Is GP3 Worth Buying for a 450MHz, Voodoo 3 System?

I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for work), my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? Thanks, Chris

Sounds like GP3 is not worth buying no matter what system you have. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] --------------------------------------------------- "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cY0i5.73796$[email hidden]... > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for work), > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > Thanks, > Chris > >

Chris Helps <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cY0i5.73796$[email hidden]... > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed forwork), > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > Hell yeah Chris, I'm just on a P2-350 and 16MB voodoo Banshee.... With full detail I can get over 20ftps and PO of less than 100 except on starts as is to be expected. Of course I suppose I'm ignoring and denying the fat that I have a low frame rate aren't i, I'm ashamed:-(

On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:09:11 GMT, "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Sounds like GP3 is not worth buying no matter what system you have. Do you have the game, or are you just going by what everyone says? I have the game and have no problem with it. You must remember that because of the amount of people who greatly anticipated this game and the numbers who bought it, as a matter of course there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. You'll mostly hear from those who are displeased, since those who are not are probably playing and not jabbering. The only issue that I might have with the game is its lack of online play. Haven't even tried to see how well it might work (IPX and Kali)on the net. I'm sorry, but any negative posts that focus mainly on a game's poor graphics or sound-- unless they detract significantly from a game's realism-- are not worth considering. It's really-- in the case GP3-- the physics, realism, replayability, and total enjoyment of the game that concerns me. Everyone's complaining about how you need a huge system to run this game. I have a pII 400, 128 RAM, with a voodoo 3 3000 (AGP)and the game runs just splendidly, even with all stuff on and at 1024, though I prefer to run the game at 800, to improve performance. I do have one question about CPU occupancy. In the readme file it says that running the game over 100% occupancy will take away from the game's realistic play. It also says that you try to tweak the game so that it runs at or below 100%. What is acceptable as far as going below 100%? Thanks, Alanb Alanb

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>If you use a computer just to play games $2000 investment isn't a very good >idea. > >EldredP wrote: > >> In article <[email hidden]>, Mrv <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >Save your money. It is not worth upgrading your computer for Gp2.5. >> > >> >> But, there are OTHER games out there, too... :) >> >> Eldred

Most people don't need a high-end Athlon to balance their checkbook, do term papers, or surf the web. It's ALWAYS been the games that push the envelope. Having said that, I wouldn't spend $2000 on a new computer either. But if I was as rich as some people here purport to be, I might...<g> Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Mrv wrote: > > If you use a computer just to play games $2000 investment isn't a very good > idea. Hmm, to be able to play the games I WANT to play, I just HAVE to buy a PC. It's used for other things, too, but playing all those sims alone would be worth it as well. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

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> I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready > to > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for > work), > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), > as I > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU > occupancy > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > Thanks, > Chris > >

I have a Celery 300@450 with a V3 2000 card @ 175 and 128mb pc100 ram, and I get excellent performance from GP3 at 1000 x 800. I have most graphics on (some off in mirrors) and run at 25fps and the PO stays below 100% most of the time (except at race starts) and goes quite low when on my own on the track (50 to 70%) 8-) *Peter* - http://www.cix.co.uk/~peterpc/home.html

Kevin Anderson wrote: > > Sounds like GP3 is not worth buying no matter what system you have. You're listening to the wrong people then, probably to guys not even having the sim or expecting GP5... after fixing the problem I had with the MSFF, this sim steals the show of any other sim, at least for quite some time. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? |\ _,,,---,,_ I want to die like my Grandfather, ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ in his sleep. |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-' Not like the people in his car, '---''(_/--' `-'\_) screaming their heads off!

Mine is P2-450 with a V3 2000 overclocked to 166Mhz and GP3 runs fine. I have a LWFF wheel and the CPU is around 100 with all the graphics on apart from some mirror textures. I don't know for sure but an MSFF my hog more cpu, depends what you have. Steve Chris Helps wrote in message ... >I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to >shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed forwork),

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>my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I >will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > >Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy >can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > >Thanks, >Chris > >

In article <[email hidden]>, Mrv <[email hidden]> writes: >Save your money. It is not worth upgrading your computer for Gp2.5. > But, there are OTHER games out there, too... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'm running GP3 on a K6-2 300 @ 336 with a V3 2000 and SBLive, so you should be fine. Admittedly I have to drop some detail and run at 800*600 in a race, but it still seems to run OK with Occupancy below 100 except at the start of course. The problems start when you try to race in the wet, which REALLY slows things down. Until I upgrade, I have more or less given up on wet racing :-( Chris Helps wrote:

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> I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for work), > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > Thanks, > Chris

