Re: 107% rule

Didn't the commentators say, "H.H.Frenzen and Baricello (sp?) would be allowed to race *if* all other teams said it was ok". The problem is with Maclaren giving an O.K. to Ferrari :-D Jason. EldredP wrote:

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> Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question. What > happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of the weekend? If > the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what happens? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +59.33 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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On Tue 01 Aug 2000 05:19:34am, Brett wrote: ,snip> >we all know the FIA and Ferrari are in bed together, so they would >have never let Rubens miss the race (this ought to open a can of worms ><g>). :) Hmm. Sounds like a case for the MJF Posse - followups set to rasf1... :-) -- David. (GPLRank handicap: -3.90) "After all, a mere thousand yards - such a harmless little knoll, really." (Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh)

Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question. What happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of the weekend? If the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what happens? Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The FIA/F1 can let cars out of the 107% into the field if they are deemed fast enough to make the field. Barichello was never in any trouble, because the FIA was well aware the Ferrari isn't a backmarker. The rule was created for teams such as the Lola team in '96. Teams that consistantly held up everyone else. Besides, we all know the FIA and Ferrari are in bed together, so they would have never let Rubens miss the race (this ought to open a can of worms <g>). :) -- -Brett Goodbye Greg Moore 1975-1999 EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in article <[email hidden]>... > Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question. What > happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of the weekend? If > the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what happens? > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +59.33 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

Yes, it was a well choreographed race wasn't it. Schumacher crashes out at first corner, so they sent some disgruntled ex-employee of Norbert Haug out on the circuit so slow down the cars and give Barrichello a chance to make up for lost time and get to the front. I wonder if Ferrari and the FIA got the Russians to make it rain so that Barrichello would win - everyone knows that Ferrari are better in the wet than McLaren. "Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01beb553$5c4e4920$a7b18ad1@default...

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> The FIA/F1 can let cars out of the 107% into the field if they are deemed > fast enough to make the field. Barichello was never in any trouble, > because the FIA was well aware the Ferrari isn't a backmarker. The rule > was created for teams such as the Lola team in '96. Teams that > consistantly held up everyone else. Besides, we all know the FIA and > Ferrari are in bed together, so they would have never let Rubens miss the > race (this ought to open a can of worms <g>). :) > > -- > -Brett > Goodbye Greg Moore 1975-1999 > > > EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <[email hidden]>... > > Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question.

What > > happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of theweekend?

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> If > > the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what > happens? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL hcp. +59.33 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

The FIA and Ferrari are not just in bed together but i think they must also be relatives, everytime a decision is made it favors Ferrari. Everyone knows the McClaren is a far superior car to the Ferrari, even the Bar and the Arrows is catching up to the Ferrari. Steve! "Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:01beb553$5c4e4920$a7b18ad1@default...

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> The FIA/F1 can let cars out of the 107% into the field if they are deemed > fast enough to make the field. Barichello was never in any trouble, > because the FIA was well aware the Ferrari isn't a backmarker. The rule > was created for teams such as the Lola team in '96. Teams that > consistantly held up everyone else. Besides, we all know the FIA and > Ferrari are in bed together, so they would have never let Rubens miss the > race (this ought to open a can of worms <g>). :) > > -- > -Brett > Goodbye Greg Moore 1975-1999 > > > EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in article > <[email hidden]>... > > Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question.

What > > happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of theweekend?

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> If > > the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, what > happens? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL hcp. +59.33 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Watching the replay of the Hockenheim GP, I had a curious question. What > happens if a few cars qualify, then it rains for the rest of the weekend?If > the remaining cars can't get within 107% because of the rain, whathappens? The official rule is that a car who can't get inside the 107% is not allowed race but under certain conditions such as sudden rain like in France 99 the cars will be given an exception. It was also said by Peter Collins and David Kennedy during qual for Hockenheim that if Rubens wasn't able to get out and set a time that the FIA would probably allow him in since he was able to prove that he was on the pace all weekend. Of curse it doesn't hurt to be in a top team to get an exception, I doubt the Arrows and Minardis would have been allowed race in France had Damon been inside the 107%.

In article <[email hidden]>, Jason Monds <[email hidden]> writes: >Didn't the commentators say, "H.H.Frenzen and Baricello (sp?) would be >allowed to >race *if* all other teams said it was ok". The problem is with Maclaren >giving >an O.K. to Ferrari :-D > I must have missed that part... But, I'd expect the team to say "no" to their main rival... Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +59.33 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've always thought that the 107% rule is more of a throwback to the past when there were more than 22 cars competing for spots on the grid. It allowed the race organizers to get rid of the slower cars and keep a wide open circuit where the hypothetical F1 pass could occur. It seems in recent times that the 107% rule is never enforced.

AndrewS <[email hidden]> wrote: : I've always thought that the 107% rule is more of a throwback to the past : when there were more than 22 cars competing for spots on the grid. It : allowed the race organizers to get rid of the slower cars and keep a wide : open circuit where the hypothetical F1 pass could occur. It seems in recent : times that the 107% rule is never enforced. The 107% rule has been enforced in every season I think. Remember the 107% rule is supposed to be waived when the driver clearly WOULD have been fast enough if they'd got a decent lap in. It's supposed to prevent slow drivers from holding up a race - it's not supposed to exclude people for being unlucky. I.e. you chuck out a minardi who gave it their best but was too slow but you don't chuck out a McLaren that didn't happen to get a clear lap while the track was dry. This was always the intent of the 107 rule. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:13:18 -0400, "AndrewS" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I've always thought that the 107% rule is more of a throwback to the past >when there were more than 22 cars competing for spots on the grid. It Actually, it is a throwback to the past when there were Forti's on the track :)

I think right now the 107 rule is hurting the race action in F1. The teams concentrate on acheiving a qualifying time they can get into the race with, but either ignore race setup preparation, or have tweeked their chassis so much for the 107% rule that they just CAN'T run well in race conditions. Look at JV in "most" of the races. He has qualified quite well sometimes, within a second or so of the leaders, but then he runs in race trim 5 to 6 seconds slower PER LAP!(i.e. Silverstone) Same goes for the lesser teams. They get into that 107% window for qualifying, but I'd like to see the percentage they acheive in race trim. I'm betting it is much worse. dave henrie "Toni Lassila" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... the track :)