Re: GP3 -- No wheel = No play

err, let's just think about this one for a minute. Without steering help, and playing with a keyboard, you're gonna be steering either full lock left, full lock right or straight on. Now d'you really think you can drive an F1 car like that? I don't think so. As for not being able to spin, you're not pushing hard enough. <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8m77bg$9nk$[email hidden]...

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> I finally bought the game today and I want to say I'm deeply > disappointed. Not because of the game itself, but the keyboard > controls. I don't have a wheel and I prefer keyboard to my gamepad for > racing sims. > > Nobody told me before I bought GP3 that you CAN'T turn the steering > help off for keyboard. It's very silly. I'm not an amateur. I don't > want any help. The help system is very intrusive. It kicks in when I'm > going into pits, going out of pits, turning hairpins, turning chicanes > etc. It doesn't even let me spin even if I want to do it deliberately. > What's the fun if you know that can't spin out no matter how bad you > are driving? Do I have to hire Fisichella to take me out? :) > > If somebody had told me about this, I wouldn't have wasted my money. > So, this is my warning to anyone who wants to buy the game and doesn't > have a wheel. I'm very sad because of this as a GP2 fan, but don't > waste your money on GP3 until you buy a wheel. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

I finally bought the game today and I want to say I'm deeply disappointed. Not because of the game itself, but the keyboard controls. I don't have a wheel and I prefer keyboard to my gamepad for racing sims. Nobody told me before I bought GP3 that you CAN'T turn the steering help off for keyboard. It's very silly. I'm not an amateur. I don't want any help. The help system is very intrusive. It kicks in when I'm going into pits, going out of pits, turning hairpins, turning chicanes etc. It doesn't even let me spin even if I want to do it deliberately. What's the fun if you know that can't spin out no matter how bad you are driving? Do I have to hire Fisichella to take me out? :) If somebody had told me about this, I wouldn't have wasted my money. So, this is my warning to anyone who wants to buy the game and doesn't have a wheel. I'm very sad because of this as a GP2 fan, but don't waste your money on GP3 until you buy a wheel. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

bullshit - you guys with your 'wheel only' attitude are just plain wrong. I have until recently always used a digital gamepad to drive with - that means either on or off just like a keyboard. Yet by pumping and tapping the buttons (or keys) you can learn to regulate steering, braking and gas almost as effectivly as a wheel. again....this sounds like a case of Crammond knows best...... I saw a patch at www.alphaf1.com/gp3 that was called "driving aid enabler". I think it was designed to turn on help in pro mode but perhaps it will also allow you to change whatever you want also? <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8m77bg$9nk$[email hidden]...

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> I finally bought the game today and I want to say I'm deeply > disappointed. Not because of the game itself, but the keyboard > controls. I don't have a wheel and I prefer keyboard to my gamepad for > racing sims. > > Nobody told me before I bought GP3 that you CAN'T turn the steering > help off for keyboard. It's very silly. I'm not an amateur. I don't > want any help. The help system is very intrusive. It kicks in when I'm > going into pits, going out of pits, turning hairpins, turning chicanes > etc. It doesn't even let me spin even if I want to do it deliberately. > What's the fun if you know that can't spin out no matter how bad you > are driving? Do I have to hire Fisichella to take me out? :) > > If somebody had told me about this, I wouldn't have wasted my money. > So, this is my warning to anyone who wants to buy the game and doesn't > have a wheel. I'm very sad because of this as a GP2 fan, but don't > waste your money on GP3 until you buy a wheel. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Yes, I always played GP2, F1RS, MGPRS and F12000 without any steering help with a keyboard. I understand that some of you guys may need the help but I don't and I can't understand why I can't turn it off. It feels like going on rails. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jo Helsen) wrote:

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> So you played GP2 without steeringhelp? > > Any PROOF of that? :-) It's impossible. > > Did you turn off traction control in GP3? > > JoH >