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In article <8ma7b3$1p6$[email hidden]>, "GraDee" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Chris Helps <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cY0i5.73796$[email hidden]... > > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feelready to > > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (neededfor > work), > > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128Mnow), as I > > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy I bought it (but I'm nobody really). It runs great on my PII 450 128mb Voodoo 3000 AGP with SBlive and MS sidewinder USB (non force FB). Its OK for hotlapping on the maximum resolution (which the in game grafix calibration recomends I use) but i prefer to drop down to the second highest resolution for raceing which gives me 130-140% processor occupancy at the start when lots of cars on the grid in front of me,(as usual I am never on pole position)and then drops to 70% occupancy and smooth frame reate usualy by the first bend. the only thing that hogs processor time is the moke effects. If you like winged cars buy it.(its totaly different to GPL and i think the reason may be that it simulates different sort of cars and tracks. GPL is old no downforce cars,which are like the cars we drive everday so we have a decent idea what they should feel like, and modern F1 cars with awesome downforce and super sticky tyres which are exactly the sort of cars myself and 99.9999999999% of other people within this forum have never driven.) And the realistic weather in GP3 is superb (i know what rain looks like) > > > > > > Hell yeah Chris, > I'm just on a P2-350 and 16MB voodoo Banshee.... > With full detail I can get over 20ftps and PO of less than 100 excepton > starts as is to be expected. > > Of course I suppose I'm ignoring and denying the fat that I have alow frame > rate aren't i, I'm ashamed:-( > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cY0i5.73796$[email hidden]... > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed forwork),

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> my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > Thanks, > Chris > >

I don't know about GP3, but take from the voice of experience, most on site warranties arn't worth the paper they are written on. Check it out VERY carefully before paying dime for one of these.

Save your money. It is not worth upgrading your computer for Gp2.5. Chris Helps wrote:

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> I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for work), > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > Thanks, > Chris

I am running GP3 on a celery clocked to 448 with v3 3000, 128mb ram and awe64, its tuff in a race when cars are nearby, but for hotlappin its fine. even at 800x600 PO gets quite high in a race, but hotlappin you can run at 1024 no probs, Martyn_d Chris Helps wrote:

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> I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for work), > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > Thanks, > Chris

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > >I do have one question about CPU occupancy. In the readme file it >says that running the game over 100% occupancy will take away from the >game's realistic play. It also says that you try to tweak the game so >that it runs at or below 100%. What is acceptable as far as going >below 100%? Well, its a lot of personal choice really. The game wont stay at exactly one particular occupancy throughout the whole race. As you pass other cars, or pass bits of complex scenery the occupancy will increase, and similarly if you are driving by yourself on a simple bit of road with little scenery then the occupancy will go lower. If you dont mind the occupancy getting slightly over 100% once or twice a lap then you can run it at an average of 90ish, but if you really hate it ever going over then you can decrease textures and stuff so that it normally runs around 70%ish. As for myself, I need a new computer. A measly 300Mhz machine with 32Mb memory and an el-cheapo $50 video card, and I can barely run the game at all with practically everything taken off.

>Save your money. It is not worth upgrading your computer for Gp2.5. But, there are OTHER games out there, too... :) Eldred -- Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPL hcp. +52.52 Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Woh.....that IS impressive! Just shows how much GP2 is in there!! Not that that is necessarily too much of a bad thing! Ash "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mbjj8$[email hidden]... x-no-archive: yes It's perfectly playable on my K6-200 in software mode (It won't recognise a voodoo1). It looks good enough in 640x480, and I get 15fps with a PO of below 100% most of the time. The PO is unaffected by FF or rain. I can't wait to see what it's like in 1024x768 when I upgrade. R.

If you use a computer just to play games $2000 investment isn't a very good idea. EldredP wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Mrv <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Save your money. It is not worth upgrading your computer for Gp2.5. > > > > But, there are OTHER games out there, too... :) > > Eldred > -- > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPL hcp. +52.52 > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8mbjj8$[email hidden]... >> It's perfectly playable on my K6-200 in software mode (It won't recognise a >> voodoo1). It looks good enough in 640x480, and I get 15fps with a PO of >> below 100% most of the time. The PO is unaffected by FF or rain. >> >> I can't wait to see what it's like in 1024x768 when I upgrade. > > Woh.....that IS impressive! Just shows how much GP2 is in there!! Not that > that is necessarily too much of a bad thing!

bah. you should see it runt 1600x1200 @ 4000FPS on my Palm V. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy"

"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> "Richard S Beckett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8mbjj8$[email hidden]... >> It's perfectly playable on my K6-200 in software mode (It won't recognise a >> voodoo1). It looks good enough in 640x480, and I get 15fps with a PO of >> below 100% most of the time. The PO is unaffected by FF or rain. >> >> I can't wait to see what it's like in 1024x768 when I upgrade. > > Woh.....that IS impressive! Just shows how much GP2 is in there!! Not that > that is necessarily too much of a bad thing!

bah. you should see it run 1600x1200 @ 4000FPS on my Palm V. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a language is a dialect with an army and a navy"

