a bit of a disappointment. So that kind of project might be one I'd be prepared to pay more for than iRacing. Flight sims were what got me into PC gaming, after all. Ok, and the IndyCar Racing review in the same magazine as the Tornado review. :-) Sky Challenge appears not to have a web presence yet though, from what I can find. And the iRacing stuff was just the usual Kaemmer blah, blah. Maybe if it's repeated often enough it'll come true. That sounds a bit bitchy. I apologise... it's a knee-jerk reaction to the iRacing email I just received telling me about the Silverado. I find it hard to take seriously any organisation which thinks that racing pick-up trucks is A Good Idea. Don't your shotguns and roadkill tend to fall out of the back when you corner too fast? Andrew McP

mcp.andrew DELETTHISgmail.com (Andrew MacPherson) wrote: > That sounds a bit bitchy. I apologise... it's a knee-jerk reaction > to the iRacing email I just received telling me about the > Silverado. I find it hard to take seriously any organisation which > thinks that racing pick-up trucks is A Good Idea. Don't your > shotguns and roadkill tend to fall out of the back when you corner > too fast? Are you drunk? How did you jump from someone racing/driving a pickup truck to someone who carries a shotgun and hauls roadkill?

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[email hidden] (John Doe) wrote: > Are you drunk? Last time I was drunk was 1989. I suspect my hangover's gone by now. > How did you jump from someone racing/driving a pickup > truck to someone who carries a shotgun and hauls roadkill? Did I touch a nerve there or something? I know we live in serious times, especially for those in the USSA, but are you familiar with the concept of humour? ;-) Besides, and let's be totally serious... in which parallel universe is utility vehicle racing taken seriously? Truck racing is intriguing (I seem to remember a demo which gave me a grin for half an hour), but a novelty for truckers rather than a serious format. Pick-up racing is equally insane; a format designed by marketing types to appeal to pick-up truck drivers and those who'd like to sell stuff to pick-up drivers. I honestly can't look at one without smiling. It just makes no sense whatsoever. Of course arguably no type of racing makes any kind of sense. But watching snail racing is probably less interesting than even the dullest F1 or BTCC race. Similarly I'd rate a pick-up truck race (based on my limited experience of a few race 'highlights', admittedly) as marginally less interesting than watching a game of Pooh-sticks. Obviously if you had to race with the pick-up full of tools, bags of cement, or that contentious roadkill (or perhaps mixed loads with a diving-style degree of difficulty system), then it might get interesting... I mean then it would be a test of some kind of useful skill. Again we may be facing a cultural divide here, just as I was describing on the subject of oval racing recently. But I fail to see how iRacing is doing anything other than wasting time trying to chase minority formats like pick-up trucks. I may, however, be *wildly* underestimating the untapped potential among the pick-truck racing community. But as I hover over the re-subscribe button this weekend after a month away, it is decisions like this by iRacing which increasingly make me wonder how long they'll be around. Andrew McP

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>> That sounds a bit bitchy. I apologise... it's a knee-jerk reaction >> to the iRacing email I just received telling me about the >> Silverado. I find it hard to take seriously any organisation which >> thinks that racing pick-up trucks is A Good Idea. Don't your >> shotguns and roadkill tend to fall out of the back when you corner >> too fast? > > Are you drunk? How did you jump from someone racing/driving a pickup > truck to someone who carries a shotgun and hauls roadkill?

No, if he was drunk, then he'd be a Nascar fan. Growing up in Texas, part of that time in rural Texas, I'd equate pickup trucks with rifle and shotguns mounts in the back of the cab. Probably shotguns because your aim isn't too good when you're drunk. Roadkills where just bonuses to lousy hunting skills. Some of iRacings choice of cars seems questionable if the goal is to attract players rather than punish the ones that do rent iRacing. "Thanks for signing up to rent iRacing, we start you off with undesirable cars, but our physics is so good you should ignore that fact, and eventually we'll be releasing new cars that you can pay fees for so you can rent them as well." "Hey good news, we just added the Silverado to our list of racing vehicles".

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>>> That sounds a bit bitchy. I apologise... it's a knee-jerk >>> reaction to the iRacing email I just received telling me about >>> the Silverado. I find it hard to take seriously any organisation >>> which thinks that racing pick-up trucks is A Good Idea. Don't >>> your shotguns and roadkill tend to fall out of the back when you >>> corner too fast? >> >> Are you drunk? How did you jump from someone racing/driving a >> pickup truck to someone who carries a shotgun and hauls roadkill? > > No, if he was drunk, then he'd be a Nascar fan.