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Ever drive a car with a digital hand controller? What do you think is easier, a wheel and pedals (used in all cars last time I checked) or digital hand controller? You can't compete with a wheel driver using a digital controller. I know analog joystick users do quite well in GPL, but digital, no way. -- Joe Marques Please remove "NO SPAM" to e-mail me. "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KoIh5.126550$[email hidden]... > bullshit - you guys with your 'wheel only' attitude are just plain wrong. I > have until recently always used a digital gamepad to drive with - that means > either on or off just like a keyboard. Yet by pumping and tapping the > buttons (or keys) you can learn to regulate steering, braking and gas almost > as effectivly as a wheel. > > again....this sounds like a case of Crammond knows best...... > > I saw a patch at www.alphaf1.com/gp3 that was called "driving aid enabler". > I think it was designed to turn on help in pro mode but perhaps it will also > allow you to change whatever you want also? > > <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8m77bg$9nk$[email hidden]... > > I finally bought the game today and I want to say I'm deeply > > disappointed. Not because of the game itself, but the keyboard > > controls. I don't have a wheel and I prefer keyboard to my gamepad for > > racing sims. > > > > Nobody told me before I bought GP3 that you CAN'T turn the steering > > help off for keyboard. It's very silly. I'm not an amateur. I don't > > want any help. The help system is very intrusive. It kicks in when I'm > > going into pits, going out of pits, turning hairpins, turning chicanes > > etc. It doesn't even let me spin even if I want to do it deliberately. > > What's the fun if you know that can't spin out no matter how bad you > > are driving? Do I have to hire Fisichella to take me out? :) > > > > If somebody had told me about this, I wouldn't have wasted my money. > > So, this is my warning to anyone who wants to buy the game and doesn't > > have a wheel. I'm very sad because of this as a GP2 fan, but don't > > waste your money on GP3 until you buy a wheel. > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > >

In article <8m77bg$9nk$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > >If somebody had told me about this, I wouldn't have wasted my money. >So, this is my warning to anyone who wants to buy the game and doesn't >have a wheel. I'm very sad because of this as a GP2 fan, but don't >waste your money on GP3 until you buy a wheel. I dont know why you're surprised. The keyboard controls are exactly the same as they are in GP2 and GP1.

For a cheap solution get an analogue joystick (or even gamepad).....there is no doubt that analogue is better for feeding in power and judging corners. The ultimate solution is wheel and pedals, but this is a bit of an investment. Ashley <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8m77bg$9nk$[email hidden]...

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| I finally bought the game today and I want to say I'm deeply | disappointed. Not because of the game itself, but the keyboard | controls. I don't have a wheel and I prefer keyboard to my gamepad for | racing sims. | | Nobody told me before I bought GP3 that you CAN'T turn the steering | help off for keyboard. It's very silly. I'm not an amateur. I don't | want any help. The help system is very intrusive. It kicks in when I'm | going into pits, going out of pits, turning hairpins, turning chicanes | etc. It doesn't even let me spin even if I want to do it deliberately. | What's the fun if you know that can't spin out no matter how bad you | are driving? Do I have to hire Fisichella to take me out? :) | | If somebody had told me about this, I wouldn't have wasted my money. | So, this is my warning to anyone who wants to buy the game and doesn't | have a wheel. I'm very sad because of this as a GP2 fan, but don't | waste your money on GP3 until you buy a wheel. | | | Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ | Before you buy.

In article <8m77bg$9nk$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > If somebody had told me about this, I wouldn't have wasted my money. > So, this is my warning to anyone who wants to buy the game and doesn't > have a wheel. I'm very sad because of this as a GP2 fan, but don't > waste your money on GP3 until you buy a wheel. It's been mentioned numerous times in numerous threads. Cheers, Rod.

"L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KoIh5.126550$[email hidden]... > bullshit - you guys with your 'wheel only' attitude are just plain wrong.I > have until recently always used a digital gamepad to drive with - thatmeans > either on or off just like a keyboard. Yet by pumping and tapping the > buttons (or keys) you can learn to regulate steering, braking and gasalmost > as effectivly as a wheel. Perhaps you should stick with Sony Playstation games then :-) -- [email hidden]

Or perhaps "chequered flag" on the speccy....i think it even had wet weather effects if I recall !! :) Ash "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4BUh5.11692$[email hidden]... | "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:KoIh5.126550$[email hidden]... | > bullshit - you guys with your 'wheel only' attitude are just plainwrong.