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> > > As for myself, I need a new computer. A measly 300Mhz machine > with 32Mb memory and an el-cheapo $50 video card, and I can > barely run the game at all with practically everything taken > off. >

hey don;t waste your money you only need more ram =64 atleast and TNT 2 or something more current CPU is not that great effect as many test have proven go to annand hardware for more test results

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> > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for work), > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > Thanks, > Chris

I got a PIII-450, Voodoo 3 3000, and got GP3 today. Buy, buy, buy !!!! ;) (1024x768 runs fine with me) -Gregor

I've been spoiled by the 36pfs I get on GPL. I wonder why, with a less complex physics model, GP3 is so much more demanding of system hardware. MY respect for Papy is growing ... I really hope they make a new CART sim. Sky GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8ma7b3$1p6$[email hidden]...

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> > Chris Helps <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cY0i5.73796$[email hidden]... > > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for > work), > > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as

I > > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPUoccupancy

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> > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > > > Hell yeah Chris, > I'm just on a P2-350 and 16MB voodoo Banshee.... > With full detail I can get over 20ftps and PO of less than 100 except on > starts as is to be expected. > > Of course I suppose I'm ignoring and denying the fat that I have a low

frame > rate aren't i, I'm ashamed:-( > >

I use it for my work - I'm a consultant. If I only used it for games, I would just by a new motherboard, but I need that Dell onsite warranty to ensure I don't face much downtime. Sky Mrv <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you use a computer just to play games $2000 investment isn't a verygood > idea. > > EldredP wrote: > > > In article <[email hidden]>, Mrv <[email hidden]>writes:

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> > > > >Save your money. It is not worth upgrading your computer for Gp2.5. > > > > > > > But, there are OTHER games out there, too... :) > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Tiger Stadium R.I.P. 1912-1999 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPL hcp. +52.52 > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

What res are you running, and what frame-rate? Thanks, Sky Steve <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8mbn8d$gt0$[email hidden]...

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> Mine is P2-450 with a V3 2000 overclocked to 166Mhz and GP3 runs fine. I > have a LWFF wheel and the CPU is around 100 with all the graphics on apart > from some mirror textures. I don't know for sure but an MSFF my hog more > cpu, depends what you have. > Steve > > Chris Helps wrote in message ... > >I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > >shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for > work), > >my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > >will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > > >Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy > >can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > > >Thanks, > >Chris > > > > > >

What frame rate? Sky Gregor Veble <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Chris Helps wrote: > > > > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed forwork), > > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), asI > > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPUoccupancy

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> > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > > > Thanks, > > Chris > > I got a PIII-450, Voodoo 3 3000, and got GP3 today. > > Buy, buy, buy !!!! ;) > > (1024x768 runs fine with me) > > -Gregor

I "think" we are missing a vital concept here. GPL runs at 36fps. That is the maximum required to achieve all the input and output functions in a timely and lag free manner. In Gp3...25fps are all that are needed to acheive what that program needs to display and feedback all the info. Now I'm not saying 36fps isn't nice...but if you compare that to the 100+ fps that many players in Quake III get....you may get my point. Sure it would be nice if Gp3 produced more fps, but it isn't necessary to show the full game. Just like GPL doesn't need 100+ fps to show all it's bells and whistles... dave henrie "Chris Helps" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5LMi5.79598$[email hidden]... > I've been spoiled by the 36pfs I get on GPL. I wonder why, with a less > complex physics model, GP3 is so much more demanding of system hardware.MY > respect for Papy is growing ... I really hope they make a new CART sim. > > Sky > > GraDee <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:8ma7b3$1p6$[email hidden]... > > > > Chris Helps <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:cY0i5.73796$[email hidden]... > > > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel readyto > > > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for > > work), > > > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now),as

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> I > > > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > > > > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU > occupancy > > > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > > > > > > Hell yeah Chris, > > I'm just on a P2-350 and 16MB voodoo Banshee.... > > With full detail I can get over 20ftps and PO of less than 100 except on > > starts as is to be expected. > > > > Of course I suppose I'm ignoring and denying the fat that I have a low > frame > > rate aren't i, I'm ashamed:-( > > > > > >

What frame rate? Sky > > I have a P2-450 system with a Voodoo 3 3000 card. Until I feel ready to > > shell out $2000-odd for a new system with onsite warranty (needed for work), > > my only upgrade options would be Voodoo 5 or 256M of RAM (128M now), as I > > will lose my onsite warranty by replacing CPU or MB. > > Is it worth buying GP3 for this setup? What kind of fps and CPU occupancy

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> > can I expect at 1024x768 resolution? > > Thanks, > > Chris > I got a PIII-450, Voodoo 3 3000, and got GP3 today. > Buy, buy, buy !!!! ;) > (1024x768 runs fine with me) > -Gregor