You misspelled "I am a bored troll". > Growing up in Texas, part of that time in rural Texas, I'd equate > pickup trucks with rifle and shotguns mounts in the back of the > cab. Probably shotguns because your aim isn't too good when you're > drunk. Roadkills where just bonuses to lousy hunting skills. That social/political slant has nothing to do with reality. Instead of dumping everything on this recreation group, try venturing out to a politically oriented group that is better suited and will provide the attention you crave.

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> That social/political slant has nothing to do with reality. Instead > of dumping everything on this recreation group, try venturing out to > a politically oriented group that is better suited and will provide > the attention you crave. I never realised that Nascar was political. I think this pretty much describes the atmoshpere and the type of fan that Nascar was going for, in this comment on it's first televised race: "but the big story was the post-race fight on the track's infield between Cale Yarborough and Donnie Allison, who crashed together on the final lap." From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_on_television_and_radio

Adding the trucks will bring in more drivers than any Road course car could. Truck racing is some of the best oval track racing around, As far as snails and F1 the snail race would probaly be more interesting than most of the F1 races I watch which usaully put me to sleep. Don "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> [email hidden] (John Doe) wrote: > >> Are you drunk? > > Last time I was drunk was 1989. I suspect my hangover's gone by now. > >> How did you jump from someone racing/driving a pickup >> truck to someone who carries a shotgun and hauls roadkill? > > Did I touch a nerve there or something? I know we live in serious times, > especially > for those in the USSA, but are you familiar with the concept of humour? > ;-) > > Besides, and let's be totally serious... in which parallel universe is > utility > vehicle racing taken seriously? Truck racing is intriguing (I seem to > remember a > demo which gave me a grin for half an hour), but a novelty for truckers > rather than > a serious format. Pick-up racing is equally insane; a format designed by > marketing > types to appeal to pick-up truck drivers and those who'd like to sell > stuff to > pick-up drivers. I honestly can't look at one without smiling. It just > makes no > sense whatsoever. > > Of course arguably no type of racing makes any kind of sense. But watching > snail > racing is probably less interesting than even the dullest F1 or BTCC race. > Similarly I'd rate a pick-up truck race (based on my limited experience of > a few > race 'highlights', admittedly) as marginally less interesting than > watching a game > of Pooh-sticks. > > Obviously if you had to race with the pick-up full of tools, bags of > cement, or > that contentious roadkill (or perhaps mixed loads with a diving-style > degree of > difficulty system), then it might get interesting... I mean then it would > be a test > of some kind of useful skill. > > Again we may be facing a cultural divide here, just as I was describing on > the > subject of oval racing recently. But I fail to see how iRacing is doing > anything > other than wasting time trying to chase minority formats like pick-up > trucks. > > I may, however, be *wildly* underestimating the untapped potential among > the > pick-truck racing community. But as I hover over the re-subscribe button > this > weekend after a month away, it is decisions like this by iRacing which > increasingly > make me wonder how long they'll be around. > > Andrew McP >

Andrew MacPherson wrote: > I may, however, be *wildly* underestimating the untapped potential among the > pick-truck racing community. But as I hover over the re-subscribe button this > weekend after a month away, it is decisions like this by iRacing which increasingly > make me wonder how long they'll be around. Trucks are huge in the US (no I don't mean physically!) Having vehicles like this is essential to its success and what a big chunk of the membership have been waiting for. Cheers Tony

[email hidden] (Tony R) wrote: > Trucks are huge in the US (no I don't mean physically!) Intriguing. That country is more f*cked up than I ever suspected. And I suspected quite a lot already. :-) Andrew McP

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>> I may, however, be *wildly* underestimating the untapped potential among the >> pickup-truck racing community. But as I hover over the re-subscribe button this >> weekend after a month away, it is decisions like this by iRacing which increasingly >> make me wonder how long they'll be around. > > Trucks are huge in the US (no I don't mean physically!) > > Having vehicles like this is essential to its success and what a big chunk of the membership have been waiting for.

I'm not sure there's much of a correlation betweens fans of Nascar, much less Nascar trucks, and sim oriented racing game players, especially if significant skills are involved. In my opinion, one of the main reasons that NR2003's restrictor plate track open servers were so popular, is that just about anyone can win, regardless of huge disparities in skill level, because of the assists and draft effects. Basically it worked because it took the "sim" out of sim racing. iRacing isn't doing this (at least not yet), so it will be a different player base. Personally I would like to see LM, LMP, and GT type cars in the game, one because they look nice, and two because unlike F1, passing is still possible. The issue with F1 cars is that the high amount of aerodyanmics makes passing difficult. The cars brake extremely quickly so it's hard to pass under braking. The cars reach their drag limited top speed very quickly, so a higher speed on corner exit doesn't translate into a passing opportunity unless it's very soon after the corner exit.

