GP3 better than f12000 on this point

GP3 doesnt need third party accesories to make it a reasonable game the only reason why f12000 is now a "good" game is because of all the patches that people made for it to make it reasonable reading all the posts here when it first came out, everyone said how shit it was, i mean crashes on the parade lap come on!!!! how often does that happen?? once every two years and in extremely wet conditions. major first lap carnage as well all this got fixed by patches, therefore made it a reasonable game the only thing wrong with GP3 is that its the 98 season and not the current. Therefore GP3 is/was a better out of the box game than F12000 ___________________ Macca "I don't know why but it's the best way to die You are the trigger and my deepest desire I'm losing you, but you will always be mine Promise me now that you will enter my mind" Drain Sth - Enter My Mind

No. That's a matter of fact. Yes, this is a matter of opinion.

"Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:uTTh5.6068$[email hidden]... > I agree, games should be judged in their original release condition, not > after every single feature has been improved by 3d party patches. And GP3 By using this logic one would conclude that Falcon4.0 totally blows. It does not and is the premier flightsim for the PC. All possible because of 3rd party efforts. While I won't say the same for F1 2000's 3rd party efforts because I haven't found a need to use them, I just think you shouldn't immediately dismiss it. Has it occoured to you that GP2 works so well out of the box because so little has changed? I totally expect to to run like the wind on a P3-600. -- [email hidden] > hold together better as an overall product out of the box. > Just one thing though, try deselecting your driver in GP3 so you can just > watch the AI cars race, and see how many times out of 5 all the AI cars get > safely around the first turn at Spa without causing a pile-up.

I agree, games should be judged in their original release condition, not after every single feature has been improved by 3d party patches. And GP3 hold together better as an overall product out of the box. Just one thing though, try deselecting your driver in GP3 so you can just watch the AI cars race, and see how many times out of 5 all the AI cars get safely around the first turn at Spa without causing a pile-up. "Macca" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > GP3 doesnt need third party accesories to make it a reasonable game > > the only reason why f12000 is now a "good" game is because of all the > patches that people made for it to make it reasonable > > reading all the posts here when it first came out, everyone said how > shit it was, i mean crashes on the parade lap come on!!!! how often > does that happen?? once every two years and in extremely wet > conditions. > major first lap carnage as well > > all this got fixed by patches, therefore made it a reasonable game > > the only thing wrong with GP3 is that its the 98 season and not the > current. > > Therefore GP3 is/was a better out of the box game than F12000 > ___________________ > Macca > "I don't know why but it's the best way to die > You are the trigger and my deepest desire > I'm losing you, but you will always be mine > Promise me now that you will enter my mind" > Drain Sth - Enter My Mind

Sure, that's entirely true. By the way, you can make a better judgement as to what has and hasn't changed in GP3 when you've played it. A lot of the comment here about GP3 is extremely exaggerated. And that's on both sides. People saying it's complete shite, other people saying it's the best game ever. They're both wrong, it's obviously somewhere in between. And when people say nothing has changed, again they are exaggerating. I would agree that enough of the important things haven't changed enough and that overall the game is dissapointing by the way. I have tried to like F1 2000, I gave it a good 10 hours play to make sure I wasn't jumping to conclusions. It just didn't light my candle though. "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HKUh5.11703$[email hidden]... > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:uTTh5.6068$[email hidden]... > > I agree, games should be judged in their original release condition, not > > after every single feature has been improved by 3d party patches. AndGP3

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> > By using this logic one would conclude that Falcon4.0 totally blows. > It does not and is the premier flightsim for the PC. All possible because > of 3rd party efforts. While I won't say the same for F1 2000's 3rd > party efforts because I haven't found a need to use them, I just > think you shouldn't immediately dismiss it. > > Has it occoured to you that GP2 works so well out of the box > because so little has changed? I totally expect to to run like > the wind on a P3-600. > > -- > > [email hidden] > > > > > > hold together better as an overall product out of the box. > > Just one thing though, try deselecting your driver in GP3 so you can

just > > watch the AI cars race, and see how many times out of 5 all the AI cars > get > > safely around the first turn at Spa without causing a pile-up. > > >

Of course there's no need to patche GP3 to make it corrected BECAUSE GP3 is GP2 ADDON don't U ? Macca a �crit :

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> GP3 doesnt need third party accesories to make it a reasonable game > > the only reason why f12000 is now a "good" game is because of all the > patches that people made for it to make it reasonable > > reading all the posts here when it first came out, everyone said how > shit it was, i mean crashes on the parade lap come on!!!! how often > does that happen?? once every two years and in extremely wet > conditions. > major first lap carnage as well > > all this got fixed by patches, therefore made it a reasonable game > > the only thing wrong with GP3 is that its the 98 season and not the > current. > > Therefore GP3 is/was a better out of the box game than F12000 > ___________________ > Macca > "I don't know why but it's the best way to die > You are the trigger and my deepest desire > I'm losing you, but you will always be mine > Promise me now that you will enter my mind" > Drain Sth - Enter My Mind

