Re: RAS formula one drivers mmmm

> After sitting back reading all the pros and cons of GP3 and having raced > around abit with it. it amazes me at what you expect from this game ( the > whingers that is). well, not all of the whiners complain about the physics only ... IMO the physics is quite good, at least better than GP2. but what we all really expected was a GP3, not a GP2.5, and that's what it is. the improvements are: better physics, weather conditions, 3d graphics. that's all. old GP2 bugs are still present, just your own sounds, stupid AI, useless default setups, buggy direct-input support, coarse grained graphics, bad multiplayer. don't get me wrong: I like the game and will probably play it often, but after all the hype I thought it might hook me up like GP2 did 4 years ago or even like GPL did 2 years ago, but this is not the case. best modern f1-sim though, but no milestone. Lio

Don't encourage him... please! Jan. =--- GraDee wrote... > <snip> > here here. Well said James. > >

James Coleman wrote... > After sitting back reading all the pros and cons of GP3 and > having raced around abit with it. it amazes me at what you > expect from this game (the whingers that is). I was hoping to see 4 years worth of improvement. However, after seeing those early videos I sort of lost faith. I still hold my scepticism was justified. > I dont see your names in the top f1 teams on sunday nights > watching the broadcast. Yeah well, if I or any of the people on RAS were F1 drivers we wouldn't have time to playtest racing sims. For the umpteenth time: one doesn't have to be an F1 driver (or need a degree in physics) to see something is not correctly modelled. > GP3 is fun, it handles like a real car Like hell it does, you must have a stronger imagination than I have. Either that or you don't make any driving mistakes. I make quite a lot of driving mistakes... especially in a new sim. I immediately noticed my mistakes in GP3 were having a negligable effect on the car, which is exactly the opposite of what I would expect from a modern F1 car. > my MSFF wheel works great with all the crashes all the kerbs and > grass felt Apart from the initial bump when you hit it there's no FF from the kerb, i.e. you don't feel the reacted force from the slope on the kerb, nor it's ridges. Have a closer look next time I'm not in an F1 race and notice how, even with power steering on the Ferrari and the McLaren the wheel shakes in the hands of DC, Mika, Rubens and MS. > it s easier to drive than that bloody GPL but not as nice as SCGT at > bathurst with V8 Supercar, now thats a challenge, GPL punishes you for making driving mistakes... life's a bitch, ain't it? > Toca 2 is damn fun and handles like a real car. Colin Mcrae shits > on rally 2000 for car dynamics but tracks distance is very arcade > bummer I'd still give it to RC2000 on the whole, although I find the damage/wear thing slightly suspect. The cars do have a tendancy to bounce away from you though. > I wonder how many of these Critics that we are all putting up with > even have a bloody drivers licence at all Check. > or have ever driven a real car. Check. > Or have driven at speed 135mph fast enough for you? > Oh and before you all howl me down i have driven real race > cars( stocks cars, a ford escort rally car, Mazda RX7 GT sports > car and a go at a formula ford) so i can talk from experience. There's lots of posters on RAS with a RL racing background. Only one of the RL racers I'm aware of (apart from you) "loves" GP3. Last I heard he was nursing a FF back to full health after stuffing it.<g> > getting long winded here so i better get of my soap box and say GP3 itworth > the money. It's not bad value for money... as long as that money wasn't mine! ;-) Jan. =--- > > >

here here. Well said James.

Don't encourage him... please! Jan. =---

you drive a Mazda RX7 GT but find GPL to dificult to drive!! -- remind me not to get in a fast car with you hehehe ;) James Coleman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> After sitting back reading all the pros and cons of GP3 and having raced > around abit with it. it amazes me at what you expect from this game ( the > whingers that is). > > I dont see your names in the top f1 teams on sunday nights watching the > broadcast . GP3 is fun, it handles like a real car, my MSFF wheel works > great with all the crashes all the kerbs and grass felt, it s easier to > drive than that bloody GPL but not as nice as SCGT at bathurst with V8 > Supercar, now thats a challenge, Toca 2 is damn fun and handles like a

real > car. Colin Mcrae shits on rally 2000 for car dynamics but tracks distanceis > very arcade bummer > > I wonder how many of these Critics that we are all putting up with evenhave > a bloody drivers licence at all, or have ever driven a real car . Or have > driven at speed, Oh and before you all howl me down i have driven realrace > cars( stocks cars, a ford escort rally car, Mazda RX7 GT sports car and ago > at a formula ford) so i can talk from experience > > getting long winded here so i better get of my soap box and say GP3 itworth > the money > > >

"James Coleman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I wonder how many of these Critics that we are all putting up with evenhave > a bloody drivers licence at all, or have ever driven a real car . Or have > driven at speed, Oh and before you all howl me down i have driven realrace > cars( stocks cars, a ford escort rally car, Mazda RX7 GT sports car and ago > at a formula ford) so i can talk from experience I wonder how many people asking these questions have played World Circuit and GP2 extensively? You don't need a F1 super license to know that SloMo, lack of computer controlled car sounds total crap multiplay is pretty bad. I think many people had expected that after 4 years many of these points would have been addressed. -- [email hidden]

James Coleman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> After sitting back reading all the pros and cons of GP3 and having raced > around abit with it. it amazes me at what you expect from this game ( the > whingers that is). > > I dont see your names in the top f1 teams on sunday nights watching the > broadcast . GP3 is fun, it handles like a real car, my MSFF wheel works > great with all the crashes all the kerbs and grass felt, it s easier to > drive than that bloody GPL but not as nice as SCGT at bathurst with V8 > Supercar, now thats a challenge, Toca 2 is damn fun and handles like a

real > car. Colin Mcrae shits on rally 2000 for car dynamics but tracks distanceis > very arcade bummer > > I wonder how many of these Critics that we are all putting up with evenhave > a bloody drivers licence at all, or have ever driven a real car . Or have > driven at speed, Oh and before you all howl me down i have driven realrace > cars( stocks cars, a ford escort rally car, Mazda RX7 GT sports car and ago > at a formula ford) so i can talk from experience > > getting long winded here so i better get of my soap box and say GP3 itworth > the money > here here. Well said James.

After sitting back reading all the pros and cons of GP3 and having raced around abit with it. it amazes me at what you expect from this game ( the whingers that is). I dont see your names in the top f1 teams on sunday nights watching the broadcast . GP3 is fun, it handles like a real car, my MSFF wheel works great with all the crashes all the kerbs and grass felt, it s easier to drive than that bloody GPL but not as nice as SCGT at bathurst with V8 Supercar, now thats a challenge, Toca 2 is damn fun and handles like a real car. Colin Mcrae shits on rally 2000 for car dynamics but tracks distance is very arcade bummer I wonder how many of these Critics that we are all putting up with even have a bloody drivers licence at all, or have ever driven a real car . Or have driven at speed, Oh and before you all howl me down i have driven real race cars( stocks cars, a ford escort rally car, Mazda RX7 GT sports car and a go at a formula ford) so i can talk from experience getting long winded here so i better get of my soap box and say GP3 it worth the money

(James Coleman) wrote: > I wonder how many of these Critics that we are all putting up > with even have a bloody drivers licence at all, or have ever > driven a real car Oh f*ck...I can't (don't want/need to) drive. Better resign. Sorry for claiming GPL has a great driving model and that nothing else -- especially GP3 -- comes close. I was obviously out of my depth. I'll get my coat. Andrew "I've never run a country so I'd better not vote next time" McP PS GP3 is fun and it is worth the money IMO. But it's GP2 in disguise.