[email hidden] (jeffareid) wrote: > The issue with F1 cars is that the high amount of aerodyanmics > makes passing difficult. F1 has many problems... many of them Bernie Ecclestone-shaped. But it remains the pinnacle (IMO anyway) of motor racing engineering, which is why it's hard to ignore even though I long for the days when it was less corporate. The two go hand in hand though... necessary evil. Andrew McP

"Don Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gbj5qk$h3f$[email hidden]... > Adding the trucks will bring in more drivers than any Road course car > could. Truck racing is some of the best oval track racing around, As far > as snails and F1 the snail race would probaly be more interesting than > most of the F1 races I watch which usaully put me to sleep. > Don >I got the same way for a few years concerning F1, but the last two years has been a lot better. This year's finishes have made it even more interesting for me and I always TIVO qualifying and the race. There are actually 4 teams that have a chance to win on any given raceday if the stars align correctly.......:-) Ed

"Don Schwartz Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:gbj5qk$h3f$[email hidden]: > Adding the trucks will bring in more drivers than any Road course car > could. Truck racing is some of the best oval track racing around, As > far as snails and F1 the snail race would probaly be more interesting > than most of the F1 races I watch which usaully put me to sleep. > Don There is nothing sexy or exciting about a car made to look like a pickup driving around in circles. You are thinking far too American-centric.

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> [email hidden] (Tony R) wrote: > >> Trucks are huge in the US (no I don't mean physically!) > > Intriguing. That country is more f*cked up than I ever suspected. And > I suspected quite a lot already. :-) > > Andrew McP > >

They are only popular in redneck country. Go to any civilised city and hardly anyone drives a redneck pickup truck.

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> in this comment (about Nascar) on it's first televised race: > > "but the big story was the post-race fight on the track's infield between > Cale Yarborough and Donnie Allison, who crashed together on the final lap." > > From Wiki: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_on_television_and_radio

Considering the leaders of the race collided with each other about half a dozen times or so on the final lap, eventually taking each other out, had this been iRacing, what would this have done to their SR? Also if Nascar like realism is an aspect of the game, then where are the post race fights? I recall that EA's Need For Speed version of "Nascar Underground" might include post race fights, but now in mixed martial arts style (there will be an infield cage). Of this was only supposed to happen when iRacing's business model fails and EA buys the rights to iRacing.

> Considering the leaders of the race collided with each other about half > a dozen times or so on the final lap, eventually taking each other out, had > this been iRacing, what would this have done to their SR? It wouldn't have had a huge impact, provided they ran the rest of the race cleanly. Infact, if they were otherwise clean, they might even gain safety rating. Some races are longer than others and in the higher license levels it may sometimes be easier to lose SR but (as many people forget) it's also easier to gain it if you're clean.

Really. Funny how the F150 and Silverado are the #1 selling vehicles in the USA. Well, actually that is being challanged lately but for the last 30 years plus that's the way it's been. -Larry "Adamo Contadino" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gbtde9$vrn$[email hidden]... > They are only popular in redneck country. Go to any civilised city and > hardly anyone drives a redneck pickup truck.

Tim, I'm not so sure about the "Easier to Gain" part :) Yes, it's easy to loose. In Class C, you can lose a full 1/2 point quite easily. Possibly more. But a totally clean, 60 lap race will only net you a .13 gain back in return. Been there, done that. A few times :) -Larry "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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>> Considering the leaders of the race collided with each other about half >> a dozen times or so on the final lap, eventually taking each other out, >> had >> this been iRacing, what would this have done to their SR? > > It wouldn't have had a huge impact, provided they ran the rest of the > race cleanly. Infact, if they were otherwise clean, they might even > gain safety rating. Some races are longer than others and in the > higher license levels it may sometimes be easier to lose SR but (as > many people forget) it's also easier to gain it if you're clean.