Ok I'll repeat again. Do I have to play GP3 to confirm that SloMo is still part of the game? Or lack of AI computer sounds? Or pit chatter, or total shit online play? Further is it really necessary to play it to realize it is pretty much still GP2? -- [email hidden] "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KNVh5.6238$[email hidden]... > Sure, that's entirely true. By the way, you can make a better judgement as > to what has and hasn't changed in GP3 when you've played it. A lot of the > comment here about GP3 is extremely exaggerated. And that's on both sides. > People saying it's complete shite, other people saying it's the best game > ever. They're both wrong, it's obviously somewhere in between. And when > people say nothing has changed, again they are exaggerating. > > I would agree that enough of the important things haven't changed enough and > that overall the game is dissapointing by the way. > > I have tried to like F1 2000, I gave it a good 10 hours play to make sure I > wasn't jumping to conclusions. It just didn't light my candle though. > > "Greg Cisko" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HKUh5.11703$[email hidden]... > > > > "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:uTTh5.6068$[email hidden]... > > > I agree, games should be judged in their original release condition, not > > > after every single feature has been improved by 3d party patches. And > GP3 > > > > By using this logic one would conclude that Falcon4.0 totally blows. > > It does not and is the premier flightsim for the PC. All possible because > > of 3rd party efforts. While I won't say the same for F1 2000's 3rd > > party efforts because I haven't found a need to use them, I just > > think you shouldn't immediately dismiss it. > > > > Has it occoured to you that GP2 works so well out of the box > > because so little has changed? I totally expect to to run like > > the wind on a P3-600. > > > > -- > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > > > > > > hold together better as an overall product out of the box. > > > Just one thing though, try deselecting your driver in GP3 so you can > just > > > watch the AI cars race, and see how many times out of 5 all the AI cars > > get > > > safely around the first turn at Spa without causing a pile-up. > > > > > > > >

> > Therefore GP3 is/was a better out of the box game than F12000 Now if I didn't know have internet access and know about RAS and sites that discuss add-ons and patches then I would be bothered about this. However, to be posting this I do - so I just care about what is the best racing sim experience I can get now - regardless of what that sim was like on day one. I am all for evolution - official or not Tony

> Ok I'll repeat again. Do I have to play GP3 to confirm that SloMo > is still part of the game? Or lack of AI computer sounds? Or > pit chatter, or total shit online play? No. That's a matter of fact. > Further is it really necessary to play it to realize it is pretty much > still GP2? Yes, this is a matter of opinion.

Or for absolute annoyance the classic "You can do better than that". And for Greg ' Further is it really necessary to play it to realize it is pretty much >> still GP2?' Yes It is because it isn't the same game it has some of the same quirks but the good way exceeds the bad. Regards Mike On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:34:51 GMT, "Simon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Just to answer those specific points. >Shit on-line play only matters if you plan to play the game online. I >don't. >Slowmo only matters if you plan to enter a hotlaps competition. I don't. >The no AI engine sounds thing I have no argument against, it does indeed >suck. >And pit-car radio would have improved the game for sure. > >On that point, I seem to remember in F1 2000 running in first place and >being told by my pit-crew that someone running 15 places behind me was out >of the race, which is pretty dumb. Plus I remember the pit crew tell you >everytime someone hits you who it was. Like you would care, or like they >would even know. > >> Ok I'll repeat again. Do I have to play GP3 to confirm that SloMo >> is still part of the game? Or lack of AI computer sounds? Or >> pit chatter, or total shit online play? >> >> Further is it really necessary to play it to realize it is pretty much >> still GP2? > >

Just to answer those specific points. Shit on-line play only matters if you plan to play the game online. I don't. Slowmo only matters if you plan to enter a hotlaps competition. I don't. The no AI engine sounds thing I have no argument against, it does indeed suck. And pit-car radio would have improved the game for sure. On that point, I seem to remember in F1 2000 running in first place and being told by my pit-crew that someone running 15 places behind me was out of the race, which is pretty dumb. Plus I remember the pit crew tell you everytime someone hits you who it was. Like you would care, or like they would even know. > Ok I'll repeat again. Do I have to play GP3 to confirm that SloMo > is still part of the game? Or lack of AI computer sounds? Or > pit chatter, or total shit online play? > > Further is it really necessary to play it to realize it is pretty much > still GP2?