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| I | > have until recently always used a digital gamepad to drive with - that | means | > either on or off just like a keyboard. Yet by pumping and tapping the | > buttons (or keys) you can learn to regulate steering, braking and gas | almost | > as effectivly as a wheel. | | Perhaps you should stick with Sony Playstation games then :-) | | | -- | | [email hidden] | | | | |

So you played GP2 without steeringhelp? Any PROOF of that? :-) It's impossible. Did you turn off traction control in GP3? JoH On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:10:46 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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>I finally bought the game today and I want to say I'm deeply >disappointed. Not because of the game itself, but the keyboard >controls. I don't have a wheel and I prefer keyboard to my gamepad for >racing sims. > >Nobody told me before I bought GP3 that you CAN'T turn the steering >help off for keyboard. It's very silly. I'm not an amateur. I don't >want any help. The help system is very intrusive. It kicks in when I'm >going into pits, going out of pits, turning hairpins, turning chicanes >etc. It doesn't even let me spin even if I want to do it deliberately. >What's the fun if you know that can't spin out no matter how bad you >are driving? Do I have to hire Fisichella to take me out? :) > >If somebody had told me about this, I wouldn't have wasted my money. >So, this is my warning to anyone who wants to buy the game and doesn't >have a wheel. I'm very sad because of this as a GP2 fan, but don't >waste your money on GP3 until you buy a wheel. > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.

Now there's a first !!! I agree with something Greg's posted <G> :) -- Ian Parker "Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." <email invalid due to spam> Greg Cisko <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4BUh5.11692$[email hidden]... > "L_NiN0" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:KoIh5.126550$[email hidden]... > > bullshit - you guys with your 'wheel only' attitude are just plain wrong. > I > > have until recently always used a digital gamepad to drive with - that > means > > either on or off just like a keyboard. Yet by pumping and tapping the > > buttons (or keys) you can learn to regulate steering, braking and gas > almost > > as effectivly as a wheel. > > Perhaps you should stick with Sony Playstation games then :-) > > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > >

In rec.autos.simulators, GD wrote: > I dont know why you're surprised. The keyboard controls are > exactly the same as they are in GP2 and GP1. They certainly don't seem that way to me. For keyboard control, I think GP1 was better than GP2, and GP2 was better than GP3. -- Andrew Gillett http://argnet.fatal-design.com/ ICQ: See homepage Medial inferior genicular artery

Agreed....my one major gripe is the steering help and not being able to switch it off for keyboards. Tom -- -- Tom Cosgrave [email hidden] http://www.tomcosgrave.com --> "It was no surface but all feeling" --Manic Street Preachers

In rec.autos.simulators, [email hidden] wrote: > Yes, I always played GP2, F1RS, MGPRS and F12000 without any steering > help with a keyboard. How did you differentiate between a mild turn and almost full lock (for hairpins)? -- Andrew Gillett http://argnet.fatal-design.com/ ICQ: See homepage Medial inferior genicular artery

[email hidden] wrote: : Yes, I always played GP2, F1RS, MGPRS and F12000 without any steering : help with a keyboard. : I understand that some of you guys may need the help but I don't and I : can't understand why I can't turn it off. It feels like going on rails. (Grin) I think what you MEAN here is that GP2, F1RS, MGPRS and F12000 were better at concealing the fact that they were giving you steering help and you didn't NOTICE you had steering help with them. Here's the test - in GP2 or F1RS, press turn right while travelling at speed. If the wheels go to full lock right and you spin off the road then congrats - you had no steering help on. If the wheels go to a softer lock then sorry, you did have steering help on all this time and just didn't notice. -- Richard G. Clegg Only the mind is waving Networks and Non-Linear Dynamics Group Dept. of Mathematics, Uni. of York UPDATED WWW: http://manor.york.ac.uk/

On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:42:17 +0100, "Tom Cosgrave" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Agreed....my one major gripe is the steering help and not being able to >switch it off for keyboards. > >Tom I really don't think that you guys know what you're talking about :-) I wanna see you lap Monaco in GP2 with keyboard and without steeringhelp. Good luck! JoH

In rec.autos.simulators, Richard G Clegg wrote:

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> [email hidden] wrote: > : Yes, I always played GP2, F1RS, MGPRS and F12000 without any steering > : help with a keyboard. > > : I understand that some of you guys may need the help but I don't and I > : can't understand why I can't turn it off. It feels like going on rails. > > (Grin) I think what you MEAN here is that GP2, F1RS, MGPRS and F12000 > were better at concealing the fact that they were giving you steering > help and you didn't NOTICE you had steering help with them. Here's the > test - in GP2 or F1RS, press turn right while travelling at speed. If > the wheels go to full lock right and you spin off the road then congrats > - you had no steering help on. If the wheels go to a softer lock then > sorry, you did have steering help on all this time and just didn't notice.

Exactly. The steering help in GP3 seems much more intrusive than in GP2, I don't feel like I've got so much control. -- Andrew Gillett http://argnet.fatal-design.com/ ICQ: See homepage Medial inferior genicular artery