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> Tim, > > I'm not so sure about the "Easier to Gain" part :) > > Yes, it's easy to loose.  In Class C, you can lose a full 1/2 point quite > easily.  Possibly more.  But a totally clean, 60 lap race will only net you > a .13 gain back in return. > > Been there, done that.  A few times :) > > -Larry > > "Tim Wheatley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > >> Considering the leaders of the race collided with each other about half > >> a dozen times or so on the final lap, eventually taking each other out, > >> had > >> this been iRacing, what would this have done to their SR? > > > It wouldn't have had a huge impact, provided they ran the rest of the > > race cleanly. Infact, if they were otherwise clean, they might even > > gain safety rating. Some races are longer than others and in the > > higher license levels it may sometimes be easier to lose SR but (as > > many people forget) it's also easier to gain it if you're cle

The exact same sum that takes away, adds. If you're clean for all sessions, joining a Class C race is the most beneficial session currently available.

"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:YroFk.25029$[email hidden]: > Really. Funny how the F150 and Silverado are the #1 selling vehicles > in the USA. Well, actually that is being challanged lately but for > the last 30 years plus that's the way it's been. > > -Larry Yea, well, it's just proof that the USA has far too many rednecks and any civilized Euro would not want to live there for very long. No, fried chicken and biscuits is not haute cuisine.

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>>> Considering the leaders of the race collided with each other about half >>> a dozen times or so on the final lap, eventually taking each other out, had >>> this been iRacing, what would this have done to their SR? > Yes, it's easy to loose. In Class C, you can lose a full 1/2 point quite > easily. Possibly more. But a totally clean, 60 lap race will only net you a > .13 gain back in return.

Remember this happened in a real Nascar race. The first one to get televised, the leaders repeated ram each other, finally take each other out on the last lap, then get into a post race fight. Welcome to Nascar.

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:YroFk.25029$[email hidden]: > >> Really. Funny how the F150 and Silverado are the #1 selling vehicles >> in the USA. Well, actually that is being challanged lately but for >> the last 30 years plus that's the way it's been. >> >> -Larry > > Yea, well, it's just proof that the USA has far too many rednecks and any > civilized Euro would not want to live there for very long. No, fried > chicken and biscuits is not haute cuisine.

Translation - \ Most Euro trash's mothers have had way to much say in their ?up? bringing and thus would never have the balls or tactics to cut it in the more interesting parts and cultural aspects of the U.S.

> Yea, well, it's just proof that the USA has far too many rednecks and any > civilized Euro would not want to live there for very long. No, fried > chicken and biscuits is not haute cuisine. As a Brit who lives in the USA and has sat in those 'redneck' trucks, I have to say they're absolutely luxurious. It's not like they're a car with one door a different colour or something. The trucks are powerful machines and they cost a lot of money, no jobless individual can possibly afford one, they are the vehicle of a single guy (it's the equivalent of driving a sportscar) or a hard-working person who actually needs it. There's far more jobs in the manual labour field here than in the UK (they still pay people a good days pay for a good days work). IMHO, no civilized European would make assumptions about an entire nation based on what he's seen on television or thinks he knows.

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> Translation - \ > > Most Euro trash's mothers have had way to much say in their ?up? > bringing and thus would never have the balls or tactics to cut it in > the more interesting parts and cultural aspects of the U.S. > > >

There's the problem. USA is not interesting and lacks culture.

Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > IMHO, no civilized European would make assumptions about an entire > nation based on what he's seen on television or thinks he knows. > I've been to more stsates than you have had hot dinners, matey.

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> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:48e7501d$[email hidden]: > >> Translation - \ >> >> Most Euro trash's mothers have had way to much say in their ?up? >> bringing and thus would never have the balls or tactics to cut it in >> the more interesting parts and cultural aspects of the U.S. >> >> >> > > There's the problem. USA is not interesting and lacks culture.

So lots of people getting killed is not interesting - drugs, mafia, racial issues, etc? And the basic culture is military/misleadership - the gods use it to run the show (into the ground). It's the new Rome.

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> Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:[email hidden]: > >> IMHO, no civilized European would make assumptions about an entire >> nation based on what he's seen on television or thinks he knows. >> > > I've been to more stsates than you have had hot dinners, matey.

You'd better hope he's had less than 52 hot dinners in his entire life.....

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> So lots of people getting killed is not interesting - drugs, > mafia, > racial issues, etc? And the basic culture is military/misleadership - > the gods use it to run the show (into the ground). It's the new Rome. > > >

Probably the shortest lasting empire ever too. The Brits did it so much better than the U.S. could ever hope to do.

John Wallace <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > You'd better hope he's had less than 52 hot dinners in his entire > life..... > Well, it is my educated guess that he is a vegan so he doesn't eat hot dinners.

> Yea, well, it's just proof that the USA has far too many rednecks and any > civilized Euro would not want to live there for very long. No, fried > chicken and biscuits is not haute cuisine. No civilized European would make assumptions about an entire nation or choose to display his prejudice in such a post.

Tim Wheatley <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]: > No civilized European would make assumptions about an entire nation or > choose to display his prejudice in such a post. > Did I say I am a Eurofag? Nope, never said that. You are dismissed.

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> "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:48e8a356$[email hidden]: > >> So lots of people getting killed is not interesting - drugs, >> mafia, >> racial issues, etc? And the basic culture is military/misleadership - >> the gods use it to run the show (into the ground). It's the new Rome. >> >> >> > > Probably the shortest lasting empire ever too. The Brits did it so much > better than the U.S. could ever hope to do.

The Brits? Are they the ones who have queens and christianity? Lets have a look at these 2 little details. Queen - give the reins of country and empire to that which accepts life with a cunt between it's legs. An excellent idea! :) Christianity - the first thing you need to be to be a christian is to confess that you have no brains of your own and no courage to stand on your own 2 feet and play your own game. Or at the very least, a silly cunt that does not insist on standing on it's own 2 feet and working shit out for itself. Not to mention the other incredible feets of naivety that you need to commit to buy into all that bullshit. Christianity is a bitch making machine - get nailed like Jesus and do nothing about it like Jesus - that's all there is to know. Note that the original church is the "Roman" Catholic church - Rome = dago central. Dago = those sucked up 2nd hand cunt and/or fucked up the arse ie cunts. And what do cunts like to do - make cunts out of everyone else of course, as you'd expect the insanely jealous bitches to do. No wonder they are so keen to promote christianty aye? Now lets tie these 2 in together - who did the gods, themselves all hopeless dagos of course, use to keep christianty in England/Britain - one of their good old queens - LOL. She uses their patriotism against them by renaming the church to "The Church of **England**" and the silly English cunts have been fucked ever since. Next time you speak about the wonders of the britsh empire you might like to take these 2 little details into acount. :) Like every other empire it is controlled by the gods to serve the gods ie to make sure men end up as fucked as the gods are. Of couse, I use the word "serve" very loosely. No matter how many the gods fuck, they're still only cunts themselves. :) And I reckon the poor cunts will never be able to do anything about that. Ahhh, it's good to be me! :) Ever untarnished!

Byron Forbes wrote: > Ahhh, it's good to be me! :) Ever untarnished! The Life of Byron! You haven't by chance, a gourd, have you?

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> Byron Forbes wrote: > >> Ahhh, it's good to be me! :) Ever untarnished! > > The Life of Byron! > > You haven't by chance, a gourd, have you? >

A who?

And one wonders where those famous catch-phrases for Euro's come from. Sheesh... "Jimmy Jazz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gc5ltj$iuq$[email hidden]...

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> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:YroFk.25029$[email hidden]: > >> Really. Funny how the F150 and Silverado are the #1 selling vehicles >> in the USA. Well, actually that is being challanged lately but for >> the last 30 years plus that's the way it's been. >> >> -Larry > > Yea, well, it's just proof that the USA has far too many rednecks and any > civilized Euro would not want to live there for very long. No, fried > chicken and biscuits is not haute cuisine.

Larry wrote: > And one wonders where those famous catch-phrases for Euro's come from. > Sheesh... Great, now all the fuckwits who love to generalize have a separate thread. Could you guys just stay there?

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> > > "Jimmy Jazz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gc5ltj$iuq$[email hidden]... >> "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:YroFk.25029$[email hidden]: >> >>> Really. Funny how the F150 and Silverado are the #1 selling vehicles >>> in the USA. Well, actually that is being challanged lately but for >>> the last 30 years plus that's the way it's been. >>> >>> -Larry >> >> Yea, well, it's just proof that the USA has far too many rednecks and any >> civilized Euro would not want to live there for very long. No, fried >> chicken and biscuits is not haute cuisine. >

> > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in >     Christianity - the first thing you need to be to be a christian is to... Byron, I'm a Christian, but I'm nothing like what you describe. I know a lot of Christians, and they also are nothing like this. -- Pat Dotson

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > "Byron Forbes" <[email hidden]> wrote in > Christianity - the first thing you need to be to be a christian is to... Byron, I'm a Christian, but I'm nothing like what you describe. I know a lot of Christians, and they also are nothing like this. -- Pat Dotson Well in that case Pat, for me to change my view I'd need an explaination as to why you're a christian. And I'll bet the simple answer is that your parents before you were and theirs before them, etc. I'm betting you're a christian because you just are - it's not something YOU decided to be is it? Kind of like a genetically transmitted disease! :) LOL.